Fairgrounds group upset over $8,000 bill for community meetings

Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 8:30pm

A group committed to the preservation of the fairgrounds is irate after learning the fair board, not the mayor’s office, was billed $8,000 for community meetings organized by Mayor Karl Dean’s fairgrounds task force, a group assigned to lead discussion on future possibilities for the 117-acre site.

In an email sent Thursday to Nashville media, Lisa Leeds, of the Fairgrounds Heritage Preservation Group, pointed to an $8,000 invoice delivered to the board by the Nashville Civic Design Center, a nonprofit that is working on behalf of the task force to solicit public input on the future of the fairgrounds.

The Nashville Civic Design Center has put on three of four planned community meetings. The $8,000 invoice accounts for the first two gatherings — one in March and the other in April.

“This seems to be another part of the ongoing effort to drain the profits of the fairgrounds operations,” Leeds wrote.

Dean has said the Tennessee State Fair is no longer a moneymaker. He’s made no secret his desire that the fairgrounds property off Nolensville Pike be redeveloped. The final state fair is set for this fall.

Contacted by The City Paper, fair board chair James Weaver said he’s comfortable with the expense.

“The prior processes that we’ve been through in terms of evaluating the fairgrounds and evaluating the fair were all appropriate expenses for the fair board and came from our budget,” said Weaver, alluding to a previous study conducted by Minnesota-based Markin Consulting. “This is really no different than that.

“Really, what the Civic Design Center is doing is facilitating public input into the process,” he added. “Our neighbors being able to have input into this process is really important. That’s really important to the board, to our organization and to our staff.”

30 Comments on this post:

By: LMFT on 6/30/10 at 11:05

I, my wife and kids have all enjoyed the State Fair and have each entered various contests through the years. It is a part of our family history and a wonderful learning experience for young people as participants or as spectators of the events.
We also have enjoyed the Nashville Flea Market for years as well as other events which are presented at the fairgrounds.
Other than personal concerns, I have two others:
-Fairground events are usually priced so that people of most socioeconomic groups can attend and enjoy the attractions.
-Are all Nashville properties that "lose money" being considered for the "chopping block" as well?
We must be careful not to allow the city to sacrifice its historic institutions or create mere shells of them. To do so, would not only be detrimental to our future generations but also to the realism of the city.

By: concernedtaxpayer on 7/1/10 at 12:00

Dean is selfish and only desires for money to be spent on locations and leisure activities that he enjoys. What other government owned properties bring in over $60 million in economic impact that does not take taxpayer dollars to operate? Honestly, I can't think of one. Municipal auditorium received 862,000 last year. Bridgestone Arena (Predators)- received 7.7 million (originally from tourists tax but due to new MCC it will now come out of taxpayers pockets), LP Field ($292 million facility receives taxpayer money for operations, and parks and recreations receives how much?? Davidson county taxpayers can look at it this way, if the fairgrounds closes then the city will have to look for ways to collect another $4 million in tax revenue each year. The redevelopment ideas I have heard so far will not replace it.

By: idgaf on 7/1/10 at 12:29

Dizzy wasn't worried about us losing money on the MCC or the little leauge field he wanted to build was he?

This is his first term which should tell us we can't afford to give this guy a second term where he will be free to slip it to us even more.

I would vote in a heartbeat to break up Metro.

By: tomw on 7/1/10 at 6:08

tomw
I moved here from So. Cal four years ago. I lived in the town where the county fair was held. I saw a commitment to the fair that drove it from being a big loser to a huge money maker for the city, county and state. by the time that i left the state, the county fair was running for THREE WEEKS! The parking fees alone paid for most of the expenses of the fair.
This can happen in Nashville too, BUT it takes a commitment from the fair board and metro to put some money into the fair! The grounds are tired and uninspiring in a design sense. get some quality musical acts to bring in the customers. and for pity sake, move the schedule to earlier in the year to get out of the massive heat/storm cycle. As it is the fair is rained out for half of the run as it is. No wonder it loses money. These are simple and relatively cheap expenses.
It is obvious that Metro politics is commited to selling off the land, justifying the decisin by not putting a dime into the fair and guaranteeing the failure. We dont need more housing in an area that floods thats for sure.

By: govskeptic on 7/1/10 at 7:23

Of course the Fair Board Chairman(appointed by mayor) says
this $8,000. billing from non-profit Design Group (arm of Metro)
is OK. Taxpayers pay the bill no matter the source of billing.
Mayor and Chamber's "Design to Fail" is working just as planned
for this property!

By: njmccune on 7/1/10 at 7:24

Most see this property as it is at this point… a rundown eyesore, badly in need of demolition. Ms. Leeds is so out of touch that she continually states that “we just need to fix it up a little”. The time to fix it up was 10 or 15 years ago. The fair’s claim to fame was that no one got murdered last year. How sad that we allowed the Williamson county fair to sneak up on us and steal away the best vendors and most of the attendees. The Williamson County fair has grown steadily while we have had our heads in the sand.

The fair and its use of this property has outlived its usefulness. It is the blight in the center of south Nashville that is hindering progress in this part of town.

As to the statement that the fairground contributes 60 million dollars to the economy… I have delved into this and am unable to substantiate this figure. It is well known that the racing people are from closely surrounding counties and they do not rent hotel rooms after a race, they go home. They do not patronize the restaurants downtown. As to the flea market, same applies. Most out-of-towners sleep in their campers on the grounds and bring their own food. There is simply no evidence that this property contributes anywhere near $60M to the economy.

This has become a very progressive city, and as such we must move ahead on projects that benefit the entire city. Sad that some old relics must go but that is always the case with progress. Of course we will always have knuckle-draggers! Thank heaven that they are in the minority and we can allow Nashville to become the premier city that it is poised to be.

By: idgaf on 7/1/10 at 7:33

Lets us not forget there is more then the fair that goes on there (and much more that could be going on) and who is in charge. A political hack retired fire chief who has no real qualifications for the job.

By: budlight on 7/1/10 at 8:03

A few years ago the music venue starwood was alive, kicking and making money. THEN some brilliant person decided it would be BEST suited if they closed it and put up residential and commercial building projects.

To date, it has been torn down and remains an ugly, unsightly empty huge area of land on the corner of Murfreesboro Rd. and Old Hickory blvd. Some progress that was.

NO< leave the fairgrounds alone, Mr. Dean.

By: oldhickorytony on 7/1/10 at 8:30

I'm sorry, but the TN State Fair was a joke over 30 years ago when I first moved to TN. I was totally amazed at just how pitiiful it was compared to other state fairs. It's still a joke today. If you want to go to a good fair, go to the Wilson County Fair.

I admit that I will miss the flea market...

By: idgaf on 7/1/10 at 8:45

The flea market could be running every week rather then once a month along with other activitys that are currentlt there.

The big problem here is that people don't know how to make money with the assets they have they just know how to spend and lose money. There is no accountability.

Dozier needs to be fired. (along with Dean)

By: orangey on 7/1/10 at 9:01

What a dreadful sight to have a state fair. There would be insufficient parking for the number of attendees required to make it profitable. Kentucky's fairgrounds is about 500 acres-----all of it flat! The best use of this property is to be redeveloped into a mixed use parcel to provide much needed property and sales tax revenue. Boo Hoo to Lisa Leeds. Hooray for Mayor Dean's leadership!!!

By: localboy on 7/1/10 at 9:09

Good point, budlight.

By: Loretta Bridge on 7/1/10 at 9:14

Just another example of miss use of our tax money. A group of people who are probably friends or business partners of the Mayor assigned to sit around a table and talk for a few hours about something that had already been decided and get paid a big amount of money for it. This mayor is hell bent on tearing down everything and putting up
something new. Most great cities are preserving their old. When do the great leaders of Nashville plan to make good use of the old Bellevue mall. Why not talk the owner into using it for the flea market. When I go to other cities they always have an image in their minds that Nashville is a hick backwards city. I am beginning to agree with them. I think I'll go buy some boots a cowboy hat and look like all the tourist.

By: nashtnman on 7/1/10 at 9:20

This is typical of our mayor. He is a dishonest greedy man. To allow this part of our history to vanish would be yet another example of a select few doing what they want regardless of public opinion, just like the convention center. We put these dishonest people in these positions and we need to remove them, ASAP. The fair has always been a place our families can enjoy time together. Where will you take your kids now, a Predators game?, or Titans? Have you priced what it would cost for a family of 4 at either of these events? Why are we letting our city "leaders" destroy the basic enjoyments we have here? If they "redevelope" the land everyone's taxes are going to go up. Look at what happened to East Nashville, Inglewood and downtown when the stadium was built, taxes were increased dramatically due to that project despite the lying asses statements. They lied about that, they lied about the convention center and now this. Vote these people out; they are not doing what WE want they are doing what they want. VOTE THEM OUT!!!! ENOUGH WITH THE LIES AND DISHONESTY.

By: xhexx on 7/1/10 at 9:29

Bellevue mall would be a great place for a new ballpark. Already has plenty of paved parking.

By: 117_acres on 7/1/10 at 9:53

This article is about $8,000. Lol..... Does the City Paper have any idea what this property is potentially worth economically for tax base revenue and providing a better quality of life for the residents of this side of town.

How about doing a story to see if the Fair board has collected the $25,000 plus owed in back rent from the previous racetrack lessee Danny Denson. How about checking the status on the $500,000 plus in back property taxes Metro claims owed by another racetrack lessee Joe Mattioli? Maybe since Ms. Leeds has so much time on her hands she can collect these debts for the Fair board.

Also, don't forget that one of the former leaders of the Fairgrounds (Racetrack) Preservation Group is a Convicted Sex Offender.

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/fairgrounds-activist-associated-convicted-sex-offender

By: dartow on 7/1/10 at 10:14

Sounds like another waist of money by this board and the city. Just the fact that the board leader has no issue with this bill tell us where the priorities are. I would bet that if they put the word out that they needed a meeting location as cheap as possible or free there would be all kinds of offers. This is a slap in the face to the whole project and the board members should be replaced.

Back to basics & common sense!!!

By: BigPapa on 7/1/10 at 10:21

Starwood and PSC are blighted areas, but they are private. This is an area Metro has direct control and the city gov. should not contribute the the blighting of an area of town.
This place is terrible, just concrete block buildings and and sea of asphalt. Nothing to be nastalgic about. Stop the whimpering and move on. Put this thing out of our misery.

By: lisaleeds2008 on 7/1/10 at 10:25

117_acres

This seems to be another part of the on-going effort to drain the
profits of the Fairgrounds operation. Put this in the same category
as other "service fees" that Metro charges to the Fairgrounds, such as
the $300,000 annual "Personal, professional and legal fees" or the
"Indirect LOCAP expense" of $157,000 or over $8,000 per year for
"Vehicle Maintenance" (among others).

The mayor has tried to convince the public that the Fairgrounds is a
loser, but it's paid its own way for over 100 years without ever
costing Metro a dime-- it has only put cash *into* Metro and in
addition, brought approximately $60+ million each year into the local
economy- most of which will be a total loss if the Fairgrounds
actually closes down.

The Fairgrounds operation would do just fine with a competent Fair
Board and if it could keep Metro's hand out of the till (under law,
Metro has no direct control of the Fairground's assets, hence the
"service fees").

By: njmccune on 7/1/10 at 10:54

To Lisa Leeds:
Show me precisely where this property contributes $60M into the local economy. I have watched you make this mis-statement over and over with NOTHING to back it up.
It is well known that the racing people are from closely surrounding counties and they do not rent hotel rooms after a race, they go home. They do not patronize the restaurants downtown. As to the flea market, same applies. Most out-of-towners sleep in their campers on the grounds and bring their own food. There is simply no evidence that this property contributes anywhere near $60M to the economy.

If you want to talk about the waste from the fair board, how about checking into the lost revenue from two of the previous racetrack leasees... $25,000 plus owed in back rent from the racetrack lessee Danny Denson. How about checking the status on the $500,000 plus in back property taxes Metro claims owed by another racetrack lessee Joe Mattioli? Maybe your whinning could become a little more productive.

By: 117_acres on 7/1/10 at 10:57

Lisa what about the $25,000 plus owed by Denson? Has that been paid yet?
What happened to your lawsuit? Why did your attorney non-suit the case?
The Mayor has tried to convince the public of anything. Most of the rational, reasonable, and objective mind residents in Nashville understand the issues with the fairgrounds.
There is no proof that the fairgrounds contributes 60 million to the city of Nashville each year. I have not heard one business owner or seen a business owner in the four years I have attended meetings say that if the City closes the fairgrounds my business will be substantially impacted. I could careless about the vendors at the flea market because there are other places for them to go and most of them do not live in Nashville. For example the lawsuit that was filed only "ONE" Nashville vendor signed on as a Plaintiff. If so many people were financially affected by this property we would have heard from them by now. The only pleas the City is hearing are emotional pleas which are not going to get very far.
The city loses money every year by not doing something else with the property! Nashville loses money because the property sits empty a majority of the time and the area around it is economically depressed because the fairgrounds is a dump. Not to mention only about 35 to 40 acres of the 117 acres is actually used the rest is for parking which almost never completely fills up. Maybe if Ms. Leeds lived in Nashville 15 or 20 years ago she might have been able to save the property but unfortunately for her cause the people who are emotionally pleading for the City not to close the fairgrounds failed to keep it up to a level that it should have been at.
The best opportunity for the people who want to continue fair, flea market, and expo events is to ask the City to find another place to host these type of events.

By: 117_acres on 7/1/10 at 10:58

Lisa what about the $25,000 plus owed by Denson? Has that been paid yet?
What happened to your lawsuit? Why did your attorney non-suit the case?
The Mayor hasn't tried to convince the public of anything. Most of the rational, reasonable, and objective minded residents in Nashville understand the issues with the fairgrounds.
There is no proof that the fairgrounds contributes 60 million to the city of Nashville each year. I have not heard one business owner or seen a business owner in the four years I have attended meetings say that if the City closes the fairgrounds my business will be substantially impacted. I could careless about the vendors at the flea market because there are other places for them to go and most of them do not live in Nashville. For example the lawsuit that was filed only "ONE" Nashville vendor signed on as a Plaintiff. If so many people were financially affected by this property we would have heard from them by now. The only pleas the City is hearing are emotional pleas which are not going to get very far.
The city loses money every year by not doing something else with the property! Nashville loses money because the property sits empty a majority of the time and the area around it is economically depressed because the fairgrounds is a dump. Not to mention only about 35 to 40 acres of the 117 acres is actually used the rest is for parking which almost never completely fills up. Maybe if Ms. Leeds lived in Nashville 15 or 20 years ago she might have been able to save the property but unfortunately for her cause the people who are emotionally pleading for the City not to close the fairgrounds failed to keep it up to a level that it should have been at.
The best opportunity for the people who want to continue fair, flea market, and expo events is to ask the City to find another place to host these type of events.

By: everloyal on 7/1/10 at 2:03

First, I'm against doing away with the State Fair/Fairgrounds. For better or worse, it has been a part of our hertiage for 103 years. However, since Dozier ran the Fairground into the ground, spent the majority of the reserve funding, he has accomplished exactly what Dean wanted him to do so he (Dean) can use the excuse that the Fairgrounds isn't a money maker to close it. The latest example of this is the $8,000 bill for two meetings. What was the $8,000 for? If the task force was set up by the Mayor, then the Mayor's office should pay for it. This is sort of like asking a commended person to pay for his execution! Can't wait until the next mayoral election so Nashville can get rid of Mr. Dean.

By: lisaleeds2008 on 7/1/10 at 5:00

njmccune and 117_acres---

first njmccune said:
"How about checking the status on the $500,000 plus in back property taxes Metro claims owed by another racetrack lessee Joe Mattioli?"

Well.. that didn't take a lot of checking-- most people could have figured this out by themselves. When you rent property, *you* are not responsible for the property taxes, the landlord is. And since the Fairgrounds does not pay property taxes, then it looks like no one is responsible there, especially a lessor. Probably why Metro shut up about that minor issue.

then njmccune said:
"It is well known that the racing people are from closely surrounding counties and they do not rent hotel rooms after a race, they go home. They do not patronize the restaurants downtown."

And just *who* is this 'well known' by?? anyone who actually has a clue?? Are you aware that there are 275 events each year at the fairgrounds that draw over 1 million people from across the country? don't you think a few of them stay in motel rooms? Actually about 29,000 of them do!

117_acres said:
"Lisa what about the $25,000 plus owed by Denson? Has that been paid yet?"

According to the lease, Denson was required to post a bond equal to the total amount of the lease. Since I'm sure that Metro complied with their own lease, I'm not worried about whether Denson is able to pay it or not, since it's covered by a bond.

And whether either, or both, of these issues are settled is a matter of the competence of the Fair Board and Managers, it has nothing to do with the viability of the Fairgrounds.

As far as economic impact, both of you can go to our website at http://fairgroundsheritage.org/index.php?p=eo and see the actual study showing the economic impact of the Fairgrounds. An actual study done by a Metro department.

Of course you still may not accept that, since it proves my point and not yours.

I'm not sure what jjmccune's take on this is, but 117_acres we know that your's is stricly business-- your real estate investment business in the wedgewood neighborhood. A quick trip to the register of deeds office shows you to be a busy little boy in the real estate business in that neighborhood.

You said "I could careless about the vendors at the flea market ... " and that seems to sum up your attitude about everyone.

You also said: "The city loses money every year by not doing something else with the property!"

what a silly statement. the city loses nothing on property that was not paid for with taxes and that it has never put a penny into! the fairgrounds is the best deal the county has going as far as cost vs. economic impact. Even if it had *no* impact, it still does not cost the city anything, and every dime it brings in is just icing on the cake!

Studies (markin report for example) have shown that "mixed use" development of that property would only have an estimated $47 million economic impact per year-- after several years. About 2/3 of the current impact of the Fairgrounds.

By: lisaleeds2008 on 7/1/10 at 5:07

oh.. and for those of you wondering what was covered in the invoice, we have the invoice posted at http://fairgroundsheritage.org/index.php?p=tf

By: stitch12 on 7/1/10 at 5:21

The Fair Board told NASCAR Cup Series to take a hike because Metro would not pay for additional seating, nor would give a long lease to the track operator that would make the investment to secure our dates. A smaller track, Bristol, now has 160,000 seats and 152 sky boxes. The smaller Richmond Fairground Speedway still have two Cup Series dates and a beautiful racetrack, in downtown Richmond, VA., because their City Fathers worked together for their city. Our two Cup series dates went to Las Vegas and Chicago. Losing those dates was a Big, Big mistake. Tons of money lost for Davidson County. Losing our public property will be another big blunder.
I have heard many times about Metro taking 6 million from the fairgrounds to secure the deal with the Titans. I'm glad the fairgrounds had that much in their rainy day fund so we did get a football team.
I was at a council meeting where the amount of money that Metro charges the fairgrounds, such as $200.00 per month for maintenance of a golf cart, etc. The charges were sickening.
For those that want to know where the 56-60 million dollar ecomonic impact that the fairgrounds property brings into Davidson County each year, read the Markin Survey that our Mayor paid $90,000.00 to a company from MN. I read it. It does says that and also says that 90% of Davidson County residents wants the property to remain as public land, and 80% of the residents of the 350 residents that live close by the property also want it to remain public land.
Nashville should be diversified on many entertainment venes. We want things that we enjoy, but we also need things that interest people that will come from long distance to our county and spend their money. Why are we building a big convention center? It is to attract people from outside our county to come and spend their money here. We could live without a Fair. Surround counties have some even better. But that is not why we are saving the fairgrounds for. It is the EXPO center that brings in the big money that pays our teachers, police and firefigthers. We just lost 15 million economic impact from the closed Opryland Hotel for this year. I rarely go there. I don't book a room, but I do miss the money that went to other cities or states. Losing our EXPO center and the 277 events held at the fairgrounds each year will also leave our county or state and therefore, losing another 50 or more million. Therefore, our property taxes, or sales tax or a possible income tax will have to be the ones that pay the bills.
Think people, we need money. We want people to come to spend their money here. Look at Louisville, 165 miles north, has a nice convention center downtown on a river and a 300 acre EXPO about 4 or 5 miles from downtown, that is extremely beautiful. Wouldn't people prefer to visit Music City over Louisville, if we have the facilities to host their event? I would think so.
Use your brain and think, instead of the selfish reasons that you want the fairgrounds leveled. I don't particularly enjoy all the events on that property, but we are a diversified city, and it does make money for us. Get on the side of the people that want the property to remain for public use, not private. Even though our buildings may not be beautiful, they are clean and up dated. The toliets flush without touching. The building are wired for wireless computers, etc. We could have beautiful buliding too if Metro would keep their paws out of the rainy day fund, and the excess over charges. Since the fairgrounds are footing the bill for the Mayor's Civic Design, should the fairgrounds charge Metro for the use of the building for the task force, or for parking the entire fleet of school buses?
If Metro sells it for a one time profit and reap for a little more property tax each year, I honestly don't think even people coming into our city and a beautiful new Greyhound Terminal on that property will bring in the financial impact that it has right now, and it sure wouldn't be very entertaining.

By: 117_acres on 7/1/10 at 6:08

Lisaleeds2008 from reading your post the flow and content are very consistent to what user Thomas Watson a.k.a. some1oneelse use to post. So is Thomas Watson now posing as Lisaleeds2008? Probably so....

Snith12 read your post. You state that the Louisville Expo Center sits on 300 acres. The current TN state fairgrounds is only 117 acres and only about 35 to 40 is occupied by buildings. So you are telling us that the Louisville Expo Center is almost three times as big as the Tn State Fairgrounds? You cannot make the entire property flat because of Browns Creek "flood plain". The Markin Study confirms the property is not big enough to continue to have a top notch state fair and expo center. As far as the Markin Study goes you need to read it again because your comments are inaccurate. The City loses money every year by not developing the fairgrounds into something into something better that creates more jobs and helps build up the area around it. Millions of dollars a year are lost in tax base revenue for this side of Nashville. Again, I have not heard one hotel or restaurant ask the City to save the fairgrounds. This property is mainly benefiting the people who chose to live out side of Metro Nashville who could care less about the residents of Nashville.

When the property is developed from what I understand there will be some community space and green space to have expo events.

By: stitch12 on 7/1/10 at 11:20

117, Yea, that's right Louisville has 300 acres. A racetrack, a couple of museums, expo buildings and a six flag amusement. They have motels within walk distance and I think I heard 14,000 rooms within five minutes. We are a larger city than Louisville. Why can't we have something to compete with them for event dollars. Why can't we have a place to go to events that we enjoy and afford, without going out of our county or out of state. Having 117 acres is a start. As you stated, it is not all flat, but if it was it would all be flooded. It's served well for over 100 years and it was purchased for the entertainment of the residents of Tennessee. Read the charter 515. The Mayor is making Wedgewood a boulevard from !-65, through the fairground property to Nolensville Rd. and continuing on to Murfreesboro Rd. Using the public domain, that will open more property for hotels, restaurants and much more. The Nolensville Rd. and Murfreesboro Rd. in time, could be filled with nice hotels, all the way to the convention center and downtown. You can still have your trees and flowers and a bike trail, etc. along the Brown's Creek. Everyone likes to look and enjoy things like that, and we do have beautiful parks and trails all over the county for our enjoyment. But we also need to continue making money to preserve our parks and trails etc. I guarantee Metro is not building a new convention center for our convenience and our events. How many times do you visit the one we have now? Once, twice a year maybe? We need an Expo for various interest. The so many that wouldn't or couldn't want to be at the convention center. There is a difference. For example, one event now held at the fairground property, Our prestigious Nashville Lawn and Garden Show treasurer paid the fairgrounds $49,500.00 plus a percentage of the tickets and the total was approximately $55,000.00 for four days. After the shows they have donated tons of mulch, trees, bushes and flowers to Metro and made 9 million monetary donations to Public TV and the Hermitage and others. When they ask to see the Mayor for an alternate site, it took three weeks and he put them off to Alexia Poe and she told them to look outside the county or out side the state because we don't have room for you anymore. That is just one huge event that brings more than 16 million to our county. Why are we doing this, giving it away?
You must be a house flipper in that area and you think your houses that you bought for a song will bring you fortune. I hope it will, but it won't if the mayor put the Greyhound Terminal and the mass transit terminal in your backyard. And your property taxes are going to go sky high. Think of this, how many of your friends and co-workers now are living in Williamson County or Rutherford or Wilson, Sumner or Cheatham, it's why our interstates are crowded every morning and evening in every directions.. They find more house for less money and less tax burden, live better. They may work here but their property taxes are not sent to Davidson. The more people and jobs and events you send out of Davidson, the less money to operate Nashville and the fewer here have to support it have to pay more. Always think of the three legged stool. Low crime, good schools and low taxes. If one leg gets out of sync with any of the other, the stool will fall and the city dies. No matter how bars you have, how many concerts or bike trails, people will go to the county or city that the stool is steady.

By: lisaleeds2008 on 7/2/10 at 9:09

From reading your post the flow and content are very consistent to what user Fred Agee a.k.a. 117_acres use to post. it is me Lisa Leeds so get over it.

By: localboy on 7/2/10 at 10:54

Some of the city is still reeling from the closure of Fair Park...