Up for Debate

Sunday, August 14, 2011 at 10:09pm

The Metropolitan Housing and Development Agency has been under fire of late for its condemnation practices, the most controversial of which came when it undervalued land in the Music City Center footprint owned by real estate investment company Tower Investments. The agency is supposed to balance its development actions — such as eminent domain — with its work as the city's public housing provider. Would you prefer to see the agency focus on one above the other? Which is more important to the broader interests of the city? 

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By: serr8d on 8/15/11 at 6:43

Of course we should first work to limit condemnations and seizures of private property; such activities are, unless absolutely necessary to (a preferably minimalist) Government's function, contrary to private ownership, and should not be the first course of action. Allow private entities to complete any transactions, if possible.

If such private transactions aren't possible, then consider (after weighing heavily) a condemnation and seizure under eminent domain laws.

Best if such condemnations and seizures result in new jobs being created; and NOT Government jobs. Such jobs are lesser jobs than those in the private sector, and should be viewed as lesser jobs for the less 'qualified' people who can't seem to find work in the private sector (bless their hearts).

The very last thing Government needs involved in would be the 'public housing' requirement. Minimalist should be the rule: we shouldn't make such places nice enough to have people to want to stay in 'em forever; always make 'em for temporary use only. We don't want to see develop in public housing residents a sense of 'entitlement' to said housing, because it is not Government's job to create a dependent class of people, even though it seems to be in a certain political Party's best interest, for to secure votes and stay in power.

By: serr8d on 8/15/11 at 6:47

Heh. Best name for a 'new' Public Housing Project.

Moocherville~!

By: govskeptic on 8/15/11 at 7:31

Original purpose of agency was public housing. It was the Camel's nose under
the tent that got the other going which was much more interesting to the local
political leaders and Chamber. The public housing has been handled pretty
lousy from the beginning . The development portion has a rather checkered
past with the public with some success and some failures. Both the size,
large powers, and mission should be examined very closely going forward!

The President is proposing the Government buy up many of the homes in
foreclosure and rent them out while waiting to be sold, that should make
this agency even larger with a task probably impossible to handle!

By: Kosh III on 8/15/11 at 8:31

It is our fault

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/08/14/120648/new-study-blames-human-beings.html

"About half the recent record loss of Arctic sea ice can be blamed on global warming caused by human activity, according to a new study by scientists from the nation's leading climate research center.
The peer-reviewed study,...."

Note that peer review does not mean Glen Beck or Sarah Palin. It's time for you empty headed animal food trough waterers to stop listening to the self-serving lies of the greedy politicians and corporatists. Climate change is happening--for the worse.

By: HokeyPokey on 8/15/11 at 9:00

Don't try to tell that to knife-boy, Kosh. He'll Photoshop you in an unflattering manner, so great are his skills (parenthetical and otherwise).

By: Captain Nemo on 8/15/11 at 9:13

We seem to over look such action as this that has been take place in this country ever since we became a nation. The difference now it is not the Indians that are being move off their land, it is the settlers.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/15/11 at 9:19

Now H.P, we will here from an old retired weatherman (if he ever was) tell us that the weather goes in cycles and this all a part of what God has planed ever since he founded the world. LOL

By: macjedi on 8/15/11 at 9:26

Ignoring the small-minded Neocon B.S. herein, assuming the worst about other human beings. Back to the adult conversation.

MDHA should be residential in its scope. We should have a separate agency which deals with these growth issues. Companies should be low-balled when they sit on slummy property they are not taking care of. "Improvement appraisal" needs to be scrutinized to not reward the greedy holders of land upon which low-brow dive bars and pothole-laden overpriced car lots are kept.

Let's start a Matro Department of Telling You There is Nice Stuff We Plan To Do with Your Craphole department. That's what's really going on.

For one, I am GLAD they low-balled the greed in SoBro. Let that be a lesson to corporate bums and slum lords who allow property to stagnate with no concern over the effects it has on quality of life in the city. Also glad to see MCC creating a new vibrant district.

By: budlight on 8/15/11 at 9:31

By: govskeptic on 8/15/11 at 7:31
Original purpose of agency was public housing. It was the Camel's nose under
the tent that got the other going which was much more interesting to the local
political leaders and Chamber. The public housing has been handled pretty
lousy from the beginning . The development portion has a rather checkered
past with the public with some success and some failures. Both the size,
large powers, and mission should be examined very closely going forward!

The President is proposing the Government buy up many of the homes in
foreclosure and rent them out while waiting to be sold, that should make
this agency even larger with a task probably impossible to handle!

Gov have you seen photos of the Detroit debacle? Maybe Odrama should buy up Detroit and transform that city first. Once he is successful at doing that, he can then tell us all how to live. I just got actual photos of Detroit. It is totally ruined. Where is this country headed?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/15/11 at 9:32

By: yogiman on 8/14/11 at 8:27
dumba..,

If you are as interested in America as you show yourself to be over your love for Barry Soetoro, go to google and click in Henry Lamb. When his name shows up, click in Henry Lamb column-Renew America. Then go to his column Rural Council: It's about control.

Yes, the DOT said no at first, but unless you have been keeping track on him; he ain't give up yet. He hasn't taken of as dictator yet.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yogi, if you think that Henry Lamb is a good source of intelligent, then you are so full of crap that you could be classified as a Condo for Dung Beetles. He is a conspiracy nut that see Martians and Boogiemen under the bed. I just consider the source…you and another wacko.

Meet Henry Lamb, Glenn Beck’s go-to guy on “global governance”

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005250076

By: JeffF on 8/15/11 at 9:51

Off Budget Enterprises (OBEs) such as MDHA are evil. I am happy that the City Paper has chosen to examine how mayors in Nashville are making sausage using the MDHA grinder. The next step is to list the other OBEs in Metro government and cite where they are used to get around the oversight process.

Many of you will be surprised to find out how many of these OBEs have no bid contracts with Dean supporters. I cannot think of one of them that has not spent hundreds of thousands with McNeely Piggott and Fox. The airport authority dropped their long time PR firm in a surprise move for MP&F without any reason (just after MP&F made headlines on the convention center feed trough). Then they spent thousands on a video holiday card produced by MP&F.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/15/11 at 9:55

By: yogiman on 8/14/11 at 12:02
serr8d,

For the little over 200 years following our founders development of our nation, it has been great in our lifetimes. But looking into it from top to bottom today, sadly you can only see a few good years into the possible future of a nation.

I remember in my youth, career politicians were few and far between. Most of them went to DC, served a couple of terms and went home. And yes, it usually got them a few favors in their lines of work, but we had more farmers and regular men in congress before. It didn't take millions of dollars to be elected for a two year term to the House or six year term to the Senate.They used good staffs to advise them on the different issues.

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Once again yogi dazzles us with his lack historical knowledge. He thinks career politicians something new. The only reason he has any objection to them is that he thinks they are all Democrats. LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 8/15/11 at 10:06

Back on subject; the last I heard of this was that Metro was contesting that judgment.

By: Loner on 8/15/11 at 10:26

I suppose that we could round up the poor folks and cart them off to camps, to clear the way for upscale development...any suggestions on where to dump the scraggly, scruffy riff raff, Serr8d?

By: Kosh III on 8/15/11 at 10:40

"Once again yogi dazzles us with his lack historical knowledge. He thinks career politicians something new. The only reason he has any objection to them is that he thinks they are all Democrats. LOL"

Yogi? Ever hear of Howard Baker? Senior was a long time member of the House of Representatives, Junior was a Senator AND he married a Senator who's father had run for President against FDR.

Lodge
Byrd
Fish
Bush
Taft

all multi-generational political families,

By: Kosh III on 8/15/11 at 10:42

"any suggestions on where to dump the scraggly, scruffy riff raff, Serr8d?"

There are 3000 acres of scruffy parkland on the west side of town that could be a good dumping ground. What's it called? Weiner? Winner? Warner?

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 10:53

Yep, dumba..,

You are going to HEAR from that old retired weatherman HERE. How about looking my history up? Since you could pass your brilliant ignorant knowledge about me our to the internet, surely you would have found out I was a retired weatherman.

Or are you simply imploring your ignorance more?

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 10:54

One has to wonder if serr8d, who claims to be a big fan of our founding political philosophers (and who I'm convinced is a paid troll), has EVER read the writings of people like Thomas Paine?

"It is horrid that any man, more especially at the price coals [oil, in our day] now are, should live on the distresses of a community" - Thomas Paine.

By: bfra on 8/15/11 at 10:57

yogi - To be a retired "jack of all trades, master of none", to hear you tell it, you don't appear to know a lot about anything.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 11:02

Ever wonder why it is that the right is so against the idea of free public education? Consider this quote....

"A nation under a well-regulated government should permit none to remain uninstructed. It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support." - Thomas Paine.

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 11:03

KoshIII,

Put that pea between you ears to work a little. Go back into my "old days" and how may career politicians did we have? A few, yes. Nearly all, no.

Now, compared to "them old days", how many career politician do we have. At least a couple of more, wouldn't you agree (joke intended because most all are career politicians now)?

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 11:06

Sorry I'm not as brilliant as you think you are, bfra. I'll work on it a little more to see if I can degenerate my brain to equal you'rn.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 11:09

And meanwhile every newbie that walks onto the floor of Congress gets eaten alive by the lobbyists that have been there forever.

By: bfra on 8/15/11 at 11:11

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 11:06

Sorry I'm not as brilliant as you think you are, bfra. I'll work on it a little more to see if I can degenerate my brain to equal you'rn.
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That would be nice, maybe then you could make some logical comments and bury the old wives tales & propaganda. You might even offer some proof of things you post!

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 11:14

bfra said

"You might even offer some proof of things you post!"

Once upon a time..............

By: Loner on 8/15/11 at 11:28

Shall we continue with ad hominems, or shall we get a rational debate going?

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 11:38

Loner said

"Shall we continue with ad hominems, or shall we get a rational debate going?"

When did we start talking about "don't ask, don't tell"?

Howdy Loner......

By: bfra on 8/15/11 at 11:42

Loner - We don't have any rational politicians here in Nashville to discuss. Just double dealing ones! Wanna start there? LOL

By: athyrio on 8/15/11 at 12:03

Where are the poor people gonna sleep? In the new convention center?

By: Loner on 8/15/11 at 12:05

Let's talk about the GOP hopefuls...or should I say the GOP hopeless?

Seems like the party of Lincoln is offering us two secessionist Jesus freaks, Perry and Bachmann, to preside over our union of states. Abe Lincoln is turning over in his grave...his party has done a complete one-eighty.

Perry thinks that Social Security is unconstitutional, though the USSC settled that matter in 1937. If he runs against Social Security, as a major plank in his platform, President Obama will whip the swashbuckling cowboy's @ss. This guy would turn the clock back to a time when most old folks ended up in the poor house, if they lived long enough.

Apparently the Republicans actually dig those crazy eyes and the crazy brain behind them; Bachmann won the Iowa Poll. She's got the Joan of Arc syndrome....no doubt about it. She's ready for Holy War, to make the world safe for apartheid Zionism....she's a tool.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 12:11

Loner,

Speaking of Bachmann, I was truly surprised as to how aggressive David Gregory questioned her on Meet The Press. He usually has a tendency to let things slide no matter which party is in the hot seat.

By: Loner on 8/15/11 at 12:11

Howdy Brrrk; it's good to be back.

By: Loner on 8/15/11 at 12:23

Yeah, she "clarified" her comments about women being submissive to their hubbies. Some think the questions asked on this point were unfair, but I think they were relevant and legitimate.

Bachmann likes to quote Paul, the who man thought women should stifle themselves. Of course, Paul, was actually a Roman citizen, Saul of Tarsus, who was actively hunting down Christians until he was thrown from his high horse. Brain damaged, the zealot flipped over to the other side and proceeded to hijack Christ's message. And our would-be GOP presidents would use Paul's twisted philosophy as a national guideline.

Dammit, we need avowed atheists to run for US President. Same goes for Congress...we need non-believers, not believers. Holy Wars Suck!

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 12:35

brrrrk,

Sorry,

I don't share the "intelligence" you have to persuade you and the others on this site to read anything when I post where I read the point I'm trying to make. You already have your personal thought in that pea size brain in your skull and no one is going to convince you to look into that actual facts.

You're conclusion before you read a post I make is: If that old man posted it, it can't be right.

Well, the Honeymoon is over. And you SHOULD KNOW the honeymoon is over when comedians start their comments; like;

"The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree.. and think 25 to life would be appropriate" - Jay Leno

"America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask". - Jay Leno

Q. "What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?"
A. "A fund raiser." -Jay Leno

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By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 12:42

I must disagree, Loner.

This nation was founded under God's name. Agreed, our founders made a few mistakes, but what the hell, they had no idea this country was going to turn out like it is today.

Our founders were involved for the people of the nation at that time. The politicians of today are involved for themselves, to hell with the people.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 1:07

yogiman said

"This nation was founded under God's name."

Seriously.... then provide quotes to prove it. And not from "johnny come latelys" that inserted religious doctrine after the fact (like the KoC, who pushed for the inclusion of the phrase "under God" in the pledge), but from founding fathers that supported the joining of church and state.

Now's your time to shine.......

By: bfra on 8/15/11 at 1:34

brrrrk - I wouldn't don any sunglasses, expecting some kind of brilliance!

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 1:35

brrrrk,

I'm sure I in my history classes as a child I read a different history book than you, if you ever read one.

But for me to name the title of the book I studied I studied 75 years ago, forget it. But I'm sure you can quote the title to the one you read 6 years ago... as a child.

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 1:36

Sorry, brrrrk. I didn't study twice back then.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 1:38

yogiman said

"I'm sure I in my history classes as a child I read a different history book than you, if you ever read one."

Ok, then blow the dust off of one of those old tomes that you have and provide a quote. Prove your point.....

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 1:56

"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country." -- George Washington

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries...." "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." -- Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper

"Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty, may have found an established Clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just Government instituted to secure & perpetuate it needs them not." -- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." --- Article VI, The U.S. Constitution

By: gdiafante on 8/15/11 at 2:13

Yogi, the one who can barely compose a coherent sentence, will never back up any statement with facts, only complete nonsense about old textbooks he read while walking to school...uphill...in two feet of snow...barefoot...

Honestly, he's not even worth the effort anymore.

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 2:15

brrrrk.

Is your history education more profound and better than mine? How about "teaching" me some of "your" education. Teach me about the history of the USA! I'm sure you've lived it longer than I and know more about it.

By the way..., "Have you heard about McDonald's new Obama Value Meat?"
Answer: "Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it", commented by Conan O'Brien on one of his late night shows.

Q. "What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?"
A. "Bo has papers", commented by Jimmy Kimmel on one of his late night shows.

And by the way, a solution has been figured on the problem in Libya. They want a Muslim leader, hell, give them ours.. free! They can have him. He ain't doing us no good.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 2:17

And still no proof....

By: budlight on 8/15/11 at 2:19

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

What does "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" mean? Huh?

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 2:21

Sorry, gdiafarte,

I can't comp[are my mental capacity to yours. But, you know, you don't have to read anything I post. When you see my name, just skip it.

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 2:29

brrrrk,

You are right on your postings. So why does congress start each session with a prayer? Or have they quit?

Yes, our founders passed Amendment I to make sure the government would not be controlled through religious beliefs. That amendment was ratified effective on December 15, 1791, before they went home for Christmas.

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 2:39

budlight,

"What does 'deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed' mean? Huh?"

And where do you see ANY reference to the Christian God? And even if their was a reference, then which one? The Quaker God, the Baptist God, the Church of England's God, the Puritan God, the Protestant God, the Evangelical God (and by the way, at the time of the writing of the Declaration, Evangelical forms of the Protestant religion were barely a blip on the radar... so their God shouldn't count, right?), the Roman Catholic God, or any of the other "Christian" Gods from all the other religions that were in this country at that time?

By: yogiman on 8/15/11 at 2:40

budlight,

That's one thing I could never understand about Congress when they made the statement "All men are created equal,..." Did they mean all men were created equal only by birth?

If not, then why did they accept slavery? Why did they not give the slaves citizenship? Was it like having a dog in the family and they weren't entitled to vote?

By: brrrrk on 8/15/11 at 2:45

yogiman said

"You are right on your postings. So why does congress start each session with a prayer? Or have they quit?"

Why do we not walk under a ladder, or throw salt over our shoulders when we spill it....? Ever hear of tradition? Do we really believe that Santa delivers gift's if we put up a tree?