Neighbors upset about Greyhound relocation

Sunday, June 6, 2010 at 11:45pm

Some neighbors and north Nashville activists have thrown a NIMBY fit with the recent news that the Eighth Avenue Greyhound bus station, which abuts the massive Music City Center footprint downtown, is moving to a temporary location at the corner of 11th Avenue North and Charlotte Avenue.

The site, a former car dealership, is mostly surrounded by industrial tracts and is catty-corner from the Nashville Electric Service’s massive plot. That is to say, officials with Greyhound and Metro government aren’t exactly plopping the bus depot into the middle of a neighborhood or a thriving business district.

But in blog posts and at public meetings, many have argued that the Greyhound station will be a magnet for crime in their area. According to statistics The City Paper obtained from Metro police, it seems they’re right — at least to some degree.

A comparison of crime statistics stretching from Jan. 1, 2009, through May 27 shows that nearly 17 times more crimes and potential criminal activity were phoned in to Metro police from the current Greyhound location than the area around the proposed new one.

Most of the 314 reported incidents at Greyhound involved public intoxications, thefts and assaults. The 19 incidents at the new site were similar in nature.

Obviously there are environmental factors that influence the statistics, the foremost being that the presence of a bus depot increases the volume and flow of people in the area tremendously. And there are more service-industry businesses near the current depot, increasing the likelihood of interaction between Greyhound patrons and others.

In short, Metro police spokeswoman Kristin Mumford said, an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult and imperfect.

“We don’t really feel like the Greyhound station would be a crime magnet,” Mumford said, adding that Central Precinct officers have been consulting with neighborhood groups, Greyhound and Metro officials along the way.

Mumford also said that environmental factors such as the ones cited above accompany any 24-hour business, not just Greyhound.

16 Comments on this post:

By: idgaf on 6/7/10 at 1:50

Don't be surprised if this is really a permanant location. He (Dean) lied to us about the financing so why should he not lie about this site to overcome resistance. Why would "Greyhound" spend almost a half million for a tempory location and lets not forget how the other site was beaten down.

Once it is there it will be harder to get rid of. Keep believing these dems at your own peril.

What other neighborhood would accept the depot with open arms?

By: sumtraveller on 6/7/10 at 6:07

Greyhound isn't paying the $500,000 -- you did, that is the tax payers. Yep, $500k for a temporary relocation.

I'm super happy that my tax dollars went to pay for this to be moved into my area. Love it.

By: Kosh III on 6/7/10 at 6:17

"and is catty-corner from"

It's "cater-cornered"

And who lives next to this? It's all industrial.

By: budlight on 6/7/10 at 6:30

I rode the Greyhound bus from VA to Syracuse, NY to visit my dad when I was 14. I got stranded in NYC in a blizzard that produced 9 feet of snow (or more). Talk about a scared kid. BUT I was safer there than I would be today. Gee, back in those days, people dressed up to ride the bus. How "uncomfortable". Today I'd have to wear shorts or sweats!

Once it is there it will be harder to get rid of. Keep believing these dems at your own peril. Well said idgaf and the Washington crowd is only beginning to spend, spend, spend.

Hey, Kosh, thanks for the thersarus and english lesson.

By: budlight on 6/7/10 at 6:35

Kosh, now can you set people straight on this word: Fort and Forte'

Fort - what soldiers use

Forte' - a musical word

Forte' - a strong characteristic of a person, but pronounced the same as FORT without the te' on the end.

I see the media mispronounce it all the time. The media is ruining our culture's vocabulary.

By: MeretriciousCreation on 6/7/10 at 7:22

@ budlight
Actually, it is less a strong characteristic and more of an actual area of expertise. As in, "Research is not my forte." And it can be pronounced fawrt, fohrt or, fawr-tey, and it refers to the strong part of a blade, it's opposite is foible. (I took fencing in high school)
And "Forte" as it applies to music means to play with force, it is *always* pronounced with emphasis on the last syllable.
It's really a matter of what you grew up with, but given everyone's penchant for adding needless "ethnicity" to words (I hate hearing someone on a cooking show go from flat, accent-free speech to sounding like a bad Italian stereotype when they say "mozarella") perhaps fawr-tey has gained much more popularity.

By: dwtndweller on 6/7/10 at 7:37

For starters, there are hundreds of people who live within 0.4 miles of the "temporary" location that you paid for with your tax dollars. Yes - you are paying for the relocation, not Greyhound.

As a resident of that community, I take issue with the claim that NIMBYism was the force behind the opposition. Apparently when business owners on Murfreesboro Road united to oppose the relocation to their neighborhood, they were justified; families who actually reside in close proximity to the new location suffer from NIMBYism.

Greyhound has actually been the most transparent entity in the entire matter, so the issue is not with Greyhound at all but with the murky circumstances that led to the relocation.

By: nvestnbna on 6/7/10 at 7:46

Sorry guys,

I'm hearing it's headed to Lafayette St / Southern SoBro neighborhood, Nashville's preferred dumping ground and former location of Nashville's largest dept store, two banks, Mercedes-Benz dealership, numerous ad agencies, and photo studios, printing companies - all gone in the last 20 years a the vagrant warehousing industry has taken over.

Ho hum, it's just 75 acres, besides we have the fair grounds, east bank, and the gulch to develop. Not to worry north and east Nashville, Lafayette Street is there to put bus stations, NES substations, and homeless warehouses for registered sex offenders - that's the vision for south Nashville.

By: idgaf on 6/7/10 at 9:12

Wow so 2 of you are saying that the media/government is lying to us again about the 1/2 million. What a big surprise. Anyone that votes for a democrap in Nov should receive a free mental exam.

By: yucchhii on 6/7/10 at 10:28

yucchhii: It doesn't matter what dean is, Democrat OR repblican! All politicians have one thing in common...They're ALL politicians and they will ALL BS you!!! That's what they are there for, to make money and it doesn't matter to them HOW they do it. C'mon people wake up, stop being soooo gullible!! The day I believe a politician is the day I believe the National Enquirer and/or any of the supermarket tabloids!!!

By: howelln on 6/7/10 at 12:43

This property is half mile from MLK Magnet School. Add two blocks to Head Middle School. It is only blocks from Hume Fogg. It is a few blocks from Oasis Center where abandoned and neglected teens are trying to get back on track. The Henry Hale Homes (three bolcks away) are now a neighbothood, not a project. it is two blocks from Marathon Village which has become a thriving business area. Go a few blocks more and you have a number a pricy condos on Ireland Street. This was not very well thought out.

By: howelln on 6/7/10 at 1:30

There is a meeting at downtown TSU tonight at 5:00. (This was missing from the article.) I plan to be there with a full tilt NIMBY fit.
And Kosh, it is "catty corner" or "kitty corner" according to Webster's. A cater-cousin is a close friend. Maybe you had that confused. Another thing you have confused is that hunderds of people live within a mile of the site.

By: howelln on 6/7/10 at 3:17

And budlight, forte` can be pronounced either way when referring to a strength. Does no one check the dictionary anymore?

By: budlight on 6/7/10 at 4:22

Howelln, I would not have even commented had I not already READ the dictionary. How rude of you to imply that I did not.

The word has been "denigraged" (Usage writers have denigrated) to the point of NOT using the original ending. See below:
Main Entry: 1forte Pronunciation: \ˈfȯrt; 2 is often ˈfȯr-ˌtā or fȯr-ˈtā or ˈfȯr-tē\
Function: noun Etymology: French fort, from fort, adjective, strong
Date: circa 1648
1 : the part of a sword or foil blade that is between the middle and the hilt and that is the strongest part of the blade
2 : one's strong point

usage In forte we have a word derived from French that in its “strong point” sense has no entirely satisfactory pronunciation. Usage writers have denigrated \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯr-tē\ because they reflect the influence of the Italian-derived 2forte. Their recommended pronunciation \ˈfȯrt\, however, does not exactly reflect French either: the French would write the word le fort and would rhyme it with English for. So you can take your choice, knowing that someone somewhere will dislike whichever variant you choose. All are standard, however. In British English \ˈfȯ-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯt\ predominate; \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \fȯr-ˈtā\ are probably the most frequent pronunciations in American English.

By: budlight on 6/7/10 at 4:27

MeretriciousCreation on 6/7/10 at 8:22

Thanks for those comments Meret! You too, Howelln. I was just joking about the "Rude" - should have noted that in my comment. Sorry! Proofreading before I "send" is not my "forte". Or "fawr-tey" (lol).

By: RickTNRebel on 6/13/10 at 12:06

I rode the Bus to Texas and back in Nov. It's the first time I had been on a bus since the early '70s. It was a good experience! The crime around the bus station was because of predators that hung around the station preying on those traveling. I hate to see the station leave downtown as I believe more and more people will start using more public transportation like Buses, trains and possibly a River Taxi service (Ferry).
I do understand the attitude of downtown property owners. They are celebrating the victory of getting the station out of their step closer to getting rid of the mission. You should come downtown and watch how merchants treat old people in these stores and businesses...a lot of us are not homeless, we're just old and live downtown, but we get treated the same way they treat the homeless: with contempt, distain and indignity. It seems since the economy took a dive, they look to blame their property value losses on the homeless. The flood dropped those values even more...Most units in the veridian were purchased as an investment and never lived in. They will probably never be worth what was paid for them initially, no matter how much you try to "clean up" downtown. The days of urban sprawl are over and people are more than likely going to return to public transportation and centralized business districts. We need the Bus station and the new carriers, downtown.