Up for Debate: Curfew evicts protesters

Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 10:05pm

Does the announced overnight curfew at Legislative Plaza interfere with the rights of the protesters? 

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58 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 10/27/11 at 10:24

That is public property, owned by us, the tax payers. But since 'our' "guvmunt" is given the primary use of it, they deserve the right to set some reasonable restrictions to keep it clean.

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 4:34

Yes and no.
Lawful assembly, yes.
It's the United States, folks.

By: HenryB on 10/28/11 at 5:06

I think you better stop, children, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down ...

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 5:17

"For What It's Worth", Buffalo Springfield on YouTube.
And, they all had dark hair!

By: bombing8 on 10/28/11 at 5:49

Just a reminder to the yogi....the "property" is oned by the citizens of the U.S., taxpayers or not, and our rights of ownership are limited by the Bill of Rights and all of those other pesky U.S. Constitution's guarantees.

By: HenryB on 10/28/11 at 5:50

Just 'cause I have grey hair now doesn't mean I've gone to the dark side, Paul! I still know injustice when I see it. The thought of my tax dollars paying 100 state troopers to intimidate and arrest peaceful protesters on public property turns my stomach.
Where were the cops when those anti-income tax protestors blocked traffic, hindered progress of the General Assembly, destroyed public property and threw a rock through the gov's window? Oh yeah. They were Republicans. That was the difference.

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 5:52

"There's something'in happen here..what it is ain't exactly clear..."
How about Kent State?

By: artsmart on 10/28/11 at 6:09

I don't think it is a camp ground however. Protest all you want during the day but let's be reasonable.

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 6:13

I think I know what they're protesting against . . . can anyone explain what they want done about it?

By: yogiman on 10/28/11 at 6:22

You're right to a point, bombing8, it is owned by US citizens who live in Tennessee. But it is the Tennessee taxpayers whom are footing the bill.

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 6:28

Did anyone make sense of the Vietnam protestors?
College students were putting flowers into National Guard rifle barrels.
Did that make any sense?
Maybe not.
But Nixon stopped the war in 1974.
"The people" can have an effect.

By: govskeptic on 10/28/11 at 6:46

We have State Parks for Camping, sidewalks for protesting,
laws against loitering, and lots of daylight hours and locations
to express one's 1st Amendment rights!

Wall Street provided a fortune to 2008 O'bama campaign and is
on track to provide even more this election.
It's just been announced by the President that he wants the
taxpayers to take on a good portion of the student loan
debt (so please vote for me) so that should tickle this group of hustlers!
Eric Holder and the Justice Dept have cleared all the biggest of
bankers of any wrong doing so I ask "what's the beef'?

By: sidneyames on 10/28/11 at 7:13

HenryB on 10/28/11 at 6:50
Just 'cause I have grey hair now doesn't mean I've gone to the dark side, Paul! I still know injustice when I see it. The thought of my tax dollars paying 100 state troopers to intimidate and arrest peaceful protesters on public property turns my stomach.
Where were the cops when those anti-income tax protestors blocked traffic, hindered progress of the General Assembly, destroyed public property and threw a rock through the gov's window? Oh yeah. They were Republicans. That was the difference.

Henry, no one is opposing a peaceful protest, with people respecting the rights of others. But these lazy, nasty people are creating a public nusiance in many cities. They are unsanitary, urinating on the streets and defecating in public, plus trashing the environment they are occupying. In one city, a business owner said they destroyed her bathroom and caused her business to flood. ARE THEY going to pay for it? No.

wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 7:13
I think I know what they're protesting against . . . can anyone explain what they want done about it?

No, bob, and they can't even explain what they want done. My guess is that if every corporate giant SHUT DOWN, the entire country, plus most of the world would collapse. Then they would have nothing to complain about! Now would they?

As I said, they are disrespectful, law breaking, nasty, spoiled rich kids with nothing to do except sit there with their hands out and their mouths flapping with no meaningful statements coming out.

By: sidneyames on 10/28/11 at 7:16

posted by Gov: "It's just been announced by the President that he wants the
taxpayers to take on a good portion of the student loan
debt (so please vote for me) so that should tickle this group of hustlers!"

Obama is only transparent when he's trying to hustle votes. Who, in their right mind, did not see this coming? Of course, the "gimmie" kids will vote for him. I mean, isn't that what he has in mind? OMG! And yes, WE will for it - in one way or another.

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 7:27

Regardless of how ill informed one's opinions are of the protesters (ahem sid) they do have a right to protest. And when one starts putting restrictions on those rights, we begin the slippery downward slope.

First its where, then it's when, then it's how long, then it's a PERMIT?! This is BULL and will come back to bite EVERYONE in the hind quarters.

With all the slippery slope arguments I've heard over the years from the right wing, I'm amazed (not really) by the blinders they are using here. Once the govt takes away a right...they aren't giving it back...to anyone.

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 7:31

Good morning, Nashville! Lots of new posters here this fine morning.

Sounds like the "guvmint" in Nashville is getting a little panicky and over-reacting to a minor incident....as usual. The "Nashville cats" are a bunch of scaredy cats....easily spooked into hasty decision-making.

From Wikipedia:

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is commonly, though not always, defined as being nonviolent resistance. It is one form of civil resistance.

The key is in the "disobedience"....if they clamp down with a new and special curfew, you must defy the law, in a civil and orderly fashion.

Don't make me drive the DJ-5 down there and show yous (sic) how to protest....NY style. I got my standard, all-purpose, protest sign: HOLY WARS SUCK.

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 7:35

America lost it's way with the two Bush's in the White House.
Twiddle-dee and Twiddle dumb (er).
Attack Iraq for one reason and one reason only: OIL.
I absolutely loose my mind when Jeb Bush is giving interviews.
The thought this 3rd Bush could run for President is astounding...he could very well win.

By: yogiman on 10/28/11 at 7:40

jvh2b,

It isn't the "right" being taken away, its the respect they are being asked to show. So far, those at our Capital haven't begun acting like "them up yonda". But when does it start?

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 7:44

That Iraq war vet who was hit in the head by a police "projectile" in Oakland was not a dirty hippie; he had a day job...he protested at night. That young man went to war to protect our right of assembly and free speech...he's in critical condition with a fractured skull...this is the thanks he got for his honorable service.

Oakland's mayor must go....Police Chief too....firing tear gas grenades into the crowd was overkill...now a brave young man is barely clinging to life, because of the mayor's panicky reaction to a peaceful protest.

Will the Metro police and State police start swinging billy clubs and tasering the "hippies"? Your mayor and your governor are scared sh*tless....panicky leaders make terrible mistakes....I hope that cooler heads will prevail in Nashville.

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 7:49

So how have the Occupy people not shown respect? They have been peaceful, ASKED to have security be there for everyone's good....

I'd say the occupy people haven't been shown any respect...law makers won't meet with them, people talk dirty about them based on illogical assumptions. Yet they still maintain their civility.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree to an extent of certain restrictions, if cleanliness is an issue, they should move down the road while a cleaning takes place, but to have to get a permit, which is probably decided by those they are protesting, then to charge a large fee to use public property their/my taxes pay for? Unacceptable!

They have just as much of a right to be there as the horn honking people protesting income tax. Just because they decided to stay longer makes no difference...at all.

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 7:51

Loner - our Mayor isn't involved in this debacle thankfully. This is State level RWNJ at it's finest. The Tenn State Troopers are the ones removing the protesters, not Metro PD.

Course I'm not sure what else I'd expect from our legislature who is more concerned about putting guns anywhere and everywhere and making sure cities can't extend protections their citizens want them to have than try to do something like deal with the budget issues or the economy...

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 7:56

I agree, Darge, incredibly, Jeb Bush could win the presidency, he appears to be more fit for the job than any of the TP-GOP contenders...how does the old adage go? Is it fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me....fool me a third time, I'm a Republican?

Jeb Bush and his brother Neil Bush, were bailed out by their daddy's taxpayer-funded S&L bailout program....we've all pretty much swept that GOP financial debacle under the national rug, haven't we?

The Bush family made out like bandits. They know the TP-GOP, with its field of losers, is struggling right now....tanned and rested, Jeb may have to jump in, to pull their fat from the fire....and old family tradition.

By: yogiman on 10/28/11 at 8:02

No, Loner, when you fool me the third time doesn't mean I'm a Republican (which I'm not). It means I'm a damn fool like the rest of you, I got suckered all the way down the line.

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 8:08

Thanks for clarifying that Jvh2b...so it's Gov. Haslam's doing? Haslam is the Tea Party-backed, born-again, NRA member, truck-stop/convenience store tycoon governor, right?

Is this guy another instrument of the Lord nutjob? Sounds like Holy War brewing in Music City and the Volunteer State....I gotta come down there.

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 8:13

BINGO on your description of Haslam.

Now if he's directly responsible, I honestly don't know...but it wouldn't surprise me to find his personal signature on the order...but then again that would require him having a clue, which the man doesn't have.

Probably just the moronic legislature we somehow voted in last go round.

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 8:18

I would imagine that the Governor signed off on a removal and curfew order...I can't imagine the State Police doing this without an OK from the Commander in Chief....unless Haslam wants plausible deniability - an old GOP tactic dating back to Tricky Dick Nixon.

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 8:22

Haslam doesn't have a spine, so it wouldn't surprise me.

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 8:26

I see where Haslam wanted to be a preacher, as a young man, but went into the family fuel business instead....his old vocation may not have left him....he could be an instrument of the Lord nutjob....armed and seething with contempt...the streets may run red with the blood of the non-believers.....Beavis and Butthead returned to MTV last night....Cornholio did not appear in the first new episode....with the advent of the TP, our beloved Cornholio may finally find TP for his bunghole....meanwhile, in Nashville, TN, Governor Haslam has pulled his Metallica T-shirt over his head and is asking the protesters, "ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!"

By: foxman on 10/28/11 at 8:33

Oust these scumbags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 8:37

I see that Ben Dover has posted on the main article on this story....I left some droppings there too...Ben, are you here?

Foxman...which scumbags are you referring to...they abound?

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 8:43

The guvmint called in 100 State police officers, on overtime, no doubt, to arrest 25 peaceful demonstrators who were simply camping out on public land....yeah, Haslam is Cornholio. The guy must have soiled himself in fear. Start the recall now, before people get killed....you got a panicky nutjob for a governor.

By: Loner on 10/28/11 at 8:46

Maybe Haslam is on meth? Could explain his public anti-meth grandstanding...meth heads get all panicky like this....let's drug test the gov....for the sake of the children! Get the dope out of the state capital....before disaster strikes.

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 9:00

As I recall the original Tea Partiers didn't exactly adhere to "reasonable restrictions"...

By: pswindle on 10/28/11 at 9:00

The Governor only does things that protect his family and their businesss.

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 9:01

There is not possible a more scarier senario than that: a 3rd Bush in the White House.
It's DNA, genetics, aka, Republicans.
Well, hell, let's put Bachmann in the Oval Office as his VP.
Her husband cures homosexuality and she'll drop gas prices to under $2.00.
Maybe consult with Palin about the "perhaps,so" the bombing of Russia.
Yeah. That's a good move. Let's f**ck with Russia while we're at it destroying the Middle East.
$14.50+ trillion in debt and we're still telling the world how to live.

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 9:02

Well, I still haven't figured out what the protesters are trying to accomplish so this is my guess.

A new AP article says "they protest economic inequality and what they call corporate greed."

To obtain economic equality they want to take from those who earned it and give to those who didn't?!?

Now, corporate greed. Reduce profits by controlling prices? There goes capitalism. Or increase corporate taxes which would result in downsizing and exporting jobs.

Maybe I just don't get it.

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 9:04

govskeptic said

"We have State Parks for Camping, sidewalks for protesting,
laws against loitering, and lots of daylight hours and locations
to express one's 1st Amendment rights!"

Oh, I get it..... the 1st amendment, and particularly in regards to political speech, is fine as long as it isn't messy? Do you listen to your self?

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 9:10

@bob - yeah I'd say your last line about sums it up.

Economic inequality being the MASSIVE difference in classes ie low middle upper and the vast differences between them all. lets be real...it's not nearly as easy to move between classes as it was say 100-50 yrs ago.

You don't understand corporate greed? Wow...get out more often. I don't think (could be wrong here) that any of them is asking for them to be taxed more. But it is rather disheartening to know that corporations have clearly started to worship the all mighty dollar at the cost of humanity. I get profits are to be made, shareholder to be paid, but when you consistently SCREW your employees for the slightly higher profits its insane! And what do they do with that extra money? Buy politicians so they have keep them from interfering in their obscene money making...if not making laws that outright help that fact.

There is no longer any thought for the common man - and that is NOT Communism - look at the 50's when companies took care of their people and STILL made money!

By: dargent7 on 10/28/11 at 9:23

"Long haired, hippy people...."Signs"
And Jesus Christ, your Messiah, bathed every day, shaved, didn't hold rallys, didn't speak up?
How do you want to effect social change?
In Congress?

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 9:25

jvh2b - 100 years ago it was virtually impossible to move between classes. Where you were born is where you stayed.

I spent 38 years in a Fortune 500 company, most in middle management. While companies spout about the welfare of their employeess it always comes down to the bottom line. If profit was not #1 priority there would be no company or employees. This is not new and basic Economics 101. Influencing politicians? That's basic History 101.

By: jvh2b on 10/28/11 at 9:39

Oh so that whole pull yourself up by the bootstraps and make yourself a self made man has been/is just a bunch of bull then? Last I checked that was part of the American dream.

Well then I may just go out and protest my self.

And no S&@! sherlock on the profits - thats why companies exist. I didn't say they should go bankrupt to provide for their employees. I said they should take care of their employees if they can.
Perfect current example -- I worked for an auto insurance company - no raises for 5 years (or cost of living increases) benefits stripped down to the point a cold will make you file for bankruptcy if you went to the dr, all in the name of the company wasn't making money. Fine -- until you looked at the SEC site and saw all the fat cats getting HUGE bonus' for doing what??? Driving the place into the ground? THAT corporate greed is what this is all about. Screwing your employees so the ALREADY positive bottom line can increase a measly % is just wrong.

Money influencing politicians - also true, but NEVER to the degree it is now. Now these corporations making obscene amounts of money can give UNLIMITED amounts to a politician...how in the HECK can ANY individual compete with that?

We've been sold out...not longer a govt by and for the people, but by and for the highest bidder....

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 9:49

jvh2b said

"And no S&@! sherlock on the profits - thats why companies exist. I didn't say they should go bankrupt to provide for their employees. I said they should take care of their employees if they can."

The truth is that capitalism can only exist by underpaying labor.

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 9:57

jvh2b - and what is it that you and the OWS crowd propose we do about it?

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 10:07

wataboutbob said

"jvh2b - and what is it that you and the OWS crowd propose we do about it?"

The same thing was said to the suffragettes, the bonus army, the civil rights protesters, the Vietnam war protesters, the Abolitionist protesters, the labor protesters, etc......

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 10:20

brrrk - that's not an answer.

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 10:37

wataboutbob said

"brrrk - that's not an answer."

My point is (Gee, do I really have to explain this?) is that in all these situations, the protesting groups didn't really enact any laws to change anything. In all these cases, the protestors were simply the force that brought the issue to the attention of the public and eventually caused the change.

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 10:41

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." ... Winston Churchill

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 10:47

And of course in Bob's world, anything that would dare deviant one iota from "pure" capitalism is automatically demon spawn socialism. I suppose you would call George Washington a socialist given that one of the first laws that he pushed through Congress was a law that provided Federal funds to support the poor and needy in the District of Columbia? Damned Commie!!!!

By: brrrrk on 10/28/11 at 11:00

wataboutbob said

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." ... Winston Churchill

Think about that quote........ What Churchill is saying is that in a more socialist world, everybody has skin in the game, even the well healed.... no excuses, no special privileges. Consider the line that immediately followed the one above.

"In the present case, where an overwhelming majority of Service men and women would gain the blessings, can we not unite on the broad democratic principle of 'the greatest good of the greatest number'?" - Winston Churchill

By: wataboutbob on 10/28/11 at 11:41

brrrrk - good point.

(whatever it was)