Wine-in-groceries bill killed in House committee, could resurface

Tuesday, March 12, 2013 at 3:51pm
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House Speaker Beth Harwell and Republican colleagues game plan with bill sponsor Rep. Jon Lundberg moments before a surprise vote killed the bill. (Andrea Zelinski/SouthComm)

Updated 4:35 p.m.

Proponents of wine in grocery stores had a bit of a buzz going into a House committee Tuesday only to be sobered later when their legislative effort to put the issue before voters was shot down.

With House Speaker Beth Harwell ready to cast the deciding vote, the decision fell on a 8-7 vote in the House Local Government Committee, rendering her vote useless to break a tie.

“I’m disappointed because I think the people of this state deserve an opportunity to vote on this issue,” said Harwell after the vote, which would have been the second time she had tried to influence the bill’s outcome this year.

“The bottom line is that clearly, overwhelmingly the majority of Tennesseans would like the opportunity to vote on this issue. I wish that would have been the outcome today. It wasn’t. I respect the committee system,” she said.

Rep. Jon Lundberg (R-Bristol), the longtime sponsor of the push to permit wine sales in grocery stores, said he’s unsure whether he’ll try to push forward with alternative bills to restart the measure. But he added the vote in committee was always narrow.

“It fluctuated almost every time somebody got up to use the restroom, really,” Lundberg said.

Lundberg had been counting on a close vote and said he was surprised that committee Chairman Matthew Hill (R-Jonesborough) changed his vote from last week’s “yes” vote in a subcommittee to this week’s rejection.

Hill said he was “frustrated” Lundberg and the committee were pushing forward with the bill without taking up a series of amendments some lawmakers wanted in.

“I know there’s a lot of angry people out there and I’m sorry that they’re angry. But do they really want us to pass bad law?” Hill said. “No, of course they don’t.”

State Rep. Sherry Jones (D-Nashville) was also a vote Lundberg said he was counting on. She left midway through the committee to attend a hearing in a committee next door about the Department of Children’s Services.

Jones said she isn’t sure how she would have voted, but said it was more of a priority to attend the DCS hearing than vote on the wine-in-grocery-stores referendum bill.

Earlier, in the Senate, lawmakers managed to add a handful of amendments to the bill to accommodate various stakeholders signing on with the bill.

The bill made its way out of several smaller committees this year, which is the furthest it has ever advanced on the Hill.

“This puts it to bed hopefully for good but at least for this year,” said Chip Christianson, vice president of legislative affairs for the Tennessee Wine & Spirits Association which has opposed the proposal. “It’s never gotten out of committee period before, and the tactic of bringing up the referendum was a novel approach.”

Jarron Springer, president of the Tennessee Grocers & Convenience Store Association, said, “We are very disappointed that the House Local Government Committee has chosen not to pass legislation that would allow for local referendums on the sale of wine in retail food stores, especially considering the significant movement so far toward passing the legislation.

“This decision is especially disappointing coming on top of the Senate Finance, Ways and Means Committee’s decision earlier this morning to defer the bill after they voted to create a subcommittee to review possible amendments and spur all sides to come to the table for negotiations.”

Springer added that his group would continue its work to put the issue before Tennessee voters.

While the committee killed the bill, the measure isn’t necessarily dead for the year. Lawmakers could try to insert the language into another bill to start over or the committee could reconsider its actions.

53 Comments on this post:

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/12/13 at 1:57

Seriously? Who got paid off?

By: Rasputin72 on 3/12/13 at 2:05

This is a great victory for great great grandparents,great grandparents,grandparents,parents, children and grandchildren of the wholesale liquor families.

By: Jughead on 3/12/13 at 2:19

I hate these pukes. We all want it, and they protect a small group who pay them off. Dirty bastards....someone needs to post the names of those who voted against it.

By: TJSnodgrass on 3/12/13 at 2:21

They've been selling wine in stores for years now, it's just been more of a do-it-yourself kit... Google "milk jug wine". The same works for cider and other juices (though you'll probably prefer a yeast specifically designed for brewing).

The next step up is brewing your own. Go to All-Seasons Garden & Brewing Supply Co in Nashville, drop $200 on the necessary hardware (fermenter, two carbuoys, airlocks, hose, and a few other odds and ends). Then you can start making your own wine 6 gallons at a time, for roughly $3 a bottle, and it's the equivalent of a decent $10 store-bought wine.

Make your own. Or buy direct from local wineries/breweries. Or have wine shipped to you. Make a conscious effort to bypass the TN liquor stores. Just because you can't buy wine in grocery stores, doesn't mean you have to buy it from them.

By: TJSnodgrass on 3/12/13 at 2:21

They've been selling wine in stores for years now, it's just been more of a do-it-yourself kit... Google "milk jug wine". The same works for cider and other juices (though you'll probably prefer a yeast specifically designed for brewing).

The next step up is brewing your own. Go to All-Seasons Garden & Brewing Supply Co in Nashville, drop $200 on the necessary hardware (fermenter, two carbuoys, airlocks, hose, and a few other odds and ends). Then you can start making your own wine 6 gallons at a time, for roughly $3 a bottle, and it's the equivalent of a decent $10 store-bought wine.

Make your own. Or buy direct from local wineries/breweries. Or have wine shipped to you. Make a conscious effort to bypass the TN liquor stores. Just because you can't buy wine in grocery stores, doesn't mean you have to buy it from them.

By: govskeptic on 3/12/13 at 3:57

No surprise here, this ole Committee, subcommittee, vote trading and games playing
has gone on in the State House for years. Naifeh was a pro at it and Speaker Harwell
was a student for years of the system. Notice it's always a Representative from some
small town and away from the Nashville area and media that throws the rotten apple
into the barrel.

Last year the price on wine in the liquor stores immediately jumped a buck or more
per bottle immediately after the bill failed. Why: to start the fund for this year's fight.
The Retailers spokesman stated: "The public just doesn't understand all the
ramifications on this change". Sorry, Chip, we know the ramifications and the game.

By: JeffF on 3/12/13 at 4:03

Not a Republican, it was Sherry Jones who found herself conveniently in another room in order to prevent her from being pinned down by a vote. She has taken thousands from the wholesaler lobby over the years and when they needed her to be elsewhere she made sure she was there.

By: TigerFan on 3/12/13 at 7:56

I smell good ole Southern corruption. I just can't believe this. I just moved here from another State and was shocked that folks can't buy wine and hard liquor at your everyday stores. How else is TN going to compete with the other average states and set expectations to be a growing progressive state if we keep living in the past!

Who the heck keeps voting these old fools back in term?

By: ancienthighway on 3/12/13 at 10:20

TJSnodgrass suggests "Or have wine shipped to you. Make a conscious effort to bypass the TN liquor stores." Unless the winery has a state permit ($300, $150 annual fee, plus bond) it is a felony punishable by 1-2 years jail time for the shipper.

Because of these protection laws, Tennesseans will pay 21% to 40% more for the same bottle of wine that residents of other states enjoy.

Given the choice between wine in grocery stores and a DCS hearing, I believe Jones made the right choice. It's a shame Lundberg wasn't aware of the conflict and try to have voting moved up or delayed.

By: Loner on 3/13/13 at 6:12

Good morning, Nashville.

The special interests trumped the general interest, once again. The fix was in. Specifically, I would blame two lawmakers for "changing their minds", so to speak, at the last minute: I would target both Sherry Jones and Matthew Hill.

From the article: "Lundberg had been counting on a close vote and said he was surprised that committee Chairman Matthew Hill (R-Jonesborough) changed his vote from last week’s “yes” vote in a subcommittee to this week’s rejection.....State Rep. Sherry Jones (D-Nashville) was also a vote Lundberg said he was counting on. She left midway through the committee to attend a hearing in a committee next door about the Department of Children’s Services." (End Quote)

Both Jones and Hill had their publicized "good reasons" for their actions...we can assume that there were undisclosed real reasons for their change of heart....Kerching!

Both Jones and Hill should be made into object lessons for the other scumbags...throw the dirty birds out....clean the coop.

By: Loner on 3/13/13 at 6:25

Prices for wine and spirits will now increase, to cover the bribery costs...the people of TN, not the liquor store owners, will continue to finance the scheme that has ripped them off for years and will continue to screw them for years to come...it's similar to making the family of a firing squad victim pay for the bullets used....it sadistically rubs salt into the wound.

By: govskeptic on 3/13/13 at 6:33

Loner:

I must say ole chap, you have read that situation exactly right. Mrs. Jones absences
was a "No" vote without being recorded as such. Chairman Hill's change of vote
to No from last week's Yes vote was not a surprise to the committee members as
it was to the public and opposition. This little maneuver was orchestrated ahead of
time by a majority within. Speaker Harwell is not an innocent bystander as one
might perceive. Having appointed Mr. Hill as Chairman of that committee there's
no way he voted the way he did without her knowledge and likely approval.

So, the most powerful lobby in this state over the last 50+ years, that represents
the fewest, has shown their force once again. Never bet against "The Golden Goose"

By: Loner on 3/13/13 at 6:51

Again, we share some common ground, Gov.

Mrs. Jones has her "good reason" for her dereliction of duty on the wine bill...she did it, "FOR THE CHILDREN". Jones can now claim that she occupied some higher moral ground; while actually selling out her constituents...what a supreme hypocrite....check the parking lots...Hill and Jones may soon be driving expensive new vehicles.

By: anie7781 on 3/13/13 at 7:36

Time to vote with your wallet. I doubt liquor/wine stores will miss my business, but I'm personally going to make every effort to either buy directly from the manufacturer (Corsair, George Dickel, etc) or simply stock up when I visit in-laws in Kentucky. I encourage others to do the same.

Absurd.

By: kevin47881 on 3/13/13 at 7:38

I travel weekly to KY and AL on business. Up until now I have always resisted the urge to purchase alcohol there in order to keep taxes in TN. All of my alcohol, including beer, will now be made out of state. I encourage all others who travel to consider the option. Screw the local liquor stores every way possible. They've been screwing us long enough. Break it off inside of them.

By: shoreg on 3/13/13 at 8:08

I am sickened by this. Tennessee representatives disappoints me again. Know that those who voted against this get all their liquor free and all for their family and friends, either outright or by being paid off. Shame, shame, shame on them and their families. No more purchasing of liquor in Tennessee for me. I am done, and I recommend the rest of Tennesseans who feel as I do to do the same. What an embarrassment we are to the rest of the Nation.

By: shankm on 3/13/13 at 8:10

Another fine example of the popularly elected oligarchs ignoring the wishes of the people. Not allowing voters the opportunity to decide this issue themselves at the local level is as offensive as it gets. To be sure, these are the same pricks that we'll be harping on about our lost of freedom whenever the spineless one (aka the governor of Tennessee) considers medicaid expansion in the state. The hypocrisy is enough to make me puke in their shoes. That's democracy in the TN General ASSembly. Cherish it!

By: pipecarver on 3/13/13 at 8:15

Rather than point fingers at specific "scape goats," the bottom line is THE ENTIRE GROUP FAILED. Their only task was to study, then craft a piece of legislation that could be put forth for The Citizens of The State of Tennessee to vote on next election. Yes, just come to an agreement on how to word a few paragraphs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Trying to digest and discern all of these "immediate votes" is like trying to guess the outcome of the shell game on the jumbo-tron at the ball park. It's a magic act designed, by nature, to fool the public into thinking that we, the taxpayers, are paying for a service that is being performed. The truth of the matter is that the service IS NOT BEING PERFORMED. They want us to think they are doing their jobs, but they are not.

The only way to fix the problem is to fire the entire sub-committee, and start over. Why? Because next time the so-called "elected officials" charged with successfully writing a simple piece of legislation (thus allowing The Citizens of The State of Tennessee to vote on such a controversial subject) will take their assignment more seriously.

By: daytonsdarwin on 3/13/13 at 8:16

The Tennessee Liquor Mafia and their bought-and-paid-for sycophants! Here's what to do.

Buy all alcoholic beverages from out-of-state or through internet sources.

Make your own. Wine, beer, and distilled products are easily made in home. While illegal to make distilled spirits, it's not immoral. Plenty of good literature on distillation on the internet.

Give up booze and start buying pot. Marijuana is less dangerous, avoids the tax man and the liquor mob, and is easily grown at home. Again, illegal is not necessarily immoral.

Don't depend on the government for your beverages of choice. Strangle the mob — don't buy their products. Learn the simple skills necessary to take care of yourself and give the finger to the booze mafia.

By: NewYorker1 on 3/13/13 at 8:18

I'll be sooooo happy when all those old people in our local and federal governments die off. Why haven't these people retired yet? It's time for the younger generation to take over and start making these decisions.

By: NewYorker1 on 3/13/13 at 8:18

I'll be sooooo happy when all those old people in our local and federal governments die off. Why haven't these people retired yet? It's time for the younger generation to take over and start making these decisions.

By: NewYorker1 on 3/13/13 at 8:18

I'll be sooooo happy when all those old people in our local and federal governments die off. Why haven't these people retired yet? It's time for the younger generation to take over and start making these decisions.

By: Blip on 3/13/13 at 8:19

Government by the lobbies, for the lobbies, bought and sold, the people have nothing to do with it. We did not elect representatives. We elected sellers of votes. Sixty-seven percent of Tennesseans want wine in grocery stores. These jerks won't even let us vote on it. We're a third rate state, governed by Republicans who don't believe in free markets and capitalism.

By: Loner on 3/13/13 at 8:28

It's time to man some signage, people...time to picket the legislative chambers...time to picket the liquor stores themselves.....time to start honking horns again....time for the local DJ's to raise a ruckus on the local airwaves....don't take this crap lying down once again....get up and fight....the bribed politicians and the coddled liquor store thugs would cave in quickly, if enough people got up off their asses and manned some signage...

Screw the Guvmint. Buy Moonshine.

Make up some signs, honk your horns....this is governmental tyranny....rise up!

By: blitz on 3/13/13 at 8:36

Looks like Chairman Matthew Hill (R-Jonesborough) was the one who got paid off changing his vote at the last minute to kill the bill. You should be ashamed Matt

By: BigPapa on 3/13/13 at 8:38

Corruption is corruption, not just "Southern" corruption.. but yeah.. they are bought and paid for, sherry jones being the worst offender because she didn't even have the guts to vote.

By: BigPapa on 3/13/13 at 8:40

Remember this vote the next a GOP candidate ridicules the left for their "nanny state" position.

By: Worriedman on 3/13/13 at 8:54

It appears Madam Speaker did not see that coming.

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." Samuel Adams

By: KENW on 3/13/13 at 8:57

What a shame that eight small minded despots were able to kill this effort. They sided with special interests, voted against free market trade, and showed an amazing lack of confidence in the people in their districts to decide for themselves. I'm so tired of these local tyrants that work against their own constituencies for the benefit of their own self righteousness. Comrades Carr, Eldridge, Floyd, Hall, Hill Holt, Miller and Sparks--it's time you did what is right for the people, let them decide.

By: Loner on 3/13/13 at 8:59

Thinking of buying fine wines online?

Here are links to four of my favorite New York State wineries...they all make an excellent Vignoles...a luscious NY white wine.... my personal favorite...you might be able to order directly online:

Niagara wine region...

Leonard Oakes Estate Winery:
http://www.oakeswinery.com/

Finger lakes region....

Keuka Springs Vineyards....
http://www.keukaspringwinery.com/

Lakewood Vineyards...
http://www.lakewoodvineyards.com/

Rooster Hill Vineyards...
http://www.roosterhill.com/

I have visited all of those wineries on multiple occasions and take my word for it, they make great wines...especially the Vignoles....tell them that New York Loner recommended their wines to the wine-deprived people of Tennessee.

Uncork New York!

By: Magnum on 3/13/13 at 9:08

Someone asked for the "no" votes. Here they are:
• Voted “no”:
o Rep. Dale Carr, rep.dale.carr@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-5981
o Rep. Jimmy Eldridge, rep.jimmy.eldridge@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-7475
o Rep. Richard Floyd, rep.richard.floyd@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-2746
o Rep. Steve Hall, rep.steve.hall@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-2287
o Rep. Matthew Hill, rep.matthew.hill@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-2251
o Rep. Andy Holt, rep.andy.holt@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-7847
o Rep. Larry Miller, rep.larry.miller@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-4453
o Rep. Mike Sparks, rep.mike.sparks@capitol.tn.gov, (615) 741-6829

*Committee member Rep. Sherry Jones was not in attendance for the vote.

By: Loner on 3/13/13 at 9:18

Nice research job, Magnum...ring their bells....give 'em hell!

By: CallMeAL on 3/13/13 at 9:27

I drink about 12 cases of wine a year. I drinkYellow Tail Cabernet. In TN I pay $8.99-9.99 per bottle in liquor stores. In TX I pay below $5.00 for the same bottle in Walmart. These reps are simply anti-consumer and need to be voted out in the next election.

By: PKVol on 3/13/13 at 10:14

I'm amazed by the number of people who feel this is such an important issue. If people would get as fired-up over really important issues, there is no limit to what good can be done. This issue has no bearing on Tennessee being a good or bad state. This is a sad commentary on what people consider important. Shame on you.

By: rolffz on 3/13/13 at 10:15

TJ Snodgrass,

Some folks want wine to please their pallet, not their need for a prison cell buzz.

re the article: TN laws and lawmakers are absurd. What ever put these in place anyway? Even prohibition was a joke.

People trying to dictate the personal lives of their constituents? Really? Our representatives have much more important things to concern themselves.

rz

By: kevin47881 on 3/13/13 at 11:40

@PKVol - you're being a bit short sighted and quick on the draw. Just because one has an opinion on this bill doesn't mean they don't have an opinion on the rising debt crisis of the country or the fact the POTUS wants the ability to use drones to kill US citizens on US soil. One can have varied opinions and interests.
Just out of curiosity, what is it that you find important?

By: Elmer Gantry on 3/13/13 at 12:08

Nancy Fischman for Tennessee House District 7
http://www.nancyfortennessee.com/index.html

By: govskeptic on 3/13/13 at 12:33

PKVOL: It's sleepy heads that don't think that forms the no votes here. It's not as
much the product as it is the way this legislature and previous have allowed
this industry to be so closed for so many years through outrageous
influence through heavy political donations. I agree with previous: What is
your priority? Mine is and always is the consumers in this state constantly
getting the shaft from companies and industries with legislative approvals.

By: JohnGalt on 3/13/13 at 12:52

I haven't set foot in a liquor store in over a decade but I'll guarantee that if I do need liquor in some form it will come from a Kentucky store. I will in no way financially support the greedy liquor store owners or the monopolistic distribution system.

By: NewYorker1 on 3/13/13 at 1:44

Once all those old people who hold a political position die off, maybe we can finally get some things done around here.

By: daytonsdarwin on 3/13/13 at 1:53

The Tennessee State Legislature--The Worst That Money Can Buy.

"Special Legislative Session: Votes for sale by crooked politicians. I'll be your Man or Woman for the Right Price. I'll pretend to be against alcohol while you funnel money to me, my family, and friends. I'm easy to find — just ask for any legislator in Tennessee at the Capitol. (cash only, no checks)."

"Hey State Representative! Tired on not making enough walking-around money from the penny-ante bribes and kickbacks from back home?Ask about the Liquor Mafia Special --Join with the lobby and we'll put money in your pocket. No conscience? You're the right person for us. Look what we've done for Jimmy Naifeh, John Wilder, and the McWherters. You too can go home with money in your pocket. Call the Liquor Lobby for cash today!"

By: Magnum on 3/13/13 at 3:45

"If people would get as fired-up over really important issues, there is no limit to what good can be done."

PK, your very own comment is why everyone is so ticked about this mess. Everyone is behind this bill except the liquor store owners and its lobby...and still it doesn't pass. If "we the people" can't influence the idiots in charge on something this inconsequential (in the grand scheme as you point out), what can they change? In this case, the bill was simply to give the voters the final say and they still blocked it. This is a simple, in your face reminder that our politicians are completely controlled by special interest dollars. If that doesn't tick you off, I don't know what will.

By: yogiman on 3/14/13 at 6:38

It's way past time for the citizens to understand who the legislators are working for and quit keeping anyone in office just because they are in there.

They aren't in office as a job for a business, they run to SERVE THE PEOPLE. And it's the peoples excuse they stay in office to work for the "handouters". If you keep voting them back in office, you're getting what you deserve.

By: yogiman on 3/14/13 at 6:43

We understand, Loner; you're an agent for New York's wineries. Just keep on bashing Tennessee's retailers buy from distributors.

By: CitizenV on 3/14/13 at 8:09

This will not pass in this state anytime soon, because this system is corrupt from the inside, out. Tennessee has always been decades behind socially and politically, and they will remain so until things are gutted and the greedy bottom-feeders are tossed out of the state legislature onto to the streets (or jail) where they belong. Until then, payoffs and bribes are the name of the game. Whoever is willing to pay the most wins.

By: PKVol on 3/14/13 at 8:18

The fact that I can't buy wine in a grocery store has no (zero, none, zilch) effect on the quality of my life.

Just because there is a vocal group (I won't call it a majority, because I don't believe there really is a majority) that want wine in grocery stores, doesn't mean it should happen. Twenty years ago, many states allowed doctors to prescribe Phen-fen for weight loss, but Tennessee did not because of the concern for how safe of a product it was. Many people went out of state to get presriptions for and aquired Phen-Fen, until finally the Tennessee Legistlature caved-in and allowed it to be prescribed and distributed in Tennessee. Less than six months later, it was finally confirmed that Phen-Fen was unsafe and pulled off the market. The Legislature was right all along, but changed its position to please the people.

The fact is that the sale of wine as mandated by state law to be restricted to liquor stores has worked for many years. The greed of the grocery stores to want to sell it themselves and take those profits out of state versus the current requirement that liquor stores be locally owned, thereby ensuring that profits stay local has been an economic plus for our state.

As for issues that concern me, I am passionate about issues in which the innocent have no voice of their own. Through no fault of their own are labeled as a 'choice' and not as a person. Illegal immigrants have rights in this country, but unwanted children do not. That is a travesty and a fight I consider worth it.

By: Blip on 3/14/13 at 11:04

Pretty long winded for not being very passionate about this issue, PKVol. The Tennessee legislature is suspiciously selective in its protectionism. Let's compare apples to apples. The Tennessee legislature not only opened the state up to Wal-Mart, it welcomed it with open arms. The legislature should open the state up to wine in grocery stores. Some of those grocery stores are local. All of the people who work in those grocery stores are local. Free enterprise. Pure and simple. This is a consumer issue. Political graft is not very noble. I'm watching politicians not representing the people. I'm seeing a Republican controlled legislature being anti-free market. I do believe a majority want wine in stores, and the legislature is there to represent the people.

By: tomba1 on 3/14/13 at 11:06

Ahh what a wonderful day today, 3/14, must be for Rep dale carr, representative of the pigeon forge area. While on 3/12 he voted to deny the citizens of the entire state of Tennessee their right to vote on the matter of where wine is sold in the State, the citizens of Pigeon Forge, in his district, are exercising their right to vote on liquor by the drink in their area. Perhaps mr carr is just a fish out of water or did he get paid in cash to cover the tracks.

By: dargent7 on 3/14/13 at 11:41

"Just follow the money..." Watergate cir: 1973.
Which councilman got just how much from the liquor lobby?
You'd think Krogers, Harris Teeter, Publix could equal and surpass their financial influence.

By: tomba1 on 3/14/13 at 11:57

"State Rep. Sherry Jones (D-Nashville) was also a vote Lundberg said he was counting on. She left midway through the committee to attend a hearing in a committee next door about the Department of Children’s Services.

Jones said she isn’t sure how she would have voted, but said it was more of a priority to attend the DCS hearing than vote on the wine-in-grocery-stores referendum bill."

"left midway" isn't quite right. She may have been bouncing back and forth or never have been in the gov committee meeting at all. In reviewing the video of the DCS discussion, it was not a formal committee meeting per the chair's introductory remarks, the chair made a point to recognize sherry jones as being in attendance after the roll was called although she has no standing at all in that committee. She was merely there by choice as an interested party while ignoring her true committee obligation to the local government committee to which she was assigned. Her committee meeting convened some 10 - 15 minutes after the DCS discussions began so it is easily possible for her to have attended both "roll calls".

The local gov meeting lasted approx 1.75 hours as the dcs discussion went approx twice as long. The local gov meeting agenda had the grocery store issue being the last item and the video shows a 10 minute recess prior to that one item being considered followed by a hasty adjournment. The recess was requested by rep holt who voted nay. The chair did not call the roll after the recess as he deemed a quorum was present, That allowed plenty of time to ensure jones was where she needed to be, elsewhere, and the fix was in with chairman hill. Then they knew they had it defeated and pressed for a vote in spite of 2 motions to "roll" the matter for a week to consider the proposed amendments. It never had a chance. The speaker blew it and the republicans, as usual, got out smarted. End of story unless madam speaker chooses to discuss reconsideration with rep hill.i