Up for Debate: Ag-gag bill

Thursday, April 18, 2013 at 10:05pm

Do you believe a bill headed to the governor's desk that would required those who record images of animal abuse to turn them over to law enforcement within 48 hours will help fight abuse or only hurt the efforts to document it and therefore prosecute abusers?

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125 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 4/19/13 at 1:46

Well, welcome to the club, bfra.

By: bfra on 4/19/13 at 1:47

brrrrk - That is fighting words! Our culture is a melting pot, but just like good soup, too many ingredients can sometimes ruin it. My thoughts can no way be associated with Ben & yogi.

By: bfra on 4/19/13 at 1:49

In your dreams yogi! I couldn't get as low as you If I used a trachoe.

By: bfra on 4/19/13 at 1:49

brrrrk - I think that deserves an apology!

By: BenDover on 4/19/13 at 1:56

"If you live in a country where you're never required to take responsibility for yourself, where you never even have to ask whether there's something you should be doing to solve your own problems, then people are kept in kind of a permanent state of collective immaturity and it becomes quite easy for them to believe that someone else's success is the cause of their distress."

Bill Clinton
Nov. 7, 2001
Speech at Georgetown University

By: bfra on 4/19/13 at 1:56

brrrrk - Tell me what was in my comment that wasn't true?

By: bfra on 4/19/13 at 1:57

Ben - Very true!

By: BenDover on 4/19/13 at 2:09

Sadly there's a huge effort in our own country to try to turn America into that Shangri-La.

By: Loner on 4/19/13 at 2:29

Ben...that Clinto quote sounds like Rasputin...with Spellcheck...no?

By: Loner on 4/19/13 at 2:36

The temperature outside is plunging...barometer too...the spinal column is sensitive to these things; my L-4 vertebra is telling me to move to Colorado right about now...those who believe that retired mailmen have not earned their pensions should feel my pain right now....but that's OK...like the nuns said, "Suffer in silence...it builds character"...so, I'll self-medicate and try to show some mettle.

By: BenDover on 4/19/13 at 2:37


By: BenDover on 4/19/13 at 2:44


By: Rasputin72 on 4/19/13 at 3:08

LONER............You bring up a good point. I never use spellcheck and assumed that very few highly educated people used it. Perhaps Bill Clinton used spellcheck in this speech because he did not want his many detractors to be given a chance to criticise.

Spellcheck is an excellent crutch and aid for those that are "spellingly" challenged.

It is my considered opinion that the only daily newspaper in the country that uses spellcheck
consistenly by its proofreaders is the New York Times. The Wall Street Journal is just a sliver behind the times.

The Nashville Tennessean is caught between the Daily Racing Form and the Fresno Bee.

By: Loner on 4/19/13 at 3:14

Chechnya and Degestan may not be in the ME, but the Holy War between the Muslims and the Judeo-Christians has spread all across the globe...to claim that the Israel-Palestine conflict, for example, is not part of this global faith-based conflict is simply untrue...it is actually germane to the worldwide struggle.

By: yogiman on 4/19/13 at 3:33

Good "speech" by Clinton, Ben. But what kind of responsible man was Bill clinton>

Bill Clinton registered for the draft on September 8, 1964. His SSN was 426 46 228.
He was classified 2-S on Nov. 17, 1964.
He was reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968
He was ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1`969.
He refused to report and was not inducted into the military.
He was reclassified 1_D after enlisting in the US Army Reserves on Aug. 7, 1969 under the authority of Col. E. Holmes.
He signed his enlistment papers and took the oath of enlistment.
He failed to report to his duty station at the U. of Arkansas ROTC, in Sept. 1969.
He was reclassified 1-A on Oct. 30, 1069 as his enlistment with the Army Reserve was revoked by Col E. Holmes. He was then AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2) as a registrant who failed to report. He remained liable for induction.
He run for Congress in 1974 while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
He run for the Arkansas Attorney General office in 1976, while still a fugitive of justice.
He received a pardon on Jan. 21, from Jimmy Carter.
Bill Clinton was the first pardoned federal felon to ever serve as President of the USA. (he may not be the last)
All of these facts come from the of Information requests, public laws and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Clinton promised those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia which killed 5 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised they would be hunted down and punished.
Add the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, plus the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassies in Africa which killed 224 and injured 5,000, plus the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 30 U.S. sailors, Clinton promised to hunt down and punish those responsible.If Clinton had kept his promises, would the estimated 3000 people in NY And DC still be alive today?

After his promises to hunt mass murderers, but not hunt them, Bill will get about 12 million for his memoirs and Hillary will get 8 million for her memoirs.

And this is for two people who will receive millions for their memoirs yet to be written... who spent 8 years unable to recall anything about past events while under oath?

Shall we presume their memories were refreshed when the left their offices of oath?

(this information was released by Cdr. Hamilton McWorther USN (ret).

Thanks, Commander.

By: budlight on 4/19/13 at 4:10

y: MamaG on 4/19/13 at 9:48
Sidney, I can see your point about meat eaters. I do eat meat and sometimes I feel guilty about it. I love leather and suede leather but I don't think about where it comes from. Maybe I should start doing so.....

Even the truest of American Indians skinned animals for their hides to make clothing/foot wear; and they ate meat.

I don't like chicken; it was hard to watch grannie swing them around and snap their necks, but the worst part was plucking the feathers out of their dead little skins. Yuck. I also don't like pork, but I like fried bacon; go figure.

And Loner "dog in the fight" is an old saying.

Say how about those angels with bombs? Nice guys according to their aunt and dad. Do nice guys carry bombs and guns to watch a marathon? NOT

By: budlight on 4/19/13 at 4:18

And Mama, it's OK to eat meat and love leather and suede; don't beat yourself up.

Loner, the bomber's dad should be "interviewed" because he said "if they kill my 2nd son, there will be hell to pay". He's got a plan to bomb something, probably. Obama needs to visit him.

Vegan here, organic gardener, tree-hugger. (per Kosh).

I just got a book Kosh; it's "Raw Food Made Easy" by Jennifer Cornbleet; looks interesting. I'm strongly vested in green smoothies, raw foods and extremely moderate dairy and meat. I'd make the switch to vegan if I could convince hubby, but he's a strong meat and tators guy when he's doing heavy iron work and construction. But for the most part, he eats healthy also.

By: Loner on 4/20/13 at 5:57

I wonder how Dolores Gresham, one of the sponsors of the Ag-Gag bill would like to have her feet burned with a caustic agent and then be beaten until she stands up on those burnt feet and prances around in the stylish manner that her master

The women is Tennesee's Cruella de Vil....what a creep.

By: budlight on 4/20/13 at 8:06

Loner, up so early? And posting on Saturday? You must be really bored; or home bound with a cold or something. Shouldn't you be protesting on a street corner? Are you going to rally round the bomber and defends his rights to a fair trial? I mean, after all, he's got rights, now, doesn't he?

I wonder who pays his and his brother's bills here in the US? Does not sound like they had jobs. Well, I'm sure Obama will help him out, after all he helped the Fort Hood monster.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/20/13 at 8:27

bud must be feeling better, because she returns to her normal nasty self.

By: budlight on 4/21/13 at 12:47

Of course, you would say that nemo. That's just who you are. And thank you. Yes, I'm feeling better. And what is normal, anyway?

By: yogiman on 4/21/13 at 4:58

What is normal, budlight? Well, it can't be the mentality of dumba$$ now, can it?

By: yogiman on 4/21/13 at 7:32


If you aren't running around in some protest today, I would like to refer you to a man on the Obama issue. If you haven't heard of him, his name is Dr. James David Manning. He's a preacher who has much to say about Barry, and it ain't pretty but the facts are laid out and he "laid them on the table".

As I've posted before, I'm not a master in the use of this computer and can't forward the speech I heard him make yesterday about Barack Obama. I believe you can find him through Google or Bing.

By: Ask01 on 4/21/13 at 8:17

Good Sunday morning all.

Loner, since your 4/20/13 at 6:57 is the last comment on topic, please allow me to put in my two cents worth.

I believe, if those supporting the bill were to witness some of the inhumane methods and practices employed by "animal factories," a change of heart would take place.

They would first, swear off that food for a while, and second, unanimously not only condemn the legislation, but support lengthy prison sentences for everyone, even up to the CEO's and board members, connected to the operation. Hiding in the corner office or in the boardroom would not pass muster as an excuse. They should have known what was happening.

Humane treatment of animals and the painless as possible slaughter is a hall mark of civilized society. Even parts of the kashrut, Jewish Dietary Law supposedly addresses the humane dispatch of animals, and this dates back millenia. We should be just circumspect in our modern western society regarding this issue. (No, I'm not Jewish by a long shot. I love my ham biscuits and pulled pork as much as the next southern boy, but I do read too much, I suppose.)

Of course, I am reminded of the comment I once read opining that those who love sausage and politics should never watch either being made.

I believe politics in Tennessee is a perfect example of that comment.Pork and all.

By: yogiman on 4/21/13 at 5:06

Interesting. A book has been written by a man in 1963 titled "The Naked Communist". The man had served in the FBI for 16 years before he wrote the book. It's interesting to check out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtoIfLgzpxe/