Up for Debate: Claim of 'legitimate rape'

Monday, August 20, 2012 at 12:10am

U.S. Rep. Todd Akin later said he misspoke when he said "legitimate rape" rarely resulted in pregnancy. What's your reaction to his comments and his explanation of his words?

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By: Ask01 on 8/19/12 at 10:33

This has to be one of the most ignorant utterances ever to escape the lips of a politician.

Were this the expressed opinion of some mentally deficient person, no one would have taken a second glance, and the news value would be nil, but when the speaker is a supposedly educated person, and, most importantly, a United States Representative, one has to wonder about the motivation and thought processes in play to express such an obviously erroneous statement.

While Representative Akin obviously opposes abortion for any reason, (a position I acknowledge but disagree with,) I am disappointed he would resort to such disinformation to support his view instead of just speaking his mind.

The people who elected Rep Akin should be shaking their heads in wonder and re-evaluating their past decisions and future options.

To be blunt, what a complete doofus.

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 4:32

Well, Ask01,

He has to be an ignorant politician to make such a statement. And he has to have a lot of ignorant voters for him to gain office. By the simple definition of rape, how can a rape be considered as a legitimate rape?

But then, considering the mentality of the politicians we have today makes it easier to accept such a romantic remark.

By: Ummm... on 8/20/12 at 4:35

A Teapublican said what? (Feigning surprise...)

By: dargent7 on 8/20/12 at 4:41

Every "Todd" I've ever known in life has been a dork.
This guy just ups the ante.

By: dargent7 on 8/20/12 at 4:50

On second thought, it's similar to the Arab men who kill their daughters calling it an "honor killing".

By: budlight on 8/20/12 at 6:05

I agree that in the politically correct climate we are in that he should tender his words carefully.

Having said that, there are cases wherein a person has been accused of rape falsely so once that is proven, that would have not been a legitimate rape case.

I do recall reading a report that stated something about a very low percentage of incest and rape resulting in the need for abortion, ie, the raped person does not always get pregnant. I'm going to search for that report and see if it is still a statistic. There are people who have been conceived from a rape and gone on to live an awesome life - Ms. Oklahoma is one example. Michael Delgornia knows her.

Let's just stop killing babies all together please. They deserve to live just as much as Obama's kids, or anyone on this site.

By: dargent7 on 8/20/12 at 6:20

It's on the news...this dork is from Missouri.
Said in an interview that, "a woman's body has a way to shut down a pregnancy in cases of "legitimate rape". Obviously flunked 8th grade science class and Bio 101. He does NOT sopport a "morning after pill" or abortion in any case of rape. Just like the hieresses Palin and Bachmann.
The stats are of the 64,000 cases of reported rape, 3,400 result in pregnancy.
And for the other moronic men (and Sid) out there, mostly habitating in the south, many cases of rape are not reported.

By: dixiehopper on 8/20/12 at 6:24

From my perspective, which is a female one, it seems to me he merely used the word "legitimate" when he meant to use the word "real". I'm sure he was trying to convey the difference between an ACTUAL violent criminal act as opposed to the "I slept with some clown while I was out whoring around in a drunken stupor so now I'm going to claim he raped me because my boyfriend found out about it" rape. Believe it or not, there are women out there who make rape accusations against innocent people for retribution, during fits of anger or a myriad other psychotic reasons.

As a side note, I don't remember NCP expressing this much concern when Whoopi Goldberg said that Roman Polanski's rape of a 13 year old girl was "something" but not really a "rape, rape". Funny how that selective outrage thing works.

It's a simple fact of life; people occasionally used incorrect terms and the things they say come out wrong. Just ask Joe Biden....he is the master of "misspeak".

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 6:25

You're right, budlight.

I've known of examples where a young woman would "play" with a young man as if they were "getting hot" but when the "time" come they said no. And if the young man had reached such a "passion" and, in essence, used strength to carry the little "game" out, they were accused of rape.

I've also known of instances where they were "caught" in the middle of an intercourse would holler rape.

And, no, I haven't been one of those men but some of them were my friends.

By: Ummm... on 8/20/12 at 6:31

brainedlight said: "I agree that in the politically correct climate we are in that he should tender his words carefully."
So if we weren't living in a world with a "politically correct climate," this kind of brainless remark would be perfectly OK??? Lady, I think you should just stop embarrassing yourself by posting this kind of nonsense. Statements like this one, and the one the other day about Romney only being required to show two years of his tax returns by law (when in fact there is no such law), so clearly illustrate your complete lack of knowledge on virtually every subject up for discussion, you would be much better served by keeping your ignorant mouth shut.

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 6:37

Well "said", dixiehopper, especially your comment about Joe Biden.

But for an adult man to have intercourse with a 13 year girl is rape, period. But would you call it rape if an adult female had intercourse with a 13 year of boy? After all, she's the one that might get pregnant, not the boy.

By: frodo on 8/20/12 at 6:38

Excuse me, but did I miss the memo on when we talk about the outrageous oratorical mistakes of some out-of-state politicians and when we write them off as too far away to talk about? We've taken a pass on so many doozies across the nation in the past--including some that the speaker never backed down from. Could the clue be in the political affiliation of the gaffer?

By: dargent7 on 8/20/12 at 6:57

Dixiehopper: Great post.
I have a good friend who got pregnant and claimed she "was raped".
They met at a AA meeting, (!) had unprotected sex, he didn't "pull out" in time.
But, men like yogi believe women "play" with men, then say, "No" at the last minute.
I think all people know rape is a violent, forceable act against a woman, against her consent and will. It's also a felony punishable by 20 years in prison.
There's no foreplay to a rape.
And the Sid's who want to make the woman bear the child, raise it, provide for it, sacrifice their life for it amaze me.
"Where's daddy?" "Serving life in prison for rape".

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 6:58

I don't care which party this idiot is. That statement is appalling!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 7:00

A visit to the ER can pretty much determine if someone is lying when it comes to rape. Imagine the horror for the rape victims who read this statement. Rape is one of those crimes where the victim is often targeted and told they must have been "asking for it" and now this idiot was to use the phrase "legitimate rape" and if the person got pregnant, then it must have been consentual. What a moron.

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 7:15

dargent7,

To quote a phrase; "The times they are a changing". And with a 40 year difference in our ages, I know what it was like 50 years ago before they started selling condoms at the checkout counter and teaching children sex is a "normal" way of life. The lives of the children of today will be much different than when you was a child.

People have changed over the years. There's a different change in character of people every decade.

Wait until you, hopefully, get into the 80+ age bracket and you'll be surprised at the different kind of man you'll be.

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 7:22

Ummm,

Not being a lawyer or ever running for the Presidential seat and learning what I need to report on to put my name on the ticket, I've only gone by what I've heard. And I heard in different sources a candidate was only required to show 2 years of their tax returns.

So, let's get this straight; a candidate doesn't have to show any of their tax returns. Correct? If so, then why is Barry insisting Romney show 11 years of his past tax returns? Hell, shouldn't he be required to prove he's eligible also? You know, his constitutional eligibility?

By: parnell3rd on 8/20/12 at 7:38

Some how I knew the Nashville Communist Paper would not drag their feet on changing the topic page after this topic came up.
But where is the opinion change when news relates items the NCP does not wwant to be discussed?
How much does the NCP pay Mike Burch to spread propaganda?
It is amazing how propaganda is spread against people who's view's or value's don't line up with the liberal left.

And thank you Dixiehopper for pointing out selective jounalism.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/20/12 at 7:40

The CITY PAPER editors are probably having a good laugh about this topic. I can hear one of them saying to another as they released this topic. "This should cross the eyes of the 15 Obama voters and the 4 Romney voters." " If they can find a way to debate this subject, they can find a way a way to debate the sweetness of a cherry versus a plum.

By: parnell3rd on 8/20/12 at 7:48

Ask 01, have you ever had an "ignorant utterence" in your life?
How come the NCP never wants opinions of Joe Biden's many gaffes?
"The republican's want to put yall back in chains" Joe Biden
Here is a good democratic quote from the past Joe with respect for Black people
"When I sign Civil Rights into law, we'll have those Blacks voting for us the next 200 years" President Lyndon B. Johnson ps he did not use the b word, he used the n word.
So, who really keeps "yall" in chains, Joe Biden?
"Sen. Byrd joined the KKK just to get elected in his state" Former President Bill Clinton
So, when demoncrats start to jump on repubs, remember, they are all politicians trying to get or stay elected. What you don't understand is the system is corrupt. Not just one party like your brain infested with liberal propaganda is used to.

By: dargent7 on 8/20/12 at 7:49

Well, the KKK cabal is in force: yogi, parnell, rasputin....
Anything, or anyone that makes you think outside your 4 square box called a brain, you label it as "Communist".
Only 2 women post here, Sid and Blanket, now a 3rd, dixiehopper, who have a better grasp on what a rape constitutes to a female. "Asking for it", wanting it", "dressing for it, "soliciting it, "playing for it", is a concept forged in the 50's and 60's that has been repudiated and denounced.
vs. ideology from old white men who cannot get it up no matter how much Viagra is in their IV drip.

By: parnell3rd on 8/20/12 at 7:49

Time for more coffee! To all my Nashville brothers and sisters, have a great week! I may not agree with you but glad to have you here. If you don't like Nashville, move!!! I keed I keed!! NOT!!!

By: slacker on 8/20/12 at 8:03

''He raped the cattle.. and pillaged the women... it was a nightmare''
-unnamed source

By: jvh2b on 8/20/12 at 8:20

Please tell me I'm not the only one who caught our resident psychotic troll saying this: "And if the young man had reached such a "passion" and, in essence, used strength to carry the little "game" out, they were accused of rape."

WTF do you think is rape then? WHO GIVES A FLYING RATS HIND END IF SHE LEAD HIM ON??? If he in ANYWAY uses strength to have his way with her - then it is RAPE.
Jesus H Christ you're a waste perfectly good air and food yogi.

As to the rest of the facist thugs on here whining about what a private entrprise chooses to submit as a topic of the day, in a pathetic attempt to deflect the bozo they support's gaffe....go to faux news...or hell bring up a Biden gaffe when it comes up! The man's an awful speaker and an idiot. Otherwise STFU...it's a free market - if they want to publish what they want ... kudos to them! Capitolism at it's finest!

By: frodo on 8/20/12 at 8:54

Jbh2b makes a case against crude and ignorant discourse by responding with crude and ignorant discourse. I'm not quite convinced of his or her point.

By: parnell3rd on 8/20/12 at 9:01

Well d7 if your a demoNcrat chances are your family history is in the KKK.
Why does the media keep asking men about abortion?
Why did Katie Couric keep asking Sarah Palin about abortion?
Is it because the left mindset is to murder babies? And the want conservatives to be just like them? Probly.
So here it is, if your a democrat, and you agree with the media propaganda, then you want to murder unborn children
We all know a demoncratic White woman started Planned Parenthood for the Black Population.

By: Mike Burch on 8/20/12 at 9:11

Ron Paul said something similar, not so long ago.

The Republican party, which seems to be descending into madness on nearly every front, is struggling with the idea that God decides when babies will be born, making it "murder" to end a baby's life.

Of course they can't explain why God allows babies to be born, only to suffer and die.

Rick Santorum actually said that a baby born of rape is a "gift" from God, as if God was involved in the rape. But of course it was the free will of the rapist that caused a baby to be conceived against the girl's or woman's will.

The new "personhood" ideology of the Republican party threatens to send women back to the Stone Age. If God gives gifts to women, do they have the right to use contraceptives at all, defying the will of God?

Women and the men who love them should tell the GOP to stay out of their bedrooms, their sex lives, and their family planning.

Mike

By: pswindle on 8/20/12 at 9:19

Rape is Rape! The Supreme Court settled the abortion issues many years ago. Todd Akin is nothing short of being a total fool. He said exactly how he feels, and he is so dangerous to women of all ages. The women of this country better wake up and take charge of their own bodies. Men have been fighting women since the fifties when they were begining to lose control over them. My Mother was an equal partner to my Dad.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 9:26

frodo, jvh was expressing outrage. Anyone who is not outraged by the notion that women who are raped can't get pregnant because their body can "shut that down" and if they are pregnant, they must've wanted it and it's a "gift from God".....

By: jvh2b on 8/20/12 at 9:31

Blanket - thank you. And outrage that in 2012 someone can seriously try to blame the woman for looking sexy and leading the man on ...so when the man has his way with her...it's not rape.

By: BenDover on 8/20/12 at 9:38

Fringe loony no one has ever heard of says something stupid...

... gets promoted by the press to be the front-page spokesman for the Republican party and the Romney Ryan election campaign.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 9:58

Ben, didn't he win his primary in MO?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 9:58

jvh, I wonder about the character of anyone who isn't outraged!

By: jvh2b on 8/20/12 at 10:01

Amen Blanket.

And per my understanding (and I admit I haven't checked on any of these) He not only won his primary but has allready been elected to prior public office...both on state and national levels - apprently he was a former US congressman...on get this...one of the science committies.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 10:03

Yes, he was. He is already holding office. So he's not just some fringe guy that came out of the woodwork.

By: govskeptic on 8/20/12 at 10:04

Don't think this fellow will be on the ballot in Tenn. Stupid Republican
statements (especially from one's likely to win a contest) will always
draw the National Press like stink on a cesspool. CNN will attempt
making him the face of the Romney campaign. MSNBC will attempt
making him the face of all men. Our VP's gaffs gets 4 seconds on l day.

By: dargent7 on 8/20/12 at 10:10

This Todd freak is the headliner on all the news shows.
Sexual behavior is one thing, the sex act is another.
But, this idiot thinking sperm knows if it was inserted in a forceable rape or on the honeymoon, during lovemaking, or Viagra's "when the moment is right", is beyond pathetic.
It's the southern mind set: ass-backwards, stuck in the 50's, pass more gun legislation to open ownership of guns to everyone to cure societies ills, have negroes sit in the back of the bus, repress women, etc.
And this prevelant concept, "go back to where you came from", I retort, get off the planet Earth and take your DNA and shallow end of the gene pool with you.
The South is being forced to evolve, if ever so slowly, whether you like it or not.

By: jvh2b on 8/20/12 at 10:40

Wild guess here...and yes this is a generalization

When a Dem makes a gaffe...it doesn't usually have to do with something as serious as rape. Or be based from church teachings that are clearly trying to make govt/society submissive to the church's teachings (seriously check it out...apparently this whole thing is based on what many people/kids were told in church...thus pushing the religious agenda of all abortion is awful).

Amazes me on a planet of 8 billion people and clear data showing this planet can't support us and our exponential growth for much longer, that these clowns are STILL trying to hang on the the be fruitful and multiply clause.

Oh wait...thats right...has more to do with keeping in power with large numbers of stupid minions that were kept stupid by cutting education/health etc for all those poor kids that the women would be forced to have. Nevermind.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 10:41

By: budlight on 8/20/12 at 7:05
I agree that in the politically correct climate we are in that he should tender his words carefully.

This has nothing to do with being politically correct; it has to do with a politician speaking untruth about a subject he has no idea about what he is talking about.

Give facts budlight to your argument and not gossip.

By: MamaG on 8/20/12 at 10:44

Good morning all.
I know I'm not here that often anymore but, Darge, in case you didn't know it, I, too, am a woman. LOL (Hear me roar!)

When my friend posted this on Facebook yesterday, I was agasp. I likened this to the same thought as someone saying you can get pregnant from sitting on the toilet seat. It is arcane and idiotic.

What I don't understand is this: Why do yogi and sidney feel they have to justify this statement? As a woman, sidney, aren't you appalled by this? You should be, regardless of your feelings about abortions. Yogi, what if it were your wife, mother, daughter, second-cousin twice removed who was raped and you have some jerkwad saying things like this. Do both of you really think women "ask for it?" If you do, please hurry to catch up to the 21st Century.!!! We aren't waiting for you but have hope you'll get here one day.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 10:46

By: dixiehopper on 8/20/12 at 7:24
From my perspective, which is a female one, it seems to me he merely used the word "legitimate" when he meant to use the word "real". I'm sure he was trying to convey the difference between an ACTUAL violent criminal act as opposed to the "I slept with some clown while I was out whoring around in a drunken stupor so now I'm going to claim he raped me because my boyfriend found out about it" rape.

Being a woman you should understand that rape without permission is still rape. It doesn’t matter if she is a whore or a Nun, with out agreement it is rape.

By: Mike Burch on 8/20/12 at 10:50

The thing I find most disturbing about the GOP is that there is a huge pattern of such crazy statements. Much of the craziness is driven by an extreme form of the Christian religion that says people being gay or women "defying" the will of God by choosing whether or not to have babies will result in the "wrath" of God against the United States.

This is the religion of Pat Robertson, who says God and Jesus killed babies and children in Haiti because they were angry about "devil worship" in the past.

But it is equally insane to say that God and Jesus will cause harm to Americans if girls who are raped or women whose pill malfunction decide that they don't want to babies. No one is in favor of abortion, but in the real world things can and do go wrong. Men should not dictate to women, telling them when babies must be carried and delivered.

But the GOP has literally lost its mind, and people in the highest circles -- Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, et al -- are siding with the Vatican and right-wing Protestants, in effect saying that women have no right to decide whether or not they should have babies. The goal seems to be to return women's reproductive rights to the stone age.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 10:51

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 7:25
You're right, budlight.

I've known of examples where a young woman would "play" with a young man as if they were "getting hot" but when the "time" come they said no. And if the young man had reached such a "passion" and, in essence, used strength to carry the little "game" out, they were accused of rape.

More gossip.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 10:55

By: yogiman on 8/20/12 at 8:15
dargent7,

To quote a phrase; "The times they are a changing".

And you are still behind the times, even for 50 yrs ago.

By: MamaG on 8/20/12 at 10:55

I like your thoughts here, Mike. I would like to add, let one (or more) of those babies turn out to be gay and then what do those same people think about it? They can't have their cake and eat it too! I believe gay people are born that way. Did God make a mistake in "letting" those babies be born? Insane is right on!

By: MamaG on 8/20/12 at 10:57

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 11:46
By: dixiehopper on 8/20/12 at 7:24
From my perspective, which is a female one, it seems to me he merely used the word "legitimate" when he meant to use the word "real". I'm sure he was trying to convey the difference between an ACTUAL violent criminal act as opposed to the "I slept with some clown while I was out whoring around in a drunken stupor so now I'm going to claim he raped me because my boyfriend found out about it" rape.

Being a woman you should understand that rape without permission is still rape. It doesn’t matter if she is a whore or a Nun, with out agreement it is rape.

Well said, Nemo!

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 10:59

By: parnell3rd on 8/20/12 at 8:48
Ask 01, have you ever had an "ignorant utterence" in your life?
How come the NCP never wants opinions of Joe Biden's many gaffes?
"The republican's want to put yall back in chains" Joe Biden

I don’t recall Biden saying such an outlandish statement before. I think he has said things that was not meant for public knowledge.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 11:02

By: jvh2b on 8/20/12 at 9:20
Please tell me I'm not the only one who caught our resident psychotic troll saying this: "And if the young man had reached such a "passion" and, in essence, used strength to carry the little "game" out, they were accused of rape."

He does it to animals why not to women.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 11:05

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/20/12 at 10:58
jvh, I wonder about the character of anyone who isn't outraged!

As usual Blanket is spot on.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/20/12 at 11:07

By: govskeptic on 8/20/12 at 11:04
Don't think this fellow will be on the ballot in Tenn. Stupid Republican
statements (especially from one's likely to win a contest) will always
draw the National Press like stink on a cesspool. CNN will attempt
making him the face of the Romney campaign. MSNBC will attempt
making him the face of all men. Our VP's gaffs gets 4 seconds on l day.

Tiny violin plays in the background.