Up for Debate

Monday, August 8, 2011 at 11:17pm

The federal Department of Education announced Monday it would throw out key provisions of the No Child Left Behind law in an attempt to open struggling schools and districts to the possibility of developing their own corrective models. For Tennessee, it could result in fewer failing schools — Nashville alone currently has 55. Do you agree with the Obama administration's move? Why? 

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By: pswindle on 8/9/11 at 12:02

No child left behind has never worked. Children cannot learn by teaching the tests. This country will take years to over come the presidency of Bush/Cheney.

By: yogiman on 8/9/11 at 6:10

Agreed, pswindle,

And it will take many more years to overcome the presidency of Barry Soetoro.

By: gdiafante on 8/9/11 at 6:13

As with most things, I think NCLB had good intentions, mainly to improve math and science scores, but a funny thing happened on the way to the forum...we found out that it's hard to excel in those areas if you can't read.

How so many children can be deficient in basic courses yet advance through school is an embarrassment.

Then again, this country doesn't value education, so I suppose it should be expected.

By: serr8d on 8/9/11 at 6:26

...developing their own corrective models...

They are going to design a new paddle?

By: serr8d on 8/9/11 at 6:33

Heh. Love it when the LeftLibTards start bashing Bush.

They complain that the Medicare Part B Prescription Drug program, a decidedly mistaken Dirty Socialist venture, was 'unfunded'. But you didn't see any of them opposing it at the time.

They complain about NCLB, another failing social program (that should've featured that missing link from Progressive American schools, 'discipline') again because of the source, Bush.

And you wonder why we speak of the Obamalypse, and mention with relish that this little prezzidint-man is the biggest failure, the worst president since Jefferson Davis?

Did you hear his miserable failure of a speech yesterday? Really helped, didn't it? Obama really knows how to 'organize' business leaders, bankers, stock brokers, analysts, and other 'successful' people, doesn't he?

Somewhere, a Community is missing it's Organizer. And that community is NOT comprised of the cream of the USA's crop.

By: dargent7 on 8/9/11 at 6:49

yogi: Remember those old Victrolas? When the needle got stuck on the vinyl?
That's what you sound like with your inane posts.

By: i.am.a.taxpayer on 8/9/11 at 6:49

Clinton put a little dent in the excessive spending of Reagan and Bush, the First. We have still not recovered from Reagan raising the debt ceiling at least a dozen times (with little or no media coverage).

Then Bush, the Second, spent money hand over fist fighting wars all over the world - not defending the United States but invading other countries for questionable motives.

As a result, there is not enough money for education or infrastructure or the things the country really needs.

By: budlight on 8/9/11 at 6:50

Obama is in a position that is way above his pay grade. He surrounds himself with liberal radicals such as Geitner and that guy who was arrested for being a terrorist years ago - Ayers. Then he expects people to respect him. Unfortunately most don't. Our economy is not flourishing at this time; we, as Americans need to get back to our roots - the basic fundamentals of the Bible and God. It worked in the past and it will work now and in the future.

Serr8d, the left always reverts back to Bush/Cheney. They have no other ideas on what is going on because they are blocked by their narrow mindedness. If Bush messed things up, then Obama has just made the mess bigger.

And now, we have 4 more years of you know who - Karl Dean - last of the big time spenders of our money in Nashville.

By: budlight on 8/9/11 at 6:52

Taxpayer, Obama has also extended wars that he said he would "STOP" and he's gotten us into a new war. So how is that working for our country?

By: budlight on 8/9/11 at 6:54

P.S. Regarding education: How can children learn when their parents don't want to stop and teach them anything at home? The buck stops at the home. Parents today either don't want to help, can't help or don't know how to help. Children need strong family roots and basic security. They don't have that. It makes a difference in what they do 6 to 8 hours at school. Home life is failing our kids.

By: treehugger7 on 8/9/11 at 6:58

We always bring up the bushes because they are the source of the problem. Why is that so hard to grasp? What is wrong with Yogi--give it up already!

By: serr8d on 8/9/11 at 7:18

You don't understand much about WHO exactly controls the purse strings, do you?

Hint: it's not the President.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SxPWa6s6dZU/Tjad7ar09PI/AAAAAAAAGUg/rppMPRB6bOM/s1600/debt+to+democrat+controlled+congress+chart.jpg

By: gdiafante on 8/9/11 at 7:36

It's really simple: Congress and the President fail. S&P is correct about one thing, Washington is dysfunctional and there's nothing to indicate it's going to change anytime soon, regardless of who is President or what party is in the majority.

They're all...bums...and I cleaned that up.

By: govskeptic on 8/9/11 at 8:07

The biggest problem is that NCLB left it up to the states on how to get to the
end results it wanted. Tenn like most others did so little in the beginning that
little results were required or achieved. Now, the 2014 deadline for accomplishing
the goals, and all know it's impossible to achieve, so let's either waive it or throw
it out. If the Education monopoly had been given the task of inventing the wheel,
it would still be an octagon versus round. The answer for the future is the same
as the passed, let's try something "new" and of course, " it will cost a "little more!"

By: girliegirl on 8/9/11 at 8:21

According to the teachers unions, there are currently MORE than 37 languages being spoken at Antioch HS. Harrisonburg, Va has MORE languages than that total, per my mother, spoken in each of their schools. How can you expect an algebra teacher to teach her subject if she cannot communicate with those students? If you do not require English only in schools, you wind up with no one making the grade.

By: numenlumen on 8/9/11 at 8:30

Budlight, I wouldn't call Geitner a liberal radical. He's more like those lazy industrialists who jumped into bed with Hitler. It's so much easier to make your money in a socialist-rigged market than in a free one.

What we're seeing today is the ultimte legacy of the 1948 election in which Truman demagogued his way back from apparent defeat. That election set Social Security in stone and paved the way for Medicare, Medicaid, and the other uncontrollanble social welfare programs of LBJ's Great Society. NCLB, nation building, Social Security, Madicare, Medicaid, social regulation: all these programs shout the abject failure of utopian Progressivism. He who has ears, let him hear.

By: yogiman on 8/9/11 at 8:36

Hey, dargent7,

I still have one of those old Victrolas. And the only time the needle stuck was when it got to the end of the song and I hadn't shut it off and stopped it.

By: dargent7 on 8/9/11 at 8:43

The S&P rating may be marginalized by the Obama Admin. but when we had a AAA rating no one made a peep.
It's like those JD Power & Assoc. car buyer's satisfaction.
Car & Driver's ratings.
Motor Trend's, "Car of the Year".
Also Consumer Reports, Gallup polls, Zygby, Rasmussen polls....
As long as you're a favorite, they're a good source of knowledge.
Once you fall into disfavor, they're all b.s.
It's all b.s.

By: budlight on 8/9/11 at 8:49

When girlie girl speaks, smart people listen. I hear you girlie!

numenlumen on 8/9/11 at 9:30
Budlight, I wouldn't call Geitner a liberal radical. He's more like those lazy industrialists who jumped into bed with Hitler. It's so much easier to make your money in a socialist-rigged market than in a free one.

Yep, I get what you mean. Socialism is going on right now today in England. Or shall I say the results of socialism. Those people are nuts! Burning down their own communities is one sure fire way (no pun intended) to get ahead in life. I just hope the shop owners have arson insurance! There is no point in rioting but then do those people even know what they are rioting for? Nope! They are doing it for the "fun" of it as one person said.

By: gdiafante on 8/9/11 at 8:52

"How can you expect an algebra teacher to teach her subject if she cannot communicate with those students? If you do not require English only in schools, you wind up with no one making the grade."

If it's a language barrier, it should be addressed. If it's not, fail the student. One problem is that we're afraid to piss off the parents, who always think they're child shouldn't be left behind. Failure is a part of life.

Some students will never be academic standouts. Create sustainable vocational programs for those individuals instead of bringing the entire system down.

Seems like a no-brainer, but given the powers that be...

By: gdiafante on 8/9/11 at 8:58

Bud, you do realize that the riots in London have nothing to do with Socialism, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/08/uk.london.riots.tottenham/index.html

Pay attention

By: brrrrk on 8/9/11 at 10:04

I still want to know how much serr8d gets paid per post.....

By: brrrrk on 8/9/11 at 10:28

i.am.a.taxpayer said

"Clinton put a little dent in the excessive spending of Reagan and Bush, the First. We have still not recovered from Reagan raising the debt ceiling at least a dozen times (with little or no media coverage).

Then Bush, the Second, spent money hand over fist fighting wars all over the world - not defending the United States but invading other countries for questionable motives.

As a result, there is not enough money for education or infrastructure or the things the country really needs."

What we're seeing is Jude Wanniski's "Two Santa Clause Theory" writ large.

"The theory states that, in democratic elections, if one party appeals to voters by proposing more spending, then a competing party cannot gain broader appeal by proposing less spending. The first 'Santa Claus' of the theory title refers to the political party that promises spending. Instead, 'Two Santa Claus Theory' recommends that the competing party must assume the role of a second Santa Claus by offering some other appealing options."

In simple terms.... when Republicans are in office, they should spend like hell... and as soon as Republicans are out of office, they should start yelling about the deficit and debt for the sole purpose of doing away with ANY social safety nets.

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 11:18

Again with the Bush Bashing. NCLB was written by Ted Kennedy - Did that slip your mind?

The spending by Bush could not have happened without the approval of the Congress Critters on Both Sides.

Obama's speech yesterday was spent absolving himself of any blame or responsibility. The market, knowing the truth, dropped 600 points as a result.

Gdia - The flash mobs in London aren't socialism rearing its head. It's pure hooliganism. Must be a union connection.

The mobs at the Michigan State Fair could have been socialism or racism - depending.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 11:23

Read this last night and found it very prophetic. I believe this guy has it nailed.

"There are two kinds of very rich people in this world that control most of everything. The Rich Conservatives by and large are the people who earned their wealth through hard work and shrewd investments. The Rich Liberals or Socialists are the descendants of the Rich Conservatives who did nothing to earn their wealth, and loathe their wealth for the guilt it gives them, but not enough to stop the trust fund checks. They go to all the right colleges, and meet all the right people, who believe the same things they do, that if everyone was equal, we’d all be better off. Except like the author of Animal Farm said “Of Course, some are more equal than others!” and they want to set themselves up as the rulers of the world. The owners of the Major Media, and most of their employees, and all their major reporters share the world view of the second bunch – the Rich Socialists. If they were Poor Socialists, they’d have no influence, but they have no problems turning the rest of us into Poor Socialists with them in charge. It’s their basic arrogance that they really believe that they should be in charge that gets me! Luckily I won’t live to see the final downfall of the United States. We’re already sliding down that slippery slope, and unless something drastic happens, we’ll be another 3rd World Socialist country in the next 20-30 years.” - A U.S.A.F. Gun Range Senior Master Sergeant looking towards retirement.

By: gdiafante on 8/9/11 at 11:46

Yada yada yada...the sheep are out on force...

There's problems with both sides but _______(enter your political bias here).

Different day, same BS...

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 12:02

Got any comment about the Flash Mobs here in the U.S.?

By: brrrrk on 8/9/11 at 1:00

CAH said

"Read this last night and found it very prophetic. I believe this guy has it nailed."

Got a source.... or are you just ranting?

By: BenDover on 8/9/11 at 1:03

Does it bother anyone else that the bureaucrats are just throwing out laws they don't like that were put in place by our elected representatives and doing whatever the hell they want? Has anyone considered the implication of this?

By: BenDover on 8/9/11 at 1:04

"For Tennessee, it could result in fewer failing schools "... no dumbass... the schools are still failing... they'll just be better able to hide the fact.

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 1:17

By: brrrrk on 8/9/11 at 2:00

Got a source.... or are you just ranting?

Was in a ebook called "North to Alaska" by a guy who identified himself as "Fleataxi" online. Of course, anything expounded upon by a character in a book usually reflects the opinions of the author.

As it happens, I've believed we were heading towards becoming a 3rd world nation the more I've seen the "Gimme Gimme - Mine, Mine" attitudes grow among our populace.

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 1:27

I blame NCLB for the growing misuse of homonyms among people who write just about anything.

Site, Cite, Sight
Their, There, They're

The above are just a few examples.

These same people don't know that "an" is used before vowels or "a" is used before consonants. They also don't seem to understand that "and" is only used to join two or more things.

Had one of these people apply for position as a grant writer. After reading their submitted grant example, she was turned down. The feeling was that if she couldn't take pride in what she submitted as an example, she surely wasn't going to on the job.

By: brrrrk on 8/9/11 at 3:02

CAH said

"Was in a ebook called 'North to Alaska' by a guy who identified himself as 'Fleataxi' online. Of course, anything expounded upon by a character in a book usually reflects the opinions of the author."

I would hardly consider someone named "fleataxi" who writes survival fiction (under a pseudonym.... why?) as a legitimate source for the psychological analysis of the difference between wealthy Republicans and wealthy Democrats. Case in point; did George W Bush or Donald Trump or the Koch brothers or Joseph Coors or....... create their own wealth?

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 4:17

By your own very reasoning, why should any of us consider the opinions of someone who hides their real name by using the pseudonym "brrrrk" as being legitimate?

You also should be able to admit GW was/is much more liberal than his father and, YES, both Trump (R) and the Koch's (R) earned/created their own wealth. Coors (D) got his from Adolph (R).

By: CAH on 8/9/11 at 4:34

I wonder if you would consider the opinion of Marion Robert Morrison as being of value. After all, he went to USC and admitted to being a Socialist there and voting the (D) ticket.

By: yogiman on 8/9/11 at 4:57

treehugger7,

You say the Bushes started our problem?

Tell me; we were in two wars when George W. was in office. The last I read, we are now in six. Who started the others? And by the way, I understood Hussein attacked Libya without permission from congress. What was HIS state of emergency? What part of the Constitution gives him the OK to decide on attacking a nation when we aren't being attacked without bothering to get Congress' permission; You know, after a few days in a state of emergency.

Just wondering; what authority did he use?

By: yogiman on 8/9/11 at 5:44

Welcome to the club, CAH, you gonna hav sum fun playing with these democratic fools... I mean idiots.

By: Loner on 8/9/11 at 8:02

The No Child Left Behind program was nothing more than old-school Republican union-busting and an attempt at the deliberate ruination of the despised "government schools". IMO, the entire program was and remains a dismal failure.

By: localboy on 8/10/11 at 9:00

"Ironically, Tennessee received an F and had the lowest standards of all states, despite the fact that it is one of the two winners in the first phase of the bitterly contested Race to the Top (RttT) competition sponsored by the Obama administration’s Department of Education. Indeed, Tennessee has had the lowest standards of all states since 2003. Based on its own tests and standards, the state claimed in 2009 that over 90 percent of its 4th-grade students were proficient in math, whereas NAEP tests revealed that only 28 percent were performing at a proficient level. Results in 4th-grade reading and at the 8th-grade level are much the same. With such divergence, the concept of “standard” has lost all meaning. It’s as if a yardstick can be 36 inches long in most of the world, but 3 inches long in Tennessee."
http://educationnext.org/state-standards-rising-in-reading-but-not-in-math/
NCLB may be ill-conceived and a resounding failure, but if nothing else it has helped raise awareness of the embarassement being swept under the rug.
Good point, girliegirl, about the language difficulties being faced by teachers on an every day basis.

By: localboy on 8/10/11 at 9:11

"You also should be able to admit GW was/is much more liberal than his father and, YES, both Trump (R) and the Koch's (R) earned/created their own wealth. Coors (D) got his from Adolph (R)."
Didn't Trump's daddy set him up in business? Or was that some other property/casino developer?