Up for Debate: Cooper proposes an amendment

Wednesday, May 1, 2013 at 11:36pm

Does the U.S. Constitution need an amendment to protect voting rights nationwide?

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52 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 2:20

Cooper has no expectation of passing such an amendment. He's playing spook-the-constituency wedge politics with one of the few wedge issues he thinks can fly in his district.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 5:05

And exercise in futility, Mr. Cooper.

The Party of Jeff Davis will not stand for anything like this.....for the Southern-fried GOP; the goal is to disenfranchise certain blocks of voters....a universal right to vote simply runs counter to to their ideology....this voter's rights thing is going nowhere.....too many GOP knuckle-draggers in power, financed by selfish special interests....and yes, they are on a mission from God....they are Judeo-Christian soldiers: armed, dangerous and disgruntled.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 6:09

S/h/b: "An exercise in futility, Mr. Cooper."....my bad.

Kind of like trying to argue with birthers, baggers, gun nuts, Jesus freaks, Zionists and Jihadists....all futile endeavors....ideologues don't need no steenking debate; they already know all the answers...they know the truth.

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 6:13

Loner - I correction "they THINK they know the truth". :-)

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 6:32

Seems like the "truth" is a subjective thing...one man's "gospel" is another man's "heresy"....emotions cloud the powers of reason....passion often trumps reason....'twas ever thus.

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 6:48

Subject change: Dean's white elephant (MCC) lost it's case to Tower & might go over budget (surprise! surprise!). IMO the ENTIRE TRUTH about this MCC has never been made available to the public.

Sorry for the interruption, just a bit of news that should be very important to taxpayers.

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 7:12

A much better suggestion for the 28th Amendment.


By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 7:25

Yeah, Bfra, hizzoner is screwing the Fairgrounds, the Municipal Auditorium and the Farmers Market.....he needs an available cash reserve, as a lifeline for the new Convention Center....the high rolling mayor is shooting craps on the MCC deal.....good luck.

Conventioneers will be paying a minimum charge of $45 to ride in any of the mob-owned cabs....such a deal! The specter of armed men in bars should also attract the convention-going crowd to Nashville, TN. And the rebel flags...let's not forget those....black convention-goers should get a kick out of those symbols of white supremacy.

The NRA and the KKK will book the MCC....that's two.....

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 7:27

Loner - The entire project of the MCC is & was greed & ego boosting. Just like everything else Dean has done. Everything has an angle, slanted in his direction.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 7:29

Left a comment here:


Hope & Change was Shuck & Jive.

I did NOT vote for BHO in 2012....I can now find some cold comfort in that.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 7:48

Bfra, they say that "Success" has many claimed fathers; but "Failure" is always a bastard child....and so it will be with the MCC.

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 7:53

I think the MCC was a failure before it was started. Just by the way it was bull dozed over the taxpayers & the reasons of greed & self-satisfying ego boosting. The media only drops lil tidbits every now & then of how it is not progressing as expected & failures to meet expectations.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 8:00

Ben...I went to the link you posted....sounds like a long-winded rant, not an amendment.

The idea is so cockamamie that I won't begin to debate its merits...on balance, it is a right-wing wish list that, if ratified, would set the stage for a return to the days of Charles Dickens....it would be the death knell for the middle class....a victory for the one-percenters and the robber barons.

Ben, you are visiting some very creepy sites lately.

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 8:16

Sorry loner. I was looking for the one that said Congress must be subject to all laws it passes and may not exempt itself. I just did a google search and that's the one that popped up. I didn't read on about all the other stuff.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 8:19

I see, Ben....I agree with that part...start the drug testing at the top, not the bottom, for example...and the War on Drugs would implode overnight.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 8:26

BHO is filling positions with some real beauties...Penny Pritzker has been nominated for Sec of Commerce.

Penny Pritzker 's Biography (Wiki):

Born to a Jewish family[8] in 1959, the daughter of Sue (Sandel)[9] and Donald N. Pritzker (1932–1972), co-founder of Hyatt hotels, which grew dramatically under his leadership as President from 1959 until his death in 1972. Pritzker is a member of the Pritzker family of Chicago, an influential business family. She attended Castilleja School[10] until 1977.[11] She earned a BA in Economics from Harvard College (1981), and a JD/MBA from Stanford University (1984).[12] She has two brothers: Anthony Pritzker and Jay Robert Pritzker.

Snippet from the WaPo:

Pritzker, the daughter of the co-founder of the Hyatt hotel chain and a successful investor in her own right, would easily become the richest secretary in Obama’s Cabinet and potentially the richest Cabinet secretary in U.S. history. She has a net worth of $1.85 billion, according to Forbes magazine, making her the 277th wealthiest person on the Forbes 400 list.

Penny was a huge fund-raiser for BHO...this is her reward.

Who would dare to oppose that nomination?

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 8:28

Here's the WaPo source:


By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 8:35

Froman is Obama’s nominee for U.S. trade representative, currently, is the deputy national security adviser for international economics.

Here's the Wiki stats on Froman:

Born August 20, 1962 (age 50)
Ethnicity Jewish[1]
Alma mater Princeton University
University of Oxford
Harvard University
Political party Democratic
Spouse(s) Nancy Goodman
Children 3
Benjamin Froman
Sarah Froman
Jacob Froman (deceased)

He lives in Mayor Bloomberg's utopia...Nanny York City.

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 8:42

He's also the Sausage King of Chicago.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 8:42

After Obama's fawning visit to Israel and with cabinet appointments like these, AIPAC will have little evidence to back up their claims of an anti-Semitic streak in the POTUS....BHO done got his mind right...they should quit hitting him.

It's tough to satisfy the Jewish lobby; when BHO put another Jew on the USSC, that wasn't nearly enough...the trip to Israel and these two appointments are shameless attempts by the president to ingratiate himself to the Jewish lobby...it's the legacy thing from now on.

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 9:06

BenDover said

"Cooper has no expectation of passing such an amendment. He's playing spook-the-constituency wedge politics with one of the few wedge issues he thinks can fly in his district."

Ben's right....

All these GOP run state legislatures that are pushing through strongly arguable unconstitutional voter suppression laws like Grant took Richmond are a complete myth..... oh, and pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

By: dargent7 on 5/2/13 at 10:10

'Subject change..."
Today, in the Bay Area, that's 2,000 miles from you people...the temp. is going to be 100 degrees.
25 degrees above normal.
Oh, and curse Al Gore.
He's nuts, after all...right?

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 10:30


By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 10:39

Recent progressive global warming, upon which all the Malthusian models of imminent doom are based, is due to our successes in removing aerosol pollutants over the past 40 years.

Since we've reached a point of diminishing returns in our ability to remove more SO2 and other pollutants we have eliminated much of the smog that was filtering sunlight and we have added to the suspended water in the atmosphere because there is less particulate pollution for the H20 molecules to attache to and fall as rain.

As a result the diurnal temperatures increased quickly over the era of the catalytic converter but have now settled about where they should have been all along without the pollution in the first place.

The progressive models have failed because they are aligning to the wrong factors. CO2 concentration is a trailing trend and has little impact on the greenhouse effect compared to the elimination of SO2 and other pollutants.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/2/13 at 10:55

Is this more of your junks science, Ben?

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 11:04

Captain Nemo said

"Is this more of your junks science, Ben?"

Yeah, that's the problem.... it is his "junk's" science... :-)

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 11:08


I heard Alex Jones say that global warning was the result of increased homosexual flatulence and that the government is hiding it from us..... yeah, right... like you can hide flatulence....

By: dargent7 on 5/2/13 at 11:19

Ben: You and other mensas....the honey bees are also disapearing.."What say you?" Who cares?
How about pollinating all the crops in America?
See, you idiots will not bite you until it bites you in the ass....then it's too late.

By: dargent7 on 5/2/13 at 11:23

According to Ben...the sulfur dioxide emmissions are actually GOOD for the Earth.
That's how Republicans THINK...CO2, SO2, all effluents are GOOD for the environment...
These people have their asses up their asses.

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 11:33

Turns out there may be a bit of bias in Ben's study....

First of all, both authors are economists.

And on further investigation.... one author, Lianne M. Lefsrud, is a member of the OGM Network (repeat after me... O is for oil, G is for gas). The second author, Renate E. Meyer, is a proponent of some social science crackpot theory called the "Neoinstitutional organization theory", which advocates (as far as I can tell) the questioning and distrust of institutions of authority..... you know, like a majority of climate scientists.

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 11:42

I just love the smell of SO2 in the morning.....

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 11:46

brrrrk - Maybe that is the reason Ben moved downtown. Closer to where all those repubs come to meet and the S02 smell is stronger. LOL

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 11:56

bfra said

"brrrrk - Maybe that is the reason Ben moved downtown. Closer to where all those repubs come to meet and the S02 smell is stronger. LOL"

Ben is an example of gentrification writ large. He (just like Gaylord) and all the other "Johnny-come-latelies" didn't want to have anything to do with the downtown area until someone else invested in it..... that someone else largely being the city government and a bunch of small investors who got kicked to the side when the big boys moved in.

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 1:16

Actually nemo I don't see the removal of SO2 as a problem, as you describe, as the warming process due to it has an end-date -- a cap -- a max; because there's just not that much left to remove.

This differs from the predictions of increasing green-house gases compounding with other feedback loops that will cause UTTER CATASTROPHIC DESTRUCTION OF THE EARTH if we don't shift the wealth from rich countries to poor countries like Kyoto requires.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/2/13 at 1:21

If the elected official were truly interested in the future welfare of this country he would propose an Amendment as follows.

Any one age 25 through 65 who does not pay a federal income tax is not allowed to vote in a state or national election.

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 1:47

But Raspy you have never been high enough on the Totem Pole for your ideas to matter & repeating like yogi all the time, will not change that fact.

By: yogiman on 5/2/13 at 2:01


I'm sure Al knows more than I about some things; but climatology? I'll argue with him on that little subject. I had over 40 years experience in it. How many has he had?

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 2:07

yogi - But Al has a "brain"!

By: brrrrk on 5/2/13 at 2:07


I thought you were a weatherman?

By: bfra on 5/2/13 at 2:10

brrrrk - That's just one of his many, many claims!:-)

By: Captain Nemo on 5/2/13 at 2:40

Rasputin produces enough methane in his fantasy world, to pollute three earths.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/2/13 at 3:15

From yesterday Ben ask, “Why is the gun any worse than drowning or any other form of death? If she accidentally runs a red-light and loses her child in an accident should she and her other children suffer for it; on top of her own suffering for having lost her child?”

Ben I don’t see any difference as to which is/could be worse. However a gun can be hidden and locked away out of site. While a swimming pool can not be hidden out of site, but it can be locked up. In any case, both can be deadly to an unaware child.

By: BenDover on 5/2/13 at 3:34

I agree with that Nemo. This site seemed to offer much less compassion for the mother who lost her child to a gun accident though... even though her having a pool is substantially more dangerous given the statistics.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/2/13 at 3:42

Ben, I think this site was more in tune with the death of the child. I know I was and felt that there needs to have more safeguards in place. I don’t think any court would senesce the mother any long time in prison, but the fact is…this is a crime.

By: yogiman on 5/2/13 at 7:05

Careful, bfra, you're exposing your ignorance. We were known as Aerographer's Mates in the Navy specializing in meteorology.

You do understand what meteorology is, don't you? If you don't, that's about weather.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 7:34

Ben reiterates the phony analogy between swimming pools and firearms:

"This site seemed to offer much less compassion for the mother who lost her child to a gun accident though... even though her having a pool is substantially more dangerous given the statistics. " (end quote)

Guns were designed to shoot lethal projectiles; they are killing machines.

Swimming pools were designed to provide pleasure and exercise; the fact that swimming pools can be lethal is incidental...the inherent risk of drowning in a swimming pool is part of the trade-off. Millions of Americans use swimming pools every day without lethal consequences....the risk is tolerable.

The morbidity statistics regarding firearms deaths and drownings in swimming pools are irrelevant to each other.

Beyond comparing apples & oranges....Ben's guns & pools argument enters the realm of the absurd.

By: Loner on 5/2/13 at 7:52

Ben's sympathies are with the "Little Crickett" gun manufacturer and the folks who buy these guns for the little kids.


Like I said before, if the kids were shooting the adults who gave them the guns, there would be a modicum of poetic justice in these killings....but no, the innocent are paying the price for some idiot's poor judgment.

The Little Crickett rifles ought to be outlawed...the manufacturers and retailers who sell them should be publicly shamed...what a disgraceful enterprise.....sick.

By: yogiman on 5/2/13 at 8:23

True, Loner, but the fact is also known more people are killed in fewer privately owned swimming pools than guns; and I believe you can throw in the public pools also. So which death is the worth, being shot or drowned? It seems you're more likely to drown than get shot.

So would you rather go swimming or walk down the street?

By: yogiman on 5/2/13 at 8:30


My dad taught my brothers before me, and me, how to use a gun as a birthday present on our 8th birthday; and ya know what? None of us ever killed anyone. We never killed an animal unless it was to put meat on the table.

We had that attitude: You only kill when necessary.

By: budlight on 5/3/13 at 4:26

Did I miss something? Did this rag tag of a newspaper even mention George Jones funeral or his death? Alan Jackson sang "he stopped loving her today". OMG. He's awesome. I will miss George a lot.