Up for Debate: BRT pitch

Monday, July 23, 2012 at 12:24am

What do you think so far about the pitch for bus rapid transit in Nashville? How should Metro raise local funding for the project? Would you be willing to pay more in taxes for BRT or better transit?

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By: Ask01 on 7/23/12 at 3:42

I would love to see Nashville install a more comprehensive, expanded mass transit system.

I will admit up front I am spoiled, having lived in cities and districts with much superior systems. On the flip side, I have lived in places with no, or mediocre at best mass transit.

My one problem with this project is the part of the story declaring the aim to make this Mayor Dean's last ribbon cutting before leaving office. That devalues this project to the point of being nothing more than resume padding for our excuse for a city leader.

I have what I believe is a reasonable fear Mayor Dean, with the help of the largely puppet Metro Council, will arrange to fund the project in a way which will provide an excuse for future tax increases. Witness the acceptance of federal funds for the police department which required the city take over funding or be forced to repay the monies.

Another tactic I would not put past our High Lord Mayor would be to engineer some funding scheme further endangering our municipal credit rating.

The bottom line is I support the idea of improved mass transit, but am wary of what passes for city leadership and their true motives.

By: tomba1 on 7/23/12 at 3:43

Question 1 ? What do I think? First bike lanes with countless tacky directional logos since bikers don't know which direction to take; now dedicated bus lanes; so where does this mayor get stopped? He, his staff, and the council have already mortgaged future administrations and generations of future taxpayers into overwhelming debt! Mr Mayor et all - your account is overdrawn and your overdraft fees are way past due!

Question 2 ? Local funding? Let the users pay for it and leave the rest of us in the USD and GSD alone, for once.

Question 3 ? More taxes? Well, by all means we should all pay for another teat on the hog and we'll all snuggle up ! After all, somebody says we're entitled! Wrong!

By: dargent7 on 7/23/12 at 4:47

Had a chance to run, well walk mostly, in the Triathlon yesterday. Started at LP Field.
Walked past the New Music City Center and Omni Hotel underconstruction.
Thought I was in Dallas. The site is HUGE. Cannot envision how the puny roads will be able to accomodate all the new traffic.
Nashville will need to do something to get people from the airport to downtown.
A rail like Disney World has getting people around is a good idea.
And an artery from West Nasville to dtw.
No, a great idea.

By: yogiman on 7/23/12 at 5:13

There's pros and cons about mass transit. It's great if it's getting you directly to where you're going, but not worth it if you have to get off and walk in the rain blocks to where you're going and no one today like to stand and wait for the transportation... especially in the rain.

I believe in today's time, most people prefer to drive directly to their destination. It's much faster.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 5:22

Except, yogi, we're talking about downtown. You've obviously never experienced trying to get a parking spot downtown. Hint: you have to walk a long way.

Nashville needs rapid transit, if it is thought out correctly and makes sense. If they're going to continually build condos and convention centers downtown, they'll need to update the infrastructure.

The story about this, specifically, makes it seem that there will be considerable contruction, if the buses will occupy the center median lane. Is Nashville prepared for it?

By: Rasputin72 on 7/23/12 at 5:52

I think a mass transit system of any type would be welcomed providing that the working class and the underclass will use the system. My guess is that there will be only a minimal increase in public transportation use if it were available tomorrow.

If Karl Dean can convince the public and the council that gasoline will be in the 7 to 9 dollar a gallon range in the next five years this is the time to start building.

Right now used cars in the 15 year old range are abundant and cheap. Many of these cars get around the Davidson county inspection.

Also I think the politicos do not understand that the United States is broke as we see many cities in bankruptcy already. Debt for Davidson county and the huge underclass population has already brought taxation to a ridiculous high.

If Karl Dean can somehow convince the surrounding counties to help with the RTD cost then perhaps it would be a very seriously considered project.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 6:04

Rasp, you do realize that this particular project is intended for the people that live along the corridor...and the point is to reduce the number of cars downtown.

Read the article.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/23/12 at 6:21

gdiafante....I read the article and I made my comments based on the article. You read my comments and made your statement based on what you read. Is there a difference?

On second thought, don't answer that I understand perfectly well where you stand on almost every subject that requires far reaching thought.

By: dargent7 on 7/23/12 at 6:32

Guys: Visit downtown Nashville lately.
Once that Convention Center is complete and has 1,500-5,000 seat functions, where will all the cars Park? In the Parking Garage, but how will they get there?
Only by Broadway and off ramps of the Interstates. Four to two lane Interstates as you approach dtw.
All these Conventioneers flying into Nashville Int'l and then converge on dtw.
As far as standing in the rain, the artist renderings have covered stations all along the routes. Think DisneyWorld.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 6:39

If all goes as planned, Nashvillians one day will be able to make their way to permanent wait stations — described as “iconic” in design — along the heavily trafficked corridor, which is home to 25,000 residents and 170,000 jobs.

Darge, people coming in for conventions usually fly, though I imagine there would be some incoming vehicles. But, again, I think this is designed mainly for those living along the corridor. Those people are more likely to give up driving for the transit.

But I agree, something needs to be done about the downtown interstate loop...it's fine for Nashville circa 1979, but not 2012.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 7:17

Well written and informative, Mr. Garrison. That opening paragraph had the scent of bias all over it but the article itself was really good.

By: bfra on 7/23/12 at 7:24

Breaking news: NCAA hits Penn State football with $60 million fine, vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011.

By: budlight on 7/23/12 at 7:27

By: budlight on 7/23/12 at 8:20
"If all goes as planned, Nashvillians one day will be able to make their way to permanent wait stations — described as “iconic” in design — along the heavily trafficked corridor, which is home to 25,000 residents and 170,000 jobs. From there, they will take out smart cards to pay to ride buses that resemble streetcars minus rail underneath: Wide doors open from both sides of the vehicles; passengers enjoy level boarding from the sidewalk; and ample room inside the buses allow passengers to store their bikes."

Well, I say that if the 25,000 residents and 170,000 jobs need the rapid transit, let them pay for it. Because if we are spending this money just to benefit them, then I'm not for it. And I hope my councilman would not be for it either.

Dean has a lot of gall! He just wants his name autographed on another big spending item for the taxpayers of Davidson County to have to pay for -- one way or the other.

And asking surrounding counties to help pay for it! What a laugh. They don't like Dean either.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 7:30

Big free parking lots where the Old Projects are on the East Nashville side and somewhere near I440 on the West side, both with improved interstate access, would make it work really well and help accomplish the projects goals, I think.

The lanes should be designed so our regular buses can run in them as well so that when there's a big event they can double or even triple the density of traffic in these lanes. That way more people can enjoy the down-town experience without the hassles of traffic and parking.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 7:35

That's the attitude, bud...to hell with everyone else, it's all about me.

By: budlight on 7/23/12 at 7:36

Well, there goes the Penn State athletic program. Wonder if they will take away their Tennis wins also.

It's a shame that no one reported all of this immediately when they originally suspected it. In our modern day and time (for at least the last 20 years), reports of this type of sexual misconduct has been rampant. Every parent on the planet needs to figure out how to monitor their children better and establish a relationship so that their children will tell them immediately if any adult - no matter who it is - becomes sexually inappropriate with them.

And now we have a wacked up nut case who everyone says seemed "normal" killing 12 people and wounding over 50 in a movie theatre. Can someone tell me an answer to the following: Why did Obama go to Colorado to "visit" when he did not go to Fort Hood and visit the families of the military people killed by a muslim doctor? Seems awfully strange to me, unless you factor in the publicity due to it being an election year. Oops! Must have hit that nail on the head. He is shameless!

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 7:39

It's an election year, Bud. You can't be that naive...nevermind.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 7:49

I think they should pay for my new rapid transit system to the West End area out of the the general fund. "Many hands make light work" lol

That area is party-central around happy hour and parking sucks.

By: govskeptic on 7/23/12 at 7:50

Living one block off West End Ave makes me think car traffic will be
worse off with designated Rapid Bus Service using the same route.
Metro "hopes" to get 50% federal funding which won't be easy, and
rest assured if additional property is acquired along this route it's
going to be super-super expensive! Is Metro willing to do this if
there is no federal funding or a much lower percentage?

By: dargent7 on 7/23/12 at 7:51

All Penn State did so far is remove Paterno's statue.
The other NCAA sanctions are coming down soon.
Fines, no Bowl games, shutting down the entire program (which won't happen).
Ohio State got caught in a fiasco but it was the players accepting and selling stuff..
At Penn State, it was the coaches and top administration officials, not the players.

By: dargent7 on 7/23/12 at 7:56

Shameless? If you'd just listen to Obama for 30 seconds, you'd realize his heart is in the right place concerning CO.
The psychiatric Dr. was at a military instalation with MP's and military personnel all around. No civilians.
A civilian movie theater showing a Hollywood movie is quite a different environment with differenct implications for America.
eg., there's many instances where a Afghan or Iraqi soldier kills his American counterparts.
Far different from a Cineplex showing "Batman"

By: budlight on 7/23/12 at 7:57

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 8:39
It's an election year, Bud. You can't be that naive...nevermind.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know it's an election year. But, IF he was the "commander in chief" and his men and women were shot down by a muslim (so-called) doctor, he should have gone to Fort Hood.

Anyway, back to the subject: Rapid transit: I agree with govskeptic at 8:50 about the "super-super expensive" part. And it appears it will only benefit a select bunch of people, so they should pay for it.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 8:09

The comparison to the Ft. Hood incident is interesting. Obama's first response to that was that we should not jump to any conclusions. No such statements here.

Does that reveal anything about Obama's mind-set? Was his first thought in the Ft Hood case that some crazy jihadist was undermining his campaign to get America to accept Islam as the religion of peace? Was it a sign of relief to him that this Aurora guy turned out to not be a crazy Jihadist but, instead, a Hollywood violence inspired nut-job? Does it reveal something that's important to Obama?

I don't think the distinctions in Obama's reactions should be dismissed.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 8:14

I think the difference is the election year, Ben. But feel free to propose more conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 8:24

There's nothing conspiratorial about Obama trying to down-play the Muslim aspect of Ft. Hood. It does seem to reveal something that's important to him though.

It's pretty clear the left is more afraid of red-necks than they are of jihadists... it's just a different world view. I believe it to be substantially unfounded in today's America but given Obama's history and that of many of his mentors who came out of the civil rights movement I can sure understand it.

We are a society that teaches tolerance as life's only virtue any more though; yet I don't see things so monochromatically.

By: bfra on 7/23/12 at 8:24

It's amazing how the likes of yogi, Ben & bud can read Obama's mind about something, whether he is thinking it or not.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 8:28

I didn't read his mind, I listened to what he said.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 8:30

Mayor Dean & associates knows whats best for you Bots... don't complain.. get on the Dean train.
I'm sure the financing for the new baseball stadium will not be hindered by: Project 8 mile.
I was really impressed with being able to carry one's bike onboard the bus. Please give the guy that came up with that idea, a raise Mayor.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 8:31

Actually, I'm more afraid of nutjobs who apparently can easily obtain weapons and hundreds of rounds without running up a red flag, which is what Ft. Hood and Aurora are really about.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 8:39

Then why didn't Obama tell us not to jump to any conclusions about the white American guy the way he did the crazy Muslim?

Someday one of the nuts is going to have a stash of Beck or Limbaugh or O'Reilly books on his bedside table and you guys are going to scream from the high heavens about shutting up "right-wing hate".

Where was Obama's caution against that possibility?

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 8:44

I don't know Ben. Maybe you should request a visit with him and you can bring up all your conspiracy notes with him. Being the President is a stressful job, I'm sure he needs a good laugh.

And honestly, if you can't understand the complexity of an issue where there's a known Muslim with possible terrorist ties involved in a massacre, you're not as smart as you think you are.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 8:46

Unfortunately, there's no way to live in a free society and prevent these horrible events.

By: dargent7 on 7/23/12 at 8:53

Slack: Yes we can. We can start by NOT allowing sales of guns and ammo over the Internet. This Holmes guy bought 6,000 rounds and the AR 15 over the internet.
Bass Pro Shops sold him the 2 Glocks.
Another pawn shop sold him the Remington.
We can cross-reference for outstanding warrants by Police, checking accounts that are bad, credit scores, DIU's, back child support...we can certainly have a data base for guns sold and how many and to, whom.
re: Second Amendment. 32 round extended magazines and assault rifles are "protected"?
Ha! Ok, you NRA gun nutz, where are ya'?

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 8:55

It's not a conspiracy but it does seem to reveal something that's important to him. Kind-of that liberal perceived under-dog mentality maybe. From, "The police acted STUPIDLY", in the Henry Gates situation to the "Don't jump to conclusions", caution; his knee tends to jerk with a particular kind of stimulus.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 8:57


Sh!t happens.

It's perfectly normal for any citizen to purchase an automatic weapon, multiple magazines and hundreds of rounds...they just want to do their part in controlling the deer population...and those pesky deers are tough to bring down...sometimes you need 500 rounds.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 8:58

Geezzz... looks like they hounded out Murdoch. Questioning liberal orthodoxy can be costly.

By: BenDover on 7/23/12 at 9:02

My brother had an AR-15 back when I was in high-school . That thing rocked. Loved going to the range with that one. Expensive though. Another buddy of mine had a Ruger Mini-14. It was a ton of fun to shoot too.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 9:05

We're a knee-jerk society, Ben.

Regarding Colorado, it was apparent early on that it wasn't international terrorism, though I fully expect Jihadists to dress as The Joker in the future.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 9:08

And by the way, because I know this crowd and where this is going, I'm not for repealing the 2nd amendment. But, as darge said, it has to be harder for people to get guns and ammo on this scale. This is ridiculous.

By: yogiman on 7/23/12 at 9:11

Well said, budlight.

My parents taught me and my siblings about the facts of life and we could go to them any time we had a problem. I followed their advice and raised my children the same way.

In concern of the Aurora incident consider this with politics being politics, Hillary Clinton is in NY with the UN on their proposed firearms regulations. Much has been determined on the CO shooting and considering communism in history, could it have been a planed incident? The communist party will do anything to gain control. Obama will sign that treaty on the 27th if it goes through.

And what do you think about Friday when Obama marked the start of the Muslin holy month as a "time to cherish family, friend and neighbors and to help those in need". Is that why he's so willing to take the illegal aliens in to "help" them? I thought it was just to get their vote.

He said he and the first lady extended their warmest wishes to Muslim Americans and Muslims around the world.

He's going to host an iftar dinner at the White House which is the traditional evening meal observed during Ramadan.

He has not recognized the Christian faiths since he went in office.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 9:12

This particular nut planned this carefully, and stockpiled the weapons & ammo, over a period of time. From what I read, he bought it all legally. The US is a 150 years too late on gun control, the country is saturated with millions of them.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 9:18

Right, and if we had some sort of system in place that could track certain purchases over a period of time, maybe the authorities could have prevented it. I don't accept that we should just shrug our shoulders on this.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 9:20

You can blame violent movies, video games, etc. as being catalysts for these whack-jobs, but a nut is gonna be a nut.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 9:22

Mental illness is the catalyst.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 9:22

Yeah.. get the govt. employees that monitored ''Fast and Furious'' on this.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 9:24

no..no gdiafante the catalyst is Christian Bale.

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 9:28

American Psycho

By: gdiafante on 7/23/12 at 9:34

Ironic, with a name like that...

By: slacker on 7/23/12 at 9:59

Exactly.. his name should be Heils Bale.

By: producer2 on 7/23/12 at 10:43

The bigger picture on just about everything in life passes many of you by without leaving any impression. It's sad really.