Up for Debate: 'Black Friday'

Monday, November 26, 2012 at 1:31am

Whether it's the day that pulls retail businesses out of the red or the day their employees loathe as a scourge or both, why do we have Black Friday? For the good it does some bottom lines, does it do more harm in pushing us to spend — or shop — beyond what's good for us? Or is it just another part of Capitalism?

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By: Rasputin72 on 11/26/12 at 2:18

Black Friday is successful because so many people in this country are either part of the 47% or struggling to keep from being a part of the 47%. Black Friday represents a chance to buy things at prices that more closely resembles their income.

By: puddycat on 11/26/12 at 3:26

3 days after, who cares, it's over and forgotten

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 5:10

God morning, Nashville.

Q: why do we have Black Friday?

A: Thanksgiving always falls on a Thursday, Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving; it is called that because retailers usually operate in the black on that day....it is a high profit day in the USA.

Q: For the good it does some bottom lines, does it do more harm in pushing us to spend — or shop — beyond what's good for us?

A: Probably; but we are encouraged by ads to spend foolishly every day of the year.

Q: Or is it (Black Friday) just another part of Capitalism?

A: It is certainly a factor in American capitalism.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/26/12 at 5:12

A Big Rat speaks first. Let the Rats eat.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 5:13

Starting out with a typo...."God morning" s/h/b "good morning"....a Bible Belt Freudian slip?

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 5:16

I did not know that the public library's PCs were available to the homeless at 2:18 AM on an early Monday morning....Nashville certainly is a progressive community.

By: Ask01 on 11/26/12 at 5:32

We didn't even leave the house on Black Friday.

Good deals or not, our family has decided not to go overboard this year. In fact, we have followed the same philosophy for several years, starting after I found myself laid off, and realizing one could not depend on American businesses for employment security.

Besides, all the "goodies" offered on Black Friday will be available for a pittance as technology improves and mass production coupled with over runs drives down prices.

Not to mention all the returns and repossesions having to be sold as used will offer the patient shopper even better deals.

In the end, Black Friday is nothing more than a fabricated event designed to draw consumers into the stores in hopes having purchased a heavily discounted item, the patron will spend more on regularly priced merchandise, driving up profits.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 5:36

We've all seen the images....wild-eyed shoppers in a buying frenzy...human stampedes...fist-fights over a pair of $150 signature sneakers...and so on. That's Black Friday.

We can thank Jesus of Nazareth for the economic shot in the arm...he came to save the Jewish race...he ended up saving the capitalist economies....without Christmas, retailers would be in deep doo-doo.....they should put the face of Jesus on the dollar bill....he is doing more for the economy than George Washington ever did.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 5:51

As long as I'm redesigning US currency, to reflect our belief system; we could put the image of the Gospel writers on our coins: Matthew on the penny, Mark on the nickle, Luke on the dime and John on the quarter.

Jesus would be on the dollar bill....Peter on the fiver....Paul on the ten-spot, Doubting Thomas on the twenty-dollar bill and Emperor Constantine, the first Christian Roman emperor, on the hundred-dollar bill. Abraham would be on the thousand-dollar bill.

We could literally rob Peter to pay Paul.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 6:50

Rasp quickly linked Black Friday with the 47% thing...the class warfare rant that we have come to know him by...very predictable...surely, Yogi will link Black Friday to Barry Soetero, the Usurper-In-Chief.....and Budlight will come online to agree with those two.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 6:57

My other BINGO card this morning:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-took-steps-to-stifle-palestinian-statehood-bid/article5655676/?cmpid=rss1

In case of boredom, join the discussion.

By: dargent7 on 11/26/12 at 7:26

Buenos Dias Nashville.
What I don't "get" is these a-holes have A JOB.
They get time and a half for this Black Friday...probably close to $15.00 an hou, for brain-dead retail.
They bitch, moan, and complain?
Yhey really want to be around their relatives ALL DAY?
What a great excuse to get the hell away!
Screw the pickets, strikes.
FIRE them who won't work.
We've got strikers here in San Jose' who want triple time on Holidays.
Full pensions after stocking cans and produce.
Walmart employees want $15.00 an hour to stand around and gain weight.
Ever ask a Walmart employee anything? Zoo animals are more emgaged.

By: bfra on 11/26/12 at 7:31

d7 -Most Walmart employees can't answer you, because the don't speak or understand English. A customer is lucky if they can even find an employee, out in the store. Thus the reason I quit shopping Walmart, a long time ago.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 7:34

And a good day to you too, Dargent7...notice how he's picking up a Spanish accent already...he's assimilating...or is that ass-simulating? I certainly have ass-simulated into the Nashville community...online that is.

Love the candor of Darge's posts...he's our West Coast correspondent.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 7:43

Good morning, all. I've never understood the whole Black Friday frenzy. I hate to shop anyway so there's no way I'm going to insert myself into that hot mess.

By: bfra on 11/26/12 at 7:46

Blanket - I'll second that! I usually know what I want & where to get it before leaving home. I hate shopping.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 7:53

I do my shopping online or during off hours. I hate the commercialism that is so much part of the holidays anymore.

By: BigPapa on 11/26/12 at 8:20

Xmas has become a grotesque "holiday". Im no christian but if I were I'd either be ashamed or run away from it as far as possible.

By: budlight on 11/26/12 at 8:23

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By: bfra on 11/26/12 at 7:31
d7 -Most Walmart employees can't answer you, because the don't speak or understand English. A customer is lucky if they can even find an employee, out in the store. Thus the reason I quit shopping Walmart, a long time ago.

We finally agree on something bfra; I have not shopped at Walmart for over 8 years.

Ironically Star Bucks was open Thanksgiving Day, as was Target and others. Gee, no picket lines or protests from their employees. I agree - fire the ones who don't want to report for work. It's RETAIL stupid. Get a job that's not in retail and maybe you won't have to work on holidays.

Oops! Firemen have to work; police have to work; doctors, nurses and hospital staff have to work; phone and computer employees have to work and so do many others.

D7, hit the nail on the head - fire them. And by the way, I like zoo animals better than Walmart employees. At Hamilton Church Walmart my friend slipped and fell. The animals that shop there were applauding and 2 employees did also. They were caught on tape laughing at her. Walmart would not pay for a medical exam for her injuries; said she had to sue them.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 8:32

BigPapa, I have to agree with you on that.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 8:39

Moonglow1: Gutless, spineless, greedy multinationals expect the consumer to make their CEOs rich! Do not buy...stay away from Walmart. When you buy, support local small businesses to the extent possible.

Multinationals hock lousy Chinese products, view most Americans with disdain, supported Romney, avoid compliance with govt regulations, avoid paying taxes, pay American workers substandard wages but their CEOs millions, and have no allegiance to the USA yet expect middle class Americans to maximize their profits.

No way!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 8:45

Well said, Moonglow.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 8:49

Moonglow1: LOL-"rob Peter to pay Paul. " Jesus as a capitalist.

Regarding the Walmart employees. I never shop there ever. So by staying away it automatically signals to both the fat lazy employees and their equally lazy protected owners: no money, no profits, corporate bankruptcy, employees find another job. Owners - start a real business if you have the intelligence to do so rather than a business model that hocks Chinese products in a large warehouse setting.

By: parnell3rd on 11/26/12 at 8:50

Thanks to everyone who voted for Obama, it was another record green friday for the business I work for! And the State of Tennessee made thousands of dollars in fee's and taxes. If you don't like capitalism, then you can't have fire and police forces. Ironic isn't it? Even though I do not like our President I'll have a great Christmas Bonus. Only in America! GOD bless America!

By: parnell3rd on 11/26/12 at 8:51

And thank GOD for the American's who fought in our second war of Independance 200 years ago!

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 8:51

Moonglow1: Thanks Blanket...

By: parnell3rd on 11/26/12 at 8:52

What bill would you put Judas on?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 8:56

Moonglow, these days I believe that how you choose to spend your money determines more than your vote does.

By: dargent7 on 11/26/12 at 9:03

Interesting to note:
I live in Los Gatos (Two Cats)...a suburb of San Jose'
This place is 100% WHITE.
Haven't seen a "brother" in 5 weeks.
Everyone bikes, runs, jogs.
Has a stroller and a dog, usually two.
All the shops have a water dish placed out for the dogs.
Not one homeless person.
Very much like Sylvan Park, as far as the racial make-up.
In my 6 years there, not one black family. Or Jews. Or Asians. Or Latino.
I guess those, "Whites Only" signs work.
.....your correspondent on the West coast.

By: dargent7 on 11/26/12 at 9:06

Titans lost...the 49ers won.
This Kaepernick QB is something.

By: BenDover on 11/26/12 at 9:06

Might I recommend Amazon Prime for your Christmas shopping needs.

Click, click... free 2nd day shipping... sales / use taxes only for the most honest of shoppers.

No need for a Taser to defend ones self or the fear of dieing in a frothing stampede of marketing-addled sidewalk squatters.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 9:09

Moonglow1: Blanket, agree!! I try very hard to support local and not purchase any product made in China to the extent possible. I believe money is one way to get the attention of these companies. Just don't buy from them.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 9:11

Moonglow1: Consumers have clout and should use it.

By: govskeptic on 11/26/12 at 9:11

I think the Thanksgiving Holiday should be just that for most employees across the
country, with exception to those that have jobs absolute requiring 24/7 365 days a
year. What little protest there were was by mainly non-employees that have a totally
different agenda. For the rich Wal-Mart snobs, get over it and let those that want
to save a few bucks buck with their substandard pay buy from a non-union retailer.

Attempts at comparing working at a local big box store to a factory in Bangladesh
is attempted by many, but falls on deaf ears to most. Certainly were unbelievable
TV prices this shopping season, 55 inch LED for what I paid for 42" LCD 2 yrs ago.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 9:15

Moonglow1: Darge, I've lived in California (San Diego) and it was as you say. People were into healthy lifestyles. Our community was all white also. The weather was great-no tornadoes, but earthquake worries. I heard East TN had an earthquake a few days ago.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 9:28

By: parnell3rd on 11/26/12 at 8:52

What bill would you put Judas on?

Treasury bills.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 9:28

Ben, I agree - Amazon is awesome. Did some shopping there last week.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 9:30

Moonglow, the problem is that most of the people who buy from Walmart are the uneducated who do not understand the dynamics - they just shop wherever they perceive is the cheapest since they have little money to spend.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 9:30

Very similar to those who vote against their own best interest.

By: budlight on 11/26/12 at 9:31

dargent7 on 11/26/12 at 9:03
Interesting to note:
I live in Los Gatos (Two Cats)...a suburb of San Jose'
This place is 100% WHITE.
Haven't seen a "brother" in 5 weeks.
Everyone bikes, runs, jogs.
Has a stroller and a dog, usually two.
All the shops have a water dish placed out for the dogs.
Not one homeless person.
Very much like Sylvan Park, as far as the racial make-up.
In my 6 years there, not one black family. Or Jews. Or Asians. Or Latino.
I guess those, "Whites Only" signs work.
.....your correspondent on the West coast.

Gee, D7, if I didn't know better I'd think this was a racist post. But since I know you are the king of diversity, I won't say that.

Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 9:09
Moonglow1: Blanket, agree!! I try very hard to support local and not purchase any product made in China to the extent possible. I believe money is one way to get the attention of these companies. Just don't buy from them.

Moonglow, all the little local mom and pop stores are people from other countries like India, China, South America, so either way you're supporting other countries. And some of those shop owners and workers are not legal.

It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

Big fire at factory in India this passed week killed 112 and still counting! There are no government inspectors or regulatiions in these sweat factories and yet Americans still gulp up their products like thirsty dogs.

Speaking of dogs - a pit bull fighting ring in Ashland City was busted up. Many abused and sad pit bulls need foster care. Sad. And Michael Vicks name was not mentioned.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/26/12 at 9:49

Moonglow1: Bud, I see your point about the mom & pop stores. I was thinking more about some local clothing stores that primarily source from the USA and also farmers markets and local restaurants. But I do know some "specialty" shops that are local but source from India and other third world countries.

By: brrrrk on 11/26/12 at 10:06

Loner said

"I did not know that the public library's PCs were available to the homeless at 2:18 AM on an early Monday morning....Nashville certainly is a progressive community."

Under the bridge kiosk?

By: dargent7 on 11/26/12 at 10:08

Bud: No racism implied.
I think living 6 years in Sylvan Park allows one to see and experience the racial make-up.
And Los Gatos ( the Cats...I misspoke before. Named for the cougars who live in the Santa Cruz Mts.foothills) is "whiter" than Birmingham, Mich. where I grew up.
Moonglow: I lived in Del Mar, Solana Beach, Cardiff, Encinitas, and Carlsbad for 10 years...
San Diego was my #1 choice but didn't know anyone there.
San Jose' had 1 friend.
6 one, half a dozen the other.

By: brrrrk on 11/26/12 at 10:21

BigPapa said

"Xmas has become a grotesque 'holiday'. Im no christian but if I were I'd either be ashamed or run away from it as far as possible."

Actually, if you consider all the American traditions we have surrounding Christmas, it's hardly a "Christian" holiday. Christmas is a perversion of the original gifts of the Magi. Even the date was adopted from previous pagan holy days. And let us not forget that it was the Puritans (those righteous god fearing Christian folk who everyone points to as a standard) who outlawed the celebration of Christmas. No... there's not much Christ in Christmas (except for the many church celebrations that occur on the 24th and 25th)... and if we should thank anyone for the Christmas that we celebrate, it's Charles Dickens.

By: BigPapa on 11/26/12 at 10:38

Yeah I know the whole history of christmas, that the early christians just adopted the roman holiday of mithra celebrating the solstice. our modern christmas didnt really come into being until the victorians, prior to that christmas was a lot more like the way we celebrate NYE or mardi gras.

but, It's still grotesque. seeing people camping out so they can buy a tv, or bum rushing a store to get a lap top.. it just seems to bring out the worst in people and all for the most trivial of things.

By: Loner on 11/26/12 at 10:40

As a retired Rural Letter Carrier, I can tell you that Christmas is good for the USPS...tough on the carriers, however....the volumes get heavy...it gets dark early around Christmas and the roads are apt to be crappy...getting stuck while peddling the Mail is not uncommon...lots of dismounts, to deliver parcels....tis the season for dog bites....lots of red or green enveloped first class cards...last-minute Express Mail deliveries....a thank you note from some of the postal patrons....complaints from the others....a mailman's work is never done.

By: brrrrk on 11/26/12 at 11:31

BigPapa said

"but, It's still grotesque. seeing people camping out so they can buy a tv, or bum rushing a store to get a lap top.. it just seems to bring out the worst in people and all for the most trivial of things."

That's why I say there's not much Christ in Christmas.... WWJB?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 12:31

WWJB? Healthcare vouchers for the poor?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/26/12 at 1:10

So early in the morning p3 comes on with his little hate snippets. I suppose this means he knows all he will receive at Christmas is a lump of coal.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/26/12 at 1:25

Nemo, he's just expressing his case of Republican butthurt. It still hurts, apparently.