Up for Debate: Beacon's poll

Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 1:00am

What do you make of the results of a poll of Davidson County voters that was commissioned by the Beacon Center of Tennessee? Do you believe the percent of voters in opposition is skewed too high or even too low maybe? Or as is often the case with polls, does it matter anyway?

55 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 4:39

What is the reason for a "pre-voting" poll? A pre-voting poll is designed by the poll sponsor to influence a voter's decision. Too many voters don't want to vote for a loser and will vote for the poll giver's pre-determined winner.

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 6:14

Apparently yogi missed this valuable piece of information from the story...

Last-minute public opinion polls on controversial subjects have proven ineffective in swaying council members in the past. Leading up the council’s 2010 vote on financing the Music City Center, a WSMV-TV poll found only one in four Nashvillians supported it. The plan, however, sailed through the council by a 29-9 vote.

By: dargent7 on 6/13/12 at 6:24

Romney was in Franklin yesterday to host a $10,000 a plate fundraiser/ luncheon.
For 10 grand, you got a reception and a T-shirt.
Since Tenn. isn't a battle ground state, and bleeds RED, Romney wants the money for the swing states.
This election is all about money and attack ads. Add in false promises.
Our Democratic process is held hostage by the highest bidder.

By: puddycat on 6/13/12 at 6:29

A poll is worthless at this point. The fix between the mayor and the council was in long ago They knew what was coming and actually demonstrated it during departmental budget meetings with the mayor. All they had to do was go thru the motions of offering an alternative, reduced budget along with the actual request. Whether that alternative was in written form or only a verbal addendum in their dept review, don't know. it would be interesting to compile in aggregate, all of those alternative reductions and put a number on them.

But even that won't matter. They all knew all that their mission was to hold on thru some bumpy waters and it would be smooth sailing at the end. Through all of the hearings, most dept heads merely replied by describing the impact a reduction would have on services and skirted the financial specifics. Knowing the devil is in the details, all knew that nobody should get too specific. The obligatory question was answered constantly and consistently in the obligatory manner and the mayor moved on to the next dept. The best example I saw was the response from public works, Billy Lynch, which was and I paraphrase; "we've got a job to do and we'll get it done". Now Billy's been around a long while and learned at the feet of the master, Fate Thomas, if you serve them a bone, make sure there's no meat on it and they will go chew on something else. And that something else is US.

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 6:34

I agree, darge. No matter what political beliefs you may have, the Citizens United ruling has effectively put our government on the auction block. If anyone thinks this is what the founders intended, they're as nutty as yogi.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 6:39

Darn, it only cost 10 grand to eat with Romney? Damn, I believe I'll take him up on that because that's a lot cheaper than the 35 grand it has taken to eat with Barry.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 6:42

A pre-voting poll is just that, gdiafarte, a pre-voting poll.

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 6:48

Yogi, pay attention. Citizens don't get a vote, the council does. The poll asked voters, not the council. The story cited evidence that the poll means nothing in swaying the council.

Sometimes you just have to spell it out for the short bus people.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 6:54

Okay, gdiafarte, I'm sure you have the answer.

What did they mean when they stated 68 percent of the people opposed the 53 cent tax increase, which would mean 32 percent accepted it. They went further to state 21 percent supported it. What happened to that other 11 percent? Did they oppose or accept it?

Just curious.

By: puddycat on 6/13/12 at 6:55

yogi's 6:39

or you can blow another $ 10k and "enjoy" lunch with biden. From Nashville to Franklin, ,Middle TN is so fortunate to offer such a wide variety of dining options.

By: govskeptic on 6/13/12 at 6:55

While having no idea how accurate the Beacon poll was, I suggest it was
certainly closer to the true feelings of Nashville versus the one sided
Council vote count! Citizen United has no dollars in the Tax Increase vote
but the Mayor, Chamber, and very supportive Press coverage certainly did!
"Go along to get along" is the first thing ever new Council Member is both
told and shown immediately upon taking office by the Power Structure of
the City!

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 7:01

Do you mean Biden is worth no more than Romney? What in the hell is Barry doing with Biden in office with himself? I would think he should want at least 17,500. Isn't worth at least half as much as Barry?

By: dargent7 on 6/13/12 at 7:07

re: Jerry Sandusky trial....
His penchant for taking showers naked with 10 year old boys, receiving oral sex, isn't pedophilia or child molestation and rape, it's a personality disorder.
Calling it "horseplay" didn't fly, so they came up with Histronic something.
"He's just a whacky guy".
52 counts. 10 victims. If he walks our judicial system is brain-dead.

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 7:16

Isn't it great that the average citizen can dine with a Presidential candidate or VP and they only have to mortgage their house to do it? And they say politicians are out of touch with main street...

By: Kosh III on 6/13/12 at 7:34

The fix is in!

If I read this correctly, the budget includes 55 million for a new Sounds stadium to be built immediately.

http://nashville.gov/council/docs/CIB_FY2013/2012-13_RecCIBByDistrict.pdf
second page. 08FI0029

When was that discussed?

If the Sounds want a new playground, they can pay for it themselves.

By: treehugger7 on 6/13/12 at 7:37

I think Beacon is another right wing organization. No one wants a tax hike, but unless you want to turn this city into a third-world city, we have to have money for improvements. I don't want our bridges falling apart, our schools to get worse, and for our city to become more of a laughingstock than it already is. This is a small tax increase. You would thinnk the sky was falling listening to those teanuts at Beacon. You have to spend money to make money. Grow up, crybabies or go live in Williamson or Wilson county, and leave us alone!

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 7:39

Is that right? I'd have to agree with treehugger on this, I thought they nixed the stadium plans.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 7:46

gdiafarte,

You're confirming my argument as to where a candidate should get their campaign money which is only from the citizens they are elected to represent. That would mean only citizens of the USA for the president's office, only from the citizens of the state the senator is going to represent and only from the citizens of the district the representatives are going to represent.

Congress is not constitutionally representing corporations, businesses or foreign nations.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 7:54

I've known of cities and counties to build buildings for a business to come into their area, which would bring jobs into their area. But should they build a "fun" area to bring a sport into their area? Do those sport's businesses provide that many jobs to justify millions be spent on them?

By: slacker on 6/13/12 at 7:58

Before asking for a tax increase, this Mayor should stop:

Hiring new employees using federal funds with strings attached, and then crying disaster when the funds expire. Very devious.

Stop giving tax-breaks, and building structures, for wealthy business's & business people. I believe the Nashville Sounds are next in line with palm extended.

Stop the childish drama, and present a bare-bones budget minus the frills. Many people are struggling to makes ends meet in this down economy. The Mayor should realize that fact.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/13/12 at 8:11

Everybody loves a "Poll". Only through polls can one find reason to feel good or feel bad or feel encouraged or feel depleted.

If you tell me what answer you want I will get you a poll that gives you that answer,.

By: BenDover on 6/13/12 at 8:13

Interesting how everyone's busting on Romney for his event but the Fundraiser in Chief who outspent his opponent 2 to 1 in the last election and 4 to 1 in the last month of the last election gets a pass.

By: slacker on 6/13/12 at 8:19

Negative ads are very expensive. Both sides will be canvassing the country begging for money.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 8:21

That's different, BenDover. It's okay for him, just not the others.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 8:26

I must disagree with you, Rasputin72. I don't love a poll and pay no attention to one when I see it.

I'm only interested in the candidates in an election and try to determine who I will for for. That way, I can't blame anyone else for my mistake if I pick the wrong one so I pretty well check them out.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 8:28

s/h/b vote for, not for for.

Typing too fast with one hand and can't keep up with the other.

By: slacker on 6/13/12 at 8:29

yogi, I predict you'll vote for Romney.
-Slackerdamus

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 8:42

Re-read my post, Ben:

Isn't it great that the average citizen can dine with a Presidential candidate or VP and they only have to mortgage their house to do it? And they say politicians are out of touch with main street...

Last time I checked, the VP was a Dem...and the term politicians is plural.

By: puddycat on 6/13/12 at 8:50

re: kosh 7:34 WOW

A mere $ 4 + Billion over 6 years.
fFrom that link, here are just the grand totals by FY - buddy can you spare a dime ??

2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16
Grand Total $1,459,528,330 $787,904,180 $606,705,508 $529,864,797

2016-17 2017-18 Total
$546,256,262 $235,735,700 $4,165,994,777

With departments split apart and scattered throughout this 112 page document, one would need the actual data and the missing project details to figure out what's actually going where. Good luck to anyone who takes that on! Perhaps mr mayor has those details and would care to share or point us to them.

By: puddycat on 6/13/12 at 8:54

sorry for the bad spacing - it didn't post the way it previewed

By: BigPapa on 6/13/12 at 9:01

Nobody is going to be for a tax increase, Property tax or otherwise. Unless you start the old class warfare stuff where you only tax "the rich" and let everyone think that the tax only affects the guy in the next tax bracket you'll never get a favorable response to that question.

By: slacker on 6/13/12 at 9:13

BigPapa, a large percentage of the rich have re-located to other counties. They've gotta go after whats left, to continue the bike trials, and puppy dog tails, of Mayor Deans shining city on the hill fantasy. Its good being king.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 9:15

At least he's legally eligible, slacker. And you can't say that about your man Obama.

If Romney wins, he is just the next man in line to lead the USA into the One World Government program.

As I've said before, I couldn't see where Reagan was in that picture but all presidents since Jimmy Carter have been in line one after the other for a One World Government, and it may go back further than him. I just haven't went that far back in study.

Remember when Carter gave the Panama canal away after our nation had spent billions to create it? Why? Why did our Congress approve of that "donation"? Who owns it now? The last I heard it was China.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 9:35

Want a little fun reading, slacker? Try www.infowars.com/resolurces.html

You might know more than they do.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 9:36

Sorry, s/h/s resources. Leave the l out.

By: gdiafante on 6/13/12 at 9:43

Yawn...once again the nutjob hijacks the forum. Until this idiot is solved, I'm outta here.

By: dargent7 on 6/13/12 at 9:46

Yogi: He's NOT eligible, according to your definition.
Dad was born in Mexico.
Grand dad was born in Mexico.
Ann's dad was born in Wales. You nuyz matbe should start a movement about the First Lady's parents origination.
How's that any different from Obama's dad being born in Kenya?
All you "Birther's", "naturalized citizen", bull****.
Mexico is no different than Kenya.
Look up "foreign country".
Then look up, "born on American soil".
Obama didn't even need McCain's exemption about being born in Panama, "during war time".

By: bfra on 6/13/12 at 9:46

yogi read this, you might learn something - yogi is a dumb empty headed nut that everybody is totally sick of.

By: BenDover on 6/13/12 at 9:51

I simply don't read any post by yogi or posts that follow the forum protocol of mentioning yogi's name in the first line of a yogi response.

No offense yogi... life's too short.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 10:24

dargent7,

If Obama's father had become an American citizen before Barack was born, Barack would be a natural born citizen.

But if he was born in Kenya as he claimed for 16 years, his mother could not pass her American citizenship down to him because of her age at that time. He would have been born as a British subject after his father.

Look into your heritage. You get your name, citizenship... everything comes after your father. As I've said before, if Obama had been born in Hawaii as he later claimed, the best Barack could have gotten would have been dual citizenship. And I'm sorry, but that ain't natural born.

It doesn't matter that Romney's father and grandfather were born in Mexico. If his father was an American citizen when he was born in the USA (and also his mother), he was born as a natural born citizen.

You are born into the citizenship of your parents, but if your mother doesn't have the same citizenship as your father, you gain dual-citizenship with your your father's citizenship the dominant one. You don't have a pick.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 10:26

BedDover,

Life might be shorter than you think under our present circumstance.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 10:35

bfra,

As I've said before, if this is a "buddy" site and NCP tells me to get off the site and quit interfering with you guys, I'll go play with my dogs more. I enjoy playing with them.

In the meantime, can you explain to me why Barack Obama claimed to have been born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii for 17 years in promoting his books before he started claiming to have been born in Hawaii in 2007 when he "jumped" into politics?

It'll be interesting to know.

By: brrrrk on 6/13/12 at 10:49

gdiafante said

"I agree, darge. No matter what political beliefs you may have, the Citizens United ruling has effectively put our government on the auction block. If anyone thinks this is what the founders intended, they're as nutty as yogi."

WITH whipped cream and a cherry on top........

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 11:39

I think y'all are the nuts on this case, brrrrk.

When you vote for someone as your president whom you know nothing about tells me you're as ignorant as you were the day you were born

And just think, after three and a half years, you still don't know who the guy is. And don't seem to care.

By: pswindle on 6/13/12 at 12:55

I'm not sure that Mitt is a legal citizen of the US. His father was born in Mexico. Yogi, see how stupid you have been about President Obama. If there is no problem with Romeny, then shut up about our President.

By: bfra on 6/13/12 at 1:08

pswindle - But Romney doesn't have a black man for a Father, that's yogi's rub & he is too yellow to admit it.

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 1:57

pswindle/bfra,

You boys need to go back to school. You keep exposing your citizenship ignorance too much.

bfra, I don't give a damn what race Barack Obama (if that's his name) is. But knowing what he is showing himself to be I sure as hell don't want him in my President's chair.

I'm still curious why you can accept a man for that office when you have no idea who in the hell he is. Are you politically [in line] with him? If you are, I understand your argument. Are you a communist? Are you, perchance, a Muslim? Or are you just plain ignorant on the issues.

By the way, have you read his books? Try it, it may give you a better picture of what kind of liar he is. And maybe you will understand why he was advertised as being born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii in 1991by his literary agent then all of a sudden he change his birthplace to Hawaii in 2007 when he went into politics. Did he not think of getting in politics in 1991? Why did he change his mind in 2007?

You obviously don't know what's going on in DC today.

By: bfra on 6/13/12 at 3:31

Everybody on the board (going by information given & backed with proof) knows what is going on, except yogi, the empty head.

By: dargent7 on 6/13/12 at 3:53

Barack Obama took his step father's name, Sorento and called himself "Barry" to fit in, in Hawaii.
Newt Gingrich took his mother's 2nd husband's name, "Gingrich" over his real name "McPherson".
Willard calls himself "Mitt".
McCain was born in Panama.
Not a peep out of you nutz about any of those examples.
You "Birther's", ie. sociopaths, have no problem with white people changing their names and their daddy's being born in foreign countries, but when a half black/ half white guy does it, it's "usurpation" and "illegal".

By: yogiman on 6/13/12 at 4:22

bfra,

How about referring me to the information you are given that you say is backed with proof. Prove me wrong and I'll admit it. I'd like to know what you actually think is going on.

We're apparently getting our information from different sources.