Burch: President Barack Obama 'outed'

Friday, May 11, 2012 at 9:40pm
By Michael R. Burch

Now that President Barack Obama has “come out of the closet” by announcing his support for gay marriage, Tennessee is once again making headlines by remaining a bastion of bigotry. For instance, when Julie Pace wrote about Obama’s history-making announcement for the Associated Press, she quoted Cynthia-Andrews Looper, the pastor of a local church. Looper believes gay marriage will one day be accepted “even” in places like Nashville but says it “will take time.”

How much time? If the past is prelude, perhaps decades or centuries.

It once took Tennesseans a considerable length of time to stop stealing land from Native Americans and forcing them to walk the Trail of Tears. It also took Tennesseans considerable time (not to mention “persuasion” by the federal government) to give up the idea that they could enslave other people and profit from their misery. Then it took even longer for Tennesseans to realize that women and minorities were not really “inferior” to white men and grant them equal rights.

Is there, perhaps, a pattern that Nashvillians might discern after 233 years of white heterosexual male chauvinists denying other people basic human rights? Nashville was founded in 1779, while the ink was still fresh on the American Declaration of Independence’s ringing line that “all men are created equal.” But when have our city, state or nation ever lived up to that creed, for everyone?

True equality remains an elusive dream because the men in power always favor people who — unsurprisingly — look and act like themselves. Such bigotry has created no end of suffering for minorities, women, homosexuals and non-Christians, through the years.

How would one of those white heterosexual male chauvinists feel, if the government wouldn’t allow him to marry the person he preferred? How would he feel if the government claimed that his church was “dangerous” because someone of the same faith had committed a crime, and he was therefore suspected of being a “terrorist” due to guilt by association, even though he was personally innocent?

Bigots lack the empathy to step into someone else’s shoes and share their pain. While I am not gay, I can easily imagine the pain and grief of a gay man who is being denied the right to marry the person he loves. And I know that his marrying another man is not going to make me suddenly want to desert my lovely wife. So why should he be denied the right to marry the person he loves? As the basketball saying goes, “No harm, no foul.”

If anyone understands the Southern penchant for bigotry, it’s undoubtedly Barack Hussein Obama, whose skin color, unusual-sounding name and possibly unorthodox religious beliefs make it impossible for him to win states like Tennessee, where the “good ole boys” rule the roost and regularly come up with such legislative gems as the recent “Guns in Bars,” “Don’t Say Gay” and “No Hand-Holding” bills.

Why did Barack Obama “come out” shortly before the upcoming election? Probably because he understands that the people who call him a Muslim, the anti-Christ and the Devil are the same people who are bigoted against homosexuals and want to deny them the right to marry. They’re not going to vote for him, so he can do the right thing without major political consequences. Or perhaps his thinking really did evolve, and he simply changed his mind, as many other Americans have done.

I wish President Obama had done the right thing sooner, but I’m glad that he did the right thing in this lifetime. How long will it take for the majority of Tennesseans to realize that it is just as wrong to discriminate against homosexuals as it was to discriminate against minorities and women? When will they finally realize that it’s wrong to discriminate against Tennessee Muslims who never hurt a fly in decades of peaceful coexistence? Hopefully sooner rather than later, but I’m not holding my breath.

Michael R. Burch is a Nashville-based editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and other “things literary” at www.thehypertexts.com.

123 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 5/12/12 at 5:34

Tennessee is already being held up as a national laughing stock in an article on MSN.COM about, as best I could understand, legislation banning any discussions by teachers which could lead to what was refered to as Gateway Sexual Activity, so why not add fuel to the fire?

I may be on the upper end of the age scale, and a practicing heterosexual, however, when I consider the number of people who have identified themselves as gay or bisexual, I am able to reason there may be more who opt for an alternate lifestyle than society realizes.

In Europe, where I spent over a decade, most people just shrugged and went on with their lives. They really didn't care who was attracted to whom as long as they were of legal age and the same species.

Don't we have enough truly serious problems facing our nation such as the economy, unemployment, wars, etcetera that sexual orientation should not even be on the radar?

Personally, I don't care if homosexuals have the right to marry. It is their business, and, as long as they respect my, "No thank you, I'm straight," let them be as happy or miserable as the straight world.

For those expressing religious based objections, remember the teachings you learned and just be happy that they eventually will have to answer to God. The down side, as I recall is, those persecuting others will also have to answer. Something I recall Jesus said about having done this to the least, has done the same to Him.

So, let us not allow either party to utilize this as a smoke screen, and seek out their true agendas.

By: Ask01 on 5/12/12 at 5:42

One more item I failed to mention. It really has nothing to do directly with the subject at hand, but does illustrate how we as a state are viewed by others.

Has anyone else read the article on MSN.com? The one about "No Gateway Sexual Activity" in Tennessee schools.

As if this state and the south aren't already regarded poorly enough. Let's not let our responses to this make us look any more foolish.

OK, maybe that wasn't so off topic.

I know others are going to drag this of on an entirely different, but predictable tangent. You know what ans who I mean. Just wait, you'll see.

By: dargent7 on 5/12/12 at 5:43

Great article, Mike.
I'm as liberal as it gets, and I do believe trees have feelings.
But, I just cannot get behind this gay marriage thing.
Trust me, gays deserve to be as miserable as the rest of us, but getting married crosses the line. Live together, buy a car together, buy a house together,...get a financial advisor, buy cemetary plots next to each other.
But marriage? No.
I have to cut this short since Lowes just opened and they're having a sale on chicken coops. With the Corvair up on bricks and the two plastic pink flamingos in the front yard, I thought I'd ruin the back yard, too.

By: dargent7 on 5/12/12 at 5:48

Ask01: All you need to know is Tenn. voted for GW Bush, twice. Tenn. hates Al Gore. Says Global Warming is a hoax. Hates President Obama. Guy's the most intelligent man on this planet. More than Nelson Mandela, Mohandas Ghandi, even Curly of The Three Stooges.
Any moron running a meth lab knew Iraq had zero to do with 9/11.
But, Tenn. went along for the ride, anyway.
10 years and a trillion later...for what? Iraqi's have a polo team in the summer Olympics?
Who give's a shit?

By: govskeptic on 5/12/12 at 6:44

I'm amazed the author can continue to live in a state that he feels is so
bigoted, backward, ignorant, politically incorrect, corrupt, and so very
far behind the times in virtually every aspect of life! The President's
original plan was to come out with his "evolved" support just prior
to the Democratic Convention, but fund raising events created a
more immediate conclusion. This timing has given the re-election
effort another bye week on discussing the truest problems facing
the nation and administration, so for that, I'm sure they are
thankful!

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 7:47

Anyone who thinks homosexual behavior is normal, aren't normal humans. All creatures put on this earth, including humans, were designed to be able to replace themselves. Therefore, every form of life I've ever heard of or read of has two "sexes", male and female. It takes two to tango and one of each sex to replace their species.

Homosexuality is not a normal phase of life.

By: Ask01 on 5/12/12 at 11:21

From everything I have been able to glean from reading the opinions of mental health professionals and others who study developmental issues of human beings, the consensus seems to be homosexuality is not truly a choice, but a complex process dealing with predisposition, environmental, and genetic factors. Most believe a person's orientation is determined early in life.

In short, confirmed, serial heterosexuals such as me should have no fear of being around these people since the gay won't rub off.

The caveat however, is if a person has repressed homosexual tendencies, often manifested by violent anti gay outbursts in an effort to deny uncomfotable feelings, that person could be tempted to 'experiement.'

Personally, I don't care. This is a personal issue for folks and so long as they maintain a respectable public image, what they do in private is none of my concern, nor should it be any concer of anyone else.

As far as the inevitable reading from religious sources which I'm certain will soon appear, I would say the issue is between these folks and God.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 12:02

Ask01,

As an old man, I've been down a long hard road in my lifetime and I've know many homosexual men. Being the "upfront" kind of guy I am, I asked quite a few of them (by the 'tone' of our conversation) why they "got that way".

None of them ever stated it was by their choice. Most of them didn't have sisters and basically, never learned how to "get along" with girls. All children reach that "sex age" stage of life and as you know, the "drive" sets in to automatic overdrive. Its like a: I want some dammit and I'm gonna get it. They simply didn't understand what sex was all about but they reach that age where they're "gotta git some", so they try it out with another boy.

And as you know, young people are very inquisitive.

I never talked to any lesbians on the issue but I imagine it would be the same reasons it happened to a boy.

By: govskeptic on 5/12/12 at 12:29

Speaking of "Outed"! Why has there been absolutely nothing in the CP or
any other Nashville media with info on neither the First Lady's or the
Vice President's recent visits to Nashville? Nothing about items they
discussed on these visits, number of guest attending, and most
importantly of all, how much money did each of them raise? Is it that
big a secret or the numbers too low for public broadcast? Just saying_ _ _

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 12:39

It looks like the honeymoon is over on Obama when the comedians start.

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree.. and think 25 to life would be appropriate... Jay Leno

America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask... Jay Leno

Q. Have you heard about McDonald's new Obama Value Meal?
A. Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it... Conan O'Brien

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A. A fund raiser... Jay Leno

Q. What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A. One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threat to society. The other is for housing prisoners... David Letterman

Q. If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would bed saved?
A. America!... Jimmy Fallon

Q. What's the difference between Obama and his dog Bo?
A. Bo has papers... Jimmy Kimmel

Q. What was the most positive result of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?
A. It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road... David Letterman

That gives us a way to help Egypt solve their problem of a new leader... Give them ours.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 1:31

A bigger question, govskeptic, how much did those trips cost us? Or was it out of their party's pocket?

If we paid for it, we deserve a itemized statement of what they spent our money for.

By the way; I understand the Egyptians want a Muslim as their new leader. As an ol' understanding Volunteer, I'll OK giving them ours, free.

Heck, we'll even pay for his one-way ticket over there.

By: Mike Burch on 5/12/12 at 2:48

Ask01,

The "Gateway Sexual Activity" bill you mentioned is what I referred to as the "No Hand-Holding" bill. The idea that students won't flirt, hold hands, etc., is beyond silly. The Puritans once put people in stocks and flogged them for small acts of hanky-panky. That didn't "cure" them. During the reign of the Ayatollah Khomeini, the most popular TV show in Iran was Baywatch. People would risk jail and beatings by watching the show via illegal satellite dishes.

Our current crop of moronic religious fanatics disguised as "politicians" keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. Sarah Palin preached abstinence as the "only" solution to teen pregnancy, but her unwed daughter ended up pregnant.

What actually works in the real world? Ironically, educating children so that they understand the various options available to them. Few kids are going to remain abstinent until marriage, especially now that many people don't get married until their late twenties or thirties.

Studies have shown that sexual education works better than Puritanism. But our politicians are seldom A students.

By: Mike Burch on 5/12/12 at 2:55

Ask01,

I agree that the "the gay won't rub off."

I read an article by a brain scientist, and it seems that certain parts of the male homosexual brain are more like the female brain. This might explain why some male homosexuals are more effeminate than other men, more interested in clothes, fashion, decorating, etc. And I see nothing wrong with that. Most of the gay men I know personally are nice people.

From a religious standpoint, I find it interesting that many gay men show more "fruit of the spirit" than the zealots who persecute them. Many gay men are more compassionate, gentle, etc., than the conservative Christians who condemn them to hell in the name of God, while saying that all sins of heterosexuals can be forgiven by grace.

Where did Jesus ever say that only homosexuals cannot be forgiven? It turns out that Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, so it seems unlikely that he put them in a special category.

By: Mike Burch on 5/12/12 at 3:09

Yogi,

I appreciate your comedic talents!

How funny, to suggest that we send our "Muslim" president to Egypt. That would leave us with the Romneybot -- a heartless, soulless android -- as president. Romney strapped the family dog to the roof of his vehicle for an 11-hour road trip. When the poor dog defecated all over itself in fear, Romney just hosed the dog off and resumed the trip.

Romney once held down a young man and shaved off his hair, but now can't even remember doing it, which suggests that he engaged in many such acts of bullying.

Romney seems to equate the suffering of the very poor with the "suffering" of the very rich, saying he's not worried about the very poor and will fix their problems with a wave of his magic wands, if they ever have any real problems.

You are quite a comedian, to suggest that we get rid of our president and replace him with a heartless, soulless android!

Thanks for the laugh, but now let's get serious and elect the only qualified man still running for President who has a chance to win: Barack Obama.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 5/12/12 at 3:24

Yogi,

I used to take you seriously, but I now see that you are a superior ironist. I am still laughing my a** off, over the idea that we should export our president to Egypt, which would mean ending up with the Romneybot as president. Do we want a president who ...

Panders for the votes of bigots and conspiracy theorists
Is cruel to animals, including his own dog
Bullies homosexuals
Has an offshore Cayman Island IRA worth up to $101 million dollars
Wants to preserve tax cuts for the super-rich while cutting aid to the poor and elderly
Says he will ask Bibi Netan-YAHOO what to do, before speaking himself, which will mean the US continuing to be pawns of the Israeli Injustice Machine, with our children dying in wars in the Middle East so that Jewish robber barons can continue to steal land and water from Palestinians, making peace impossible

I once called Romney, Santorum and Gingrich the Three Stooges, but compared to your powers of irony, they are merely rank amateurs! Only a comedic genius could come up with such a hilarious joke, suggesting that we replace our president with a heartless, soulless, bullying android who serves the interests of his master, Bibi Netan-YAHOO.

Mike

By: Mike Burch on 5/12/12 at 3:32

govskpetic,

The Tennessean did report the results of the First Lady's trip to Nashville. The cost to Nashville was around $7,000. I think it would be reasonable to ask politicians to pay such costs out of the funds they raise, but if so that should be the same for all politicians, not just the first black First Lady.

Why not have a local ordinance that city-incurred costs associated with fundraising must be reimbursed by the people raising the funds?

By: BenDover on 5/12/12 at 3:52

Oh geezzz... here we go. Burch elevates Gay marriage to the level of a civil right... thoroughly diminishing the real civil rights movement by comparison.

The people have a right to decide their thresholds of marriage in a society, Mike. You'd do a far better service to your cause to recognize that and try to win favor by pointing out proper inconsistencies in the driving religious doctrine rather than labeling everyone who disagrees with you as misogynist ex-slave traders who watered down the injun's fire water and stole their land.

Trying to draw a moral equivalence between recognizing Homosexual acts as main-stream and the polarized post-reconstruction civil-right battles is absurd. It's insulting, diminishing and the acme of hyperbole.

By: govskeptic on 5/12/12 at 5:07

The cost of the police handling the traffic and associated cost to the
city is not that important to me on these visits. Actually, I'm glad they
all call on the city for fund raising or just campaigning by either party!
Better that than being ignored by all. My curiosity was more in how
successful or unsuccessful were they in the fund raising effort and
some portion of the speech or comments! Apparently not braking news!

By: Loner on 5/12/12 at 5:13

Good evening, Nashville.

I missed this article on Friday, read it this morning and I'm commenting now....

Another fine missive from Nashville's own Mike Burch....than you, Mike.

I agree with Mike; the right for two people to engage in a civil contract that unites them in a legal marriage is a basic civil right...a human right.

The genders of the two individuals who wish to become each others spouses should be irrelevant....after all, we are talking about a secular agreement here, recognized by the state, not some wedding ritual performed at a church, temple or mosque.

The clergy can decide for themselves, if they wish to perform marriage ceremonies for same sex couples in their houses of worship, or not.

Nobody is insisting that all clergymen must perform marriage ceremonies uniting same sex couples in holy matrimony, even if they find the idea repulsive or sinful.

By: pswindle on 5/12/12 at 6:51

I know several good people that are gay, and they deserve happiness as much as anyone else. Why are we sticking our noses into their personal lives? Everyone deserves a chance to e happy. Mike, you state the cause beautifully. TN will be last with Mississippi and Alabama in recognizing human rights for everyone.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 7:03

Mike,

May I remind you: Obama ain't no po' boy. Where did he get become a millionaire with no family monetary background? Through his jobs?

Apparently we both have good reasons to so laugh so easily, but I can't laugh at you favoring Obama for re-election. That is, unless you are a fellow communist with him and possibly share his Muslim beliefs with him. Mike, why do you think the Communist Party of the USA is backing him so strong? Why do you think the Russian elements are backing him so strong?

But when you keep implyng him worth being re-elected, I must say I feel sorry for you if you're a true American. You're apparently a good writer, and I would presume good in your basic line of work, but you sure don't know much about people. This, unless you're also a communist in politics and a Muslim in your beliefs.

I hate to say it, but If Obama pulls it off, you can kiss the USA goodbye. We will have our first dictator.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 7:08

Mike, to follow up a little, I suggest you learn more about who Obama actually is. You think he did nothing discrediting as a young man? Heck, you're making me laugh, too. He ain't the good little boy as you seem to think of him.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 7:22

One more little followup, Mike. Would you prefer Obama as dictator serving the Russian President through George Soro rather than Romney through the Republican party? I'll take Mitt over Barry

And you know, if you really knew who Barry Soetoro was, I could understand your feeling, but you don't. You don't even know if he has ever been an American citizen. And it's obvious, if he was, he would have lost it when he was adopted as an Indonesian citizen. And once you loose your natural born status, Mike, you can't get it back through repatriation.

And I'll repeat it one more time, with congress allowing this thing to happen it should shake every bone in your body.

By: Ask01 on 5/12/12 at 7:26

Mike,

Thank you for expanding on the "Gateway Sexual Activity" bill. I whole heartedly agree anyone who believes not talking about sex with kids means they won't think about the subject, fantasize, or discuss with each other, either doesn't remember, or want to remember, their adolescent years, or was very, very sheltered.

I do remember growing up, and suspect today's crop is not much different from my generation.

They are going to be curious, and if they don't receive correct information from teachers, say, if parents fail, they will find out on their own. Teenagers today have resources unavailable to my generation, but I do believe they are as prone to stupity as we were. Oh, and everyone remembers the kid or kids in school who knew, or seemed to know way more about the subject than everyone else, and were not bashful about sharing their knowledge, right or wrong.

The bottom line to this rambling rant is teenagers and even tweens are not naive about sex in that they are surrounded by sex every day. Television and movies, and even if parents monitor closely those sources just casually glance over the magazines in the check out line or the magazine section in your local grocery.

Not just straight sex either, but all manner of alternate possibilities, tying finally back into the 'gay' subject.

Parents must realize their children WILL be exposed to things they may not agree with so to counteract those external influences, parents need to provide their offspring credible, believable, and calmly delivered insights into what they parents feel is important and must listen and respond calmly to all sorts of unbelievable questions.

I'm sorry for dragging this out so, but I believe all the ruckus about sex education and gays is totally unnecessary and unproductive, and besides, the head in the sand, denial approach, hasn't worked so well.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 8:57

Ask01,

The times they are a changing. In my generation the kids learned about sex on the farm where most of them grew up. You know, the different sex animals didn't hide when they were "involved" on producing their heirs.

Also, in those days if you needed a condom you "eased' into a drug story and "eased" up to the pharmacist and whispered something in his ear. He'd calmly slide his hand under the counter and hand it to you. And there was only one kind that I ever saw back then.

Today, you can check over the display at the checkout counter and take your pick of varieties.

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 9:01

Mike,

Wanna see something about your man Barry? Go to www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

You might enjoy it.

By: yogiman on 5/13/12 at 8:09

Mike,

May I make another idiotic comment? Thanks. I have a question: With your thoughts basing you acceptance of Barack Obama as your president (not mine), do you not wonder why the news media has been able to come out so quick, even before he has gained the the Republican nomination, with all the facts they can find of about Mitt Romney's past, even back to his boyhood days, yet they haven't yet been able to find out just who in the hell Barack Obama is after 6 years?

They can't seem to find anything about his past. They can't seem to even find where he was born.

If he was born in Hawaii, as he has claimed, there's only three places where he could have been born; one of the two hospitals (in 1961) or at home (unless it was in a car out in a parking lot), yet the news media can't seem to find out which one of the three places where he was born.

Just wondering.

By: parnell3rd on 5/13/12 at 8:46

Good morning Nashville! Just wanted to read some propaganda and read some great comments in the Music City Haters Club! Yall kill me!!!!!
Hey Yogi! Keep making them crazy!!!
Hey govskeptic! Just goes to show we don't care about the VP or 1st Lady. Tied up traffic is all they can do!
I find it ironic that then Sen. Obama said to the media "leave my children alone!" But on policy decisions he brings them into picture.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/13/12 at 8:46

Michael Burch.......You are one more piece of work. While I laud your idealistic rants, I cite 3000 years of human history from every corner of the world that has said "if you are not like me and think like me" , you are probably against me."

You can huff and puff all you want but it is not going to change human behavior. The rules are made by the oldest rule since mankind began. "Might will always make right"
This of course includes physical might,social might,intellectual might and several other mights that come to mind.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 9:26

Rasputin72,

Are you a fascist? Fascists believe that might makes "right." That kind of thinking led to to the Trail of Tears, American slavery, the Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Holocaust, and today the Nakba (Catastrophe) of the Palestinians, which led directly to 9-11 and two catastrophic wars.

Does might make right in your family? If your children disagree with you, do you intimidate or beat them?

We simply disagree. I do not believe that might makes right. I think we should have laws that give us as much personal freedom as possible, while preventing people from hurting each other unjustly.

I side with Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Einstein, JFK, Mandela and Tutu.

You seem to side with Andrew Jackson (who owned slaves and make Native Americans walk the Trail of Tears), Hitler and Stalin. They thought that might makes right, but they were wrong.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 9:32

Yogi,

As I have explained a number of times, it really doesn't matter where Barack Obama was born. Even if he was born in Kenya, or on Mars, he is a better man to run the country than Mitt Romney, who seems to lack a human heart and compassion. Romney strapped the family dog to the roof of his vehicle for an 11-hour road trip. He held down a gay student and cut off his hair, but can't even remember the event, even though the other students who helped him have all confessed and said they're sorry for what they did. Romney has equated the suffering of the very poor with the "suffering" of the very rich. He claims that he's "unemployed" and "trying to find a job" even though he has $250 dollars and could start a new company tomorrow if he wanted to.

We don't just need a smart president. We need a president with a human heart, who cares about the suffering of the 99%, not just the wallets of the 1%.

I don't care if Barack Obama was born on Mars, at least he's human.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 9:36

Ask01,

I agree, and I think other people will appreciate your thoughts, so please do chip in when you have the time.

One thing these goofy bills tell us is that many TN politicians live in a fantasy world. They ignore the facts of life and try to tell other people how to "be good" by not thinking about things we all think about, including children once they reach puberty. Ignoring or denying human sexuality is not only stupid, it's dangerous, especially for children who need to know the truth, good and bad.

We don't need moralizing busybodies running our cities, states and nation. We need people who consider facts and try to find the best solutions.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 9:38

pswindle,

Perhaps if we make our voices heard, and our votes, we can hasten the day when Tennessee will grant equal human rights to everyone.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 9:44

Dargent7,

Here's why I disagree with you. Suppose you loved someone, and the government created an arbitrary rule that said "Everyone else can marry the person they please, but Dargent7 cannot marry someone unless that person is approved by the government."

How would you feel?

The question is whether your feelings, or mine, give us the right to deny other people basic freedoms and rights, if they aren't hurting anyone unfairly. We need laws to keep people from hurting other people unfairly. But do we need laws that favor one group of people over other groups of people, when no one would be harmed by equality?

No, I don't think so. I am not gay and have no interest in being able to marry a man. But I can step into the shoes of someone who's in love, and wants to marry, but can't ... and I can feel their pain. The pain I feel for them tells me that denying them the right to marry is wrong.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/13/12 at 10:14

By: Rasputin72 on 5/13/12 at 9:46
Michael Burch.......You are one more piece of work. While I laud your idealistic rants, I cite 3000 years of human history from every corner of the world that has said "if you are not like me and think like me" , you are probably against me."
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I just wish that the narrow of mind would actually come up with some facts before they open their mouth and let their lips just flap in the wind.

Here a is a sample of 82 facts in history on homosexuals.

1- The planet Mercury is a symbol used by the transgendered community. The sign for Mercury is a crescent shape and a cross, which represents the male and female principles in harmony in an individual. Additionally, the god Mercury fathered Hermaphroditus, who had both male and female sex organs.f

2- The labrys, a double-edged hatchet or axe, is a symbol of strength and unity for the lesbian community. Demeter, the Goddess of Earth, is said to have used a labrys as her scepter, especially in religious ceremonies.f

4- Records of same-sex relationships have been found in nearly every culture throughout history with varying degrees of acceptance.a

17- In some American Indian cultures, having a same-sex attraction was called being Two-Spirited. The tribe honored such people as having special gifts and being especially blessed.e

23- Homosexuality has been recorded in China since ancient times and has often been referred to as “the cut sleeve” and “pleasures of the bitten peach.”h

26- Canadian researchers have documented what they call the “big-brother effect,” which postulates that a male with older brothers is three times more likely to be gay than a boy with no older brothers. They argue that this may be a result of the complex association among hormones, antigens, and a mother’s immune system.k

75- Some scholars have proposed that the first homosexual couple to be mentioned in history is the ancient Egyptian servants Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum who lived around 24000 B.C.f

http://facts.randomhistory.com/facts-about-lgbt.html

By: Captain Nemo on 5/13/12 at 10:16

It should not matter to anyone, whom someone can or can’t love, yet the extreme right and others feel it is their place to do so. To keep someone from doing so is cruel and mean spirited.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/13/12 at 10:28

By: yogiman on 5/12/12 at 8:47
Anyone who thinks homosexual behavior is normal, aren't normal humans. All creatures put on this earth, including humans, were designed to be able to replace themselves. Therefore, every form of life I've ever heard of or read of has two "sexes", male and female. It takes two to tango and one of each sex to replace their species.
Homosexuality is not a normal phase of life.

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Here is something for you not to believe yogiman. I know it is hard for you to understand.

The pairing of same sex couples had previously been observed in more than 1,000 species including penguins, dolphins and primates.

However, in the latest study the authors claim the phenomenon is not only widespread but part of a necessary biological adaptation for the survival of the species.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5550488/Homosexual-behaviour-widespread-in-animals-according-to-new-study.html

By: yogiman on 5/13/12 at 1:39

Nimrod,

I've known many human homosexuals in my life, but I've never known of one animal homosexual. Have you? If they got that way, who taught them; You?

By: yogiman on 5/13/12 at 2:06

Mike,

In one point of view, I'm like you in not caring where Obama was born, even if he's a US citizen (which I question). But unlike you, I do care that he's in my nation's President's chair illegally. And I do care that the unit we call our Congress is allowing it to happen.

To not to care about the legal status of the man sitting in the Oval Office of this nation our founders gave to us, based on the form of government we call our Constitution, tells me you aren't an American. If you are an American citizen, you sure aren't a true American.

If you're so willing to sit under a dictator's left arm, just wait six months, Barry Soetoro will welcome you to his club.

And if you think you know Obama, Mike, I've got news for you. You apparently have no idea who the man is. As I have stated before: you don't know his legal name, you don't know his place of birth, you don't even know his date of birth. And there's a lot more you don't know about him.

Have you ever wondered why he is so secretive with his being? Haven't you ever wondered why Congress has let this happen in our nation?

I hope I'm around when you discover your ignorance.

By: yogiman on 5/13/12 at 2:17

I believe you're a fascist more than Rasputin72, Mike, since you are so supportive of Barack Obama who is known in his communist background.

By: Ask01 on 5/13/12 at 3:46

I believe the timing of the announcement of support is excellent. Those who have been clamoring for high level support will be happy, as how much higher can you go than the president? They will most certainly remember this come election day no matter what else happens. The president isn't responsible if individual states trudge along in centuries past.

Those who are looking to use this as election year mud to be hurled about will probably be very disappointed, as I believe most voters will have forgotten the entire incident or, will be distracted by other issues and consider support of gay marriage to be an inconsequential issue.

Yes, this is excellent campaigning.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 5:51

Homosexuality most certainly does occur in nature, and has been observed in more than 1,500 species. Here's an article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

But I don't think it really matters. Most Americans who object to homosexuality do so for self-serving reasons. They don't care about homosexuality, but the Bible calls homosexuality a "sin" so the fear is that if other people practice homosexuality, God will get pissed off and start punishing the nation. Of course that would make God unjust and there is no evidence that God does any such thing. These are just religious beliefs of people who believed all sorts of bizarre things in the past, because of the Bible. The Bible commands or condones slavery, sex slavery, the stoning of boys for being "stubborn," the stoning of girls who were victims of rape, matricide, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

If people would just be honest about the Bible, they would see that there is no reason to "believe" any verses in the Bible that don't make sense. The Bible calls homosexuality an "abomination" but it also calls eating shellfish an "abomination." Why believe one verse and not the other?

We once had slavery because the Bible condones slavery. Now no one "believes" the verses about slavery. So why not just be honest and stop believing the verses about homosexuality, especially since Jesus never once mentioned homosexuality.

Jesus advocated ignoring a number of the laws of Moses, such as the ones about not eating certain foods and not working on the Sabbath if there was a chance to help someone.

Why deny millions of people human rights because of a book that endorses slavery, infanticide and genocide?

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 5:55

Ask01,

I think President Obama made the right decision. He may have made it for personal reasons, for political reasons, or both. But the bottom line is that he did something no other president has done, and openly supported fully equal rights for homosexuals. That is like other presidents taking steps to oppose slavery, and to support equal rights for minorities and women. It's a shame that presidents can't do what is right more quickly, but at least we're making progress in the right direction.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 6:00

Yogi,

Barack Obama is not a "communist" or a "Muslim." He is no more liberal than JFK, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter or Ted Kennedy. No one accused them of being communists.

Most of the nations of the free world have universal healthcare. That does not make them "communist" nations. England has had universal healthcare for many decades. Canada has universal healthcare. They are not "communist" nations.

I think your fear and paranoia are getting the best of you. If Barack Obama is the person you are afraid of, why did he go after Osama bin Laden? Why are we still fighting Islamic extremists? Why do we still have billionaire capitalists who pay minimal taxes? These are not things that communist and Islamic extremist presidents would do and allow.

By: Mike Burch on 5/13/12 at 6:03

Nemo,

I agree: bigotry is stupid and cruel. It serves no purpose and only hurts people who aren't hurting anyone themselves. We need laws to protect us from being harmed unjustly. We don't need laws to stop other people from having freedom and pleasure as long as they're not harming other people unfairly. We need laws against rape, but we don't need laws against homosexuality, because other people having homosexual sex doesn't hurt us.

Mike

By: Ask01 on 5/13/12 at 6:31

Don't misunderstand my comment, Mike.

I too, honestly believe the decision was correct and well timed.

I didn't want you to think I was being flippant or sarcastic. The timing as relates to the campaign is indeed perfect, I believe, as those supporting will remember and those opposing will find by the election too much time will have passed, and other more pressing issues arisen so they have no ammunition.

This has been an interesting conversation, but I have to work tomorrow.

Have a wonderful week folks.

By: yogiman on 5/13/12 at 9:17

Mike,

Obama was raised as a Muslim on the paternal side of his family (including his stepfather) and as a Communist on the maternal side of his family. His entire young life in his learning years was vastly with Muslims and communists.

When did he change his thoughts, beliefs and lifestyle and become a Democrat politically and accept Christian belief?

Have you ever heard of a Muslim changing their belief to Christianity? I haven't. I have heard of Democrats converting to communism, but I've never heard of a communist converting to democracy.

I hope you soon learn what you obviously don't know now.

By: pswindle on 5/13/12 at 9:40

IF WE WANT A CHRISITAN PRESIDENT, WE HAVE ONLY ONE CHOICE, AND THAT CHOICE IS PRESIDENT OBAMA. ROMNEY IS NOT A CHRISITAN. HE IS A MEMBER OF A CULT THAT GETS THEIR TEACHING FROM THE BOOK OF MORMANS. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE A FAMILY MEMBER MARRIED A MORMAN. THE MORMAN TEACHING WAS FOUNDED BY JOSEPH SMITH IN 1830. YOGI, YOU NEED HELP IN GETTING OVER YOUR OBSESSION AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT.

By: yogiman on 5/14/12 at 1:29

I must differ with you, pswindle. Our President doesn't have to be Christian. We have had a Catholic as well. The only restrictions to become President is age and natural born citizenship status.

I'm afraid you're the one who doesn't have knowledge of Obama. As I have stated before, you don't even know the man's legitimate name or birthplace. How can you be sure Barack Obama Sr. is his father?

Not to care is showing your ignorance.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/14/12 at 6:01

Mike Burch..........I went back and re-read my post. I wanted to make sure that I was not endorsing the oldest culture in the world. My comments were that "might makes right" has been the standard of human behavior since man began to have dialogue with other humans.. It is not going to change. There are so many underclass and unemployed and uneducated and unsophisticated and unsuccessful people in the United States today that they are going to use their might to unseat the successful. They will be lead by intellectual class envy people like you.