Up for Debate

Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 11:46pm

Outgoing Metro Councilman Jamie Hollin is, for the second time, attempting to pass legislation that would honor high school students who protested the failed "Don't Say Gay" bill during this past legislative session. Conservative members blocked his first attempt. Do you think he should've let it go, or do the students deserve official recognition for standing up for something they believe in?  

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By: govskeptic on 8/12/11 at 4:24

"Official recognition"? What would be so official about this if passed or not, it's a
non-binding piece of paper that Mr. Hollin would want several copies made and
framed (at taxpayer expense) to hand out. It was a waste of time the first time,
but got this narcissist some press and he now wants a little more Council and
press before leaving. Maybe it should include every Boy or Girl Scout that has helped
anyone cross the streets of Metro!

By: dargent7 on 8/12/11 at 5:05

The "Don't Say Gay" bill has got to be the dumbest law ever concieved.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 5:14

This is simply ego-driven grandstanding.

Those students who protest against the US instigating elective wars, to make the world safe for apartheid Zionism in Palestine, might deserve some sort of "recognition". Sadly, America's youth are not protesting against these faith-based military adventures....they're signing up to participate.

IMO, the kids need to readjust their priorities....Holy Wars Suck!

By: Funditto on 8/12/11 at 5:40

No wonder this year's "You are So Nashville If...."-s winner was:

That was the best one I've seen in years!

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 5:49

God, Guns, Gays & Guvmint - the 4G's that push the Southern conservative's hot buttons....the GOP hopefuls in Iowa this week will be working all the buttons and switches, working the born-agains into a frothing lather of hate....just as Jesus would have done.

By: dargent7 on 8/12/11 at 6:03

Bachmann, besides the "crazy eyes", is 5'2". Like Ross Perot before her, the USA simply cannot have a 5"2" President. When they stand shoulder to shoulder with world leaders, she'd have to stand on a step ladder.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 6:10

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But oh, what those five foot could do.
Has anybody seen my girl?
Turned up nose, turned down hose,
All dressed up in fancy clothes,
Has anybody seen my girl?
Now if you run into a five foot two
Covered in fur,
Diamond rings and all those things,
Bet-cha life it isn't her.
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By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 6:22

The GOP is so bereft of fresh ideas that they are trotting out another Texan Governor as one of their top contenders for the WH in 2012. Yup, Rick Perry, the ex-fighter pilot turned pastor-politician is rated a very close second to the rejected has-been with the magic underwear, Mitt Romney.

In light of the dismal performances by Texans LBJ and GW Bush, it may be necessary to enact a Constitutional Amendment outlawing any future Texan Presidencies.

Perry has "joked" about secession; it's not a laughing matter; 618,000 young Americans died in the last go round. The guy's a shallow vessel, easily manipulated by special interests....that's the best the Republicans can offer?

By: gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 6:27

Perry will likely get the nomination. He'll rally the evangelicals to vote against a Mormon...and Obama is doing nothing to indicate he'd be a solid leader in the next term.

Texas can boast of creating jobs during the recession, though from what I understand, most are low paying, simple jobs like fast food. But hey, when unemployment is over 9%, you'll take what you can get.

But I agree, Loner. It looks like Perry is really Bush III.

By: dargent7 on 8/12/11 at 6:39

GW Bush "spoke and walked with Jesus". Then launched two wars.
Bachmann "talks to God directly" who told her to run.
Perry prays to Jesus for guidance.
These people who spend a lot of time in communion with, and get direction from, God and Jesus, scare the hell out of me.

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 6:40

Dolly Parton apologizes to gay couple
Updated: Aug 04, 2011 6:58 PM CDT

Dolly Parton apologized to a gay couple that was offended at Dollyworld. (Source: CNN)
(CNN) - Singer Dolly Parton has issued a personal apology to a gay couple.
A woman was asked to turn a shirt that read, "Marriage is so gay," inside out before she could enter Dollywood's Splash Country.
The woman was visiting the park last month with her wife and friends when her shirt was deemed inappropriate.
Apparently, the park has a strict dress code.
The woman complied, but later sent an email to the park about the incident.
In response, the park offered to refund the couple's admission fee.
Dolly Parton responded with a note saying, in part, "Dollywood is a family park and all families are welcome."

And if I wear a shirt to Dollywood that says "Gay is so Gay" will I be complying with the trend of the times. This is absolutely hogwash. We have more important things to do than single out special classes for recognition.

By: dargent7 on 8/12/11 at 6:41

gD: Romney will get it. Maybe Perry as a VP or Pawlenty.
10 bucks.

Oh, and CJ will get 40 million over 5 years.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 6:43

I agree, GD, Obama seems to be floundering. He is losing support from members of his own party over his handling of the Israel-Palestine conflict; if AIPAC and JACPAC curtail his campaign funding, and in turn fund his opponent, Obama will be a one-termer.

Remember, last May, Netanyahu got 37 standing ovations before a joint session of the US Congress; meanwhile, Obama was booed at the AIPAC annual event.

Considering the recent US denouncement of Israel's recent announcement of thousands of new housing units, to be built for Jews Only on occupied Arab land, Obama is stepping closer to the brink of political annihilation...or worse. The majority of Israelis now consider President Obama to be an existential threat....his days may be numbered.

Biden is ready to don the Yarmulke and pray at the Wailing Wall...the stage is set.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 6:48

For another perspective on the GOP hopefuls check this out:


By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 6:53

I wonder if a family of Sasquatch would be welcomed at Dolly Parton's family-oriented theme park...or would they have to shave, shower and put on some Walmart-wear?

By: gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 7:01

Well, Bud, it seems that Dolly can do what she wants, it's her park. Maybe a more appropriate shirt for you to wear would be "Whining is so gay".

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/11 at 7:02

Bigfoot walks into Dollywood...

By: gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 7:07

Obama is very smart, but he seems to lack a backbone. I understand that compromise is essential in politics, and the GOP's official policy is to avoid compromise if it will get Obama out of office, but there comes a time when a leader should stand his ground and dictate the correct course. Obama gets an F.

Unless there's some extraordinary economic upswing, or someone like Bachmann or Palin gets the GOP nomination, I don't see Obama being a second termer.

By: BigPapa on 8/12/11 at 7:46

Obama has proven himself to be exactly what I thought he was. An Empty Suite, a guy with zero accomplishments, but he was black and spoke well, so he made white liberals feel all gooey inside for voting for him.
Personally I think Hillary would have made a better Pres. than Obama, but the Dems were suffering "Clinton fatigue" and made a bad choice.

He's proven to be the black Jimmy Carter. Hopefully he can fully follow Carter's legacy as a one term President.

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 7:56

Loner, your 7:43 post is saying it all. And then G hits the nail on the head with his commentary to Odrama's backbone! What we need is "a little less talk and a lot more action".

And in reference to paying tribute to young people, how about this: How about we pay tribute to the young person who works and pays their own way through college; or the teen who chooses NOT to do drugs, have sex or steal; or the teen who is respectful to their parents; or the teen who, even though handicapped, buckles down and studies hard and makes good grades; or the teen who helps out their elderly neighbors?

I say that we stop honoring people for their sexual or political preferences and honor those who are doing the hard work of life!

By: gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 7:57

No accomplishments? That's an absurd notion.

Harvard graduate, President of Harvard Review, Illinois Senator, U.S. Senator, President of the U.S.

If only my children could accomplish so little.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/11 at 8:02

The Donald thought he had Obama Trump, but he soon founded himself a laughing stock.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 8:03

On the flip side, it's hard to be a solid leader when the opposition's purposely obstructing every move you make solely for the purpose of causing you to fail, regardless of the validity.

Somehow, I bet that papa and bud will completely overlook this point. Shocking.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:06

Here is a link to an excellent analysis of Obama's presidency from a professor of psychology. It's 4 pages of text, but worth the read, IMO.


"Black Jimmy Carter", BigPapa? President Carter forged a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel that still stands today....no other one-termer, or two-termer, has ever accomplished so much in an attempt to resolve the vexing Israel-Palestine issue...yet he gets no respect....Carter is definitely persona non grata.

Why is that? Jimmy Carter used the "A-word" in the title of one of his books: "Palestine - Peace, not Apartheid". The Israelis excoriated Carter for that...today, he is something of a political pariah....he's been branded as an "anti-Semite" by the ingrates in the Holy Land.

Ronald Reagan and the Republicans worked with the Ayatollahs behind Carter's back; a hostage deal was struck in secret....the man was a victim of circumstance and perfidy.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:15

Thank you, Budlight. I surely hope that I am wrong, but I think that Obama's life may be in danger - the breadth and depth of the hatred directed towards the man is astonishing. If I were in Obama's big shoes, I might consider retiring after one term...like LBJ before him, he may not be able to pull of a re-election bid....Biden could play the Hubert Humphrey role and take a stab at it....but egos are supersized at Obama's level; anything is possible.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/11 at 8:17

Very true gdia and I am not surprised.

Loner, I have thought that action of Reagan’s to be an act of treason.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:22

Me too, Captain Nemo...but instead of being sent to Leavenworth prison, they named an airport and an aircraft carrier after the treasonous scumbag....go figure

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:30

I expect that the economic and political power elites will whipsaw Wall Street like a yo-yo...inciting panic among the electorate...then Romney or Perry will be cast as white knights, capable of saving the nation from ruination at the hands of an incompetent, quota-boy president.

This is going to get very ugly.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:34

House! Missed your 8:02 post...it's good to know that you are still one of the regular posters. I had a great time at my retreat, but I missed this site and this posting community.

Bigfoot walks into Dollywood...and heads straight for the gay piano bar?

By: BigPapa on 8/12/11 at 8:35

If you want to think Jimmy Carter is an example of a great presidency by all means, enjoy your club of two. You and Mr. Carter can have some wonderful times together because you may be the only two people that see it that way.

His name is synonymous with failure.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:38

Well, Papa, we all have our opinions; to me if Carter represents failure, who needs success. Future historians may look kindly upon President Carter, once the dust of the Great Theocratic Wars settles....if there are any historians left to tell the tale.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/11 at 8:42

Carter’s only problem was that he was an honest man in Washington. There is nothing wrong with an honest man in DC, but you had better know the dirty tricks and how to defend against that fact of politics.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 8:45

Synonymous with failure?

If you mean the failed attempt to rescue the hostages, you're probably right. That's what he's best remembered for...and peanuts and Billy Beer...and the Playboy interview...

Actually, most of the perception of him is by Conservatives, who would explode in a bloody mess if they ever had to admit the opposition party ever succeeded.

So, you're on a roll today. Try for a third incorrect point and get the trifecta. Hell, it's early, go for the Ovetchtrick.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:55

Heard about the judge in PA who just got 28 years for a "cash for kids" scam? Seems he was getting financial rewards for every kid he sentenced to a privately-owned prison. I doubt if this joker is the only judge on the take with these private prison operations....I'd like to see a full federal review of this new growth industry...this thing really stinks...I left a comment.

Here's the URL...it's a biggie:


By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 8:56

Oh crap, did that URL widen the page?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/11 at 8:58


By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 9:00

I think that the NCP has some format vulnerability issues.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 9:03

Something happened, Captain Nemo; the URL in my 9:55 post has altered the screen I'm getting on my PC. Is there such a thing as a toxic URL?

I apologize for the inconvenience, perhaps the webmaster can fix the glitch.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/11 at 9:05

There is nothing wrong on this end Loner.

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 9:15

Dear outgoing editor Stephen George:
I sincerely hope that Congressman Cooper gives you some more substantial news to cover. Seriously, your paper of late is proving to be an effective sleep aid. Best wishes.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 9:18

Sleep aid? It's a great laxative...we all agree on that.

By: Ingleweird on 8/12/11 at 9:36

I read about that. Michael Moore touched on this in Capitalism: A Love Story. Justice has been served; at least to an extent.

By: BigPapa on 8/12/11 at 9:47

Stand up at the next at the next Dem convention and tell everyone you think Barak is as good of a President as Jimmy Carter. I doubt many will see that as a compliment.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/11 at 9:49

Next time I'm there I will.

By: Kosh III on 8/12/11 at 10:17

I recall a standing ovation for Carter last time he was at a convention, maybe 2004?

He was the last President to seriously tackle the budget deficits which at the time were tiny, esp. in comparison to the huge debt Raygun built up.

His attempts to dratically cut spending and down size the bureaucracy were met with frenzied opposition in Congress by all sides including vigorous resistance from such "fiscal conservatives" as Barry Goldwater and others.
Carter did broker peace in the Middle East, tried to cut nuclear arms back drastically and refused to do business with repressive regimes like Raygun's buddies Somoza and Botha.

He IS a genuine Christian, look at how he's spent his time. Unlike Raygun who went around selling himself for 15k a pop making speeches, Carter tended the sick, fed the hungry and especially helped the homeless and those who were marginalized.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 10:22

My original comment on that comment board (cited above) was removed, Ingleweird.
I said that I hoped the judge was sent to the general population section of a maximum security prison and that "Bubba" would be his room mate. Just so the judge could feel how those kids felt, when he sent them up the river. No lubricants.

The webmaster there pulled the comment, but not the reply to it.

I'm glad that the NCP is more tolerant of free speech.

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 10:24

Amen, Kosh...Carter walks the walk....Bravo, Jimmy Carter!

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 11:10

gdiafante on 8/12/11 at 9:03
On the flip side, it's hard to be a solid leader when the opposition's purposely obstructing every move you make solely for the purpose of causing you to fail, regardless of the validity.

Somehow, I bet that papa and bud will completely overlook this point. Shocking.

Yeah, I kind of understand what you mean G. Kind of like the way the democrats did to Bush when they were in control during his presidency! Sort of sounds the same - just a bunch of dope smoking, excessive drinking and spending yahoo's running our country and our government into the ground.

Loner, in reference to your comment about Obama 9:15: I think that every political person's life is in danger going back to Lincoln, Reagan, and more recently Gabby Gifford. She has definitely been blessed. I never want anything to happen to any political office holder from the dog catcher to the President.

They know the danger when they take the oath of office. Our country does not need another Lincoln or Kennedy. We need to protect our president from bodily harm. Of course, they can still eat Hamburgers from 5 Guys and sneak cigs behind the back of everyone while they lie and say they don't, and maybe that'll take 'em down (ha, ha)!

By: budlight on 8/12/11 at 11:15

gay   /geɪ/ Show Spelled [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.
3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.
4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5. homosexual.

NOW, let's get back to basics: The every last definition for gay is sexually oriented. So from now on when I say the word gay, I am referring to items 1 through 3 above. Example: I am having a gay Christmas party. I am feeling gay today. OMG, the ornaments on my tree are so gay. My dog has on a gay bandana. My dog is so gay.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE. The word gay is used in many ways. So if anyone else on this post wants to be gay today, go ahead, laugh, be merry, have some warm fuzzies and let's stop all this bickering over the city council. They are so not gay! I'd call them all fuddy-dutties!

JUST KIDDING! Having a little fun - a "hay day" if you will!

By: Loner on 8/12/11 at 11:35

Thank you for the primer on gaiety, Budlight. I just Googled the word "gay"...in spite of what your dictionary may claim, definition number 5 is number one....page after Google page of gay=homosexual. Google let's you know how various words and terms are actually being used currently....it stays abreast of the changes in our language.