Report: 287(g) undermines public safety in Davidson County

Thursday, August 12, 2010 at 1:43pm

A new report and survey released by a national Hispanic advocacy group suggests Davidson County’s controversial 287(g) program undermines public safety and exacerbates the fear Nashville’s Latino community has of law enforcement.

The federal 287(g) program, first implemented in Nashville beginning in April 2007, authorizes local governments to screen arrested individuals to detect illegal immigrants before beginning deportation proceedings. So far, more than 7,700 individuals have been processed through the program in Nashville.

Davidson County Sheriff Daron Hall has been an outspoken supporter of the program, arguing the approach has been effective in decreasing crime among illegal immigrants.

But a report from the National Council of La Raza claims 287(g) has in fact been ineffective in decreasing crime. The study says the program has too often led to the arrests of people who have no criminal background and the detention of individuals for offenses such as traffic stops and playing loud music.

The report goes further, suggesting Nashville’s Latino residents are often deterred from reporting criminal incidents to law enforcement officials because of potential consequences for doing so.

A survey conducted in Davidson County found that 42 percent of Latino respondents said they knew of a crime but had not reported it to Metro police out of fear of deportation.

The survey also found 54 percent of Latinos in Davidson County would not report a crime altogether, compared with 27 percent of African-Americans who would not. According to the report, the Latino and black respondents share similar economic backgrounds and living situations.

“The real significant finding of this report is to shed light on the impact of the program on fear of the community, and the undermining of public safety for all Davidson County residents,” said Stephen Fotopulos, executive director of the Tennessee Immigration and Refugee Rights Coalition, during a teleconference with reporters. 

A message left with the sheriff's office was not immediately returned. 

66 Comments on this post:

By: slzy on 8/12/10 at 11:55

here is another report: the vast majority of legal residents want the illegals grabbed by the scruff of the neck,kicked in their backsides back over the border with the message "don't come back".

By: Magnum on 8/12/10 at 12:25

So what was the baseline of comparison for the survey? In other words, what percent of Latinos say they would report a crime in a similar city (and similar economic backgrounds) that does not participate in the 287(g) program. Yes, 54% percent sounds high, but is that specific to Nashville and the fact that we employ this program? Or is it simply the sentiment of the Latino community in general? Without a baseline of comparison, this survey is useless.

By: Cookie47 on 8/12/10 at 12:51

I agree with Slzy but with one small addition. Put snipers on the border and shoot them if they do try to come back.

We also need to eliminate the "anchor baby" crap. They aren't American citizens so send them all back with their illegal parents. Hell, for that matter, send the Americans that marry these criminals back with their illegal partners. Sounds like a good punishment - banishment to a third-world country.

And don't call me racist. I'm just sick and tired of this trash taking and taking and taking instead of doing something to fix their own problems back south of the border. Kick them out and keep them out.

Cookie47

By: FLeFew on 8/12/10 at 1:55

From a proud legal French-American!

If the latino community fears the police, they must be illegal. Go Home.

By: parris001 on 8/12/10 at 2:07

Typically, those who fear law enforcement have something to hide. And if these folks are here in the country illegally, they have every right to fear being kicked out. Adios muchachos.......

By: Cookie47 on 8/12/10 at 3:18

Simply put - happiness is a southbound illegal. GO HOME AND DON'T COME BACK!!!!!!

Cookie47

By: EddieA on 8/12/10 at 6:07

According to US population statistics and dispersion, in the year 2040, people of Hispanic descent will have the largest voting population in America. The census for this year is expected to show less than four million Native Americans.

By: nashmusic2244 on 8/12/10 at 6:36

I am SO tired of Latinos, Latino clergy and groups like Fotopolous' instilling fear and claiming that the program is about targeting Latinos and preventing or deterring Latinos from trusting police and not wanting to report crimes.

The program is to identify, detain, process and turn over illegal immigrants REGARDLESS of where they came from or their color or what they speak to the federal government.

It is a shame and utterly appalling that these groups continue bashing and legitimizing illegal immigration with baseless claims and interjecting fear or reprisal or that the sheriff targets Latinos.

Point IS VERY SIMPLE. If you are in Davidson County, Nashville, TN (USA) ILLEGALLY you are committing a crime!!!

(2) If you are arrested for a crime, you will be processed through the approved, sanctioned and accepted ICE database to determine your status.

Word of advice: If you are here illegally and there is NO DOUBT YOU ALREADY know that, pack some of your things or none and return to your country. Go through the legal process of entering the USA and that is it!

Enough with the rhetoric, the scare-tactics, the calling of names of people enforcing the law and those Americans who want to stop illegal immigration. I am one of them!!

Eddie Garcia

By: WickedTribe on 8/12/10 at 8:54

"If the latino community fears the police, they must be illegal. Go Home."

Exactly. Going by this survey, 54% of the Latinos in Nashville are illegal immigrants we need to get rid of in the first place.

By: nashmusic2244 on 8/12/10 at 10:54

WickedTribe

Excellent point!

Eddie

By: KBrooks on 8/13/10 at 5:35

Some background on LaRaza, was in order here to provide a bit of perspective and context to why they care and why it matters who they are in evaluating their survey .Not even a hyperlink so folks could read for themselves what their goal actually is: http://nclr.org

By: JoanM on 8/13/10 at 6:16

I wish the media would stop giving these illegal organizations free advertisement! They thrive on getting their name in the news. We don't really care what illegals say - that goes for ALL illegals and not just the Latinos - they have NO rights until they are legal. Period. End of story.

By: Kosh III on 8/13/10 at 6:24

Let's start by kicking out or imprisoning all the outlaw employers who hire these people. Then fix the border, then worry about the hard working people who have risked their life to come here and join the American dream.

An "anchor baby" must be 21 years old before any relative(parent or otherwise) can be sponsored as a legal alien. It's a manufactured problem by the Republicans who want us to be distracted from the fact that 8 years of Bush nearly destroyed our economy and drove us deep into debt.

By: budlight on 8/13/10 at 6:26

If I rob a bank, I"m afraid of the cops; if I kill someone, I'm afraid of the cops; and if I sneak into a country with NO LEGAL PAPERS, you bet 'cha, I'm afraid.

BUT if I have my green card, passport or other legal authorization to be in another country, ie, US, then NO FREEKING PROBLEM.

South Americans are also afraid of their own country's police force. They need to get a grip. American cops do not even come close to the abusive forces in south america.

By: budlight on 8/13/10 at 6:28

Kosh III on 8/13/10 at 7:24
Let's start by kicking out or imprisoning all the outlaw employers who hire these people. Then fix the border, then worry about the hard working people who have risked their life to come here and join the American dream.

I agree with this statement. Kosh, why don't private citizens "investigate" and turn these companies in? And I have read about raids at these companies. Do they get fines? OR jail time?

By: budlight on 8/13/10 at 6:30

And Kosh, America loves Immigrants. BUT NOT ILL-EAGLES!

I love people who win the lottery; not bank robbers. I love people who fight for a real common cause and win. BUT NOT ILL-EAGLES!

By: cleaner on 8/13/10 at 6:32

What a crock. I have no doubt that 287(g) program exacerbates the fear Nashville’s Latino community. If you are a criminal you should fear that the law will be enforced. It seems Mr. Joey Garrison and the report from the National Council of La Raza does not consider the 7,000 plus deported as criminal. What part of legal do these people not understand? Entering our country illegally is a crime……. We should not let this crime go just because we have allowed thousands to break the law. It is time to right a wrong that is enforcing the federal law. Why don’t these people crying about the criminals put as much in to supporting those that have chosen to follow the rules and enter legally? How about their right to be treat fairly

By: Siobhanne on 8/13/10 at 6:39

If America had the same citizenship rules as other countries (no birthright citizenship.. hence no anchor babies) and the same rules regarding illegals..( long prison terms in horrible prisons) then America would have the same problems as they do with hoards of illegal immigrants which would be not nearly as much. Women who come here to have anchor babies don't give a flip about becoming a legal citizen... they just want the benefits that come with the anchor baby: Medical care, WIC, Welfare, and now.. financial aid for college all compliments of American citizens who are legally employed and pay taxes. Employers who hire illegals shoud be held criminally as well as civilly liable. Legal immigrants are completely welcome.

By: wataboutbob on 8/13/10 at 6:44

KOSH III - you started out so good and then throw in irrelevant jibberish about Republicans and the economy. ??
Since you're obviously a Democrat you will soon be favoring amnesty for the illegals in order to tote the Obama line.

By: govskeptic on 8/13/10 at 6:48

Why would this paper along with our other local newspaper start this story with the misleading point of making it appear that this was something national? It was a local suvey of 100 hispanics by a "Local branch" of a National organization. Distorted Press Releases being shown as news in spite of the National and local Chambers of Commerce and the nations media all encouraging this flood of new residence (for dollar purposes) is just wrong for so many reasons. And then heads are scratched over why are the citizens not buying our products! Update: NEWSWEEK Magazine was sold last week for One ($1.00) dollar with buyer assuming all debt.

By: girliegirl on 8/13/10 at 7:18

It's not necessarily companies hiring them...it's individuals as well. Take for instance my friends in the Brentwood district. They pay house cleaning staff $20 cash per person per hour. That's more money (take home pay) than most lawyers make these days. LOL Plus, they will not pay taxes on food or anything else, just like we won't when we travel outside the USA. So if you add this all up, they receive free education, tax-free food, free medical care, etc..... And they shoved legal immigrant applicants out of the way to get it in the first place.

By: JeffF on 8/13/10 at 7:19

I am curious...which group came up with the strategy of attacking employers as a way to distract people from seeing the invasion? I agree that employers should be punished and held accountable but there is always one person who will insist on holding the gringo to task in order to mean to the invaders.

Just something I noticed while reading these news boards.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 7:26

strategy? it's not a strategy. the employers are breaking the law and should be held accountable.

By: skeptic1 on 8/13/10 at 7:31

Great point, govskeptic! You too, Siobhanne! Hey City Paper, what else do you think a Latino ADVOCACY group is going to say was the result of their survey? This is not newsworthy and certainly not an unbiased journalistic report. If they were honest, this so-called advocacy group should be paying for an ad. Now look at these two staterments...54% of the Latinos surveyed would not report a crime and Latinos don't report crimes because they are afraid of being deported. Can I logically assume that 54% of the Latinos surveyed are illegals that could be deported? LMAO We don't need another Mexico City here...a culture of drug dealers, gangs, kidnappings and murders! We have enough homegrown criminals. I believe 7700 deported is just a drop in the bucket and I wish Sheriff Hall the best of luck. He is doing an admirable job for the taxpaying citizens of Davidson County!

By: watabout_bob@co... on 8/13/10 at 8:35

Jeff - the employers are more responsible for the "invasion" than the invaders. Supply and demand. The illegals are just filling the demand. Loew's, for example, has a horrible record for openly hiring illegals throughout the US and even going so far as recruiting in Mexico and assisting organizations that cater to the needs of illegals such as providing false documentation. They've actually enticed them to come to the US with the promise of employment. Who is really responsible for the invasion, the employers.

There are similar aspects with our drug problem. Why do we blame the suppliers and expend 90% of our "war on drugs" effort towards them? The main source of the problem is the users, the 'demand' aspect. Without the demand for drugs there would be no suppliers and no more problem.

By: morpheus120 on 8/13/10 at 9:25

Cookie, you don't get to talk about getting snipers on the border to shoot people and to say that "anchor babies" WHO ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS have to go to a foreign country against they and their parents will... and then say that you're not racist.

YOU ARE A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT, COOKIE47. Man up and accept what you are instead of lying to all of us. Oh and you obviously are un-American too since you don't respect our Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

America - love it or leave it, you fascist!

By: morpheus120 on 8/13/10 at 9:33

JeffF says: "I am curious...which group came up with the strategy of attacking employers as a way to distract people from seeing the invasion? I agree that employers should be punished and held accountable but there is always one person who will insist on holding the gringo to task in order to mean to the invaders."

And there you go. That's how right-wing Republicans get off the hook for trying to actually solve the immigration issue. Typical conservative - go stick up for the wealthy criminals who are the ones creating the problem and then blame it on someone else. Doing the same thing on the economy too.

By: morpheus120 on 8/13/10 at 9:50

And wow, "Girliegirl" - what an idiot you are! You said:

They pay house cleaning staff $20 cash per person per hour. That's more money (take home pay) than most lawyers make these days. LOL

Why are your rich Brentwood friends paying $20/hour per person to Mexicans (who you have no idea whether they are "legal" or not) instead of to someone you find more acceptable? I guess they're willing to pay top dollar for them. Maybe they work harder than Americans? Maybe the Americans in Williamson County are ABOVE doing that kind of work or are too lazy (probably the latter since most in Brentwood are Republicans). Either way, the service that hired those folks are part of the problem. So are your spoiled white Brentwood friends. If they put their foot down and said "we will only hire Americans" (like I have done), then there would be no jobs for them and they would not come here. Your friends are responsible for the problem and you should turn them and their housekeepers in if you truly want to stand by your principles.

Then, you go on about how "they will not pay taxes on food or anything else" and "if you add this all up, they receive free education, tax-free food, free medical care, etc.

NOBODY gets "tax free" food unless they are on government assistance or food stamps - which only American citizens can get. "Free education"? Where? Public school? Why wouldn't American-born children be allowed to get a public education, Girlie? And "free medical care"? Only if you go to the emergency room. And that means poor white people getting it too, idiot.

Then you say, "and they shoved legal immigrant applicants out of the way to get it in the first place".

What the hell are you talking about? What legal immigrant applicants were "shoved out of the way"? This statement doesn't even make any sense. Why don't you get your illiterate ass back to school and learn how to form a coherent thought before you worry about what other people may or may not be getting?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 10:13

oh, snap.

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 10:16

morpheous120,

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868 to make sure the freed slaves were RIGHTFULLY made citizens of this country and given ALL rights accordingly. At the very least, it should be revised to STOP its use allowing these damn ILLEGALS from coming across our border then being able to stay simply because they had a baby here.

A racist is a person that dislikes someone simply due to their race, religion, or sexual orientation. I'm no racist. I dislike people that break the law and a government that does NOTHING to stop them. That's not being a racist, A-HOLE!!! That's called being a CITIZEN and expecting my government to DO ITS DAMN JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I am is an American citizen that's sick and DAMN tired of seeing my country invaded by these leaches!!! What part of ILLEGAL do you NOT understand?!?

I question YOUR patriotism because you're either willing to turn a blind eye or, even worse, support these damn illegals breaking our laws. Perhaps you're one of these damn illegals. Perhaps you're stupidly married to one.

READ CLOSELY, MORON: You can call me all the names you wish. It matters not to me. Coming from the likes of you means even less because you, sir, are a TRAITOR if you support these illegals. It's time for you and people like you to MAN UP and do all you can to make our government enforce our immigration laws.

YES, I advocate securing the border whether that be a wall, land mines, unmanned drones, snipers, or a combination of all. Read Mexico's laws on illegals in their country then get over yourself!!!!!!!

YES, I advocate kicking every damn one of these ILLEGALS out. They can take their "anchor babies" and, as far as I'm concerned, the idiots they may have married while here. Goodbye!!! Good Riddance!!! BE GONE!!!!! THE SOONER THE BETTER!!!!!

YES, I advocate the American people forcing our panty-waste government to enforce our immigration laws totally. THESE A-HOLES WORK FOR US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!! THEY SHOULD EITHER DO THEIR JOB OR GET FIRED!!!!!!!

YES, I advocate STOPPING the "anchor baby" crap plaguing this country. IT'S TIME TO STOP IT IN ITS TRACTS - NOW.

Now, MORON PUKE, which is it? Are you an illegal, related to one, or married to one?

Cookie47

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 10:21

Cookie, how many employers have you turned in?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 10:24

Focus on the employers and repealing NAFTA.

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 10:27

Blanketnazi,

Two. Both landscaping companies. What else happened? I have no idea.

Cookie47

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 10:34

did you try following up?

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 10:35

God, morpheous120, from your posts to us here, you obviously hate everything and everyone around you. You blame people who have worked for what they have for your own problems and feeble excuse of self-worth. You probably hate your job. You probably hate your husband/wife/partner. You probably hate your parents because they either loved you too much or spanked you when you needed it. POOR, BABY!!!!

In short, God, you're pathetic!!!

Cookie47

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 10:38

BlanketNazi,

One company went out of business, probably just to reopen under another name. The other just disappeared.

I agree the employers should be held responsible as well but it also takes a government willing to prosecute as well.

Cookie47

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 10:43

Morpheous120,

I'll admit "snipers" where a little extreme but, you have to remember, even the desert varmints have to eat.

Have I pissed you off yet? God, I hope so!!!

Cookie47

By: gohomenow on 8/13/10 at 11:41

Drug dealers don't call Police when they kill each other either - should we ignore those laws too ?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 11:48

WWJD, cookie. just remember that.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 11:53

i think you're also miffed that Morpheus made some very valid points.

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 12:02

BlanketNazi,

Jesus would probably tell me to calm down and cool off. I have but I'm fed up with a government that does nothing to protect our borders and wants to give common criminals amnesty for no other reason than they want their votes.

This is NOT a REPUBLICAN-DEMOCRAT thing as people like morpheous120 want to make it. Yes, my suggestions read as extreme but, in the absence of our government doing their job, frustration got the better of me. For that, I apologize to all here. Well, except for Morpheous120.

I don't hate anyone for any reason and I'm sure as hell not a racist. Again, I'm just fed up with a government that does nothing but screw things up from both sides of the aisle. I can't blame someone for wanting to come to the greatest country in the world and make their life better. Just do it right and LEGAL.

Cookie47

By: BEOWULF on 8/13/10 at 12:05

BEOWULF: "...study says the program has too often led to the arrests of people who have no criminal background and the detention of individuals for offenses such as traffic stops and playing loud music."

HELLO? If they are here illegally, that's an automatic criminal background! Illegal ~ criminal - What's the difference?
>Send them all back. >Seal the borders. >Use armed force to keep them out. >Enforce the immigration laws.

>IMPEACH b. hussein o. FOR NOT UPHOLDING THE LAWS OF THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: BEOWULF on 8/13/10 at 12:06

BEOWULF: "...study says the program has too often led to the arrests of people who have no criminal background and the detention of individuals for offenses such as traffic stops and playing loud music."

HELLO? If they are here illegally, that's an automatic criminal background! Illegal ~ criminal - What's the difference?
>Send them all back. >Seal the borders. >Use armed force to keep them out. >Enforce the immigration laws.

>IMPEACH b. hussein o. FOR NOT UPHOLDING THE LAWS OF THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: nashmusic2244 on 8/13/10 at 12:08

Great breakfast conversation.

As the eloquent male stranger who approached our table this morning stated, "What undermines public safety is the legitimizing and accepting of illegal immigrants roaming around our community."

Commendations to the sheriff for taking on a controversial issue, but one that is warranted.

Eddie

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 12:24

Beowulf, did you want to impeach Bush for the same reason? i agree that this is not a republican-democrat thing but our government once again giving into the needs of the wealthy and the large corporations by not enforcing the laws on our books.

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 12:39

Come on, BlanketNazi, you know as well as I that this isn't just the wealthy and large corporations. It's also BOTH sides pandering to a whole new voter base. They want the votes and are willing to bend, break, and smash the hell out of any laws necessary to make it happen.

Reagan should NEVER have given them amnesty in '86. Yes, on illegal immigration, Bush should have been impeached but, if you're going by that standard, ALL of Congress should have been kicked out as well.

Cookie47

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 12:43

Cookie, i was agreeing with you that it goes on both sides of the aisle and yes, it is the wealthy and the large corporations that have the most to gain. why do you think nothing gets done about it? and i'm sure the voter base comes into it too (remember when Bush was on the campaign trail and stumped in Spanish?) IMHO the folks here illegally are economic refugees. heck, admit it - if you lived there and couldn't feed and house your family you'd probably do the same thing. i'm not saying we need to offer amnesty, but just from a humanistic standpoint i feel compassion for these people.

By: Cookie47 on 8/13/10 at 12:54

Compassion is one thing but there comes a point time when it's necessary to stand up and do something about the problems back home, make their own country a place they WANT TO BE rather a place they WANT TO FLEE.

IMHO, they need to go back then come in LEGALLY. It'll take time but it's got to be better than living in the shadows. If they could learn how to drive and speak English before coming back, that would be a HUGE plus as well.

Cookie47

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 12:56

so when i hear people discussing a group of disadvantaged and desperate folks in the form of wanting to blow them up with landmines or use snipers to shoot them like wild animals, yeah - i get really offended. that does not make me unpatriotic nor does it mean that i want to give them amnesty. it makes me human. and it means that i understand their predicament and would like to find a good solution - something that works for both them and our citizens.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/13/10 at 12:58

you don't think they're trying to improve their government? do you know the history of how many wars they've had and how many of their presidents have been overthrown or assasinated? it's not like the people there aren't trying. and it doesn't give us an excuse to not be compassionate. as far as them being here legally, we need to revise our immigration laws. there is no reason why it should take 7 years for a seasonal worker to come here legally. that's ridiculous.