Council members question fairgrounds deal process

Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 11:30pm

Metro Councilman Jamie Hollin tossed back a bag of popcorn Tuesday night expecting fireworks as the council held a special meeting to discuss the hotly contentious Metro-owned fairgrounds.

Though the two-and-a-half-hour gathering lacked the punch some had anticipated, the meeting had its moments, with a handful of council skeptics decrying the origins of Mayor Karl Dean’s fairgrounds redevelopment plans and the process by which those plans have been carried out.

As a backdrop to the meeting were two competing bills: One, introduced by Dean and his administration, outlines a set of leases that would enable flea market and other expo center events to relocate to Hickory Hollow Mall in Antioch. The other, filed by Councilman Duane Dominy, seeks to preserve the Metro-owned fairgrounds until a new location for a state fair is landed. The council will consider both in the coming weeks.

Councilwoman Emily Evans offered the most curious line of attack last night when she referenced Metro Finance Director Richard Riebeling’s former role as a commissioner on the fair board during portions of the Phil Bredesen and Bill Purcell administrations.

Evans, who said she’s unsure how she’ll vote on the Hickory Hollow leases, pointed out that the fair board back then also bandied around the idea of redeveloping the fairgrounds. She asked Rebieling what happened to that proposal.

“I believe that the administration at that time was not interested in pursing that,” Riebeling said.

“So, you’ve been carrying the torch for a few years?” Evans shot back.

“I don’t think that’s the case,” Riebeling said. “But your words, not mine. Sometimes we should just do the right thing.”

Councilman Mike Jameson delivered another noteworthy moment when he seemingly alleged Metro Public Works Director Billy Lynch had been asked to contact council members and say continued services within their districts were dependent on their voting for the Hickory Hollow bill. Jameson said Lynch called him last week and asked for his stance on the fairgrounds issue.

“You don’t need to go there,” Jameson said. “Had it just been me, I would have chalked it up as just idle conversation. But, in talking to some of my colleagues on the council floor –– none of whom I will name –– but all of whom said they got the call and started getting arms twisted and references to yellow trucks in their district. That doesn’t need to happen.

“I know the public works director,” Jameson added. “He’s a phenomenal public servant. I know he doesn’t do this out of his own volition. I know he follows orders.”

Jameson requested Councilwoman Vivian Wilhoite, who chairs the council’s Codes, Fair and Farmers Market Committee, ask Lynch for any vote tally list that he may have obtained.

Contacted following the meeting by The City Paper, Lynch said he had called Jameson regarding another matter and asked him about his fairgrounds stance out of curiosity.

“I’m a lifelong resident and taxpayer,” Lynch said. “I just think it’s a good deal, and I was asking out of curiosity where he stood.”

The bulk of Tuesday night’s meeting saw fair and Metro officials again spell out the dire financial situation of the fairgrounds and explain the opportunities that could be had by moving certain events to Hickory Hollow, leaving the fairgrounds as property to be redeveloped.

Fair board chair James Weaver said revenues at the fairgrounds, which operates as an enterprise fund, have been flat or slightly declining during the last 10 years. At the same time, he said expenditures have increased as a result of inflation. Weaver also alluded to Minnesota-based Markin Consulting’s 2007 report that said the 117-acre fairgrounds property isn’t optimal to hold a state fair.

“We were faced with the situation where we didn’t believe it was fiscally responsible to continue to do what we were doing,” Weaver said. “We didn’t believe it was responsible for us to continue to operate the fairgrounds until our reserves were just complexly gone and then come in here in March of some year with our hat in our hand and ask this council to fund the fairgrounds. We just simply as a board were not willing to do that.”

Buck Dozier, executive director of the Tennessee State Fair, said he anticipates the new expo center at Hickory Hollow Mall will generate $2.5 million in revenues by its third year of operations. Expenditures, he said, would be slightly below that figure.

Dozier dismissed the notion that all expo center vendors are reluctant to make the move from Nolensville Pike to Antioch. “That just isn’t true,” Dozier said.

Alexia Poe, the mayor’s office director of economic and community development, cited a recently drafted Nashville Area Chamber of Commerce report that claims retrofitting the fairgrounds property to suit 1 million square feet of Class A office space could generate 6,500 new jobs and $2.5 billion in economic activity. Poe said Davidson County currently has a scarcity of properties to compete with surrounding counties for corporate relocations.

“Over the past 10 years, we’ve seen tremendous growth in Middle Tennessee, but most of our growth has been in contiguous counties,” Poe said. “We are lacking attractive sites for economic development projects.”

 

58 Comments on this post:

By: karlwithak on 11/10/10 at 5:42

Councilman Mike Jameson delivered another noteworthy moment when he seemingly alleged Metro Public Works Director Billy Lynch had been asked to contact council members and say continued strong services within their districts was dependent on their voting for the Hickory Hollow bill. Jameson said Lynch called him last week and asked for his stance on the fairgrounds issue.

“You don’t need to go there,” Jameson said. “Had it just been me, I would have chalked it up as just idle conversation. But, in talking to some of my colleagues on the council floor –– none of whom I will name –– but all of whom said they got the call and started getting arms twisted and references to yellow trucks in their district. That doesn’t need to happen.

“I know the public works director,” Jameson added. “He’s a phenomenal public servant. “I know he doesn’t do this out of his own volition. I know he follows orders.”

Jameson requested Councilwoman Vivian Wilhoite, who chairs the council’s Codes, Fair and Farmers Market Committee, ask Lynch for any vote tally list that he may have obtained.

Contacted following the meeting by The City Paper, Lynch said he had called Jameson regarding another matter and asked him about his fairgrounds stance out of curiosity.

“I’m a lifelong resident and taxpayer,” Lynch said. “I just think it’s a good deal, and I was asking out of curiosity where he stood.”

Been saying for months, This is how dean works.

The fight is coming, and dean will see a different nashville than he saw when he strongarmed that billion dollar boondoggle.

He's dealing with rednecks that don't do business with the city and don't care about telling him he's a crook and we're proving it.

By: relliott on 11/10/10 at 5:49

Remember it's King Carls way or no way.

By: producer2 on 11/10/10 at 7:30

Seems it's politics as usual if you ask me. What the Council really needs is new blood and citizens who do not have a political agenda as their reason to be a Council member. There are far too many Council Members whose sole purpose is to get another Metro/Government job or appointment. It's a simple equation, you are either pro-business or you are not. Facts don't lie and the transparency with which some Council members make their arguments and decisions is laughable. Not unlike Washington.........

By: left on 11/10/10 at 7:53

How about using the fairgrounds for flea markets,fairs,expos,and races. The cost would be minimal since it already set up for this dumbASSES. The city has plenty of office space open for new business. The problem, NO NEW BUSINESS DUMBASS. So, don't be spending anymore money and leave things alone. If you want , buy Tennessee products and help us!

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 7:57

IMO This is a ploy by the majority of council members, to try and regain the confidence of the voters. When it comes to the vote, they will follow Karl's orders and vote his way, come hell or high water, just like on his White Elephant, ego boosting MCC.

It would be encouraging, if this once they would listen to the voice of the voters, that put them in office.

HH is a joke for activities now carried on at the Fairgrounds! Instead of putting that money into a private owned property, spend it on the Fairground's area ALREADY owned. Council "take care of your own areas, before padding the pockets of outsiders".

By: MAmom on 11/10/10 at 8:01

The story says: "Emily Evans offered the most curious line of attack last night when she referenced Metro Finance Director Richard Riebeling’s former role as a commissioner on the fair board during portions of the Phil Bredesen and Bill Purcell administrations."

Metro Finance Director Richard Riebeling has been the one constant on the "sell the fairgrounds" front. Denied before, he wants his way now. And regarding his comment "Sometimes we should just do the right thing.” His definition of the "right thing" is not the same of thousands of Nashvillians who have signed the petitions to save the fairgrounds.

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Emily Evans also, very politely, caught several of the Mayor's people in "inconsistencies" (i.e.: lies) towards the end of the meeting.

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The story says: "Dozier dismissed the notion that all expo center vendors are reluctant to make the move from Nolensville Pike to Antioch. “That just isn’t true,” Dozier said."

Who the heck is he talking to? I know many vendors out there. Every one I have spoken to HATE the idea of going to the Hickory Hollow location. Others will try the location because they have no other choice; but several will not go at all.

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The story says: "Fair board chair James Weaver said revenues at the fairgrounds, which operates as an enterprise fund, have been flat or slightly declining during the last 10 years. At the same time, he said expenditures have increased as a result of inflation."

So even with terrible management and lousy marketing the Fairgrounds revenues are really not down so much. Expenses are the culprit. And per Weaver "Expenses have increased as a result of inflation." WRONG! Expenses are up in their financials because they've been engineered to be higher. The financials are prepared by the guy who wants to "redevelop" the fairgrounds (Riebeling and his people). The higher expenses consist of allocated costs from the Mayor & Legal departments, economic studies and "public" meetings expenses to discuss the Fairgrounds fate, and "Personal" expenses of millions of dollars. Had responsible stewards been in charge of the fairgrounds - expenditures would not have been up.

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Weaver also said: “We were faced with the situation where we didn’t believe it was fiscally responsible to continue to do what we were doing,”

FROM THE EXPENSE SIDE: How can moving operations to a failed mall, obligating the city for millions of dollars in lease debt be fiscally responsible? FROM THE REVENUE SIDE: Weaver, Dean and Reibeling also Assume that revenues will be flat... that they will be the same as at the current location. That is a pretty self-serving and optimistic assumption on their part. Especially since many shows, vendors and customers have indicated they will not go to Hickory Hollow.

Dean and his cronies want to steal the property - have created this "financial crisis" to justify their plans - despite potential legal obstacles.

Unamed business interests mean more to Dean than Nashvillians do.

By: Community-carl-... on 11/10/10 at 8:17

Karl Dean and Rich Riebeling are sneaky, manipulative, and ruthless individuals who will stop at nothing to promote their personal agendas....

The sooner they are both gone, the better.

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 8:32

Everybody seems to see thru the scam except Producer2. Guess he thinks, this move, like the MCC could feather his own nest. Damn the public, I want MINE!

By: Hotshoe17 on 11/10/10 at 8:32

Stan H.
Spruse up the current Fairgrounds and use it like it was intended. Nobody wants to go to Hickory Hollow, nobody. And send Karl Dean back to Massachussetts and elect a "Nashville Born and Raised Boy" to be Mayor instead of an outsider.
Then everything will be fine.

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 8:33

Time for 117acres, who actually represents .17 acres, to chime in!

By: producer2 on 11/10/10 at 8:37

bfra,
I don't think that the couple dozen or so of us discussing things in this forum is a true indication of how the overall voter feels in Davidson County. That is reflected by who they elect to office. Everyone has an opinion, you have stated yours and I have stated mine. Just because I happen to agree with a lot of what this administration is doing doesn't make me evil (except in your eyes) It actually makes me more in step with what the populous is thinking and will remain so until next summer when my guess is Mayor Dean gets re-elected.

By: MAmom on 11/10/10 at 8:45

Not just a couple dozen or so of us like producer2 says.

Over 60,000 people have signed Save the Fairgrounds petitions. Plus there are many others - those who did not get a chance to sign the petition - who also want to save the Fairgrounds.

Yet others who do not want Nashville obligated to pay for a multi-million dollar lease of Hickory Hollow space.

The public will remember how Dean and the Council members handle this issue.

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 8:47

producer2 - It actually makes me more in step with what the populous is thinking and will remain so until next summer when my guess is Mayor Dean gets re-elected.
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Joke, right? Who made you an authority on the populous? You are in the producing business and think this will better your connections & business. If Karl is re-elected, that will show voters to be dumber than I think they are. Guess you think they can be snowed, again!

By: producer2 on 11/10/10 at 8:49

There are over 600,000 folks in Davidson County. I never said that there are no supporters of this facility, I am saying that accusing the administration of not caring about Nashville is silly. Not everyone agrees with how to do things but I am pretty sure the Mayor is not doing this just to make you angry.

By: nashtnman on 11/10/10 at 9:01

Dean is in so many pockets they should call him "dick".

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 9:03

I did not vote for Karl (too sissified), in the election and I don't recall anything in his campaign, about selling Nashville to the highest bidder, just what he has done and is trying to do everyday.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 11/10/10 at 9:07

No Producer2 he's not trying to make us angry he just thinks we are more stupid then we really are. Politicians like Dean will try to push for what they want until the citizens push back, then if they think that the risks are greater then the rewards they will lay back and wait until the landscape is more agreeable or the people are asleep to try again. There's real money under the table here, now or down the line. Kickbacks, future employment or contracts as yet signed but agreed to in principle are what drives these issues not some idea of "whats good for Nashville". The Chamber of Commerce should be ashamed of it's self, if I was still a member I would quit all over again. The Mayors efforts to use Metro employee's to push his agenda is reprehensible, it smacks of old Chicago or maybe current Memphis. The citizens of Nashville should be appalled at this blatant display of unbridled power.

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 9:27

producer2 is looking out for his own best interest, just don't try to convince others, he is interested in what is best for the City.

By: GUARDIAN on 11/10/10 at 9:59

GUARDIAN- I'm sure glad I don't live in Nashville and I don't have Karl Dean for a mayor. I would feel like a obummer voter. BUT that wouldn't happen to me. I vote for people who listen too the people, I don't vote for progressives and I would of voted for the best man for the job of mayor, Bob Clement.

By: soco32 on 11/10/10 at 10:16

I don't trust Dean for a second. He said that by building this new "shrine to himself" convention center that a medical market could be built on top of the old one bringing millions of revenue and hundreds of jobs. Then last week there is a news story saying how the project has not moved forward because there are no vendors due to them doubting the success of the market. Dean is a liar and manipulative. If he tears down the fairgrounds, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens. $1.5 Billion dollars and thousands of jobs....come on. I think his nose just grew past us down here in Franklin. You can make people twist numbers to your favor easily and this is what he has done to lie to the public. There is alot more that can be done with 117 acres that the public would be happy with that includes keeping the races, flee market, gun/knife shows, expos, etc. Maybe if some money was put into making the fairgrounds better and have more utility, it would bring more money to the city. For anyone that believes the city is about to bring in $1.5 billion plus thousnads of jobs, you've been lied to.

By: airvols on 11/10/10 at 10:27

Moving right along, done deal! NEXT!

By: orangey on 11/10/10 at 10:41

Like it or not, change is coming to the fairgrounds and HH mall. Get over it. Let's work to make sure the fairgrounds property is redeveloped into something Nashville will be proud of and generate much needed property and sales tax revenue while creating new jobs. Same goes for the HH expo center. Right now neither location is somewhere you'd take visitors to see. Kudos to Mayor Dean for his leadership in making Nashville a great place to live.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 11/10/10 at 10:55

AHH, we finally hear from the house flippers around Nolensville Rd. Has 117_acres changed his handle? Or maybe I should say, Hi, Mr. Riebelling!

By: Activate on 11/10/10 at 11:04

Dean isn't trying to make Nashville a great place to live, he's trying to make it a great place to VISIT. There's a real big difference. For example, a great place to live should have a good public education system, whereas a great place to visit has hotels, bars and a new convention center...

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 11:05

judyboodo - They just had to put 2 cents worth in. Too many people posting here that see what a scam Karl is trying to pull.

By: Community-carl-... on 11/10/10 at 11:35

If Dean put as much effort into modernizing, upgrading, and promoting the existing fairgrounds as he has put into doing away with it, the end result would be far better stewardship of public funds while keeping a historically important venue in a location preferred by the people who use it, not to mention increased profitability and revenue for the city.

Moving the fairground activities to Hickory Hollow Mall will result in far greater expense to taxpayers, and it will wither away at that location. Many current vendors have already stated that they are not willing to relocate to Hickory Hollow. The hard truth is, Hickory Hollow Mall is dying from many of the same issues that ruined Fountain Square....retailers and vendors simply cannot survive where rampant theft and shoplifting prevent any hope of profitability. Current fairground activities will die there.

Sooner or later, the media, that seems to adore Dean, is going to catch on to what sort of person he really is. I also believe that some of the Metro Council persons are starting to realize that his vision for Nashville is at odds with the character of the city that most local citizens are comfortable and happy with. Dean is just using Nashville as a stepping stone to impress overly liberal progressives in his quest for higher political aspirations. If we don't stand up to the man, we and our children are going to be left holding a tremendous bag of debt while he waltzes out the door with his over-sized ego intact.

By: 117_acres on 11/10/10 at 11:50

Sour Grapes defined as a denial of the desirability of something after one has found out that it cannot be reached or acquired.

By: racer84 on 11/10/10 at 12:33

Enjoy your sour grapes Fred

By: NewYorker1 on 11/10/10 at 1:30

I hope they put a Neiman Marcus at the fairgrounds.

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 2:13

Up date on Karl/Dozier flea market move:

Metro plans to start charg­ing admis­sion to the monthly flea mar­ket if it moves from the Ten­nessee State Fair­grounds to Hick­ory Hol­low Mall, fair­grounds direc­tor Buck Dozier said.

Instead of charg­ing $4 per vehi­cle for park­ing on Sat­ur­days and Sun­days — Fri­days have been free — the city would charge $4 per per­son for admis­sion to help cover the flea market’s costs, though that might not apply on some days, Dozier said. Park­ing would be free.

“The admis­sion would be in lieu of park­ing rev­enue,” Dozier said.

Dis­counts would apply for some chil­dren and seniors, and some could be admit­ted for free. Dozier said it wouldn’t be fea­si­ble to charge for park­ing at the mall.

Mayor Karl Dean wants to rede­velop the fair­grounds and move the flea mar­ket to Hick­ory Hol­low in Antioch.

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By: fair_minded on 11/10/10 at 2:41

It's good to see that the public is finally becoming aware that it's been misled, and that the only problem with the Fairgrounds is Metro and management.

Hopefully it's not too late, and based on the VERY few responses in support of the mayor, it appears that the vast majority of the citizens support the fairgrounds.

I think "Community-carl-" in his post above has hit the nail on the head!

But it will take a strong voice of the people to make the Metro Council do what is right, what is legal, and support the Fairgrounds.... continue to call and write your council person... tell them how you wish to be represented and how you expect them to vote!

But also, get up out of your chair and come show Metro Council that the citizens want to retain the "common man's convention center!"

THERE IS A DEMONSTRATION PLANNED FOR NOVEMBER 16 FROM 2PM-4PM AT THE COURTHOUSE IN SUPPORT OF THE FAIRGROUNDS. LET METRO COUNCIL SEE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS COMMUNITY ASSET! COME JOIN IN! COME WITH OR WITHOUT A SIGN, JUST COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THE FAIRGROUNDS!

Also read http://fairgroundsheritage.org/pdf/What_Do_You_See.pdf - a report prepared by the attorney for the Fairgrounds Heritage Preservation Group.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 11/10/10 at 4:09

Wow, I just read fair_minded's post and the link that goes with it! If these questions set forth in Mr. Laske's pamphlet are not all answered then somebody"s head needs to roll, or be recalled. Like I said in an earlier post, " follow the money" and find the crooks. Everybody must read what this link has to say!

By: bfra on 11/10/10 at 4:33

producer2 & .17acres needs to read Mr. Laske's pamphlet! Bubble busting time!

By: RTungsten on 11/10/10 at 4:58

House flipping on Nolensville Rd.? That could be the funniest thing I've read all week on here. I mean, SOOO many corporate employees want to live in that crappy 'hood. Have you seen the house that overlook the fairgrounds parking lot? They are a giant fart away from falling down. Good luck, flipper.

By: govskeptic on 11/11/10 at 7:07

producer2 is an Administration "on Line" lacky for everything
the administration does. MCC, had every story commented on,
and attempt at dismissing every point made. The numbers that
are banded about on these proposals are such fabricated junk
their value is the same as "a bucket of spit.

Our former Jailer, Billy Lynch, has temporarily headed up about
every department in Metro Government over the years. He's selected
for those jobs just for the purposes stated in this story. He's a good
ole boy that knows how to help Mayors manuver their will and goals
through these departments and the political and budgetory process.
Every voter should watch carefully at how their councilperson votes on this idiotic Hickory Hollow proposal whether the Fairgrounds are closed or not!!

By: MAmom on 11/11/10 at 8:31

In the meeting Buck Dozier "dismissed the notion that all expo center vendors are reluctant to make the move from Nolensville Pike to Antioch. “That just isn’t true,” Dozier said."

Who the HECK is he talking to? I know many vendors out there. Every one I have spoken to HATES the idea of going to the Hickory Hollow location. Others will try the location because they have no other choice; but several will not go at all.

Also he grossly understated the number of shows that were leaving. Numbers from his own office were used against him.

By: MAmom on 11/11/10 at 8:32

Dean's contention that the Fairgrounds are losing money is BUNK! During the meeting James Weaver said: "revenues at the fairgrounds, which operates as an enterprise fund, have been flat or slightly declining during the last 10 years. At the same time, he said expenditures have increased as a result of inflation."

Even when the Fairgrounds were DELIBERATELY managed to fail (which it did not), the revenues are really not down so much. So then... expenses are the culprit. Again per Weaver "Expenses have increased as a result of inflation." Inflation??? Is he living in the 1980's. This isn't a period of 19% interest.

Expenses in the financials are up because they've been engineered to be higher.
A lot of judgment goes into preparation of financial statements. And guess who was in charge of the financials.... Riebeling and his staff. The main cheerleader for this whole "redevelopment" idea.

Overstated expenses consist of ALLOCATED costs from the MAYOR & LEGAL departments, economic studies & "public" meetings expenses to discuss the Fairgrounds fate, non-cash depreciation expenses, and "Personal" (not Personnel) expenses of millions of dollars.

Other anomalies in the financials:
-In recent years the Investments line disappeared from the financials &
-Monies transferred away from the Fairgrounds fund never were returned.

Again, any perceived loss was ORCHESTRATED. Had the fairgrounds been managed by responsible stewards & the financials prepared by honest, objective financial people - the Fairgrounds financial picture would look much, much, rosier.

Dean and his cronies created this "financial crisis" to justify their plans - despite potential legal obstacles.

By: MAmom on 11/11/10 at 8:33

Weaver again: “We were faced with the situation where we didn’t believe it was fiscally responsible to continue to do what we were doing,”

FROM THE EXPENSE SIDE: How can moving operations to a failed mall, obligating the city for millions of dollars in lease debt be fiscally responsible?

FROM THE REVENUE SIDE: Weaver, Dean and Reibeling also Assume that revenues will be flat... that they will be the same as at the current location. What a SELF-SERVING and optimistic assumption on their part. Especially since many shows, vendors and customers have indicated they will not go to Hickory Hollow.

By: MAmom on 11/11/10 at 8:33

UNNAMED BUSINESS INTERESTS MEAN MORE TO DEAN THAN NASHVILLIANS DO.

1) Make Noise! Except for the citypaper and wsmv - the local media has mostly failed us. They mostly print overstated, unsubstantiated estimates by Dean. Fairgrounds supportors' arguments are ignored or marginalized. Write or call local media - let them know how you feel about this.

2) Call or email your council representative. Tell them you do not approve of Dean's plans. Tell them you are watching. Talk to friends. Tell them you will remember the way they vote. Remind them the property was intended to have a "restricted" use - that there are legal obstacles to "redevelopment" of the site. Remind them that taking on millions in debt to lease/buy HH is a stupid, stupid idea. Remind them that the events that move to HH (and many will not) will FAIL. Remind them how untransparent this whole thing has been. Remind them that Dean and his "Riebeling" have lied and orchestrated any "loss" to push this agenda through. Remind them that Nashvillians want the Fairgrounds to remain a Fairgrounds!

3) If you haven't signed a petition to save the fairgrounds yet, sign one. You can at: http://savemyfairgrounds.com

4) Read the good stuff posted at the Fairgrounds Heritage Preservation website. There is definitely a lot of reason to doubt the legality of what Dean is trying to do.

5) Don't be complacent and let someone take the Fairgrounds away from you without a fight. Attend the council meeting next Tuesday. Let the Council see you! It is easy to ignore phone calls & petitions. Not so easy to ignore people when they are looking you in the eye.

By: girliegirl on 11/11/10 at 9:09

First thing you have to do is realize that you're only using that small inset of that HUGE property a few days (3 max) out of a full week. So...how is that economically logical? And the surrounding area is "blighted"...to be painfully honest here. Why not move the low end (call it what it truly is) capitalism out to Hickory Hollow in a "mixed use" scenario, and then force that downtown area to Upgrade. By encouraging growth, upgrading the infrastructure (at the developers expense) this can very well become a win/win solution for all of Davidson County. PLUS, it'll actually be used 7 days a week.

By: bfra on 11/11/10 at 9:14

girliegirl - When they was a Fair Board that actually promoted the Fairgrounds, more events were carried out. This Fair Board has done everything it could (a lot under the table) to make sure the Fairgrounds looked like it is & was nonprofitable. Read reports, if money had stayed where it should have, this is just not true. Karl's puppets have been busy, busy, busy!

By: bfra on 11/11/10 at 9:15

s/h/b - When there was

By: girliegirl on 11/11/10 at 9:20

As for the "historical" value... Like one guy said last year, "You can't piss on a shrub in Nashville w/o someone noting the so called historical significance of that spot." This whole area was the site of a famous war, plus home to a US president. We going to have to find a new "band wagon" excuse for a change.

By: girliegirl on 11/11/10 at 9:22

But...as a former visitor/shopper at said location, it's too spooky to go there anymore. I won't even attend the Christmas Village stuff there. And the entire surrounding area has become blighted. Just looking at the potential revenues from developing it (upscale) should make you smile.

By: bfra on 11/11/10 at 9:23

We have one, a spendthrift, carpetbagging mayor!

By: girliegirl on 11/11/10 at 9:23

And....agreed, at one time, it was the bomb, but that was 20 years + ago, when there were drastically fewer people living here. That area needs to be in a rural area, not uber urban.

By: girliegirl on 11/11/10 at 9:27

I still think it's a waste of space....and you're living in the past. Use it or lose it. (but reality check, no one...seriously, no one wants to go there, or at least not by choice) Lebanon stomps us each year with their fair, and I know, because I take my 3 little ones there each year, sometimes twice! LOL It's clean, police are everywhere, and it's the safest place to go at night and let your 12 yr old run off to do his own thing. You can't do that in Nashville. (at least, not with a conscience)

By: bfra on 11/11/10 at 9:42

Even if they did move it, HH? What logical thinking person would suggest moving Fairground activities to HH?

By: TITAN1 on 11/11/10 at 12:27

My wife and daughters go to Christmas Village every year and are going again this week. They have never had any problems there. I've been to races and the state fair and other events there and never had a problem.

By: girliegirl on 11/11/10 at 3:17

Wow...one day...no, 2 days out of the year. Gee. It's a way to reduce debt and generate revenue and JOBS. Selling trash one weekend out of the month? Come on. It's a HUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge waste of land and practically down-friggin'-town.