Burch: Tennessee Republicans reject Founding Fathers

Sunday, July 21, 2013 at 9:14pm
By Michael R. Burch

The typical Tennessee Republican is closer in philosophy to Iranian clerics than the American Founding Fathers. Take, for instance, the idea and ideal of “freedom of religion.” Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and company believed strongly in freedom of religion, and they believed even more strongly in keeping the fledgling American government free from the pernicious influence of religious zealots and their witch-burning, holy-war-waging churches. So they built what Jefferson called a “wall of separation” between church and state.

But the last thing Iranian clerics and Tennessee conservatives want is real freedom of religion. What the holy rollers really want is not freedom of religion, but to turn the federal government into a theocracy and public schools into places where innocent children can be brainwashed into believing things that make absolutely no sense, so that they can be controlled and milked of their money when they grow up. This is why both Islamic and Christian fundamentalists condemn all human beings to “hell,” then offer them “salvation” for believing absurdities that make God seem more like a medieval inquisitor than an enlightened, tolerant being.

That Tennessee Republicans don’t actually want freedom of religion is easy to prove. Albert Einstein created “thought experiments” to help explain why other people’s thinking about basic physics was off base. I have developed a simple “thought experiment” to prove that Tennessee Republicans want to overthrow true freedom of religion, and subvert the U.S. Constitution.

In the first stage of my thought experiment, I ask a simple question: “Do most Tennessee conservatives want to allow Christian texts and symbols to be allowed in public schools?” The answer is obviously “yes,” because Republicans have been fighting for prayer to be allowed in public schools, to keep the “Christ” in Christmas, to allow Bible classes to be taught after hours, and to either keep evolution out of the science books or to at least insert references to a Creator.

In the second stage of my thought experiment, I ask another simple question: “What would Tennessee conservatives say and do, if the texts and symbols being used in public schools were Muslim? What would happen if prayers were being made to Allah rather than Jehovah, if the texts being used were Korans rather than Bibles, and if the Creator made man out of a clot of blood rather than clay?

Obviously, Tennessee conservatives would have hissy fits if the Koran was being taught in public schools. Therefore, it is clear that conservative Christians don’t mean real “religious freedom” when they use the term. What they really want is the right for Christianity and its texts and symbols to receive preferential treatment in schools, to the extent of the exclusion of other major religions like Islam. They also want the Ten Commandments to receive preferential treatment in government buildings, even though the first commandment is completely incompatible with freedom of religion. Thus, they are working to subvert the Constitution and undo one of the most important advancements of the American Founding Fathers.

87 Comments on this post:

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 1:13

So, what do you make of the Treaty of Tripoli?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 1:15

By: govskeptic on 7/22/13 at 1:47
Ben: You should know that only a very limited number of folks hold all the facts
on this string. If you're not sure which ones, just ask and they will tell ya!
Then you will hear cheers of agreement from the quaking parrots.

Yes, gov. I expect yogi, bud, rasputin and jughead to start chiming in with you any moment.

By: budlight on 7/22/13 at 1:24

Gee, Blanket, that's my cue! LOL

I see George Zimmerman's father has written an e-book. Sounds like one I want to read.

And Al Sharpton is going to look for Tawana Brawley so he can nominate her for a position on the president's cabinet. Possibly in charge of No Truth No Consequences department. You go, Al.

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 1:25

A one time diplomatic shot sucking up the the Crazy Muslim pirates when we should have gone ahead and just killed them all to begin with.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 1:28

I'm sure that's exactly how YOU define it, Ben.....

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 1:44

Your cuts and pastes from /r/atheism/ are as damaging as the mature and experienced Franklin, himself, considered Paine's 'Age of Reason' to be.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=58

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 1:47

I'm sure that Franklin was no fan of Paine, however that does not diminish the importance of the writings of Paine and Jefferson or their influence on the founding of our nation.

By: revo-lou on 7/22/13 at 1:47

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 2:25
A one time diplomatic shot sucking up the the Crazy Muslim pirates when we should have gone ahead and just killed them all to begin with.

I wonder which judeo/christian values that comes from?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 1:48

I was wondering that myself, revo. And to think he wants to question the values of the secular folks.....

By: pswindle on 7/22/13 at 1:51

If we keep religion and state separate as our founders had wanted, there would not be a problem.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 1:54

Indeed.

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 2:01

You guys support the crazy Muslim pirates? Oh... and what year is it?

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 2:04

Even Hitch said the Treaty of Tripoli reference is an old atheist canard and crutch.

By: budlight on 7/22/13 at 2:05

By: pswindle on 7/22/13 at 2:51
If we keep religion and state separate as our founders had wanted, there would not be a problem.

Pswindle, would you not agree that IF everyone had a copy of the 10 commandments and those 10 statements were the only laws on the book and if everyone followed them equally, we'd have no murder, no greed, no lust, no divorcee and no need for a separate gov-ment like the one in DC that is currently undermining all that Dr. King stood for - for us all to get along, respect and love each other regardless of race?

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 2:12

Preamble to the Pennsylvania State Constitution:

"WE, the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance, do ordain and establish this Constitution."

Yeah... voted to become subject to a federal government that would take the 10 commandments out of our schools and courthouses.

You guys are thoroughly delusional about this.

What year is it?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:19

Ben, separation of church and state does not equate to supporting "crazy Muslim pirates." And you're calling someone else delusional? LOL

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:20

Well, bud - how many Christians actually follow all those commandments?

By: revo-lou on 7/22/13 at 2:21

Better yet, why can’t they live a “righteous” life without them?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:22

Ben, you are proving yourself to be exactly the type of person the separation of church and state was designed to put a leash on.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:24

Thumping your Bible and wanting to kill "crazy Muslims." Yep, thank goodness we are not a theocracy and we don't need to be.

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 2:31

I said 'crazy Muslim pirates' obviously referring to the Barbary Pirates of this discussion who were kidnapping raping plundering and murdering in droves, blanket. You know that.

By: bfra on 7/22/13 at 2:43

Blanket - Ben is clutching for straws & so preoccupied, he forgot what year it is? :-)
Oh, that & trying to write in riddles!

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 2:43

I'm pointing out, and have provided clear reference, that Burch is full of Bovine Scratch in his premise and his ignorance of Western society and the formation of this country. Whether some of the founders shared, usually private, skepticism in their belief of Christianity (Paine and Jefferson being the most prevalent) they did consider the Judeo / Christian belief and culture to be essential to our free republic as this society (it's revolution and formation) was most certainly birthed out of the period of the Great Awakening. To argue otherwise is ludicrous, fully perforated and self serving to the argument while ignoring the reality.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:43

No, actually I don't. Not with other things that you say.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:51

Uh, their opinions were not exactly private, Ben. That would be ignoring reality.

By: bfra on 7/22/13 at 2:55

Ben, it is & always has been that, Mike Burch is so far ahead of you about History & Facts, there is no comparison.

By: bfra on 7/22/13 at 2:56

Ben, so is Blanket!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 2:59

We wouldn't be in the mess we're in if we didn't act like Israel's puppet and meddling in the affairs of the Middle East.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 3:00

As Loner states, Holy Wars Suck.

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 3:00

I've provided the links to back up what I've said.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 3:04

As Burch correctly points out, Freedom of Religion does not endorse Christianity receiving preferential treatment.

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 3:19

It does when Islam is inconsistent with our constitutional liberties... along with our social and cultural mores. Ask Western Europe how unchecked multi-culturalism is working for them.

By: bfra on 7/22/13 at 3:36

Ben, yogi provides links, too. So what does that prove Do you think everything on the internet is fact?

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 3:48

If you discount everything you don't want to believe because you don't like its source bfra, you are going to enjoy a very narrow world view. A assure you my sources are valid and in most cases already footnoted to the source data.

By: BenDover on 7/22/13 at 3:53

Burch opened his missive with, "The typical Tennessee Republican is closer in philosophy to Iranian clerics than the American Founding Fathers".

Pleasing as it is to Burch's intended audience of leftist jerk-offs riding their daddy's Education Endowment out studying Social Economics and Women's Studies at Vandy... that statement is, on face, totally absurd.

By: govskeptic on 7/22/13 at 3:54

Ben: You are on the money on this often quoted Treaty of Tripoli (Libya). That was
only the 2 or 3rd Treaty that the US had made and it's totally fraught with error
after error with a 1000 questions attached to it. The original was printed for
the Arabs and contains none of the language about the US religion, the
congressional copy that was signed by some bureaucrat came much later
with questions whether it was ever actually brought up in congress. In
addition it only took one-fifth of the existing Senators at that time to pass
a treaty. It junk paper that the left has hammered about being such a great
document, in spite of the fact it was leverage in a crises over the musslemen
holding some Americans sailors as hostages when we had virtually no
Navy at all. Not worth a spit for any real discussion.

By: budlight on 7/22/13 at 5:07

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/22/13 at 3:20
Well, bud - how many Christians actually follow all those commandments? I don't know that answer.

But I asked you a question that one should be able to answer: Pswindle, would you not agree that IF everyone had a copy of the 10 commandments and those 10 statements were the only laws on the book and if everyone followed them equally, we'd have no murder, no greed, no lust, no divorcee and no need for a separate gov-ment like the one in DC that is currently undermining all that Dr. King stood for - for us all to get along, respect and love each other regardless of race?

So the answer is IF everyone had a copy and IF everyone fofllowed the rules (ie commandments) then we'd have a better word. How hard is it to understand "You shall not kill" and how hard would it be to NOT KILL? Of course if no one were greedy or cruel, then there would be no need for guns or for war.

Wow! I'd love to live like that. How are is it not to steal? If you have everything you need, why would you need to steal or covet your neighbor's things? Sounds like Heaven to me.