Anti-Islam Dutch politician to headline Madison church event

Wednesday, May 11, 2011 at 10:29pm

A controversial Dutch politician known for his radical views on Islam is the headline speaker Thursday night at an event in Madison organized by the political-right group the Tennessee Freedom Coalition.

Geert Wilders, a Party For Freedom member of the House of Representatives in the Netherlands, is speaking Thursday at Cornerstone Church in Madison as part of an event called “A Warning to America.”

“I don’t hate Muslims,” Wilders is quoted in The Observer as saying. “I hate Islam.

“Islam is not a religion. It’s an ideology, the ideology of a retarded culture.”

Emceed by local right-wing radio personality Steve Gill, the event begins at 7 p.m. Other participants include Professor Sam Solomon, author of books such as “The Mosque Exposed,” and Bill Warner, who runs politicalislam.com.

The executive director of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition is Lou Ann Zelenik, the Murfreesboro businesswoman who lost last year to Diane Black in a heated congressional Republican primary. A Tea Party follower, Zelenik is an ardent opponent of the construction of an Islamic community center planned for Rutherford County.

Many publications overseas call Wilders –– known for his populist, firebrand style –– a potential Dutch prime minister candidate. 

According to an invitation posted on Tennessee Freedom Coalition’s website, Wilders has been “outspoken in his warnings to the West about the dangers of ‘Islamisation’ creeping across the continent.”

“Islam deprives Muslims of their freedom,” Wilders’ most recent entry on his website reads. “That is a shame, because free people are capable of great things, as history has shown. The Arab, Turkish, Iranian, Indian, Indonesian peoples have tremendous potential.

“It they were not captives of Islam, if they could liberate themselves from the yoke of Islam, if they would cease to take Muhammad as a role model and if they got rid of the evil Koran, they would be able to achieve great things which would benefit not only them but the entire world.”     

100 Comments on this post:

By: Radix on 5/12/11 at 8:49

OK Lou, let me see if I get it now....

You don't agree with their opinions, therefore they are like Hitler and tolerance need not be applied.

Probably free speech doesn't apply either? LOL give it up.

By: Radix on 5/12/11 at 8:51

Stop the H8 Inglewierd!!

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 8:52

{Islam IS a political movement with very oppressive aims; yet western liberals aren't smart enough (or are either too smart) to realize that our system is worth keeping.}

At the expense of ignoring it.

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 8:55

Like I said radi, you would support Hitler in in his speech, actions and results. Given that we should learn from history, why haven't you? Again, explore the meanings of tolerance and free speech. The education will do you good.

By: Radix on 5/12/11 at 8:58

Loner said: "I am intolerant of intolerance, Radix, in that sense, yes, I am intolerant...but, I do not accuse "everyone else" of being intolerant, just those who are unjustifiably intolerant."

If "Unjustifiably" is code for "things I disagree with" that sounds about right.

Isn't someone speaking out against radical islam justified in doing so? Radical islam is more than hate speech, its dangerous. It seeks to kill.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 8:58

Oh... reading on and there comes the race card, augmented with claims of hate and intolerance. The trump cards of political correctness are being played again. The old stand-by of a narrow world view that sees anyone who disagrees with them as a racist bigot... or worse people just using the tack because it's been so effective.

I'm just curious. Beside this cannon of racists accusations what else is in your arsenals? Can we get past this intellectually indolent tactic of labeling everyone you disagree with as a racist bigot and come up with something fresh?

By: Ingleweird on 5/12/11 at 9:01

Radix:
I know you are but what am I? I'm not the hater, you are! Is this your best defense? Weak. The foundations of your arguments were built on top of quicksand.

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:03

{Radix on 5/12/11 at 9:51

Stop the H8 Inglewierd!!}

Unless it is sponsored by cornerstone church.

By: Radix on 5/12/11 at 9:04

No Lou, Hitler should not have been 'tolerated'

Let me ask you this,

1. Radical Islam seeks to kill infidels.
2. A church in Madison has a speaker to talk about the dangers of radical islam.

Which one is worthy of the 'Lou's Hitler Tolerance Exemption' 1 or 2?

I am going with 1. Radical islam need not be tolerated. The church and the speaker should tolerated, they are expressing their opinions verbally.

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:05

{Can we get past this intellectually indolent tactic of labeling everyone you disagree with as a racist bigot and come up with something fresh?}

Religious?

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:06

Wrong radi, neither should be tolerated because they both do the same damn thing, and THAT is the point.

By: Radix on 5/12/11 at 9:12

Inglewerd said: "You are a religious zealot. I have no tolerance for political/religious activism from tax-exempt entities."

Like Unions? I'm guessing you're OK with that... they even give millions to politicians. I bet more than churches do.
How is Christianity going to take over our Western culture? It become less and less a part since the inception of the country.

By: budlight on 5/12/11 at 9:12

Radix on 5/12/11 at 9:16
Ingleweird, I know your definition of 'tolerance' means putting up with anything you support. And your definition of hate is what people do when they disagree with YOU.

Note how you slam Christianity and BudLight in the same post you talk about tolerance? QED. The opposite of hate is love. Which one are you doing?

Radix, you got it. "They", the know-it-alls, on this post only tolerate what THEY agree with. However, they call us intolerent. How strange is that?

I would like for "them" to tell me exactly what is right with radical islam? IF you are a Christian in Egypt, the radical muslims executee you. How is that peaceful? Loner, your court!

By: Loner on 5/12/11 at 9:13

Roger that, Houston. The Flying Dutchman of Hate, Geert Wilders, must be here, in the states, to raise cash and to burnish his "foreign relations experience" credentials at home...I expect he has a book out there and another forthcoming.

In my view, humankind needs to liberate itself from all organized religion; as a civilizing influence, it is highly over-rated.

I agree, however, Islam has been debilitating, for the cultures that were over-run by the armies of the prophet. Islam is theocratic by nature and that tends to stifle democratic reforms.

Christianity steam-rolled the pagan beliefs of our Western European ancestors. We lost touch with our own spiritual roots.

Christian colonialism has been catastrophic for the native populations in Africa and the New World.

Zionism, that is the creation pf a Jewish state in Palestine, has been disastrous for the Muslim and Christian Arabs of Palestine. The Holocaust survivors became the perps. The dispossessed Arabs became the "terrorists".

Muslim vs Hindu violence is a time-honored tradition.

Protestants vs Catholics is another time-honored conflict, one that still smolders.

Religion has done more harm than good, in my view. Time to give it a rest.

By: Loner on 5/12/11 at 9:19

Ben Dover chafes at the label: "Can we get past this intellectually indolent tactic of labeling everyone you disagree with as a racist bigot and come up with something fresh?"

OK... "racist bigot" is out. How about "bigoted racist"?

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:19

{How is Christianity going to take over our Western culture? It become less and less a part since the inception of the country.}

Now, THAT is funny!

By: Radix on 5/12/11 at 9:19

"By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 10:06
Wrong radi, neither should be tolerated because they both do the same damn thing, and THAT is the point."

So you are intolerant of churches and their speaker who warns about radical islam, because they are the same as islamic terrorists and Hitler, and don't deserve your tolerance. I rest my case.

By: Loner on 5/12/11 at 9:20

A racist bigot walks into a bigoted racist bar...

By: budlight on 5/12/11 at 9:23

Instead of being on this site condemning me and Yogi, you do-gooders, goodie two shoes need to be out searching for little Waylan Snipes - or 4 month old Kaylee:

"Waylan Snipes was last seen wearing gray pajama pants with red fire trucks, white socks and a diaper. Anyone with information about the whereabouts of Waylan Snipes should call the TBI at 1-800-TBI-FIND or the Florida Department of Law Enforcement at 850-638-6066 or 850-638-6068."

Get a move on it, folks. These baby nappings are serious. So many of them lately. Are these people nuts, or what?

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:28

good idea bud, why don't you get out there and lead the way.

By: Loner on 5/12/11 at 9:29

So, Bud, you are posting from a cellphone, in a mosquito-infested swamp, looking for missing white kids? Or are you suggesting that others do that?

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:31

Your case, radi, is easy for all to see. Thanks for letting us know exactly what kind of person you are, what you believe, and what you teach.

By: sjr-go on 5/12/11 at 9:31

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:38
All religion is a drug, you tool. I am sure this guy "feels" it is his duty to "liberate" all religions from what they are, to what he wants them to be. I wonder how much cornerstone is paying him to speak here?"

From what I understand he has no affiliation with Cornerstone at all. He does not even proclaim to be a Christian. He is a politician.

By: Ingleweird on 5/12/11 at 9:35

@Radix and budlight:
The US Constitution guarantees the right of AMERICANS to practice whatever religion they choose, without stipulation. Please name one AMERICAN Muslim organization that advocates killing infidels; they are still subject to our laws and due process and are still technically innocent, unless proven otherwise. How we deal with our terrorist enemies abroad is a whole 'nother beast.

Well, I must be off; fantasy and fairy tales must take a back seat to reality and work.

Athena could take on your virgin-born-zombie-man-god any day. :P

By: JeffF on 5/12/11 at 9:39

I am stunned that there are so many people willing to stand up for a religion that wrote the book on being anti-gay, anti-woman, and generally anti-freedom. Yet the hatred these people have for the people practicing the religion they see everyday in their own country causes them to support something far, far, far worse.

Put this way:

- Islamic clergy are torturing and executing gay men and women in many coutries still today.

- Islamic clergy are still leading men to kill their own daughters in the name of Islam, even here in the U.S. and in Western Europe

- People are executed under Islamic teachings for crimes barely rising to the level of minor in Western Culture

- Islamic clergy have moved to stifle freedom of expression and speech in their countries and in Western countries and have killed people in order to gain this control

-Islamic clergy are sitting in prisons for having their followers kill innocent people in dozens of "civilized" countries including this one.

I know the Christianity has had its historical shameful moments, but does one use that history as a logical reason to stand up for a religion doing very, very bad things to other people are a grander scale, especially since they are in direct opposition to your belief structure. This makes no sense. You are standing up for hate and evil because people you disagree with, who have personally done things far less worse, are standing on their own principals. This is insane.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 9:40

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 10:19

{How is Christianity going to take over our Western culture? It become less and less a part since the inception of the country.}

Now, THAT is funny!

Revo... your world-view is astonishing. The level of confirmation bias that is necessary to see rise of Kenneth Copeland or Pat Robertson as illustrative of a world succumbing to feverent christianism yet being able to ignore the fact that the bible and the New England Primer used to be the normal teaching tools for all children in this country… wow… there’s some clinical delusion going on there.

God has been pushed out of our schools and out of every public institution in the country by the ACLU and others; yet you see a blanket of wild-eyed evangelicals fighting to destroy everything you hold dear (which is really nothing in your critical-theory warped existence). And while your eye is on that slow-pitched softball of Christianity you don’t gaze up to see the mile wide meteor of Islam is crashing toward the stadium of Western Culture.

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 9:53

{From what I understand he has no affiliation with Cornerstone at all. He does not even proclaim to be a Christian. He is a politician.}

Yes, from what I understand Dutch politicians are indiscriminately calling numbers in America and requesting a time to come and deliver a message.

By: Loner on 5/12/11 at 9:56

Jeff, do not count me in with the defenders of Islam, or any other faith. Realistically, we will not reform them by bombing them, quite the opposite, we are bombing them into fundamentalism.

I once stood on a principal, they suspended me from school..."principal abuse".

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By: gdiafante on 5/12/11 at 9:58

Imagine no religion, it's easy if you try...no Hell below us, above us only sky...

"the mile wide meteor of Islam is crashing toward the stadium of Western Culture."

So Ben really does think the sky is falling. It's strange that you have no faith that your beliefs will prevail.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 10:10

My beliefs will prevail. I'm worried about the rest of western society.

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 10:12

Wow, ben that is a post full of metaphors. Very impressive.

Now, I am sure that if you will note my many previous post, I have taken the position many times over, that all religion is, shall we say, bunk. Our constitution gives us the right to believe, of that which we cannot explain, a magical view of the cosmos. It also protects all of us from whatever it is you DO believe. Has worked very well so far, with some minor tweaking and prudent application from the judiciary side of our government, as intended. As I have stated before, there is no reason to think that it won’t continue along that course.

So, the removal of “god” from where it should not be is keeping with the very ideals that founded this country. That it is still trying to be plied, in the form of anti-gay legislation for example, is evident of the overreach of religion and that of which I protest against.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 10:20

The liberals in Western Europe were all for unchecked multi-culturalism. What they discovered though, and now vehemently admit, is that it doesn't work. We ignore their example at our own peril.

The indigenous French will be a political minority to the wave of Islam in their country in the next 10 to 15 years based on unchecked immigration without any nationalistic allegiance and due to the fact that they are being out bred 3 to 1.

What the media doesn't report due to political correctness is that those youth that keep on rioting over there are Muslim youths. Ironically liberalism is allowing their country to be destroyed by a culture that will abolish liberalism... as I said... 'first against the wall'.

Anyway, stick your heads in the sand. Or if you are unaware of what's sweeping Western Europe and is threatening the same in America then you probably are not going to hurt yourself by checking out this free forum on Radical Islam.

But allowing the libs to continue to shout everyone down by saying 'STFU you racist bigots!' is really not the smart way to proceed in all of this.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 10:26

The first amendment protected the people and their churches from the government revo... not the other way around. It was written based on the experience of the political malfeasance of the Church of England where the King affected his policy through the church. The ‘separation’ argument, imho, has been exploited for government gain in insulating itself from a Christian population as well as by the Frankfurt school’s influence on the population at large in its quest to advance an doctrine of Marxism incompatible with our American society as founded.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 10:29

Not knowing you are the fruit of that Frankfurt seed is very common affliction, revo.

By: sjr-go on 5/12/11 at 10:45

Obviously a lot of people need to go to this event to find out WHAT exactly it is about instead of spouting off and assuming.... DUH.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 10:49

"It's not that liberals are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 10:52

The first amendment keeps them separate from each other, and that is a good thing, and the proper thing.

I am well aware of my origins ben, thank you

By: gdiafante on 5/12/11 at 11:39

Did Reagan say that before or after he forgot about Iran Contra?

By: brrrrk on 5/12/11 at 12:30

BenDover said

"It's not that liberals are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan

From the man who created the myth of the Cadillac driving welfare queen, who by the way was never found.

By: BenDover on 5/12/11 at 12:32

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

As I stated… it protects the church from the government not the other way around. Your contention seems to be this says that people can't assemble in churches to petition the government for a redress of grievances. I don’t disagree that this is the current interpretation I simply state that the current interpretation is demonstrably incorrect. The mental gymnastics and contortion to get from the text to your position is Circ de Soleil worthy. The fact is, as is often the case, that the courts and legislature have interpreted the constitution and passed laws with the interest of protecting the government from the citizenry and not the other way around.

By: brrrrk on 5/12/11 at 12:32

gdiafante said

"Did Reagan say that before or after he forgot about Iran Contra?"

As I recall, he said he "couldn't remember" 116 times while testifying before Congress.

By: budlight on 5/12/11 at 12:33

JeffF on 5/12/11 at 10:39
I am stunned that there are so many people willing to stand up for a religion that wrote the book on being anti-gay, anti-woman, and generally anti-freedom. Yet the hatred these people have for the people practicing the religion they see everyday in their own country causes them to support something far, far, far worse.

Put this way:

- Islamic clergy are torturing and executing gay men and women in many coutries still today.

Jeff, google Emam at vanderbilt punish gays and you'll be shocked to see that the emam believes they should be hanged. Is that hate? Or what?

By: brrrrk on 5/12/11 at 12:39

budlight said

"Put this way:

- Islamic clergy are torturing and executing gay men and women in many coutries still today."

And the pro-Christian country of Uganda, which by the way is heavily connected to and influenced by the American based Christian group "The Family" (of which our own Zach Wamp is a member), is about to pass a law that would make being gay a crime punishable by death, and the crime of knowing someone gay and not reporting it a crime punishable by life imprisonment.

By: brrrrk on 5/12/11 at 1:25

And speaking of "The Family", it turns out that the Senate Ethics Committee found that family member John Ensign has been guilty of lying to the FEC, violating campaign finance laws, and obstructing a Senate investigation. Typical uber Christian hypocrisy... do as I say, not as I do.

John Ensign Lied To FEC, Violated Campaign Finance Laws, Obstructed Investigation: Senate Ethics Panel

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/john-ensign-lied-to-fec-o_n_861202.html

By: JeffF on 5/12/11 at 2:07

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

By: revo-lou on 5/12/11 at 3:48

The only thing I hate is people that aren't what they say they are.

And ben, the constitution was set up to protect both the people and the government from each other. If the government cannot force a religion onto the people, transversely, the government cannot be made up of religious laws, that would then be implemented onto the people. Surely you can understand that.

By: Nitzche on 5/12/11 at 4:27

radical views of islam? blowing yourself and everybody else in the name of your religion, now that is radical! pointing out the obvious, that is simple...oh, now the simple has become complicated?

By: Loner on 5/12/11 at 4:29

Back from a great ride...the old thumper was pumping out the torque...barking and farting, like a true savage...the Super Trap megaphone let's the mill breathe, but she backfires, if you rev too high between shifts...gets the deer moving at night, hopefully AWAY from the road.

Once again, Doctor Dover missed the point about the separation between matters of state and church matters; he thinks that the purpose of the Establishment Clause (1st Amendment) was to keep government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government...sort of like a semi-permeable membrane, religion could flow into government , but government could not flow into religion . Selective osmosis, I suppose.

Of course, Ben's position is erroneous and unsubstantiated BS...pulpit droppings, if you will.

Ben does not seem to mind the fact that the Faith Based Initiative has been beefed up and expanded under the Obama regime...other people's money is being used to finance church ministries, the government is now acting as the collector of church offerings...but Ben is not outraged by that.

Churches and temples are tax exempt; no taxation means no representation...in theory. That's on the domestic side of the "Establishment" issue.

Oddly enough, US policy concerning taxpayer-funded establishment of religion in other countries is altogether different. Example: The Israelis pay nothing in US taxation, but they command near unanimous representation in the US Congress and they are the number one recipient of US foreign aid. The Jewish state in Palestine is a special case situation, in which the US Constitution and the normal paradigm of self-interest, economics, taxation and representation do not apply....or so they tell me.

But Ben Dover, the American patriot, has no problem with Israeli representation, without US taxation.

Ben Dover, a professed Christian and vocal opponent of "socialized medicine", is not outraged over the state-sponsored Israeli abortion mills.

Like I said, the normal paradigm does not apply, when we are talking about Zionism - the Jewish state in Palestine. I reject this dangerous and illogical double standard.

By: slzy on 5/12/11 at 5:34

there is a site BNI or Bare Naked Islam that has a new video of a Buddhist family all beheaded to include a 9 year old boy,except those they slowly strangled by hanging them with their toes touching the ground.

It was good to see our gov't. admit that Pakistan is not our friend.

One step at a time to get over denial eventually they will understand Islam is at war with all other cultures and religons.

Buddhistsin Thailand Hindus in India,Jews where ever they are Christians by extension of the Jews,and even the Godless atheist marxist-lenninists.

You can only make so many people mad,and the Muslims are fast reaching a tipping point of which they may not return.

By: GUARDIAN on 5/13/11 at 1:46

GUARDIAN- I think it was Andy Jackson who once said "Nothing like a set of dueling pistols to cause evil men to change their ways". I think Andy was right so lets bring back dueling. Mr. dishonorable discharge would you want an evening date or are you an early morning kind of fool. :) Islam "IS NOT A RELIGION" it's a way of life just like the life of a Nazi. They live to convert, enslave or kill and the Jews are #1 on their evil hit list. The rest of you are #2 sooner or later unless you are ready to change your Name to Hussein or Muhammad or whatever. Now the left will poopoo this statement because the communist are using the islamic muslims but the reality is the islamic muslims are using them because they are soooo dumb.