Burch: The dark side of voting for tax cuts

Friday, December 30, 2011 at 1:23pm
By Michael R. Burch

Just in time for the holiday season, we can break out into carols of “Joy Unspeakable and Full of Glory.” Nashville has a new Tea Party group led by Ben Cunningham, an anti-tax advocate who has been associated with the movement since 2009. According to Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, “Ben is a very conservative grassroots leader ... [who] will always be on the right side for liberty.”

But before we thank our lucky stars and raise songs of effusive praise to the skies, perhaps we should take a step back to consider the big picture. While we would all like to reduce the taxes we pay, most of us realize that taxes are necessary, and if we “put on our thinking caps” we can see that a vote for a Tea Party candidate (i.e., a conservative Republican) will affect much more than just our individual taxes.

In my opinion, a vote for a Tea Party candidate in any election is also a vote for:

(1) Social injustice, because here in Tennessee and all around the nation, Republicans are actively legislating against unions, teachers (which means students too), legal immigrants (via racial profiling), Muslims, homosexuals, the elderly, the sick, the poor, the unemployed, and just about anyone else who doesn’t look, feel and smell like a white conservative. After professing to “believe the Bible,” hypocritical American Pharisees (euphemistically called Republicans) completely ignore the teachings of Jesus, the apostles and the Hebrew prophets, who all spoke of the need for the people “with” to demonstrate compassion and establish social justice for the people “without.” The current crop of Republican presidential candidates is much closer to the pre-repentance Ebenezer Scrooge than to Jesus, who had compassion on the sick and the poor.

(2) Economic injustice, with the richest 1 percent of taxpayers keeping their Bush-era tax cuts, while the poor- and middle-income classes shoulder more and more of the burden. The reason is simple: the rich save most of what they earn, and can stuff their money into stock, bonds and art, never paying a penny in taxes on the appreciation of their holdings as long as the investments are not sold. Of course other Americans spend most of what they make, paying much more than their effective federal tax rates, due to a variety of sales, property, gasoline and other taxes. As a result, the rich get richer while everyone else gets poorer, thanks to the GOP’s “trickle down” economics. Democrats have been lobbying for a more equitable system, but Republicans strongly and stridently insist on protecting the wolves from the lambs.

(3) The ultimate injustice, war. Republicans protect their rich patrons from making economic sacrifices they would hardly feel, while expecting millions of children from lower- and middle-income classes to make the ultimate sacrifices: their health, mental well-being, and all too often, their lives. Barack Obama and the majority of House Democrats voted against the invasion of Iraq, while House Republicans voted almost unanimously in favor of it. Obviously voting for Republicans who have lost their senses, including those of compassion, justice and plain human decency, can be very, very expensive.

So before you vote for a Tea Party candidate in the rush to save a little money on taxes, please think about the party you’re voting for, and its true beliefs and goals. How many lives would have been saved, and how many trillions of dollars, if Americans had voted for their own best interests, over those of the super-rich and their political allies who crave military power, global influence and control of Middle Eastern oil fields? Are those things ordinary Americans are willing to pay for with their children’s lives?

If we put two and two together, it adds up to “vote for Democrats until Republicans regain their senses.” I say this as a Reagan Republican who changed sides when I saw and understood the handwriting on the wall.

Michael R. Burch is a Nashville-based editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and other “things literary” at www.thehypertexts.com.

56 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 12/30/11 at 1:06

Let's see; I'll bet you are a democrat, Michael. Correct? If not, how could you make such accusations against the republicans and tea partiers?

To paraphrase a question: What is your illocutionary evidence for your accusations against the republican party?

By: bfra on 12/30/11 at 3:59

yogi - Read his article 100 more times and you might understand, at least 1 sentence!

By: yogiman on 12/30/11 at 4:55

bfra,

With your being a pro-democrat with Michael, I'm sure I don't understand it the same as you.

By: dargent7 on 12/31/11 at 4:06

There's some great LTE's in USA Today re: the "War in Iraq".
That war, though not as devestating as Vietnam, still shows how screwed up America is at the hands of a Republican President.
It's the DNA. Cannot change it.
Had McSame gotton the job with that bobble-head Palin, we'd be up to our ears in Iraq for 10 more years.
That civilization is 5,000 years old and we're attempting to "free" them?
Of course, it's "not about the oil". Like these all white, rich, wealthy guys give a rat's ass about Middle Eastern people.
The only reason I know there's a God is because Barack Obama was elected President.

By: Loner on 12/31/11 at 7:45

Good morning, Nashville!

Another fine missive from the pen of Michael Burch. Nice to see a fresh NCP board to comment on.

Mr. Burch pointed to three areas of concern, vis-a-vis the Nashville Tea Party and the TP movement in general: Social injustice, Economic injustice and War. I agree with that analysis...but I think that we can safely expand on that list.

I would add, "Sliding into Judeo-Christian Theocracy", as another valid concern. All the TP-GOP candidates claim to be Christians and they blindly support the Israelis, as an article of faith.

Mitt Romney's faith, the Mormon faith, has been dubbed a "cult", by leading Christian evangelicals...internecine warfare and charges of "heresy" could be next....it's dogma eat dogma and it ain't a pretty sight. Once again....Holy Wars Suck.

If I were to critique this article, I'd have to point out that the author is using his interpretation of Christ's message, as a lash to flagellate the Tea Party, as if to rebuke them for not being Christlike enough. That in itself is an appeal to theocratic and heavenly authority.

The TP-infused GOP should pay their fair share of taxes, not out of respect for the words of Jesus, they should pay them because it is the right thing to do in a secular, constitutional and democratic republic.

Taxation is a social, legally-binding contract, not free-will tithing...we should never confuse or conflate the two.

Happy New Year, Mr. Burch and to all posters here.

By: Loner on 12/31/11 at 7:55

I had to look it up...yeah, the troll mis-used the word...he must have gotten a Thesaurus for Christmas:

Definition of ILLOCUTIONARY: relating to or being the communicative effect (as commanding or requesting) of an utterance “There's a snake under you” may have the illocutionary force of a warning." (From Merriam Webster)

Reminds me of Slip Mahoney, of the vintage Bowery Boys series...famous for asking, "What are you trying to incinerate?"

Good for a laugh, I suppose.

By: Loner on 12/31/11 at 8:03

Death by illocution? It can happen, if one foolishly grabs the third rail of pedantic pedagogy. I smell burnt Yogibear fur...poor creature...suffers from Soetero Syndrome.

By: yogiman on 12/31/11 at 8:28

dargent7,

I hope you reach the age of maturity before you become an old man. And it would help if you went to school to study history instead of "screw around" with the girls.

You remark about the republicans getting the US into wars. Based on the wars I have lived through since my childhood, may I ask, who got us into WWII? Franklin Roosevelt. Who was in charge when my enlistment was extended for a year when we went into the Korean 'conflict'? Harry Truman. Okay, Eisenhower was in charge when we began Vietnam, that makes it 2 democrat to 1 republican in putting us into war at that time. But what two presidents extended it? John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, both democrats. You comment about Bush being in charge on the Iraq conflict after the twin tower attack. If Barry is so great, why did it take him three years to end it when he argued that as a goal during his campaign? What was the reason Barry started the war in Libya?

How many other 'conflicts' has he gotten out troops in?

By: yogiman on 12/31/11 at 8:29

How many other 'conflict' has he gotten OUR troops in? Not out.

By: yogiman on 12/31/11 at 8:37

Loner,

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and meaning is in the pen of the writer, not the reader; because too many readers don't have an interpretation capacity.

Anyway, I hope you and all others on this site have a much better new year so we get a legitimate president in office.

By: Loner on 12/31/11 at 9:26

I lack the "interpretation capacity" to decipher Yogi's rantings...that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

By: Loner on 12/31/11 at 9:42

Off to the farm market in Roch...later!

By: govskeptic on 12/31/11 at 10:48

From supposedly voting for Reagan as the only Republican vote for
a Republican President in a lifetime, and from a true believing Christian Church
of their youth, and work ( Or marriage) that provides a better than average
income and home far above average value we get the advice on who
is suitable for office. It's funny how some have joined "Obama the
Magnificent" in spreading the income of others to those that make
no attempts at productivity. Yet these democratic legislators are the
very ones that are doing the majority of cutting to the very young and
elderly of this country.! These "lack of compassion" comments are
an organized and perpetual lye that appears in all talking points.

By: yogiman on 12/31/11 at 10:55

BenDover,

I always though those "robbing from Peter to pay Paul" were known a socialists. I also always thought thought the democrat were those who believed in "robbing from Peter' to keep for themselves; i.e., their team..

By: JayBee56 on 12/31/11 at 11:05

Neither Republicans, Democrats, Tea Partiers or Occupiers have all the answers. If we continue to automatically put everyone in their respective political boxes nothing will ever change. There has to be a "third way", taking the best of all and leaving the baggage. Visionaries will have to rise above their parties in order to be effective. it's easy to see where we disagree, but we can't succeed by criticizing the other side's views - we have to find commonality where we can. Drawing everyone into one camp or the other just serves to further polarize and leads to further division. But we should not be dissuaded from fiscal efficiency. That being said, cutting taxes has to be paired with auditing. The first job is to identify waste and inefficiency. But we must also continue to provide for the vulnerable of our society.

By: pswindle on 12/31/11 at 12:54

Thanks Mike,
For a true writing of what is happening in our society today.

By: Mike Burch on 12/31/11 at 1:28

Yogi,

I don't really consider myself a Democrat, just a realist. When Germans had the chance to vote for the Nazis or any other party, it's pretty obvious that they would have done better to vote for the other party. Since we have essentially a two-party system, when the Republicans spin wildly toward fascism, warmongering and denying large numbers of American citizens equality, freedom and justice ... well, it's just plain common sense to vote for the other party, at least for now.

If our votes cause Republicans to start losing elections, the party will have to reform. Then in coming elections we may have two choices again.

Right now, to vote for Republicans is like voting for proto-Nazis who are well on their way to becoming the real thing.

MIke

By: Mike Burch on 12/31/11 at 1:39

dargent7,

If anything will save us from following in the footsteps of Weimar Germany, it may be freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

I think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are much WORSE than the Vietnam War, because the wars are scaring the hell out of more than a billion Muslims, who understand what we're doing, and why, much better than most Americans. These are not "defensive" wars, but wars over global domination and oil. Muslims have every right to wonder and worry about the next war ... will it be Iran, Syria, or a World War?

I disagree that we cannot change the DNA of the Republican party. As long as we live in a democracy, we can vote against fascism and warmongering. Since Republican politicians need jobs, they will have to change their culture, if we change our votes.

I agree that electing people like McCain, Palin, et al, is a vote for never-ending war. I would throw Bachmann and Perrry into that category. They simple-mindedly believe that Israel and the US are "good" and that Muslims who don't submit to their tyranny are "the axis of evil." So the solution is not for Israel and the US to act like civilized nations, but to blow the hell out of their victims (which obviously doesn't work).

I think both wars are more about oil and global power than "democracy." The US has been supporting anti-democratic regimes in the Middle East for more than half a century. Why fight wars to establish democracies while we're giving billions of dollars and advanced weapons to tyrants? The real goals are obviously oil and power.

By: Mike Burch on 12/31/11 at 1:55

Loner,

I agree with you about "Sliding into Judeo-Christian Theocracy", absolutely. A good book on the subject is "American Theocracy," which explains how Christian fundamentalism and oil affect our government in very bad ways.

I also agree with you that "all the TP-GOP candidates claim to be Christians and they blindly support the Israelis, as an article of faith." Unfortunately, many Democrats also blindly support Israel, or at least are not willing to speak the truth because they don't want to lose votes and campaign money. As a result, the US can never do what needs to be done in the Middle East, as the tail wags the dog, and the dog ends up fighting decade-long wars that resolve nothing.

I completely agree that "Holy Wars Suck." The US keeps shooting itself in the foot, largely because the American public insists on believing that Israel and the US are "the good guys" and acts of Islamic terrorism are about religion and "values" rather what they are really about: the refusal of some Muslim men to accept the tyranny of Israel and the US on their native soil.

I disagree that I invoked any "theocratic and heavenly authority." All I did was point out the obvious hypocrisy and leave it up to readers to form opinions. People who believe in Jesus and the Bible should consider whether Jesus would have sided with Pharisee-like conservative Republicans. I think the answer is clearly "no." Non-Christians may find the hypocrisy one more good reason not to believe. In any case, I don't think it's wrong to point out the hypocrisy, and it was not my intention to give the impression that I was speaking for God.

By: Mike Burch on 12/31/11 at 2:01

dargent7,

One of my biggest areas of disagreement with President Obama is his reliance on the U.S. military as an "agent of change and democracy."

But I think in terms of warmongering he falls far short of the unholy Trinity of GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Obama voted against the invasion of Iraq, along with the majority of House Democrats. Republicans like McCain, Palin, Bachmann, et al, have made it clear that they would have us engaged in wars in the Middle East from now until doomsday. McCain said that we should be willing to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years, if necessary. Palin spoke publicly about bombing Iran in order to "support" Israel, which has hundreds of nukes and the fourth-most-powerful military on the planet.

When it comes to warmongering, right now it seems we can only choose the lesser of two evils. One more Republican president like GWB could plunge us into WWIII.

By: Mike Burch on 12/31/11 at 2:17

JayBee56,

While I agree with you in theory, I think we have to be realistic today. In the U.S., much of what happens next will depend on one of two choices. Unfortunately, we have essentially a two-party system. In most elections, either the leading Republican candidate will win, or the leading Democratic candidate.

Once elected, most American politicians vote along party lines. This is unfortunate, but true. We can see this clearly in the way Republicans vote enmasse against any proposal by President Obama and Democrats that would result in a fairer system of taxation.

So when we vote, we have to consider not just the candidate, but the overall direction of his/her party.

The point I made is, I believe, a valid one. The Republican party has been sliding backwards into fascim, warmongering, and social and economic injustices. There is a simple way to halt that slide, and that is to vote for Democrats until the Republican part comes to its senses.

We can change the direction of our country with our votes, or we can accelerate its course in the wrong direction. Both parties have been overspending. But after Republicans get elected with promises of cutting spending and taxes, the rest of their agenda kicks in, and in my opinion that means national disaster, and perhaps World War III due to our policies in the Middle East.

So while I agree with you, I stand by what I said. The best way to reform American politics is to stop voting for people with the wrong agenda, whose heads are full of irrational beliefs and very bad ideas.

If you study what happened to Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, you can see how bad things can get, quickly. I think it's up to American voters to open their eyes and see that progress in the right direction requires us to read the writing on the wall, and understand that we are not just voting for individuals, but for a party whose ideas and agendas are very, very dangerous.

By: yogiman on 12/31/11 at 9:22

Mike,

I agree with you on your personal thoughts. That's why we have different brains in our skulls. It boils down to the thought; "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". Thoughts are in the mind of the thinker.

Actually, I can't see much difference between the two major parties. The congress of today is nothing like the congress of just a few decades ago.

Congress was established by our founders to manage out government. Congressmen, by our Constitution, are our employees. They have assumed the position they are our parents.

We live under more government control today than ever before in this nation. As I have said for several years now, we are on the road to socialism and just around the corner to communism.

The government began the "take over" when they took over the education of the children.

What is the purpose of teaching every child in public schools the same subject? That, Mike, takes individuality away from those children. That is the progress of teaching the children to accept communism as their natural way of life.

I know we have virtual disagreements over many things. Mostly the man sitting in the Oval Office, but history and facts should show an intellegrnt person what is happening in our nation today.

So many think because a person in born on US soil they are natural born citizens, but when I make the point about if that was a fact, a child being born to an illegal alien being then taken to their homeland, they would be eligible to run for the President's office at the age of 35.
That's like saying all plants are equal.

We know all trees are plants, but we should also know that all plants are not trees.

By: yogiman on 12/31/11 at 9:34

One more point, Mike. You comment about the republican party basically being warmongers. May I ask: Who started WWII? Who started Korea? Who stopped Korea? Who started Vietnam? Who expanded the Vietnam war?

Name all wars we have been in and see who started them. It's basically six of one and half a dozen of the other.

I believe wars are the way to keep the world's population under control. Even though there are wars all over the earth at all times, the world population continues to grow enormously.

In my 81 years on this earth, I can't remember any time there was peace all over the world.

By: Nitzche on 1/1/12 at 4:08

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, can you get a new arguement?

By: yogiman on 1/1/12 at 5:51

Yep,

What's your subject?

By: yogiman on 1/1/12 at 8:40

Nitzche,

I gave the 'posters' on this site my word I would "keep it quite" until Monday. Being a man of my word I'm anxiously waiting for tomorrow. I'm sure you'll enjoy my "offering" then.

By: Loner on 1/1/12 at 11:17

Thanks, Mike, for the personal response.

I look forward to your next article.

May 2012 be filled with good health, peace and prosperity!

By: BenDover on 1/2/12 at 8:07

Burch... you misrepresent your opposition here as usual.

Conservatives don't disagree with altruism, or the goal of assuring the well being of their fellow man. They just disagree that government to a greater and greater degree is the proper vehicle with which to accomplish this. Putting a gun to someone's head and telling him or her to 'pay up' is not righteous for either the thief, the beneficiary or the victim.

Increasing taxes on one group to benefit another is a zero sum game even negating the huge overhead of the government middle-man. Ironically people buy and produce based on their net incomes anyway so to the degree our tax system becomes more progressive the greater the unskilled and semi-skilled people are punished because you find more and more the people with means doing their own unskilled and semi-skilled work (or investing in automation, or offshoring said unskilled labor in the form of an increasing trade deficit) You have created a system where every $1 saved is the same as $1.50 earned and this is the result of it. Auto Zone and Home Depot are the beneficiaries not those you purport to help.

And since it's the net income by which people are ultimately motivated, you find also that in order to lure that professional 2nd earner off the bench you have to really pump up the gross income to compensate for the fact that 1/2 the 2nd income of married professionals goes to taxes of one form or another.

Your cure is the cause Burch... and as I've said before you simply have not learned enough to know how little you know.

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 8:51

Well, Nitzche,

It looks like Barry has brought his social agenda to the front lately. Check out www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublicHome.aspx

Barry is saying he has the right to take you and give to others. SafeLink Wireless is a government supported program that provides a free cell phone and 250 minutes air time each month for "income-eligible customers".

I don't know about you, but I always thought customers were those who bought what they wanted, not those simply given given what they wanted. I call that welfare state, not customer service... or has our English language been changed?

Our ship of state is sinking fast. We have now been placed over $14 trillion dollars in debt and the usurper in office is giving free phone service, "because they need it".

The irrational point is; congress is backing him and working with him to "rob from Peter to pay Paul".

By: Loner on 1/2/12 at 11:30

Well, Doctor Dover, you delivered an expected rebuke.

Mike can handle this by himself...I'll butt out, for now...gotta go and occupy Orleans County again today...reinforcements from Rochester may show up....have signage will occupy.

I see that Soetero Syndrome is still with us in 2012...Yogi's lament: "We have now been placed over $14 trillion dollars in debt and the usurper in office is giving free phone service, "because they need it"

He just can't let it be....poor creature...."USURPER"...."USURPER"...."USURPER"....
"NATURAL BORN"...."NATIVE BORN"..."NATURAL BORN"...."NATIVE BORN"...

See ya later!

By: billbythelake on 1/2/12 at 2:18

"Who started WWII??" ??? Seriuously, dude, your hatred of Obama is getting the best of you. Most people accept that the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor ended American neutrality and started WWII (as far as the US goes). Roosevelt did not bomb Pearl Harbor, he did not start WWII, neither did the Democrats.

"Who started the Korean War?" Again, your hatred of Obama has gotten you into absurd waters. Most people recognise that the North Koreans crossed into South Korea, which drew the UN (and thus the US) into the defense of South Korea. Truman did not invade South Korea, he did not start the Korean war.

Look, I am not an Obama lover. I think he's done a few things very well, a few things very poorly, and a lot of things just average. But when blind hatred of Obama distorts history, it's time to call folks on their BS. Continual questioning of his birth certificate--alluded to by calling him an "usurper"--is absolutely the mark of blind hatred. What rational person could not accept the multiple verdicts of officials (including Republicans) from the state of Hawaii concerning his citizenship as well as two independent newspaper announcements??

During the first Obama election campaign, every day my inbox at work had emails with various "facts" denouncing Obama. A quick Google search revealed that most of these denunciations were sheer fabrications!! On the other hand, I don't recall seeing a single email denouncing the Republicans. Curious isn't it?

Again, I do not care for many of the Democrat initiatives (nor do I support all of the poistions of the far right). I consider myself a moderate, supporting a few very conservative views as well as a few liberal views. But any discussion of an issue or a candidate should be based on verifiable facts. I cannot take anyone seriously (whether commentator, politician, or average public citizen) when their statements include words such as "Usurper" or "Kenyan" or any of the various permutations of Obama's names. Like it or not, he earned the right to be called President.

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 2:32

To update the few of you "Obama" lovers, this is a narrative from a Sunday morning televised "Meet the Press" show (9/7/08). Then Senator "Barack Obama" was asked about his stance on the American Flag. How does your stance compare to his?

General Bill Ginn, USAF (ret.) asked "Obama" to explain why he didn't follow the protocol when the National Anthem is played. The General stated to "Obama" that according to the United Stats Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171, during the rendition of the National Anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with their right hand over their heart.. or at the very best, "Stand and Face It".

Then Senator "Obama" replied: "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides. There is a lot of people is the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppressions. The anthem itself conveys a was-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.

"The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing'. If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.

"In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance in the Middle East Brethren.

"If we, as a Nation or waring people, conduct ourselves like the middle of Islam, where peace prevails.. perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments.

"When I become President, I will seek a part of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice which is why my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past.

"Of course now, I have found myself about to become President of the United States aned I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our country's first 'Black Family'. Indeed, change is about to overwhelm the United States of America."

If you want a Muslim in that office illegally to take our nation into Islam, you're going to deserve what you get. I hope you understand what communism means in government.

By: billbythelake on 1/2/12 at 2:47

Yogiman, your claims about Obama and the National Anthem are completely FALSE.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

Please stop letting your blind hatred rule your words. Take a few moments to investigate for yourself.

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 2:55

billiethelake,

I do not hate "Obama" as a person. I hate him for the kind of person he is. I would hate anyone who usurped that office like he did. Think of me as you wish. I know me. You don't.

And I know the Presidential requirements of our Constitution. Apparently, you and many of the others don't. There is no way in cornbread hell Barry Soetoro could be a natural born citizen.

There is much that can be said about the US becoming a communist nation but with the education the government put on the children over the past several decades has brought us up to the corner of the turn of the road.

With Barry Soetoro's usurpation of that office, that should wake the people up. And I hope many have. Why did several states find more votes than the number of registered voters they have after the 2008 election?

As you may have noted, gun sales and ammo has picked up immensely since he has been in office. And as I've said before, the point congress allowed this to happen should wake you up.

Its going to be interesting to see if any of the states pass a bill requiring proof of eligibility next year.

By: billbythelake on 1/2/12 at 3:01

He meets every Constitutional requirement there is. Evidently you aren't quite the Constitutional expert you think you are.

What part of "natural-born" don't you get? He was born in Hawaii, which was a US state at the time of his birth. That makes him a natural-born citizen.

If there was ANY credible evidence that he was not natural-born, or that he somehow did not meet the requirements of the Constitution, don't you think that the Republican leaders would've jumped on that?

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 3:16

billbythelake,

Question: How do you know he was born in Hawaii? Really, what do you know about him?

You say simply being born in Hawaii makes him a natural born citizen, even though the man supposed to be his father was not a citizen of the US. He wasn't even a legal immigrant. He was a foreign student using a temporary student visa.

You need to study the laws a little more. You inherit your family name and citizenship from your father. The best he could have gotten would have been dual citizenship but with his mother being only 18 she could not pass her citizenship to him to make him a dual citizen.

As he stated in his autobiography, he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather because Indonesia would not accept a child into their school unless they were a Indonesian citizen.

Indonesian would not accept dual citizenship at that time. If he ever was an American citizen he would have lost it when he became an Indonesian citizen. Once you lose your citizenship, the only way you can repatriate it is though naturalization. Barry Soetoro is not a natural born citizen.

Why do you think he has spent so much keeping his records under lock and key?

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 3:35

billbythelake,

Referring to your comment about my post of the interview with Gen. Ginn, I'll agree, I'm not a computer expert like you young'uns. I do know, though, what I saw him NOT do on television, and I don't believe the TV was lying.

Barry Soetoro (your boy Barack) refused to wear a flag pin until he was "nominated" by the Democratic party for election (or should I say appointed?).

I also saw him stand and refuse to salute the flag when the National Anthem was being played. He simply stood there with his hand clutched over his crotch.

And since that was when it was happening I could readily assume it wasn't a fake display.

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 3:57

billbythelake,

Wanna read something interesting?

Go to www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/barack-hussein-obama-sr-immigration-file.

Also check the document from "documents show marriage of Obama's parents a sham".
by google.

billbythelake, there is more sham in Soetoro's usurpation of office than you can imagine.

You might also like to read his "autobiography" "Dreams from My Father".

By: billbythelake on 1/2/12 at 4:13

I believe the only thing you saw on TV was in your mind. There are videos plainly showing him saluting the flag during the Anthem, and NO videos of him disrespecting it. Another of your falsehoods, I'm afraid.

Who is this Barry Soetoro? I'm serious. The President of the United States is Barack Obama. Like it or not, he met all the Constitutional requirements and he was elected President and duly sworn in. Like it or not, the President of the United states is a Hawaii-born, half-black, Christian natural-born citizen named Barack Obama.

The Republican party despises Obama with all their might; they would like nothing more than gettting Obama's election invalidated. Yet the Republican party has thousands of lawyers on staff, and many of their elected members are lawyers, including top Constitutional experts. Somehow I suspect they know a thing or too more about the Constitution than you! Same with the Fox News network, they too despise Obama, and they have thousands of investigative reporters on staff. But not a single shred of credible evidence has been put forth invalidating Obama's election. Even Donald Trump couldn't find anything to suggest otherwise, despite all his money and bluster.

So go on, spout more anti-Obama falsehoods. Here's what's going to happen: there's a whole bunch of moderates like me who technically fall in the "undecided" category when it comes to choosing a political party. We hear ravings from folks on the far right, the musings of madmen, who make no sense and whose falsehoods are apparent. We hear Republican candidates like Perry and Santorum and Bachmann who endorse the ravings from the far far right. Those of us in the middle, who are willing to keep an open mind and actually think for ourselves, will vote for the candidate who appears logical and honest. So far Obama has been far more honest and logical than the far-right fringe. And for those of us that actually understand the difference between Marxism, communism, socialism, fascism, and capitalism: we can easily recognize that Obama is neither Marxist nor communist nor socialist.

Which actually is somewhat sad, as far as today's crop of political candidates...I consider Obama to be merely average, mediocre in most respects. But he beats the theocracy being espoused by his Republican rivals.

By: shinestx on 1/2/12 at 4:34

Let's see, federal spending has risen by 32% since the Democrats took over both chambers of Congress in 2007, and the national debt has increased by 27% since Obama came to office, and the Democrats still haven't given us a budget in three years!!!!! Mr. Burch, these are but the most immediate reasons why people should vote ONLY Tea Party in November. Nothing short of our nation's survival depends on it... and to distract people from this issue is merely attempting to help the Democrats stay in power. They have failed and they have let down their supporters. Time to clean house.

By: pswindle on 1/2/12 at 6:02

Our country went in the hole and beyond with George Bush and Dick Chaney. President Obama had to save this country which Bush had no clue in knowng what to do. Bush hid the last 6 months of his presidency because he was in over his head and he was lost and there were no one there that would help or could help.
Do you know how much money that was wasted in Bush's wars? What did he accomplish? This idea of spending had to be done and you know it. That is how President Roosevelt pulled us back from total doom. President Obama took office in January, 2009. Bush was still in charge in 2007, and he had the veto pen. As hard as you would like to blame President Obama for this mess, it just can't be done. We would never have been in this trouble had Bush not stolen the 2000 election. We will pay for Bush's lack of leadership and knowledge for many years to come.

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 6:37

Billbythelake,

Barry Soetoro is the name given to Barack Obama when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.

When he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro so he could go to school in Indonesia he lost his American citizenship (if he had it) because Indonesia would not accept children in their schools who weren't Indonesian citizens.

Hell, just read a few of the laws on the subject. He received his Kenyan citizenship from his father. (Where did you get your family name and citizenship?) By the laws of 1961, at her age of 18, his mother could not pass dual citizenship on to him.

Obama was not raised in a Christian family. Including his stepfather, the paternal side of his family were all Muslims. He went to school with Muslim children in Indonesia. His mother, grandparents and all of their friends were communists.

You state you saw him salute the flag during the Anthem: When? After his election? It sure wasn't before.

I saw him at an event with his hands over his crotch before he was nominated, and he sure as hell wasn't saying the pledge with his mouth shut.

You people need to learn something about someone you know nothing about before you accept him in the highest office in this nation. Seek, and ye shall fine. If he was in that office legitimately, why do you think he has spent so much keeping his history secret? What doesn't he was us to know? After all, he's supposed to be our leader setting perfect examples for us to follow, isn't he?

By: yogiman on 1/2/12 at 6:55

pswindle,

I agree, our nation went deeper in the hole with Bush than it was when he took over. But then you boy Barry took over to pull us out of that hole.

Now, how do you explain when he has gotten us deeper into debt than all presidents before him... combined?

I'm no fan of Bush. But he did not steal the election. Al Gore tried to. Hell, Al couldn't carry his own state. Ever wonder why?

The Florida court made several counts and Al kept throwing more votes in the pot.

Ever wonder why the ballots for our service men were sent to them too late to vote? Every wonder why Al didn't want them to vote?

By: Lou2 on 1/2/12 at 9:47

billbythelake, Don't take the bait. This is yogiman's thing. Others have tried....

By: spooky24 on 1/3/12 at 3:09

Michael, it's such a shame that you have no credibility other than song lyrics and poetry. Your own racist views spew hatred to anyone and everyone you seem to see as political opportunists or opponents.
There is a common form of self love based on a the story of The Metamorphoses by Ovid. It tells the fate of a young man who can see no further than the beauty of his own reflection. In your case it's the reflection of your own warped intelligence that you perpetuate as fact.
Perhaps, you know this already, and feel empowered to share your thoughts as if they are the only ones that matter.
It's amazing-well not really-that you can't see how overwhelming inconsistent your thoughts and opinions are-I believe the term for you is Sociopath.
However, not to fear--almost all sociopaths have above average intelligence and are very wordy and full of self admonishment and illusions of their own place in their world-that world in which you are right and everyone else is wrong.

sp

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