Burch: Republican hit list

Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 10:05pm
By Michael R. Burch

Should Nashvillians applaud when Tennessee Republicans strive earnestly to “protect” us with bills that discriminate against gays, Muslims, Hispanics, teachers, students, union members, pregnant teens, the poor, the elderly and other people on their ever-expanding hit list?

After all, most of us don’t fall squarely in the Republicans’ bulls-eye — or at least not yet.

Will Nashvillians be “safer” when gays don’t have the right to work or marry, when Muslims don’t have the right to worship freely, when Hispanics can be pulled over without provocation because they “look wrong,” when teachers are denied the right to bargain collectively, when students are denied the right to the best possible education because teachers can make more money working as waiters, when union members have to accept whatever pay and benefits their employers deign to offer them, and when the poor and elderly are no longer such financial burdens to the rich and powerful?                    

Will Nashvillians be “safer,” really? Or are we risking our own rights and freedoms when we strip other people of theirs?             

And what happens if we’re next on the Republicans’ hit list of “out of favor” minorities? What will happen to atheists, agnostics, free-thinkers, Hindus, Buddhists and people who believe the government should stay out of their bedrooms? One we allow bigoted moralists to dictate how everyone else should live, how will we avoid descending into the fanaticism and fascism that once led to the downfall of Weimar Germany?

Today we may be reasonably “safe” if we’re not gay, Muslim, Hispanic, poor or elderly. How truly wonderful it is to be part of the majority in a democratic nation! But a true democracy does not allow the majority to strip minorities of their rights and freedoms. As soon as that process begins, it can easily avalanche, as it did in Germany and other nations where the “chosen few” gained absolute or near-absolute power. Then people who had been in favor found themselves suddenly out of favor, without the protections of just laws and courts.

Which is the greater danger to Nashvillians: the “danger” of treating all law-abiding citizens as equals, or the danger of creating ever-expanding classes of “out of favor” citizens who are considered “criminals” or “problems” in advance, due to guilt by association?

Quite obviously, the second danger is the only true concern, because some rich, powerful moralist or bigot might decide that we are “too different” and therefore “dangerous,” even though we’ve done nothing to harm anyone else.

So when gays and Muslims march for equal rights, in effect they’re marching for our rights to remain free and equal, in a true democracy that does not unfairly favor the majority over any minority. If we want to protect our personal rights and freedoms, we should join them, before it’s too late. 

Michael R. Burch is a Nashville-based editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and other “things literary” at www.thehypertexts.com.

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Tagged: Buddists | gays | Hindus | muslims

106 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 4/22/11 at 9:03

I'd recommend Mark Steyn's 'America Alone' before submitting to the moral equivalency argument there Mike. Islam is as much a political movement as it is a religious movement and it's a movement on the move... inconsistent with Western values, liberties and traditions.

By: house_of_pain on 4/22/11 at 9:05

Because, Ben, it will not be offered to all children "trapped" in the public school system. Certain groups will be given preferential treatment.
Even though I live a paycheck-to-paycheck existence, my child would most certainly not be given the same consideration.
Also, I'm not looking to give money to any religion-oriented institution.

By: BenDover on 4/22/11 at 9:16

Not to be critical there house but how is one lower income kid getting out and going to a private school and leaving 1/2 of the money that would be spent by the state to educate him with the school going to hurt your child in the least?

By: pswindle on 4/22/11 at 9:17

If all of this money is given to private schools for public school students education, there will not be private school anymore because the private school students will want their fair share, and it will become another public school with the same problems. Do you think that MBA or Harpeth Hall will take the vouchers?

By: jvh2b on 4/22/11 at 9:21

Bravo Mike - great letter

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 9:48

Voodoo economics...from (Witch) Doctor Dover...defunding the public schools is good for the kids, good for society and good for the taxpayers....not only that, faith-based education should be supported by other people's money.

Oh yeah..my crystal balls - the spheres of clairvoyance - see the whole thing from here...Doctor Dover is inserting pins into dolls and splattering chicken blood on a soon-to-be-sacrificed goat....it's Voodoo economics....scary stuff...and I thought Ben was a Christian man.

By: BenDover on 4/22/11 at 9:48

lol loner.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 10:08

I agree, great letter Mike. The list of Tea-Party-Targeted Americans includes: Secular humanists, union-members, Biology teachers, environmentalists, Muslims, Hispanics, GLBT's, the ACLU... as well as the US Dept. of Education, NEA, OSHA, the IRS, NPR and Planned Parenthood.

Maybe we should print-up some Tee-shirts with a large target silk-screened on the back, along with the text: Tea-Party-Targeted American. Millions have been targeted, sales could be brisk. Let's squeeze the tea bag.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 10:25

Hey Darge, Detroit is about to erupt into riots? The motorcycle-riding, Quran-burning, pistol-packing preacher is stirring up the hate in Motor City...great story and video here:


Pastor Jones should set up shop in TN...he could get vouchers for kids to attend his "schools".

Jonestown had a knucklehead pastor named Jones...is this goofball a relative?

He's got that chopper 'stache working overtime..I say let the Muslims have at him...let him be a Judeo-Christian martyr...it's his 1st Amendment right, right?

Or is the public's right to peace, law and order more important here? It's a tough one.

By: dargent7 on 4/22/11 at 10:30

Dearborn, Mich. had the largest Muslim population outside the Mid-East when I left that sh**thole in 1988 for good.
Not ONE demonstration after 9/11 there, denouncing the terrorists. Not one.
And we want them infiltrating their "message" here?
I don't care because I'm just passing thru.
Not quickly enough, it turns out.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 10:39

This Pastor Terry Jones is truly a loose cannon; read this:

(WJBK) - Controversial Pastor Terry Jones made a name for himself after burning a Koran to protest radical Islam. On Thursday, Jones fired bullet into the floorboard of his car.

It happened in the parking lot at FOX 2 just moments after he appeared on live TV with Huel Perkins on the "Let it Rip' show.

Southfield Police say the gun accidentally discharged. No one was hurt. No Charges were filed. Police gave the gun back to Jones and sent him on his way.


By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 10:44

After 9-11, every sensible Muslim in the USA was hunkered down, shit-scared of the potential for mindless violence directed at them....they were not in the demonstrating mood, Darge....can you blame them for that?

Do you support Pastor Jones' Quran-burning, Islamophobic ministry? Stirring up the hate in your old stompi'n grounds...and you are OK with that?

By: GUARDIAN on 4/22/11 at 11:29

GUARDIAN-Michael you poor whiny little thang. Are you spinning for votes here or just making water to see if it blows back in your face. lol Can't you find more groups to say Republicans are being mean to. What about the blind the new born babies the mentally handicapped (so you can help yourself) and make it all illegals not just the mexicans . Toss in that it's George W. Bush's fault. Remind everyone that baroot, barry or whatever his name is might be the second coming and yes we can (destroy America) and the hope that you liberal socialist progressives can succeed is still alive and well.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 11:44

I did not hear the "whine" in Mike's letter....but I can smell the cheese in GUARDIAN's personal attack(s). Smells like a member of the blue cheese group.

I like the nomenclature "baroot". That's a new one...is that your own varietal, Guardian, or is that commercially available?

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 11:47

A slice of aged "baroot", with a glass of Kosher whine is perfect for Good Friday, as well as for Passover. Enjoy!

Guardian, you are a stitch, as they used to say.

By: kenwinter on 4/22/11 at 11:54

Well reasoned, Mike. Your question "...how will we avoid descending into the fanaticism and fascism that once led to the downfall of Weimar Germany?" reminds me of the oft-quoted comment of a theologian about discrimination under the Nazis. I can only paraphrase it as follows:
"They came for the Jews, but I didn't speak up; Then they came for the homosexuals, but I didn't speak up. And so forth: the socialists, the Christians, the left, the reticent generals, et al, but I never spoke up. Then they came for me, and no one spoke up."

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 11:59

Amen, Kenwinter. I Googled it, here's the Wikipedia data on that:

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"First they came…" is a famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. The text of the quotation is usually presented roughly as follows:

First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 12:12

I'm no expert, but I'd say that Metro standing its ground on its recently enacted, GLBT, anti-bias regulation is the perfect issue upon which to say to the Tea-Party zealots, "Enough of this madness!"

The whole nation is primed for a showdown like this...bring it on! Bring it on here and now....otherwise the faith-based lawmakers will be emboldened, to advance their ambitious, if undemocratic agenda. This could atone for the Scopes Monkey trial image of Tennessee. Secularists, stand your ground!

By: revo-lou on 4/22/11 at 12:15

{BenDover on 4/22/11 at 10:16

Not to be critical there house but how is one lower income kid getting out and going to a private school and leaving 1/2 of the money that would be spent by the state to educate him with the school going to hurt your child in the least?}

Not to be too critical here, but are you kidding? The whole point of house's post was that his kid would STILL be at the school because they would NOT qualify for the LOW INCOME part.

Not that it matters because if the voucher is for only half of what is spent on each child, they won't be able to use it in this city. There is not a private school in this town less than 5k a year, and that is at least a 1k more than half of what the voucher would be worth.

By: revo-lou on 4/22/11 at 12:17

{First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.}

Two down,...

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 12:31

Then they came for the Cannabis smokers.....

By: house_of_pain on 4/22/11 at 12:38

The buffalo chicken at McDougal's was kickin' today.
Looks like revo covered my response to Ben. Thanks, revo, I'm too full to argue right now.

By: dargent7 on 4/22/11 at 12:44

Not ONE Imam spoke out against the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the US.
And since 9/11, there have been countless suicide bombers, all Muslims, across the world.
Too numerous and countless specials on tv delving into these Imam's backrounds...who they are, who they associate with, their speeches, always in Arabic, translated into English is nothing more than hatred of America.
You think they're not speaking out due to fear? Ha.
They condone it. Welcome it. Believe in their jihad.
America is the perfect breeding ground for these people: stupid, ignorant, brain-dead.
What Charlie Sheen is up to these days is of paramount importance.

By: slacker on 4/22/11 at 12:44

They came for the wine sales in grocery stores....

By: house_of_pain on 4/22/11 at 12:51

...but I wasn't a lazy wino...

By: dargent7 on 4/22/11 at 1:03

All that's missing from this Jones fellow is a white sheet and hood.

By: pswindle on 4/22/11 at 1:30

It took Bush eight years to screw the country and run up the debt, and you expect President Obama to pull a magic trick in two years. Where were you during the Bush years? He is ranked as the worse president ever. How did he get that title?
Becasue a dry-drunk tried to run the country without the know-how and Cheney in there taking care of Halliburton and the oil flow from the Middle East. They wanted to declare a Military State, so they could become rulers, but they knew at this time the people would not stand for it. Now, the GOP and Tea Party are slowly trying to take away our freedoms, one law and one state at a time. So, when they have the power, the next GOP President will declare a Military State. Read up on hisotry and how dictators became rulers. Germany would be a good place to start.

By: BenDover on 4/22/11 at 2:46

I guess I still fail to see how reducing the burden of the school by one child and keeping 1/2 of what the school would get to educate that one child anyway... just how does this harm another child that stays at the school in the least?

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 3:13

Doctor Dover, let me help you overcome the Voodoo spell....using reason to overcome your economic superstition and financial mysticism....it's really quite simple.

A classroom that is half empty costs as much to heat as a full classroom.

A half full school bus uses about the same amount of gas as a full one would use, no savings on the driver costs.

It costs the same to pay a teacher to teach half a class room, as it does to teach a full one.

Maintenance costs remain the same, if the school is full or half full.

According to your Voodoo economics, serving half the students would result in doubling the savings..or some such outrageous conclusion. The real world does not operate on Voodoo principles....and I suspect that you, Doctor Dover are well aware of that.

This voucher plan would gut the public schools and you know it...

"Don't play dumb with me...you ain't smart enough..." ( Moe Howard )

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 3:22

But Doctor Dover is either a hypocrite, or he misses the whole point, IMO, he eschews the idea of using "other people's money" to fund things like health, education and welfare....that's his mantra....but he would use TN taxpayer money to fund Jewish, Protestant , Fundamentalist Christian, and Catholic schools - the faith-based educational alternatives. But maybe not the Islamic schools, methinks.

As a patriot, Ben Dover should realize that government financing of faith-based schools violates the Establishment clause...the Founders would not go for this voucher deal, IMHO, and we should not go for it either.

By: house_of_pain on 4/22/11 at 3:27

Would it not qualify as another "entitlement" program?

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 3:34

Darge, Pastor Jones has the sheets and hoods...and the extra rounds, some chocolates, some nylon stockings, some cigarettes and some gold coins....all stashed in a grab-n-go bag.

When the pistol-packing pastor accidentally discharged his firearm into the floor of his car this week, if that had been a tracer round and if it had miraculously hit his gas tank dead nuts on....if that had happened, I might have become a believer, it would have been Divine Intervention, IMO.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 3:44

Oh yeah, I forgot the condoms, they're in there too.

By: slacker on 4/22/11 at 4:15

Loner, don't forget the vienna sausages, jerky strips, and porn mags.

By: BenDover on 4/22/11 at 4:31

You're discussing fixed vs variable costs loner and I'm absolutely aware how that works. if a school of 2000 students have a 5% participation in the program (100 students) they can eliminate about 4 complete teachers and 4 complete classrooms. Since we're building schools like mad around here that means we won't hire 4 teachers, another 1/2 a person in the admin staff, and won't hit the wall on building another school for just a little bit more time. In the mean time we'll have the dollars of 50 students to spread across the other 2000 to improve their education experience. Higher participation improves the formula that much more.

By: global_citizen on 4/22/11 at 4:44

"Global_Citizen spreads Global baloney! More EIB echo chamber. The masses truly are asses....his line of reasoning is, with all due respect, a contrived crock of sh*t..

Rush Limbaugh and the FOX pundits have been waging war on the words "democracy", "democratic", "democrat", "Democratic" and "Democrat" for the past few years now. Their strategy seems to be simple enough, if they can denigrate, stain and/or delegitimize those words, they can defeat the ideas that those words represent and defeat those who value those ideas.

It's an old trick, now modified by the power of modern mass media and mass communications. As evidenced by Globalist's regurgitated mini-rant, the trick is working like a charm."

Loner, considering that you and I are generally on the same side of most issues, as far as I can tell, your impetuous attack against me here is very disappointing and unfortunately lowers my opinion of you. I hope you're not having a mental collapse.

My statement that America is a "constitutional republic" and not a "true democracy" is merely a statement of fact. There is no propaganda to that statement. Perhaps you should take a remedial civics class.

Implying that I'm a mouthpiece for the propaganda of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News would get you laughed out of the room if you were to say that out loud in front of my friends.

By: global_citizen on 4/22/11 at 5:04

Loner, for your convenience, I'm providing easy links explaining "constitutional republic". Tell me if you don't believe this describes the United States of America.

"A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens... Most notable example of a constitutional republic: The United States of America."


"A liberal democracy may take various constitutional forms: it may be a constitutional republic; as the United States, India, Germany or Brazil"


By: budlight on 4/22/11 at 5:23

Loner on 4/22/11 at 9:04
Louis Farakhan (and maybe Rev. Wright?) should set-up a bunch of Nation Of Islam schools and Christian Black Liberation schools, for those poor black kids stuck in those failing, secular-humanist, government schools...face it, those black kids won't be welcome in the white Christian schools...black-white segregation is the main reason those Christian schools exist.

Loner if you read this, pray tell me what do you think about Black Christians? Do you think white christians love black christians? If not, then you should come to my church where many nationalities, Hispanic, Indian, Vietnam, Africa, and many others are represented and oops! We all love each other in Christ. And many of the children are home schooled. Do you consider that racist? Or just keeping kids away from the crime in public schools and to up the ante on their education.

My friends home school and their children are well advanced from most kids in public school. AND they are articulate, polite and ambitious - eagerly awaiting and studying for college and a bright future.

Don't be so hard on Christians. By the way, when you sneeze does anyone ever say "bless you", "God Bless You" or the german word for it "Gazunheidt" (spelled wrong but you get my drift). Does that offend you also?

And I do not wish to take away human rights as long as we understand that no special interest groups get to be treated above others. As Obama said "Marriage is between a man and a woman" or has Mr. King of Wishy Washy Waffled on that statement and clung to his "mistake" or "I spoke wrong" mantra?

Someone in this column today said Bush was a Dry Drunk. If so, what is it when you're a dry pothead or coke head? That's all. Have a blessed Easter - n o egg rolling, no earth day - just a ressurection of hope.

By: global_citizen on 4/22/11 at 5:41

Lastly Loner, I don't feel any need to validate my non-partisan, constitutionalist, anti-dogma, or secular humanist credentials to anyone, but in the hope that you might be more contemplative and less reactionary in the future, I'm posting a retrospect of some of my posts here on nashvillecitypaper.com.

I think you'll see that your inference that I'm a tool of Rush and Fox News is pretty laughable.






By: Mike Burch on 4/22/11 at 6:20

Ken, the quotation you're thinking of was the basis of my article:

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

It's important to note that Hitler's first victims were his political opponents. Once they were out of the picture, he went after Jews, Gypsies, the mentally handicapped, homosexuals, and other people the "chosen few" despised.

Right-wing Republicans are the new "chosen few."

I'm an editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry. I think it's important for us to understand that the Holocaust didn't happen all at once. It happened in stages. At each stage the laws and courts of Germany were changed to strip out-of-favor people of their rights. Now we are seeing the same process here, always with conservative Christians and right-wing Republicans steering the helm.

Other people who commented here are right. Next it will be the cannabis smokers and the people who like to read risqué magazines or watch risqué movies.

Hell hath no fury like a frustrated fundamentalist whose God has condemned him to hell for having "impure thoughts."

By: Mike Burch on 4/22/11 at 6:32


I'm not running for anything. I'm simply pointing out what bigoted, small-minded conservative Christians and right-wing Republicans are obviously doing.

Hitler and his propagandists scared the average German witless, then pretended to be there to "save" them. Now morons like George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and a host of Tennessee hicks are doing very similar things.

According to them, we'll be "safer" if we sacrifice our rights and freedoms by allowing them to "guard over us."

Your name suggests that you may be one of them. I prefer to live in a free, democratic society and take my chances with real-world problems, not ones that were invented out of thin air. What harm has a gay person ever done me, by being gay or shacking up? What harm has any Tennessee Muslim ever done me, or you?

These are irrational fears, created by semi-literates to confound people who can't be bothered to research what they read.

Do we need such protectors? I think not.

By: Loner on 4/22/11 at 7:23

Global, I said, "with all due respect". And I kept it in the third person, not the second person. The "attack" was not meant to be personal....sorry about that, GC.

I've heard and read the contrived denigrations of "democracy" and its variants...and I have heard and read the simultaneous enhancement of "republic" and its variants.

This word-bending is a semantic scam; the language-based flimflam originated in the right-wing think tanks and these ideas are constantly trumpeted on the right-wing talk shows....perhaps you absorbed this polemic poison through the process of osmosis.

GC, like many others, you could be an unwitting victim of this toxic wordplay.

I'm sad to read that you have lowered your opinion of me; but I stand by the nuts & bolts of my post. It's nice to be liked, but it's more important to be right....I try to keep it honest, that's the best policy.....IMO.

By: BenDover on 4/22/11 at 7:52

Geezzz Burch... I let it go earlier but enough… I invoke Godwin's law... you lose.

By: global_citizen on 4/22/11 at 8:23

Loner, I'm well versed in the semantics of both the left and the right. I'm well grounded in my opinions and I'm not that intellectually malleable. I'm no "unwitting victim" and anything I've absorbed has come by deliberate and rigorous study, not osmosis.

It's noble to stand by what you think is right, but in this case, you're wrong.

By: global_citizen on 4/22/11 at 8:38

Loner, "with all due respect" in typical interpretation today means a complete dismissal and disrespect. And what does it matter if you attacked me in the third person or second person. You still attacked me and you were utterly incorrect about my viewpoints. But that doesn't seem to matter to you.

Your assertion that the word "republic" is a modern conservative some sort of modern conspiracy to promote the Republican party is so off the mark I'm beginning to wonder if you obsess on this a bit too much.

Our pledge of allegiance, it states "And to the republic for which it stands."

Our constitution, Article 4, Section 4, is titled "Republican form of Government" and states:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"

The words "republic" and "republican" long pre-date the Republican Party. I think you're more than a little overly-sensitive on this issue.

By: Mike Burch on 4/22/11 at 8:54

BenDover, you said Islam was inconsistent with Western values.

Well, so is Christianity.

The first Biblical commandment is to have no other gods but Yahweh, the fearsomely intolerant "god" who demanded human belief despite condoning racism, slavery, sex slavery, the stoning of boys for being "stubborn" and girls for being raped, matricide, infanticide, ethnic cleansing, genocide, and anything else Moses, Joshua and King David could dream up, in the way of mayhem (with women and children usually being the victims).

One of the basic principles of Western democracy is freedom of religion. Therefore Western democracy and Christianity are completely incompatible. And yet we abide having intolerant Christians churches by the tens of thousands.

So why focus narrowly on Islam?

By: BenDover on 4/23/11 at 7:44

Well Mike... maybe it's because Christ came and superseded all of the old law, died on the cross for the sins of humanity and, through his disciples and the Holy spirit, showed us a new way that focused on peace, love and an emphasis on the Golden Rule and the top 10 list.

The biblical histories of the Old Testament that are the root of almost all modern religions are as a parent to his child... authoritarian and sometimes with harsh punishments not understood by the children. As humanity reached the age of maturity we were given the lessons of Christ and sent to proceed as we would as beings of free will... given the knowledge of how to act through the teachings of Christ and the Holy Spirit and then we fulfill our destiny as either followers or deniers to receive either glory or wrath on judgment day.

Modern Islam is a worldly perversion of the righteous path laid out by Christ and Christ's influence upon 20 centuries of Western Civilization just as there have been other perversions of the teaching of Christ in the past in our own Christian histories.

But go ahead and cuddle up to this tide of Islam, the political movement sweeping the Western world. Stand ignorant of what is being experienced in Western Europe while our media keeps reporting the riots of the 'angry youth' in France and Spain leaving out the modifier, 'angry Muslim youths'. Keep your head buried in the sand and continue to draw moral equivalence between Christianity and a 7th century religion incompatible with our freedoms and liberties in this country. Perhaps leaving your head in the sand will help stave off the day when it is to be cut off for your open-mindedness .

By: serr8d on 4/23/11 at 8:40

"Islam", as is defined by the Left, is a 'religion of peace'. But that terminology is incorrect, and ignores the facts.

The religion of Islam has easily spawned such blooming flowers as the 'Muslim Brotherhood', a theocratic, Jihadist organization whose sole purpose is to overrun and transform other religions and States that surround it; including the West. There is no room in 'pure' Islam for any other religion; it is written in the Qu'ran that other religions are not to be tolerated. As long as Jihad is carried out somewhere (and is supported by) 'local' Muslims, then the built-in requirement for 'all' Muslims to perform Jihad is fulfilled. So, these 'local' Muslims may not themselves build and strap on bombs, or take scimitars to throats (yet) because there are other Muslims elsewhere who do, and they have the support of all Muslims. Such 'jihad-by-proxy' IS a requirement of the Qu'ran...


3. Jihad against the munafiqin (hypocrites) and kuffar (disbelievers) is of four kinds: with the heart, the tongue, one's wealth and oneself. Jihad against the disbelievers is more along the lines of physical fighting, whereas jihad against the hypocrites is more along the lines of using words and ideas. ...

The first thing which his Lord revealed to him [Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)] was to read in the name of his Lord Who had created. That was the beginning of his Prophethood, when Allah commanded him to recite to himself but He did not yet command him to convey that. Then He revealed the words:

�O you (Muhammad) enveloped in garments! Arise and warn!� (Al-Muddaththir: 1-2)

So he became a Prophet with the word �Iqra� (Read!) and he became a Messenger with the words, �O you (Muhammad) enveloped in garments�� Then Allah commanded him to warn his closest kinsmen, then to warn his people, then to warn the Arabs around them, then to warn all the Arabs, then to warn all of mankind. He continued to call them for over ten years from the beginning of his Prophethood, without fighting or imposing the jizyah; he was commanded to refrain, to be patient and to be forbearing.

Then permission was given to him to migrate, and permission was given to him to fight.

Then he was commanded to fight those who fought him, and to refrain from fighting those who left him alone and did not fight him.

Then Allah commanded him to fight the disbelievers so that the religion would all be for Allah.

The Qu'ran is a document written by a warrior, for the purpose of defeating and absorbing everything within Mohammed's 'realm' and subjecting it to his wishes. Islam still has that yearn, because there has been no reform since it's implementation in the sixth century.

Now, without having undergone any significant reform, Islam is easily corrupted to Jihad against surrounding peoples, their cultures and religions. We willingly let them in; we (well, leftists mostly) encourage them to establish a population without melding with the people living around them (much like the invading Hispanics, forming insular communities, keeping to themselves with their own language and culture intact, forgetting that 'melting pot' concept that the Statue of Liberty represented) and before you know it, you have Germany, Switzerland, Spain, France, Austria, Great Britain, all countries now finding that the uncontrolled influx of migrants from Muslim countries and cultures is slowly but surely strangling their own cultures and taking over their political structures and, neighborhood by neighborhood, their largest cities. Of course, any push-back against this 'invasion' is termed by the leftist thinkers (found by them to be contrary to their own false perceptions of what 'should be') as 'intolerant', 'racist', 'fascist', or any other terms they can subvert to their own lingo.

Oh, and Michael Burch, your LTE is an example of how the Left uses it's own lingo to corrupt the English language: it's filled rim-to-brim with omissions, exaggeration, and misrepresentation: IOW, lies. You've used adulterating words to deflect thought and attack, not words written to promote clear thinking. You've engaged in hypocrisy and blurred thinking, the sort of thing that is typical to the American Left. To conflate Christianity (a 'reformed' religion, since the middle of the the 2nd century) with Islam (an unchanged religion since it was written) is an example of the Left using 'plastic' words to 'hook' their dancing monkeys who make up their base. There is absolutely no correlation between Islam and modern Christianity.

Find in the Qu'ran anything telling Muslims to 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'. There is nothing of that sort, anywhere in the Qu'ran. Then look in the four gospels and find a requirement for Jihad against disbelievers and hypocrites; there is none.

Islam must be reformed in order to co-exist with other religions or cultures. Until that happens, all of the people who are not Muslim are considered kuffar and are subject to Jihad. Yes, even you, Michael Burch (have you ever been to Mecca? Why not?).

Jihad is obligatory and becomes fard `ayn if a person is present where fighting is going on. This is the first of the situations in which jihad becomes an individual obligation, because Allah says: �O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day � unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), � he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allah. And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!� (Al-Anfal: 16) ...

The third situation is when the leader tells the people to mobilize. The Muslim ruler is the highest authority in the state, but he need not necessarily be the leader of all the Muslims, because there has been no leader of all the Muslims (caliph or khalifah) for a long time. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: �Listen and obey, even if you are ruled by an Abyssinian slave.� So if a man becomes a leader, then his word is to be heeded and his commands are to obeyed. (Ash-Sharh al-Mumti`, 8/10-12).

Understand your enemy. To consider a Muslim "not-enemy" is a personal failure in your understanding.

By: revo-lou on 4/23/11 at 8:45

serr the nutball rolls again.

By: serr8d on 4/23/11 at 10:12

revo-lou again demonstrates he has nothing to offer but little rolled-up bits of swill.

Let's hope your children inherited a better mind than you have, revo-lou; if you haven't any yet, then don't bother. We thank you in advance for your consideration.