Legislators demand right to keep handguns in locked cars

Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:26am

Champions of the Second Amendment flexed their muscles in the state House Wednesday, demanding a new right for employees to keep handguns in their cars while at work.

They beat back legislation that would have encouraged but not required business owners to allow handguns in the locked cars of their employees.

The bill was a compromise between pro-gun lawmakers and business owners. It would have limited the legal liability of employers who chose not to ban weapons in their parking lots.

Rep. Eddie Bass, D-Prospect, tried to amend the bill to force employers to allow handgun-carry permit holders to keep their weapons in their locked vehicles on the business’ property. When the House refused to table his amendment, the sponsor of the bill withdrew it from consideration and sent it back to committee.

“In my opinion, my vehicle is my personal property,” Bass said. “That’s the way I look at it. All I’m wanting is for this individual to be able to carry with a gun permit and protect himself to and from work.”

33 Comments on this post:

By: Kosh III on 4/27/11 at 1:25

Yes! They are still focused like a laser on jobs.

By: WickedTribe on 4/27/11 at 2:28

In my opinion, my backpack is my personal property.

By: Loner on 4/28/11 at 4:34

A loaded gun in the parking lot is just what the disgruntled employee needs to make his last stand and "get even"... no need to go home and get the weapons and then return to work, to shoot the place up.

This will also help to quickly terminate employee versus employee workplace animosity, the old fashioned way...the parking lot ambush.

Is there something in the water in Tennessee? Lunacy seems pervasive, from the bottom to the top of the societal hierarchy. Guns anywhere near the workplace is a dangerous idea.

By: GuardianDevil01 on 4/28/11 at 5:05

Every time restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms are repealed or relaxed gunphobic individuals predict bloodshed and carnage in the streets. It does not happen. First it was the HCP law, then the parks law, then the restaurant law... the number of gun-related crimes does not increase. Yet Chicken Little still runs around telling us the sky will fall each time a pro-2nd Amendment bill is introduced.

This is very troubling to those who make excuses for violent criminals. The fact is we live in a state that releases savage, wild animals from their cages only weeks or months (if they serve prison time at all) after being convicted of violent, predatory felonies. This makes it all the more important that people are allowed to take responsibility for their own safety as well as that of their loved ones.

By: Kosh III on 4/28/11 at 5:49

"The fact is we live in a state that releases savage, wild animals from their cages only weeks or months (if they serve prison time at all) after being convicted of violent, predatory felonies. "

Yes because conservatives refuse to pay enough taxes to adequately fund the prison system and rehabilitation services. Greed is their god.

Funny how places with severe gun limitations also have low crime. You don't hear of these violent outbreaks in Calgary or Copenhagen.

By: treehugger7 on 4/28/11 at 6:22

Enough with the damn guns! At least Vanderbilt isn't falling into the "guns keep us safe" crap trap! Calgary and Copenhagen have the right idea.

By: sw9ve on 4/28/11 at 7:02

Why are gun haters so terrified of law-abiding citizens who take responsibility for their own safety?

By: treehugger7 on 4/28/11 at 7:11

Keep yourself safe at home-yes. Walk around with a loaded gun all the time-no. Guns are not the answer! Create an equitable world where people aren't starving and living on the streets--yes. Oh, wait, I forgot--the nutty legislature wants everyone to go armed. That's quite godly. Is the next bill they come up with going to be providing guns for the poor people who can't afford their own?

By: birdperch on 4/28/11 at 7:45

The best line of this 'Cliff Note' article from the bill sponsor Rep Bass is: "All I’m wanting is for this individual to be able to carry with a gun permit and protect himself to and from work.” Haa. TO and FROM work while it's in 'this individual's ' car. Hysterical. Umm. Robber. Would you wait just a moment while I go to my car and get my permitted gun that I so proudly own and carry in the event of such a scenario. I've envisioned this moment for years. I know this licensed gun should be used in such a moment, but it's in my car. Honestly, I'll be right back. Uggh. Yet another false sense of 'Security' and a stupid southern legislative 'law'.... for political employees. After Congresswoman Giffords was shot, all the Republicans are now scared. NRA-ers are always complaining about gun laws, but not when one, as stupid as this, is proposed. TN is ranked the 3rd State for gun violence against women, and I think 5th for gun related incidents overall.

Guardian~ Do you only read NRA stats? Have you had a handgun held to your head? I have. Have you used your handgun? Handguns only serve ONE purpose: to intimdate or kill. Be more open minded and read about gun violence in our country and around the world. As an 26 yr old Englishman I recently met said (their cops have to check in and out guns for duty): 'You American's should uphold the 2nd Amendment. But those wanting to carry guns should carry those that were used when the Amendment was written." Brilliant. Muskets. Way more manly. Duels. Love it. Or better yet. Bow and Arrows. Or fists. Much more sportsman like. Handguns don't protect, only kill. 4 out of 5 Americans will expericence some type of gun violence in their life time: held up, shot or killed. Sad.

Gun Murders by Country
In one year, guns murdered 17 people in Finland, 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 60 in Spain, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States.
The United States has weak gun laws. The other countries have strong gun laws.
Gun Murders by Country and Population Size
When the countries are compared on the basis of firearm homicides per 100,000 population, the United States remains an outlier.
In one year, the U.S. firearm homicide rate was 5 times that of Canada, 10 times that of Finland, 13 times that of Germany, 19 times that of Australia, 24 times that of Spain, 44 times that of England and Wales.

A 2010 study affirmed this pattern: U.S. homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than 22 other populous, high-income countries combined. For a summary of the study, see: http://bradycampaign.org/studies/view/191.

Guns Used in Crime = More Deaths
Research indicates that the overall rate of crime in the United States is comparable to the rates in other developed countries (see Crime Is Not the Problem: Lethal Violence in America). However, in part because of our weak gun laws, guns are used more often in crimes in the United States than in other countries, which means that more people die. This partly explains why, even when our homicide rates are low by historical U.S. standards, they still are far higher than comparable countries.
Firearm deaths in 23 populous high-income countries were compared for 2003, based on data from the World Health Organization. Consistent with past research, the United States had far higher rates of firearm deaths compared with the combined rates of 22 other high-income countries.

Remarkably, among the 23 countries studied, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States; 86 % of women killed by firearms were U.S. women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were U.S. children.

U.S. homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates (as reported in other studies). The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. was 19.5 times higher.

The researchers conclude that “Whatever our basic level of violence, the empirical evidence from ecological, case-control, and other studies indicate that readily accessible firearms - by making killing easy, efficient, and somewhat IMPERSONAL (my emphasis) - increase the lethality of violence” (p. 5).

U.S. suicide rates overall were 30 percent lower than the other countries, but the U.S. firearm suicide rate was 5.8 times higher. The researchers concluded based on existing research on U.S. gun suicides, “…it is probable that the United States would have an even lower rate of suicide relative to these other countries if firearms were not so readily available.”

The U.S. unintentional firearm death rate was 5.2 times higher than that of the other high-income countries combined.

Other key statistics included:

For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries.
For U.S. males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times higher, and for U.S. females, firearm homicide rates were 11.4 times higher.

So all Brady haters can research on their own. Remember, Brady was shot AND paralyzed while trying to protect a US Republican President, Reagan.

Guns Bless America. Not.

By: Loner on 4/28/11 at 8:59

Guns in or near the workplace? I don't think that's such a great idea; here is a snippet from a credible source:

Workplace violence continues to be one of the leading causes of on-the-job fatalities. Two factors--regional location in the United States and unemployment levels--appear to have significant impact upon the occurrence of occupational homicides. In terms of monthly average workplace homicide rates, the South Region has significantly higher rates than any other region in the United States.


By: mg357 on 4/28/11 at 9:06

Eddie Bass is the former sheriff of Giles Co. {Pulaski, Tn.} and I'm sure he's well acquainted with gun violence. I would much rather be safe than sorry especially in today's world being a woman. Isn't DC the most crime free around if you don't count the murders. If you think about it folks, our country is at present being invaded by some of the most violent cartels known to any law enforcement group. In my opinion, in time to come; the violence in Mexico will look like Disneyworld compared to the holacaust here in the US once the control of illegal drugs manifests itself. What say you.........mg

By: mg357 on 4/28/11 at 9:15

Loner; why, in your opinion did the stocks for both Smith&Wesson and Ruger escalate 40% prior to the presidential election. Take for example, any 3 states and count the number of hunters and multiply that by the remaining states. I believe the numbers would equal out to more than the entire combined military. When Clinton signed the Welfare reform bill, the right to carry was signed shortly afterward. Why did that happen do you think? The 2nd amendment is designed to protect the citizens from the tyranny of the government. Many of you including myself have guns that are legal and we have them for a reason. Anything can be construed as a weapon if you think about it.......mg

By: Loner on 4/28/11 at 9:31

Mg357, you are making an argument in favor of Cannabis legalization.

If the profit motive was removed from the equation, the marijuana cartels, gangs and the "mob" would all get out of the reefer business.

The money that would have gone into the hands of Cannabis-related organized crime could then increase the purchasing power of millions of American Cannabis smokers - the economy would be positively impacted in other ways as well.

Taxpayer funds that now are wasted by attempting to enforce the Cannabis prohibition - in the criminal justice, rehab and incarceration industries - could be spent on more worthwhile and effective programs.

Issuing grow permits could also generate cash for state and local governments.

Every American citizen should be endowed with an inalienable right to grow and smoke their own Cannabis, or whatever else they wish to grow and smoke...why can't you small government Tea-Party types see that?

Again, the religionists have hijacked the Tea Party movement; extending and/or expanding personal freedoms are not on their agenda.

By: Loner on 4/28/11 at 9:40

Mg357, a pistol-packin' mama, asks an easy-to-answer question: "Loner; why, in your opinion did the stocks for both Smith&Wesson and Ruger escalate 40% prior to the presidential election."

Answer: Mass hysteria. Plain and simple. The Christian and other right-wing media outlets were painting a doomsday scenario, if Barack Hussein Obama, a black man, a closeted "Muslim and Socialist", without proper proof of birth were to be elected President of the United States. This 24/7 personal verbal assault on Mr. Obama had an effect on the sale of guns and ammunition across the fruited plain. Professional fear mongers worked the masses like the asses they are; panic buying set in and the rest is history.

By: govskeptic on 4/28/11 at 9:48

It appears many posters would feel much more comfortable living in Finland!
We are only speaking of those that have Gun carry permits being able to
place those weapons in the trunk, not the public at large nor certain convicted
felons! There appears to be as much Mass hysteria on one side as the other!

By: Loner on 4/28/11 at 9:55

"Law abiding gun owners" have been known to snap and kill...the NRA talking points memos do not talk about that embarassing fact. Dozens of examples come to mind...oftentimes the gunner has no criminal record...they just go nuts..spewing folks with the ejaculate of their phallic symbols....lots of sickos out there, many are "law abiding citizens".

By: mg357 on 4/28/11 at 9:55

Negative Loner; I am not addressing the pot issue. I am addressing the heavy hitters i.e. heroin, cocaine, and meth that are currently the most popular drugs on the street. If you think about it, you will see my point here. You cannot fail to see the illegal invasion which many believe are the social infrastructure of the cartels who are blanketing America where the most prevalent addicts reside. Supply and demand and who rules. You do know that one of the wealthiest men on earth is a drug lord do you not? Come on Radix; see where I'm going here.....mg

By: mg357 on 4/28/11 at 10:11

I'll keep my guns; yall can keep *hope and change.* Have a glorious day.....mg

By: WickedTribe on 4/28/11 at 10:32

Why not address the source of crime (poverty, etc) instead of trying to spread guns around to protect yourself from crime?

That's a backdoor solution.

By: mg357 on 4/28/11 at 10:46

What we have accepted today, is a vast permanent underclass of millions who cannot cope, and must be carried by the rest of society; fed, clothed, housed, tutored, and medicated at taxpayer expense for their entire lives. We have a new division in America, those who pay double fare, and those who forever ride free. It's called the narcotic of welfare..........mg

By: gdiafante on 4/28/11 at 11:12

How exactly is a gun in a locked car supposed to help someone? lol

Once again the idiots in TN assert their dominance.

By: gdiafante on 4/28/11 at 11:13

There is a division in America...those who are normal and those who bitch about everyone else.

Guess which side little mg is on?

By: HokeyPokey on 4/28/11 at 12:48

There are 10 types of people in this world.

Those who understand binary, and those who don't.


By: Ingleweird on 4/28/11 at 1:50

"Gun haters" are not terrified by so-called "law-abiding citizens;" they are terrified of being injured or killed by a hail of ill-directed stray bullets fired by some gung-ho, shoot-first-ask-questions-later, wanna-be Rambo. If someone wants to rob me for my wallet, they can go right ahead and rob me. If you want to risk your life and that of others by engaging in a gunfight, I guess that is your prerogative, but do it in the middle of nowhere and away from crowds, civilization, myself, my friends, and my family. Apparently, I value my life and my safety more than you do yours; if you wanna piss yours away on a freaking bullet, do it away from innocent bystanders.

There really should be psychological assessments required for all firearms permits/licenses. Some of you gunners are really loose cannons (sorry, bad pun).

By: Cookie47 on 4/28/11 at 3:53

WickedTribe wrote: "Why not address the source of crime (poverty, etc) instead of trying to spread guns around to protect yourself from crime?"

Answer: The source of crime are the criminals, not poverty. If we'd put these animals in prison and keep them where they belong, in a cage, then I would be more than happy to leave my gun at home.

Why don't you use some of that energy to go after stricter laws and punishments for the criminals rather than gripping about law-abiding HCP holders? Just think, WickedTribe, all the criminals in one place would be a utopia for you and all your liberal friends. All the thugs, robbers, and murders would be in one place where y'all could go and hug each and everyone so you'd get a warm fuzzy feeling, thinking you'd done something to change society. Just watch for the shive they'll probably ram between your ribs while you're doing it.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/28/11 at 4:22


We are a frightened society here in Nashville. First they tried guns in the workplace, then guns on campus, and of course we have guns in bars. Well now we need guns in cars because mayhem may erupt anytime to and from work. Well mayhem did erupt yesterday and it was in the form of tornadoes which are perhaps being fueled by climate change. So you should be scared very scared, but not from your fellow man. You should be very scared of republican led tea policies that are against any public discussion concerning climate change. Instead, take out your gun next time the tornado hits. It may hit while you are to and from work.

“In my opinion, my vehicle is my personal property,” Bass said. “That’s the way I look at it. All I’m wanting is for this individual to be able to carry with a gun permit and protect himself to and from work.”

By: Cookie47 on 4/28/11 at 8:31


It's been proven "climate change" is nothing but a hoax, making Algore a genuine con man. That's something most Tennesseans have known for a long time.

Now can you get back to the subject at hand? You remember don't you? "Legislatures demand right to keep handguns in locked vehicles." Come on. Stop hugging that tree and try to focus.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/28/11 at 9:35

Moonglow1 to Cookie47

Climate Change versus Guns in Cars: take your pick. What would you rather have legislators and policy makers debate. See below.

Guns in Cars Arguments Heard in TX Case-Employers Say NO

Hendrick Health System, Bridgestone Bandag and Coca-Cola Refreshments also prohibit employees from keeping guns anywhere on company property.

Bridgestone Bandag's policy is in place "for the safety of all teammates, customers and visitors," according to a summary of the policy emailed to the Reporter-News by Clint House, human resources manager for Bridgestone Bandag in Abilene.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas — one of the city's largest employers — prohibits employees from coming to work with guns.

"This is applicable to all of our property, which would include the parking lot," said Margaret Jarvis, a senior manager for media and public relations.

Climate Change is Real-Al Gore Rocks

New Study Says Climate Change Inevitable, Severity Depends on Current Decision-Making: New research produced by scientists at the University of Calgary and Environment Canada's climate centre at the University of Victoria shows that even if the world stops emitting carbon dioxide right now, it will still be subjected to cataclysmic climate change.

By: Cookie47 on 4/29/11 at 6:29


I'll pick gun rights considering climate change is about as real as Santa and the Easter Bunny. (I hope I didn't just burst your sensitivity bubble by cluing you in that those two characters don't really exist.)

Algore is an IDIOT!!!! Should we be good stewards of the world God gave us, yes, of course. Don't litter and recycle when possible. But when some damn tree hugger tells me we should tax farmers with a bovine tax because their FARTS cause climate change, your argument looses ALL credibility. When it's discovered climate change scientists played with the numbers to make any possible change appear worse than it really is, your argument looses ALL credibility. Save it for your naive friends. It won't cut it with me.

Now, back to Gun Rights. I appreciate the info about the employers that don't allow guns at work, including the parking lot. I really do and I can just imagine your giddiness while typing it. Good job!!! TWO THUMBS UP!!!!! However, none of it effects me. I don't work for those companies. My company doesn't have a policy about guns at work or in the parking lot. Our offices are not in the best part of town. That's what does effect me. I have a 2nd Amendment right as well as a TN handgun carry permit allowing me to legally carry. If you have a problem with that, it's just that, your problem.

By: mg357 on 4/29/11 at 8:57

Cookie; I heartily agree with you. Being a small business owner for years, there were always guns on the premises. My store was broken into twice in spite of an alarm system. Any business that is open to the public should be able to protect themselves and their employees at any given time. People live now in gated communities with armed security on site. It just makes good common sense and has nothing to do with hysteria whatsoever.....mg

By: Ingleweird on 4/29/11 at 9:40

So you live in a guarded and gated community. That may explain your disconnect from society and reality. Nothing to do with hysteria, my patootie. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

By: mg357 on 4/29/11 at 9:57

No Ingle I do not live in a gated community. I live in an average middle class neighborhood of working class people. I have clients and friends that do however live in gated communities which they have the right to do. Gun rights have nothing to do with my choice of residency. My Dad taught all his children at a young age to shoot and handle firearms safely. There were always guns in the house because we hunted . Sportsmen do this type of thing, do you not hunt and fish.......mg

By: Cookie47 on 4/29/11 at 12:11

mg357 wrote: "I'll keep my guns; yall can keep *hope and change.* Have a glorious day."

That's good!!! I like that!!!

IngleWEIRD wrote: "There really should be psychological assessments required for all firearms permits/licenses. Some of you gunners are really loose cannons (sorry, bad pun)."

We're not loose cannons, weird. We're just people who take the protection of our families and selves seriously. I'll be more than happy to let you play the victim. That way you're the target instead of me or my family. It sounds like you prefer to act like one anyway with remarks like "If someone wants to rob me for my wallet, they can go right ahead and rob me." Obviously you've never gone through having a gun shoved in your face. I sincerely hope you don't. It'll rattle the hell out of your nerves if you walk away, knowing just how close you came to dying.

Just remember, weird, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away (average police response time nationwide - 11 MINUTES). Good luck. With the way society is going to hell on a rocket ship, you'll need it.