Burch: Conserve this!

Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 9:05pm
By Michael R. Burch

I was a Reagan Republican, but I have severe doubts about our current crop of self-alleged “conservatives.” Tennessee conservatives in particular have been a busy bunch of beavers recently, with the “guns in bars” and “don’t say gay” and “no hand-holding” bills. Other than making Tennessee the laughingstock of the nation, it’s hard to see what such bills accomplish. So perhaps it’s time to ask a simple question: “Just what is it that conservatives are trying to conserve, these days?”

It seems obvious that Republicans are trying to conserve tax cuts for the super-rich, while sending everyone else to the poorhouse. But most Tennesseans aren’t wealthy, so that can’t be the reason we keep voting them into office.

Republican politicians are trying to conserve their fat-cat health benefits while denying decent health care to the elderly, but most of us care much more about our grandparents than hypocritical politicians, so that can’t be the reason we keep electing them.

Republican men are trying to conserve their power over women’s reproductive systems. But most Tennesseans don’t want our mothers, wives, sisters and daughters to be forced to have babies they don’t want or can’t afford, so that can’t be the reason either.

Republicans are trying to conserve their unholy political unions while busting teachers’ unions, but most of us care much more about students and teachers than power-hungry politicians, so that can’t be it.

Republicans are trying to conserve American military power and global influence, as with the invasion of Iraq, which then-senator Barack Obama and the majority of House Democrats opposed. But most Tennesseans don’t want to rule the world, and the wars have only destabilized the Middle East, making Americans less safe, so that can’t be the reason.

Republicans are trying to conserve “morality,” but it’s a hypocritical morality that seems to boil down to “Heterosexuals can do whatever the hell they please, while non-heterosexuals are denied the right to marry.” And yet the same Bible that condemns homosexuality also condemns divorce, adultery and fornication.

Republicans are obviously trying to conserve brain cells by not using them to consider scientific facts like global warming. We can easily confirm that the earth is getting hotter because the once-fabled Northwest Passage recently became a reality, due to rapidly melting ice in northern climes. Melting polar ice caps and glaciers are causing sea levels to rise, another indisputable fact which has been reported all around the globe. But most Tennesseans don’t want to make the planet uninhabitable for their children and grandchildren, so that can’t be it.

Republicans are trying to conserve bigotry, by employing racial profiling, which is unfair to legal immigrants and native-born Americans with darker skin. But most Tennesseans are descended from immigrants, so that can’t be it.

Republicans are trying to conserve intolerance, by stopping the construction of mosques while Christians build churches wherever they please. But most Tennesseans believe in freedom of religion, so surely that’s not it.

I must admit that I’m completely stumped. How is it possible that Tennesseans keep electing people who seem to be intent on ruining our state, nation and the world? I think it’s time for us to conserve something, before it’s too late: … our votes!

Michael R. Burch is a Nashville-based editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and other “things literary” at www.thehypertexts.com.

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102 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 6/29/12 at 9:08

Sorry I can't agree with you on the Democratic attitude, Mike. This nation was not founded to rob Peter to pay Paul. Everyone should earn their own living. The Party has no right to tax me to give to someone else who's too damn lazy to earn a living.

I agree with helping someone in a time of need, I've done it all of my adult life, but I don't agree to split my earnings with someone who is as physically able to work as I, but too damn lazy to do so.

And back to the Republican and women having babies, Mike: Who is responsible, and what party is he in, that wants to pay for abortions by setting up government abortion clinics? Could it be Barry Soetoro, perhaps?

By: parnell3rd on 6/29/12 at 10:11

Hey yogi, just more propaganda.
My take is the whole system is corrupt. It's not one party. It's the 2 party's that will not vote for term limits.
We can thank Pres. Andrew Jackson, he invented the Demoncrat party to get re-elected.
They are sick with power.

By: Ask01 on 6/29/12 at 11:29

An observation, if I may.

The upper classes and corporations have been very successful in spreading the fear the middle class will be wiped out by social programs intended to benefit the less fortunate.

I suspect the view many hold of their place in the social strata is overinflated, leading them to believe they reside in higher position on the proverbial totem pole than is true.

No one on this board, or anyone I come into contact with on a daily basis, fits the defintion I use to define the extremely wealthy.

In sad fact, most citizens would probably be actual beneficiaries, as the aforementioned upper classes and corporations find it desirable, and even depend on, the majority to falsely identify with the financial elite, believing they are protecting themselves, when in fact, all they are doing is defending the social elite who will never let them join their ranks.

Despite declarations of financial independence, and self sufficiency, I suspect most are only a few paychecks away from economic ruin, unemployment, and homelessness. Most don't, or won't, acknowledge the fact they have no contingency for if they suddenly find themselves out of a job, even if through no fault of their own.

I cannot help but wonder how many of those who demonize and trash citizens drawing unemployment or other support would change their tune if they were reduced to such for survival?? I wonder how many who pompously declare people should not buy houses or cars they cannot afford, would be hard pressed to cover all the bills were they layed off Monday after planning based on what seemed like steady income?

Just a random, middle of the night, can't sleep musing from someone who experienced the same scenario. One day, employed, making purchases based on a certain income level, then WHAM! out of work due to economic conditions beyond my control.

Do not believe such can never happen, because I can attest anything is possible.

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 3:34

Ask01,

I have written about what I call "the curious collusion of the rich and the poor." It is passingly strange that the poorest people tend to vote in lockstep with their rich overlords.

If the 99% ever come to their senses, and vote for their own best interests, rather than voting based on the propaganda of the super-rich and their lackeys, the Republicans, we could have more economic parity and more prosperous nation for everyone.

There is a simple path to improvement: vote for Democrats until the GOP comes to its senses. The Democrats are far from perfect, but at least they are not turning the American public into serfs who obey the whims of the super-rich.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 3:43

Yogi,

Alas, it seems that you will choose a piece of paper over your own family, if you vote for Romney rather than president Obama.

Romney represents the rich and their "right" to hoard trillions of dollars while ordinary Americans are stripped of Social Security, Medicare, and other "entitlements" which they actually earned with the sweat of their brow.

President Obama is fighting for the rights of ordinary Americans.

You are allowing your infatuation with a piece of paper to harm your family. Is that wise? Romney is a rich elitist who plans to favor the rich 1% over the 99%. President Obama is the only man who stands in his way.

Will you choose the lackey of the super-rich over your own family, because of a piece of paper? If so, I must join your detractors. I wish we could be friends, but you have made yourself part of the system that preys on average Americans.

I am sorry that you choose to harm your own family, and so many other hardworking Americans, over a piece of paper.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 3:52

Yogi,

I'm sorry. I put my faith in you, that your heart and mind would not allow you to put a piece of paper over the lives and happiness of your loved ones. But I'm afraid the other people here are right, and I was wrong. You are so blind that you would put a piece of paper above your loved ones. I find that very sad, and it is frightening that so many Americans are as deluded as you are. If only you were able to think rationally, you might be able to help Americans end this dark passage in our history, but you seem determined to run our country into the ground, over a piece of paper.

I wish we could have been friends, but how can I be friends with people determined to harm my loved ones, and their own?

Mike

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 5:39

You are right, Mike, by thinking I'm interested in a piece of paper. But it isn't just a simple piece of paper, it's a small booklet called our Constitution: That set of rules our founders made using so much effort to keep our nation free from the control of foreigners who would want to control our lives. They're called dictators.

If you want a dictator in control, you've got a man with that desire. That little "piece of paper" is what has kept him from his takeover so far. He still may be able to do it with congress' help.

The fact you are so willing to have Barack Obama (if that's his name) as your president shows your ignorance of the thoughts of our founders. Apparently, Obama is a damn good actor using his lies to convince you he's your man and makes you so willing to have a Kenyan as your president.

I hate to implore your constitutional treason, but if you're so ignorant of it you're so willing to have a man as your president and you don't even know who he is exposes your ignorance to the core.

You're a good writer, Mike and seem to be an intelligent man, but you're exposing your ignorance to the history of our founders.

The biggest worry we have today, Mike, is our Congress. Congress are the "leaders" of our nation yet they let Barack Obama usurp the President's office. I'd say they are fellow communists with Obama.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Not just with your thoughts, but known data.

By: Loner on 6/30/12 at 5:58

Good morning again, Nashville.

Mike, it's your time and energy, but I think that you are wasting both by attempting to reason with our resident troll. I personally made several attempts to reason with the guy, but to no avail. He enjoys being an @sshole.

The troll gets his yay-yas out by being an obstinate knucklehead and repeating the same whine over and over again....he's incensed that a black man is the POTUS...that a black woman is the FLOTUS....black kids living in the White House...this has stuck in his craw...it's all he can think about...it's his tin-foil-hat obsession.

There is no racist like an old racist, Mike and our troll is an old school Southern cracker. I just skip over his posts...it's almost always a variation on the same thing; the troll is an annoying parasite on this board...his asinine behavior has caused many posters to leave this site....he is slowly killing this forum.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 6:00

To you who are concerned: Note where I made a comment about congress earlier: I just read where 20 Republican Senators are siding with Hillery Clinton, who is negotiating for Barack Obama in their LOST program. The LOST program is the Law of The Sea Treaty which would place the USA's use of the oceans under the control of the UN.

For you Tennesseans, Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker are in that list of 20 traiters.

By: Ask01 on 6/30/12 at 6:35

Mike, I believe you see the problem.

As often happens, people, particularly the older ones, are so set in their ways, they cannot change, regardless how much evidence is placed in front of them.

The younger generation, which has less loyalty to the party system, sees the fallacy in continuing to support a party pandering for votes but not delivering representation.

Older citizens, those falling from the middle class, and others, in danger of falling, or having already fallen, have experienced rude awakenings about the beliefs they once held.

Suddenly, the demonic characterization of the Democratic party as a closet communist operation seems flawed, as citizens realize the Republican party is more concerned with amassing wealth for the 1% than ensuring hard working, average Americans have employment opportunities and economic stability.

This does, however, offer a chance to observe a political party self destruct if citizens finally have enough.

By: Loner on 6/30/12 at 6:49

I agree, Ask01, the Republican Party is dedicated to preserving the wealth of the richest Americans...they rationalize that by clinging to the disproven idea that if the wealthiest citizens are given tax breaks etc. that the wealth will "trickle down" to the common people.

I can understand how and why the wealthy folks vote Republican; what puzzles me is why dirt poor, under-educated people would vote Republican...I guess the poor folks that vote GOP are attracted to the racist, homophobic, Muslim-hating, Hispanic-loathing, Christian supremacist agenda of the Republican Party.....hate is the attractant.....and the plan is working.

By: Loner on 6/30/12 at 7:15

In truth, "trickle down" does occur...the wealth trickles down from mom & dad to their kids; who in turn do the same.

The Republican Party has targeted the Estate Tax - what they call the "Death Tax" - because taxing inherited wealth interferes with their trickle down scheme.

The goal of the Republican Party seems to be destroying the middle class and concentrating the wealth into the hands of a few ruling families...aristocratic dynasties.

Republicans are undemocratic by nature....they despise representative democracy...they constantly tell us that this nation is a republic, not a democracy.

We should never forget that the term "republic" is not inherently democratic by definition. Theocratic republics, socialist republics, communist republics and fascist republics are the norm, not the exception....a democratic republic is something of a rarity.

Republicanism is concerned about the place; democracy is concerned about the people in that place. Republicans are statists; Democrats are humanists.

What's needed are lawmakers who are concerned about both the place and the people.....but with Citizens United and the Super-PACS calling the shots from now on, other places and other people will determine our destiny...we can thank the Republicans on the SCOTUS for selling America out.....no doubt about it, money talks.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 8:47

Ask01,

Am I in error believing you are referring to me in your the comment about older people being set in their ways, assuming you mean it as a comment on my beliefs for Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Please accept my apology. But if I'm right, I must say, to a point, you are right. And hopefully you will gain a little bit of knowledge (called education) as you grow older. That is, if we don't have a dictator's takeover and you still have the freedom you have today.

And I must say, on this situation, hell yes, I'm set in my way. But look back in my "stupid" comments where I have offered many times to apologize and accept Barack Obama as my President if you can prove he is legally in that office.

Amazing, isn't it, no one has presented one piece of paper as evidence he is in that office legally.

I'm still waiting.

By: bfra on 6/30/12 at 8:52

yogi - Amazing, isn't it, no one has presented one piece of paper as evidence he is in that office legally.

I'm still waiting.
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If you didn't lie, you wouldn't have anything to comment about!

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 9:01

Loner,

You think as a Democrat and presume I'm a Republican. I don't know where you got that idea because my parents didn't have enough money to make me and my siblings rich when they passed on.

May God rest his soul; my dad was a Democrat from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet (you know, the days of the depression)..., and he wasn't a short man. I'm an Independent. I studied a little politics as a boy hoping I would be able to know what I was voting for when I reach the voting age back then at 21. I look at the candidate and their purpose of running for any office.

As the old saying goes: "The times they are a changing." And they are changing more, faster, every day now, and frankly, I can't tell much difference between the two major parties in what used to be our Congress.

I don't know about your experience in the military, but most boys learned a lot... fast.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 9:14

Loner,

Are you an absolute Democrat or would you like to know a little bit ab out your man in office?

If you have any wonder on him, go to www.outloudopinion.com/tag.obama/ You might learn more than you currently know.

By: parnell3rd on 6/30/12 at 9:59

Hey Yogi, i find it interesting how democrats believe their politics don't stink. How they can only find fault with the other's. Well, since they like to bring up the past let us remember some oldies but goodies.
The war of Northern Agression. The President was a Republican born in Kentucky later to become Senator in Illionois. Did he show his papers? Or did we take his word?
Scholar's and experts will tell you that we stayed in the Great Depression longer because of Pres. FDR's spending policies.
Telegram to Senator JFK(running for president) from his father Joe Kennedy Sr. "Son, don't buy anymore votes than you have too, I'll be damned if I'll pay for a landslide"
While a Senator Lyndon Johnson always voted against Civil rights like most democrat's voted against it. When he became President and was outvoted by the new republicans and he was signing this into law, this is waht he said: "We'll have those Blacks voting for us the next 200 years" And Black is not the word he used.
President Clinton speaking at Sen. Byrd's funeral said "Yes Sen. Byrd here joined the KKK, but he was just doing what he needed to do in order to get elected.

By: parnell3rd on 6/30/12 at 10:03

If you don't like Tennessee we border 7 states. Just sayin! Or great locations like California or New York city are availible.
Hell I'm just waiting for 10 or 20 years of total breakdown, failure, anarchy. Because of the people we all elected if we don't fix the system we will make Europe look like children in the playground. We always do it bigger and better!!!

By: acluu on 6/30/12 at 11:11

More and more people are “wising” up to that of the homosexual.
They are beginning to realize that they have shot themselves (gays) in the foot with all the threats made past and present, particularly with the American Psychological Association (APA).

Just think of the help homosexuals could have received today if it was still labeled as a “mental disorder.”

A recent study has also found that kids that are raised in such an environment,(gay parenting) can be detrimental with everlasting effects.

It is a never ending cycle, we need to never stop learning what causes this(homosexuality) as more and more people will continue to suffer.
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By: Ask01 on 6/30/12 at 11:21

Apology accepted.

This is all I will say on the issue of President Obama's place of birth.

Does anyone here really believe, with all the Joe Arpaio's, Yogi's, and others who so despise the POTUS, running loose in this country, if a single scrap of evidence existed anywhere which would prove him ineligible, this would not have been presented in legal challanges?

With all the militia groups and other quasi patriotic organizations, does anyone actually believe a second American Revolution would not have already broken out? Not to mention the wealthy individuals and corporate entities, the Republican party and others who must view President Obama as a threat?

If there was real, concrete, irrefutable, actionable evidence I seriously doubt Obama would have even survived the Democratic vetting process, much less have served a complete term.

To quote the simple minded, but practical character Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 11:24

acluu,

I couldn't agree with you more. To teach the children today homosexuality is a "normal" way of life is ruining their lives.

There's no way it can be considered normal. Years ago, many I have known have given their reason was because of the way their parents raised them in their childhood.

And the government today want to teach today's children it's a normal thing in grade school? They're all probably queers themselves.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 12:02

Ask01,

First, let me explain what that little booklet is that our government officials have sworn to follow. It is our Constitution. It is our guide to living in this country. Congress cannot pass a new law in this nation that overrides the Constitution without an amendment. And no amendment has been made to change the technical requirements to become President of this nation.

Next: Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama has constantly refused to offer any proof of who he is: Why? Don't you care and you're willing to have a foreigner in the Oval Office of this nation? What makes you think he's even an American citizen? Because he says so?

Known facts: He claims to have been born in Hawaii to a Kenyan father and American mother. If that is so, he could only be a dual-citizen of Kenya and the USA. He could not be a natural born citizen.

If he was born in Hawaii, his stepfather adopted in into Indonesian citizenship. When adopted into Indonesia, he had to give up his American citizenship (if he was a dual-citizen). He used a foreign passport to enter Pakistan when he was a 20 year old young man because Pakistan would not accept an America passport at that time. What nation's passport did he use?

In 1991, a brochure was printed on him as advertisement on a book he had written. It stated he was born in Kenya and was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. That brochure was used for 16 years... until he threw his hat in the presidential ring in 2007. If it was in error for those 16 years, why did he allow it to be used as advertisement.

His wife made a statement about them getting some shots to go to Africa to visit his homeland of Kenya. Slip of tongue? His paternal grandmother (through the Kenyan ambassador as interpreter) said the was in the room with his mother when he was born. And she stated she had never been out of Kenya.

Now, let's put it this way: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his American citizenship when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather. Question: Has he ever become a naturalized American citizen after his Indonesian adoption? Fact: You can never re-gain your natural born citizen status once you lose it.

So when was Barack Obama given special relief to regain his natural born citizen status.

Fact: If Barack Obama was, in fact, born in Kenya, what makes you think he's an American citizen?

Or don't you care who's sitting in our Oval Office? You apparently don't understand the power that man has and what he can do to this nation.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 12:18

Ask01,

First, let me explain what that little booklet is that our government officials have sworn to follow. It is our Constitution. It is our guide to living in this country. Congress cannot pass a new law in this nation that overrides the Constitution without an amendment. And no amendment has been made to change the technical requirements to become President of this nation.

Next: Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama has constantly refused to offer any proof of who he is: Why? Don't you care and you're willing to have a foreigner in the Oval Office of this nation? What makes you think he's even an American citizen? Because he says so?

Known facts: He claims to have been born in Hawaii to a Kenyan father and American mother. If that is so, he could only be a dual-citizen of Kenya and the USA. He could not be a natural born citizen.

If he was born in Hawaii, his stepfather adopted him in into Indonesian citizenship. When adopted into Indonesia, he was relieved of his American citizenship (if he was a dual-citizen). He used a foreign passport to enter Pakistan when he was a 20 year old young man because Pakistan would not accept an America passport at that time. What nation's passport did he use?

In 1991, a brochure was printed on him as advertisement on a book he had written. It stated he was born in Kenya and was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. That brochure was used for 16 years... until he threw his hat in the presidential ring in 2007. If it was in error for those 16 years, why did he allow it to be used as advertisement.

His wife made a statement about them getting some shots to go to Africa to visit his homeland of Kenya. Slip of tongue? His paternal grandmother (through the Kenyan ambassador as interpreter) said the was in the room with his mother when he was born. And she stated she had never been out of Kenya.

Now, let's put it this way: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his American citizenship when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather. Question: Has he ever become a naturalized American citizen after his Indonesian adoption? Fact: You can never re-gain your natural born citizen status once you lose it.

So why was Barack Obama given special relief to regain his natural born citizen status?

Fact: If Barack Obama was, in fact, born in Kenya, what makes you think he's an American citizen?

Or don't you care who's sitting in our Oval Office? You apparently don't understand the power that man has and what he can do to this nation.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 12:19

Sorry, you don't have to read it twice.

By: acluu on 6/30/12 at 12:37

Yogi,

Holder and the Black Caucus are the biggest racists of all time.

How can anyone call themselves a representative of the people when they all act like schoolyard bullies? This is the first AG to be held in contempt in history, and Obama cites executive priviledge? It wasn't even about Obama until he chimed in. What is he trying to hide?

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 1:09

parnell3rd,

The times they are a changing and they have been changing day by day since time began. And that includes the time of our nation. But right now it's on the slope into the fertilizer pit called bull $hit. And that pit's getting deeper.

In referenced to Lincoln: I have read about a couple of presidents that were questioned before. But that was decades before my time on this earth so I haven't bothered to research it. You questioned whether Lincoln showed his papers. There again, I wasn't interested on seeing his papers back then. I had only begun to hope my mother and father would have me as a baby some day and put me on this earth so I could have a happy life. But they held me back until 1930 and according to some of your fellow posters I still haven't matured enough to accept an unqualified president. I'm afraid history is going to bring them up to par with what I learned decades ago.

By history lessons, I understand Lincoln was born to American parents. Thus, being born in Kentucky, he was a natural born American citizen. You know, BOTH of his parents were American citizens; not just one.

Being born in the depression, I can remember life was much different back then than it is today. We didn't have a government that took you in their hands and gave you a welfare check. But back then, families took care of families. Friends took care of friends and neighbors took care of neighbors. Them wuz the good old days.

FDR had the idea of developing jobs, one after the other. I can't remember all of the names they had back then but the thing that brought the nation out of depression was WWII. The USA grew like it was being fertilized with a lot of good BS.

Now, you say it I don't like Tennessee we border 7 states... and I can move. To be blunt, I took several moves in my adult life to get moved back to my home state. I ain't going no where else. If anyone on the site doesn't want me as a neighbor, they can move. I'm staying home.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/30/12 at 1:14

Mike yogi has no soul. He would rather see the country totally destroyed than to have a non white it office. If he was the man he said he was he would use the N word instead of hiding behind the Birther mask.

No yogi Ask01 was referring to humans, you on the other hand or sub-spices. No soul, no heart, no consciences and no brains.

Yes yogi the times are changing and leaving you behind. You will always be the same uninformed lackey that you have always been and will throughout eternity. Your Hell will be you alone arguing with yourself over nothing.

Like a yapping little dog parnell3rd, begs for yogi’s attention and like his master will even except a kicked just for the attention.

Ask01 if yogi had any evidence and the BALLS to do anything about it he would be leading the charge to remove President Obama from office. Instead he whines from he closet that his daddy kept him in.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 1:26

acluu,

I'm afraid these Obama lovers are going to get one hell of a surprise and placed in a state of shock. And it will happen between now and November 6. Let's wait and see.

I agree, Obama has shown nothing but racism since the day he went in office and Eric Holder began showing since day 1the day he was given that office.

I've been accused of being a racist because I want proof of his legality making him legally eligible for that office, yet they deny being a racist because they voted for him simply because he's a black man. That had to be the only reason they voted for him because they knew absolutely nothing about him.

And the fact he continues to refuse to prove his identity makes me wonder about them.

As I've stated before, Obama was raised in a paternal Muslim family and a maternal communist family. When did he do a 180 on the way he was raised?

By: Blip on 6/30/12 at 4:08

Anybody who votes against their own self interests is either stupid or hypnotized, probably about a 50-50 mix of that among voters. Six corporations own about 90% of the media we watch, which helps the hypnosis part of the equation.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 5:48

But you have take your mind off of all matters and concentrate on what you're being told to become hypnotized, Blip.

And it looks like a lot of Americans have been hypnotized by Barack Obama (if that's his name). I'm afraid they're going to be disappointed when they're snapped out of that deep sleep.

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 6:51

Yogi,

I'm afraid I agree with the others. You seem to care more about a piece of paper than members of your own family. Which is more important: a birth certificate, the Constitution, or 300 million Americans? If you don't know the correct answer, what else is there to say? I'm going to stop reading your posts, the way other people here do, because it's a waste of time to talk to someone who cares more about pieces of paper than human lives.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 6:59

Loner, you said:

Republicans are statists; Democrats are humanists.

I think I just said pretty much the same thing to Yogi. We are not meant to be slaves to a state, or an ideology, or pieces of paper. Human beings are more important than states, principles and morals. And the Republicans are wrong on virtually every point: women's rights, gay rights, minority rights, avoiding war, excessive military spending, slashing safety nets, etc.

Anyone who votes for Republicans has lost their marbles, in my opinion. While it is true that Democrats don't always achieve their goals, at least they have positive goals. If the GOP achieves its goals, 1% of Americans will be billionaires and 99% will be left without healthcare or any means of support when they can no longer work. The 99% will be the serfs who do all the heavy lifting ... until they drop dead.

There is one simple solution: vote the Republicans out of office, and send the worst ones (GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al) to prison for life. Then the next time Americans politicians will have to think twice before starting an unnecessary war.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 7:08

Blip,

You said, "Anybody who votes against their own self interests is either stupid or hypnotized, probably about a 50-50 mix of that among voters."

I think you're right. Around half the voters seem to have been brainwashed by a combination of propaganda. Gun nuts vote for NRA-certified politicians. Conservative Christians vote for church-approved politicians, etc. But how many of these voters ever stop to ask, "What will happen to members of my family as they age, can't work, and need healthcare?"

The poorest, least-educated people are the ones who need safety nets the most. But they are the voters most likely to vote for the politicians who plan to drop them like hot potatoes when they can't work and pay taxes.

If there is a silver lining, it's that if fairly small numbers of voters open their eyes and start voting for their own best interests, the GOP is going to lose lots of elections.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 7:13

Nemo,

I suppose I do have to give up on Yogi. What can we say about people willing to sell their own family down the river, over a piece of paper? If Romney strips Yogi's family of every safety net, and they end up homeless, perhaps Yogi will finally repent ... when it's too late. But at least I tried to help his family, by appealing to his heart and powers of reason ...

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 6/30/12 at 7:24

Ask01,

You said, "Suddenly, the demonic characterization of the Democratic party as a closet communist operation seems flawed, as citizens realize the Republican party is more concerned with amassing wealth for the 1% than ensuring hard working, average Americans have employment opportunities and economic stability. This does, however, offer a chance to observe a political party self destruct if citizens finally have enough."

I think you're right. Ordinarily, I would say, "Vote for the best candidate, not the party." But I think the GOP has become so close to the Nazi party in philosophy and tactics, we can't afford to elect Republicans at all. If we vote for Democrats, until the GOP changes course, that will force the GOP to "get with the times." As long as Republicans serve the 1% and work against the interests of the 99%, they are the enemies of most Americans. I just hope enough voters understand the reality, and vote for their own best interests. If not, there may be dark days ahead for anyone who isn't in the 1%.

MIke

By: Ask01 on 6/30/12 at 7:57

Mike, you have hit this one out of the park.

At one point, I admit ashamedly, I was somewhat arrogant, having been employed my entire life, paying taxes and supporting all manner of charities.

Finally however, advancing technology and receding economics combined to result in declining business, leading to my being layed off due to no work available and, honestly, little hope of business returning to previous levels.

I didn't panic, as I had a stable work history, was retired miltary, and possessed a broad range of abilities. Finding another job would be no problem.

I was wrong.

I spent part of three years seeking employment. I dropped off resumes and filled out so many applications, I feel personally responsible for the deforestation of large tracts of woodlands.

I finally decided I was wasting my time and having a miltary retirement, began busying myself doing all the home projects I had been delaying.

I also observed what was happening in America.

Corporations and the wealthy began to complain about their taxes, reasoning they created jobs, therefore deserved breaks. This while closing businesses and laying off workers, reducing available employment, claiming the need to trim expenses to survive. Then, corporate America posted record profits and awarded obscene bonuses to upper management, which had been responsible for slashing jobs. A true slap in the face. The salt in the wounds was claiming the need for tax breaks for "creating" jobs.

Another curious turn of events was the change in attitude of my former fellow working stiffs. I was now one of those drains on society. I was for some reason, determined to be jealous of those who worked to be successful.

The path from productive worker to unemployed social parasite is both short and swiftly traveled.

I began to recognize the duplicity of the Republican party. The only support I have noticed has been aimed at protecting businesses and the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. The middle class is, I believe, despite declarations of love and support from the party, nothing more than useful idiots to the party, and actually, a liability. since those so classified earn more and cut into corporate profits.

To be honest, the middle class has been long duped into supporting a fantasy, in my opinion. an increasingly unattainable fantasy of the American Dream, and of moving up to higher social strata.

Additionally, I believe part of the reason for strangling the middle class is the pereption of too many of the "wrong" people moving into the middle, who might want to climb even higher. You know what I mean, wrong color, wrong ethnicity, wrong religion, just plain wrong, not the 1950's stereotypical television family.

I did finally find employment, and am very happy with the company. I will stay with them as long as possible, providing total loyalty and dedication, as I always do.

The Republicans have so aligned themselves with Corporate America in pillaging the middle class, they may have actually shot themselves in the foot.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 8:35

You couldn't be further from the truth than you are on your 6:51 comment, Mike. But I guess that's what makes us think so differently. I love my country more than I love the usurper in office.

Comparing the USA to other countries I've been to, I much prefer the USA.

Interested in a piece of paper? Hell yes! You and your fellow posters on this site showing your ignorance of the reason the US Constitution was written and worded the way it was. Love that Constitution more than the members of my family? Yes.., if they agreed with you the Constitution didn't mean anything and they didn't want to live by it. It's hard to believe 300 million people prefer a dictator over a legally elected president.

The Constitution isn't just a piece of paper, Mike. I've referred you and your fellow posters to several sites showing who Obama is but you seem to be too ignorant to even take a look. And to accept someone as your president whom you know nothing about shows complete stupidity.

As I've posted before: He's the best damn lying actor I've ever seen on TV.

This site isn't just a playroom for just a few of you fellow posters. It's open to the public. So read my posts or not, that is your decision. I'm not going to quit until I die or the people of this nation seal that dictator in office.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 8:38

Oh, before I go, Mike, what do you think of that NDAA 2012 bill that was passed by Congress and co-sponsored by Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker?

You know, the one giving the government the right to arrest you and put you in prison without reason, and denying you the right to a lawyer.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 8:50

Correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, but your above posts here shows you more interested in your government "taking care of you" than your earning a living to support your own family. That, young man, is a welcome mat to communism. Am I to presume, then, you've dropped your personal front door welcome mat at your home?

By: Ask01 on 6/30/12 at 9:33

Ive been tried to be nice, patient, and even respectful yogiman, but enough is enough. I am going to break my resolution to not directly address you this one last time.

If you have some real, concrete, actionable, almost magic evidence the entire United States goverment has overlooked to prove irrefutably President Obama was fraudulently elected. I urge you to bring said evidence to the attention of any number of people to include any Republican politician, in any of the three branches of government.

Listen to yourself and read your own posts, man! Do you actually believe the entire government is in on some outlandish plot to install a foreign operative in the highest office in the land? All three branches, with members of both major parties and some minor groups are all in cahoots over this issue?

Do you honestly believe in a nation with so many Joe Arpaios, paranoid militias, and just plain paranoid conspiracy theorists, no one has been able to uncover and provide enough solid, incontrovertible, believable evidence to any responsible authority seeking to initiate a removal from office?

You were, or at least claim to have been, in the military. Do you really believe the miltary establishment would allow such an offense to the constitution they are charged with protecting to continue if evience existed. The armed forces are charged with protecting the nation against all enemies, both "foreign and DOMESTIC." The occupation of the White House by a true usurper would qualify. While such has never happened in this nation, other militaries around the world have reacted to restore order and maintain their countries when politicians went bad. The same could conceivably happen here. If warranted, that is.

While I genrally distrust politicians in general, I have enough faith in the dirt throwing, mud dredging instincts of both parties that if one had such a bombshell, they would not hesitate to detonate.

That you believe we have a foreign national in the Oval Office is, of course, your privilege. Going too far is insinuating those who do not share your, as yet unproven assertions, are somehow deluded or agents of "evil" is going over the line

One last issue. I spent 20+ years in uniform, most of the time overseas. Don't you ever dare question my loyalty, patriotism, or understanding of how this nation functions, or dedication to preserving our way of life.

I believe that concludes our conversation, sir.

By: acluu on 6/30/12 at 9:51

Stand your ground Yogi,

There are millions of empty headed, affirmative action dopes who can't think for themselves. Some of them sit on the Supreme Court. Some of them think they are "wise Latinas" (whatever that is). Others think they are above the law in not recusing themselves from decisions that they actively defended before they were appointed. Illegal immigration is a jobs issue, and the administration has bent over backwards to make sure he rewards illegals with green cards. It is lawless and counterproductive when you have 25 million Americans who can't find a job. How does it get any simpler than that? No one else will call out this adminsitration for its contempt for unemployed Americans and our laws.

No AG should have the power to interfere in states that are trying to do the right thing by purging their rolls of ineligible voters. No AG should interfere with states that proceed with voter ID laws-they are constitutional.

No AG should pick winners and losers based on race. No country should have to put up with a lawless AG who picks and chooses, along with his boss, which laws they like and which they don't. And the countless other illegal and immoral activities brought to you by Holder.

This is NOT a secular nation and never has been. Our forefathers were escaping religious persecution, and therefore did not want to establish a state religion. There is no "separation of church and state" except in the minds of people who want to rationalize their behavior as something other than what it is. No religion is imposing anything on you, it is the majority of citizens, whether religious or not, who see this lifestyle for what it is as immoral and leading to early death.
Because there are already too many of us and the pool of jobs is shrinking. We hand out over 1.5 million H1-B visas a year, the majority going to STEM cell fields. Those wonderful immigrants that you support take these jobs and will work for less, far less, for fewer to no benefits, etc. than their American counterparts. That is what I would call taking jobs away from the people who have paid the taxes, supported their communities and believe they have a right to sovereignty in their own country.

As Angela Merkle said in 2010, before the EU meldown "Multi-culturalism has utterly failed.

The real U6 unemployment rate is 14.5%. Black youth unemployment is 40%. White youth unemployment is 25%. Of returning veterans, one out of five can't find work. The influx of even more legal foreigners, let alone illegal interlopers, simply drives down wages and entry level jobs for our youth in particular. When you have more of something -labor- and a reduced demand for that labor, your result is sinking wages, disappearing benefits and degeneration in the quality of life for all.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 11:14

Ask01,

Read this or not, that's your decision and I don't care, but as I've "said" before and you, as a retired vet, accept someone in the Oval Office whom you know absolutely nothing about, doesn't it even make you wonder just who in the hell he is? Why do you think he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep from showing his official birth certificate? You should know he isn't a natural born citizen by reading his autobiography. That is if you know the Constitution.

And are you familiar with his lawyers claiming he isn't the Democratic nominee on the Florida ballot but he will be the only one on said ballot? Do you know why he doesn't want to be accepted as the nominee eve though he will be the nominee? It's simple, Ask01, he'll have to produce a legitimate birth certificate.

Take you pick, accept a usurper as your president or look up the facts to see what he is.

By: yogiman on 6/30/12 at 11:47

Like my dad used to say, acluu, I've got a hard head and stinkin' a$$. I'm not backing off until I'm proven wrong. And as I've said; I'll apologize. But no one has offered any proof except their thoughts. That ain't enough. I want the legal papers.

Many are bitching about the SC findings on the Obamacare program and keep "cussin" Judge Roberts for his decision. Yet they aren't griping about the two Obama appointees who should have recused themselves on that bill. Aren't they familiar with Barack Obama constantly saying it wasn't a tax so they accepted it. But they're griping at Judge Roberts for saying it was a tax. Could it be Judge Roberts thought that bill should be sent back to Congress for correction or elimination?

Obama (if that's his legal name which I doubt) will do, or say, anything he can think of to get a vote.

Are you familiar with the NDAA 2012 law they passed, co-sponsored by Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker? It gives the government the authority to arrest you for no reason and send you to prison. You will not be allowed to have a lawyer. If that isn't operating as a communist dictator, I'd sure like an explanation of what it is. And I wonder how many of these Obama lover's will think they've been rewarded when it happens to them? But, hell, they might enjoy it down at Guantanamo.

By: yogiman on 7/1/12 at 12:05

Ask01,

For you to know my service time, I did not spend 20 years in service, I served 6 years, 10 months and 29 days. I was due discharge in January 1956 but the released my in December 1955 so I could make it home for Christmas with my parents (I wasn't married then). I would have stayed in but a LtCdr chewed me out on Guam in the hallway of the public airport where everyone could hear him... for someting I didn't do. Three times, I said, Sir!, and he told me to shut up each time reminding me I was at attention.

I made up my mind right then I would take my discharge after I had served my time, hoping I would meet him some day, some where after my discharge. Then he would listen to what I had to say.

Several years later I went to Ohio to a meeting and when I checked into the conference room, no one was in there. I went out in the hall and a group of men were talking to someone so I walked up toward them. Lo and behold, it was the LtCdr. I started easing my way through those men to get to him to "say a few words".

He must have recognized me because he quit in the middle of a sentence and turned the other way down the hall.

I went to the desk to find what room he was in but he had already checked out. I'm sorry I didn't get to talk to him.

By: bfra on 7/1/12 at 5:01

yogi - I made up my mind right then I would take my discharge after I had served my time, hoping I would meet him some day, some where after my discharge. Then he would listen to what I had to say.
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Bad, Bad Leroy yogi! A good laugh to start off the day!

By: yogiman on 7/1/12 at 7:27

bfra,

You're a brilliant man (I know, I'm just kidding) so tell me: What did you think of Barack Obama having a private meeting with the Supreme Court the day before he was sworn in to office? What did you think of him not correctly citing the Oath of Office when he took the oath? Remember he said he would repeat the oath correctly the next day... in private? Did he, or is he sitting in that office without office oath?

You know (I think) he's the only man in history who ever held a private meeting with the
Supreme Court before he was sworn in? Why did the Supreme Court agree to accept a private meeting with him the day before he was sworn in? Was an agreement made on anything? Maybe his eligibility, perhaps? Did the Supreme Court allow him to usurp the Oval Office in fear?'

Hopefully, time will tell.

By: bfra on 7/1/12 at 7:33

yogi changes the subject! Who are you going to brag about "whooping up on" sic, today? My money is on anyone that says BOO to you, you will turn & run like a yellow belly.
Oh, don't forget that shotgun, is it a double barrel, pump or automatic?

By: yogiman on 7/1/12 at 9:49

bfra,

It would be good if you knew what you're talking about. But I just haven't been able to figure it out yet. Your language is too difficult to understand so I'll have to figure you out of ignore you. And it's easier to just ignore you.

Don't you understand what the English language is?

By: bfra on 7/1/12 at 10:17

Hey Leroy yogi - You don't understand the difference between a statement & a question! Not surprised!

By: Captain Nemo on 7/1/12 at 1:00

The ass-hole known as yogiman has no brains, no proof and no balls to do that Ask01.