Up for Debate: Beer Tax Reform Act

Friday, April 5, 2013 at 1:14am

Should legislators pass the Beer Tax Reform Act or not? Why or why not?

114 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 4/5/13 at 4:43

Any legislation which moves us into at least the 20th century would be welcome. However, with legislators firmly in the pockets of special interests and totally unconcerned for their constituents, I have little hope.

Updating the beer tax would be a good idea, since if these businesses expand, they could employ more people, sell more product and actually produce more tax revenue than currently available.

I'm just not sure our elected employees are smart enough to see this.

By: govskeptic on 4/5/13 at 5:40

The hidden tax in beer before it ever arrives at the grocery store was something
else the citizens and voters most likely never knew about until now. Of course,
upon purchase the regular sales tax us added on as well, making our beer
prices the highest in the southeast. Just another of hundreds of examples
where the legislators for many years could care less about the consumers
in our state whether it be a beer purchase, cable bill, insurance companies
having totally free rein on any charges or deletion of benefits where health,
home owners or auto unlike most states that care at least a little.

Now we have an upcoming bill to give the gas companies, which have their
own monopoly county by county, the same freedom without the current
loose regulations by the Regulatory Commission. What a ripoff, again.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/5/13 at 6:29

Ask, I agree. With the growing popularity of microbrewed beer, this would help entrepreneurs start up new businesses or expand the ones that already exist.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/13 at 6:56

I don't drink beer. I don' t knowingly go out with women who drink beer or have a tattoo. I prefer vodka,scotch and wine.

If I were a legislator or a person who gave a damn, I would ask my colleagues. Who benefits from a change in the taxation? What do we tax in lieu of changing the taxation on beer?

Reducing taxes has never been a central theme of federal,state or local government,fiefdom. or Kingdom.

Most legislators would say, I believe in the hereafter and it is the peoples money I am here after.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 7:06

I did not know that Vodka, Scotch and Wine came in a can, Raspy seems to have found it.

By: Kosh III on 4/5/13 at 7:06

Last year the GOP kept yammering about how government regulations were hampering "job creators."

Now let them prove it; pass this bill!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/5/13 at 7:09

Indeed, Kosh!

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/13 at 7:14

NEMO.............I would imagine that it would take a year to list all the things you did not know.

Just in case someone does not enlighten you, vodka, wine and scotch are not to my knowledge sold in cans.

You can wipe this I did not know off your list.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 7:26

So the picture of you holding a can of beer is a joke like you?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 7:28

Raspy old boy, the things we all don't know would fill the Universe. Unlike you and yogi, intelligent people know this.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/13 at 7:31

Nemo, you should pass on the name of that person holding a can of beer. I would bet that just today alone that there will be at least 10,000 pictures made of a man holding a can of beer.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 7:35

Not until you name me old boy.

By: BenDover on 4/5/13 at 7:36

Sounds like a no-brainer... they should pass the bill so that locally produced and sold beer is taxes on par with other states. Open the door to more local micro-brews here in Nashville.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/13 at 7:40

Nemo.......,Somehow the name Nemo and this forum and the word intelligent just do not go together.

Have you ever just one time in your life accepted the fact that you are someone to be seen and not heard.

How many times as a school child had to write off. "I must not talk when when the teacher is talking"

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 7:41

Ben if they were to do that, then it would be the first sensible thing they have done it a very long time.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 7:46

I’m sure the same has been said of you Raspy old, but you just keep flapping your jaw in the breeze. Anyone one that would go about telling the world how rich they are and never giving any evidence, is just a blow hard…and you do that well.

By: bfra on 4/5/13 at 7:48

Raspy - Judging by what has been posted on this forum, Nemo makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything you have ever put on here. Plus, his is truthful and none pretentious.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/13 at 7:51

NEMO.......There are millions of people like you in this country. I know because they voted for Obama. As far as putting a correct name as to who and they are would be an impossibility for me. It would also be a waste of time and effort much like the human waste you appear to be.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/13 at 7:54

Bfra, if you had not posted your 8:48 I would have known you were thinking it.

Remember to always show respect for your betters.

By: Rocket99 on 4/5/13 at 7:58

Hey guys, wine is sold in cans. Have seen it at J. Barleycorns. Can't say I've seen the other stuff though.

Now, speaking to the main topic, this needs to pass so the people in Tennessee can be more competative with the bordering states. Who knows, the next Sam Adams may come out of Tennessee if they make it easier for a start-up to get going in beer production. But, then again, the party in power in this state is not for the start-up, they're for the big business.

By: bfra on 4/5/13 at 7:58

Raspy - Oh I definitely do, you are NOT 1 of them.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:02

Just one more song and dance routine from you Raspy old boy, with out a clue. The internet was a blessing for you. It has able you to hide behind your masquerade of being someone of importance and your constant worry of being caught.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:04

You just don't have to worry about Raspy being your better, bfra. The old boy is far from being that.

By: Loner on 4/5/13 at 8:04

Good morning, Nashville...and TGIF.

Anything that can benefit the beer and/or the wine industry is a good thing, in my most humble and sober of opinions.

They say that Ben Franklin said, “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

But this source claims that's a misquote...here's a snippet:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy” is misattributed to Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). Franklin did write this, in a 1779 letter to André Morellet: “Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.” Franklin loved wine more than he loved beer.

The incorrect Benjamin Franklin beer quotation began appearing on the internet in 1997-1998. "

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/beer_is_proof_that_god_loves_us_and_wants_us_to_be_happy/

One wonders...was Ben Franklin ripped - shit-faced on wine - when he flew his kite in a thunderstorm....or was he enjoying some of General Washington's Medicinal Hemp? Franklin was a character...gotta love his legacy.

By: bfra on 4/5/13 at 8:09

Nemo - I am well aware of that! Raspy gives himself away with his lack of knowledge about what he tries to pretend he knows. He needs to travel & read more.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:09

True Rocket.

I think when what Republicans mean when they say reduce taxes, it mean only to them and big business. Not some up start and low earnings business.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:13

bfra,he is too lazy to read and his travel is limited to who he can bum a ride from. LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:15

Ummmmm beer.

Homer Simpson-

By: Loner on 4/5/13 at 8:18

Since start-ups are usually non-union deals, one would think that the Tea-Baggers would grease the skids for them...maybe they haven't thought it through....they can only process a limited amount of info at any given point in time; they are easily distracted and gullible...don't expect too much out of these inept or corrupt "public servants"....they are working at maximum capacity right now....smell the rubber burning.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:31

Loner, as usual you make a very good point. The Tennessee Legislators have not been a beckon of greatness, but the past few years they have managed to make being dull…bright.

By: Loner on 4/5/13 at 8:45

Thank you, Captain Nemo....the TN Legislature is a gift that keeps on giving....to the late nite comedy shows and comedians everywhere....guns in cars....guns in bars...guns in trunks...guns in bunks. Don't say, "gay"..."gateway body parts"....Intelligent Design...State-minted currency....State Sovereignty....Right-to-fire....all chock-full of comedic material...TN is a comedy writer's pay dirt....gold nuggets everywhere one looks....Eureka!

TN is definitely tied in to the Confederate 4-G Network:

God
Guns
Gays
Guvmint

The Democratic Party in TN needs to pick itself up off the mat...the Baggers have gone too far....seize the middle ground...offer love, not hate....progress, not a return to the days of Charles Dickens....the tipping point may have been reached; give it a shot.

By: budlight on 4/5/13 at 8:46

Now they want to repeal the helmet law for the wack jobs that fly down the interstate at 9 mph on their crotch rockets. They are accidents going someplace to happen.

Please call or email your State Senator and urge them to maintain Tennessee’s motorcycle helmet law, which requires everyone riding a motorcycle to wear a helmet.
The Senate Finance, Ways and Means Committee is set to vote on the repeal on Monday, April 8. Ask your Senator to VOTE NO on Senate Bill 548 which would substantially weaken Tennessee’s motorcycle helmet law.

Most adults realize the importance of protective head gear for riding motor cycles; working in industrial construction or playing such games as football. My husband's life was saved when he fell 22' on to a concrete floor because of wearing a very heavy duty construction head gear. Helmets are necessary in crashes with motor cycles.

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 8:50

Sorry, bfra; but to state dumba$$ (Nemo) knows everything he is posting exposes your own ignorance... superior to his.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 8:57

yogi-
“The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid (you) are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”
― Bertrand Russell, Mortals and Others 1: American Essays 1931-35

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 8:57

budlight,

Where in the Constitution does it give congress the parental authority of "we the citizens" to order us to wear seat belts and helmets... not to name other personal facts.

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 9:00

I believe the Democrat Party has shown another one of their idiots on internet.

www.teaparty.org/anti-gun-democrat-makes-bullet-gaffe-22475/

Don't laugh too hard.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 9:01

That is the key bud, “Most Adults”, which seem to have departed from the GOP ranks.

By: Loner on 4/5/13 at 9:38

Helmets? Let those who ride decide.

The laws of physics do not need lawmakers or cops in order to be enacted or enforced....obey the laws of physics when riding...and when driving.

I will wear a helmet, regardless of the laws of man....I'm too old to be intimidated by taunts of "Chicken?", issued by those who wish to ride with their heads bare naked....I do not preach safety to them....that's not my job....in NY, helmets are required...not so in PA...the border area has a mix of legal and illegal riders....that's the area that I camp out in during my Summer retreat....the Wild West of the Empire State...on the border....in many ways.

By: BenDover on 4/5/13 at 9:41

Ask Gary Busey about helmet laws...

I'm with loner... let the rider decide... same with seat belts.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/5/13 at 9:45

Cull the herd - hurrah for the Darwin Awards!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/5/13 at 9:46

One day on I65 during rush hour I saw an idiot on a crotch rocket TEXTING! But hey, at least he was wearing a helmet......LOL

By: Loner on 4/5/13 at 9:57

Bn...if he was texting while riding a motorcycle, I assume that he was not wearing gloves...gloves are not optional, IMO....was this motorized texter wearing flip flops?

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 10:26

Loner,

I don't know how it is in NY but if you get in your car and start your engine before you fasten your seat belt, you can get a ticket. I see that as masters in control over their subjects.

So the question then? Who is profiting from those laws? How about insurance companies "donating" to campaigns?

When I was on the old Quarterly County Court back in the 70s I only voted for the people that put me in that office. I never voted for the benefit of a company unless it was for a benefit of the citizens.

I guess I was different.

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 10:38

BenDover,

If you remember; seat belts were "for your convenience" when the "belly belt" was first bolted to a car. Then a few months later they put the shoulder strap in but it wasn't 'sewed' to the 'belly belt'. Then they came out with the "requirement" to wear the seat belt... but if you was just going down the street you didn't have to lock it.

As congress decides how to make you obey, they went by the "little bit at a time" procedure and now you had better damn well buckle it up.

If you've noticed, the (what used to be news) 'news' casts always let's you know if someone wasn't wearing a seat belt in an accident. That's like saying if they had their belt locked they wouldn't have been hurt. So what happens when that belt "locks"? You had better have a damn good knife to cut yourself loose because, unless they have advanced it, when that belt locks, it won't unlock.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 10:42

Blanket says cull the heard. I agree, but the problem it that it will end up for the taxpayer foot the bill, for the survivors.

How many people died in Tennessee from not wearing a seat belt?

AAccording to the NHTSA in 2010, 54.4% of people killed in automobile accidents in Tennessee were not wearing a seat belt, which is 7.9% higher than the average for all Traffic Deaths by State.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – With only days left in 2012, the number of fatalities on Tennessee roadways has reached a grim milestone.

On Thursday, Tennessee Department of Transportation SmartWay boards showed that 1,000 people had died in crashes in the state so far this year. Last year, that number only reached 937, which was the lowest number of roadway fatalities in Tennessee since the 1960s.

In 2011, 372 people who died were not wearing their seatbelts. That number jumped to 407 in 2012 where the drivers weren't wearing their seatbelts.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/20439200/1000-killed-on-tennessee-roadways-in-2012

Officials credited crack downs on drunk driving, increased seat belt use, and educational programs in schools for the low number of deaths last year.

By: Jughead on 4/5/13 at 10:44

Balls.

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 10:52

I see where Barry is headed for a court he doesn't want to attend. Do any of you remember Judge Roy Moore of Alabama; the man that was "fired" because he wouldn't remove the Ten Commandments monument from his office building as ordered?

Well, the citizens of Alabama have elected him as the Superior Judge on their Supreme Court and a case on Barry's eligibility has reached the Supreme Court concerning Barry's legal status. It should be interesting. I don't believe Judge Moore would be a man who would [step down] and not hear the evidence.

www.wnd.com/2013/03/obama-in-roy-moores-court/

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/13 at 11:03

The numbers are in: Fatal traffic accidents up in 2012 for Tennessee

However, while overall roadway safety may be improving, Tennessee bucked the nationwide trend in 2012. When comparing to 2011's numbers, Tennessee traffic deaths spiked by more than 7 percent in 2012. What's more, in the early days of 2013, this troubling trend appears to be continuing into the New Year.

Trend continues in early days of 2013
As of January 11, there have been 22 deaths reported on Tennessee roads in the New Year. Last year, there were 22 deaths during the entire month of January; with nearly three weeks left of reporting left, the first month of 2013 is set to continue the deadly trend that plagued Tennessee highways in 2012.

By: Jughead on 4/5/13 at 11:07

I love the morbid "death count" electronic signs on the freeways. TDOT has turned it into a cool game--predict-a-death. My wife always beats me on the next month's coffin prediction.

By: bfra on 4/5/13 at 11:07

By: yogiman on 4/5/13 at 11:52
I see where Barry is headed for a court he doesn't want to attend. Do any of you remember Judge Roy Moore of Alabama; the man that was "fired" because he wouldn't remove the Ten Commandments monument from his office building as ordered?

Well, the citizens of Alabama have elected him as the Superior Judge on their Supreme Court and a case on Barry's eligibility has reached the Supreme Court concerning Barry's legal status. It should be interesting. I don't believe Judge Moore would be a man who would [step down] and not hear the evidence
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