Up for Debate: Dean considers Schools' budget

Monday, April 16, 2012 at 12:42am

Do you believe Mayor Karl Dean will be able to, or should, fund the proposed Metro Schools' budget?

79 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 10:04

Corporal punishment in the schools...it's not just for nuns anymore?

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 10:08

Speaking of nuns:


By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 10:11

Loner.. you'll have to channel those knuckle-rapping Nun's, to complete ''The Book Of Loner.''

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 10:13

Well with that, I guess we can expect a new twist on the magic underwear.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 10:15

Sister Mary Redemptia was the worst of the worse...I was a skinny kid...she threw me into a sheet metal enclosure for our heating radiator in the sixth grade...collapsed the sheet metal...cast iron radiator was under the sheet metal ...ouch!

Can't remember what I did to enrage the beast like that....probably late for mass that morning. That toss into the sheet metal went a little beyond the usual...even for our school....I was relieved to learn that we could not afford Catholic HS....the public schools actually saved my ass.

By: slacker on 4/16/12 at 10:19

Ben.. is the magic underwear washed in a magic washing machine?

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 10:26

Only if they stick when you fold them inside out and throw them at the wall.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 10:27

Berlusconi...billionaire tycoon....with a nun fetish...who knew?

Italy has a lot in common with Israel, Moshe Katsav, the ex-Israeli President, was convicted on rape charges and had to step down...we did not hear much about that in the US media....swept under the rug....Helen Thomas clued us in on why that might be so.

From Wiki:

Moshe Katsav (Hebrew: משה קצב‎, born Musa Qasab (Persian: موسی قصاب)) is an Israeli politician.[1] He served as the eighth President of Israel, a leading Likud member of the Israeli Knesset, and a minister in its cabinet.

The end of his presidency was marked by controversy, stemming from allegations of rape of one female subordinate and sexual harassment of others. Katsav resigned the presidency in 2007 as part of a plea bargain.[2] Katsav later rejected the deal with prosecutors and vowed he would prove his innocence in court.[2] In an unprecedented case,[3][4] on 30 December 2010, Katsav was convicted of two counts of rape,[5] obstruction of justice and other charges.[3][4] On 22 March 2011, in a landmark ruling, Katsav was sentenced to seven years in prison. Katsav appealed his conviction to the Supreme Court of Israel. On 10 November 2011, the Supreme Court affirmed Katsav's conviction and punishment, rejecting possibly exculpatory evidence.

Yeah, it would not be good for the "special relationship", if Americans knew how corrupt and/or perverted the Israeli government actually is....ergo, most Americans know nothing about Katsav's demise.....we all know about Bill Clinton's BJ....who knows about the Israeli President's conviction on rape charges?

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 10:29

Yes, Slack, I will be forced to channel those crows, in order to complete my book....I'll do it for mankind.....my cross to bear.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 10:40

Our nuns did not wear "underwear" per se....a simple leather chastity belt was all they required....the floors were so shiny in our little school, that, when the light was right, we could see under their habits, by way of reflection...the chastity belts were quite obvious.

Their habits were of black leather...they wore hi-heeled jackboots....a simple Harley drive chain served as their waist cinch...depending on how many vows they took, they would dangle chrome-plated sprockets off the main chain....vows like chastity, humility, poverty etc.

They wore leather fingerless gloves...some had the words L-O-V-E & H-A-T-E tattooed on their knuckles.

Mother Superior would ride in from Buffalo HQ to check on the nuns every once in a while...she rode a Harley Knucklehead. When she rode into town, even the priest took a vacation.

They were members of an obscure order: The Sisters of De Sade.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 11:01

I should add, as an addendum to my 11:27 post:


Katsav is the most high-ranking on the list and his crimes are among the sickest, IMO. The list looks like a rogue's gallery of A-holes. Are American politicians that bad? We have those "shared values", as they say.

From the source:

"Avigdor Lieberman – Israel's current foreign minister. Lieberman was convicted in September 2001, under a plea bargain, of threatening and assaulting a 12-year-old who had hit his son, and was ordered to pay the child a compensation of 10,000 shekels, and an additional fine of 7,500 shekels."

Avi Lieberman is still in power.... he is a former nightclub bouncer...nobody's bouncing his @ss....he's Netanyahu's right-hand man.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 11:17

Are American politicians as bad as Israeli politicians?


Considering our relative sizes, I'd say the US is pretty clean, compared with Israel, in this particular regard.

This is Protest Monday, once again...the Lone One will be on duty this afternoon....I just got great news from Jake in Albion, my postal Jeep is ready to roll....Jake had the machine all winter....full overhaul.....the somewhat notorious, highly venerated, "babe magnet" machine is Brushwood ready.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/16/12 at 12:16

Gdiafante.......I can only assume by your comment about "group" that you think the phrase "as a group" means 100%"

I have found that people interpret the written word through their own

By: dargent7 on 4/16/12 at 12:58

I did see Nemo "frolicking" in the new Cumberland Water Park on Sunday.
And I didn't even think he was gay.

Spanking: I see parents smack their crying child all the time, especially at Walmart.
The kid just doubles-down and gets louder. Embarrassing.
Positive and negative reinforcement, withdraw computer privledges, computer games, tv works the best. Ozzie Nelson swore by the format.
I heard the Menendez bros. where spanked by their father. Alot.

That quote, from June Cleaver, "Ward, I think you were a little hard on the Beaver", is a timeless classic.

By: dargent7 on 4/16/12 at 1:03

Hey: How about:
*The Secret Service prostitute sex scandal?
*The GSA government oversite's $835. million conferrence?

By: dargent7 on 4/16/12 at 1:04

s/h/b: $835. thousand. ( I'm still in shock the Red Wingfs lost).

By: brrrrk on 4/16/12 at 1:55

gdiafante said

"Rasputin, I'm all for paying good teachers what they're worth. Then again, a good teacher is priceless. And please, don't lump everyone in the same boat. That's something only the riff-raff would do."

It seems that in Raspies world it's perfectly acceptable to pay CEO's millions of dollars while they rape and pillage, leaving nothing behind but the shell of a company and thousands of unemployed..... but pay teachers a decent salary that might actually attract some real talent, well we can't have that.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 2:05

Brrrrk, those qualified to be outstanding teachers don't need the hassle. I don't blame them. Until we stop demonizing the entire profession, it's not going to change.

By: brrrrk on 4/16/12 at 2:30

gdiafante said

"Brrrrk, those qualified to be outstanding teachers don't need the hassle. I don't blame them. Until we stop demonizing the entire profession, it's not going to change."

Can't agree with you more. Long gone are the days when being a teacher was a respected profession. Nowadays teachers have to work within an environment where spoiled rotten kids are always right and the teachers are always wrong; getting little to no support from the parents. Is it no wonder that talented teachers are leaving the profession..... I would too.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 2:32

I've been thinking about going back to teach It's always been in my heart and I've got a serious gap in my early retirement plan with respect to health care if Obamacare is overturned.

In the state of TN if you put in 10 years you can get teacher retirement benefits including health care at 55. That or I might do my Masters and teach at Nashville State or something.

$40K starting salary for a 10 month contract for a BS in education degree is a pretty sweet gig considering the benefits. You'd have to do pretty well in an IT or Engineering program to beat it to start. Unfortunately the good teachers are not allowed to excel and advance over the crappy ones and can only get rewarded based on how many times they've punched the clock or for whatever online doctorates they've bought. That's a big problem with education today. Stupid ideal of egalitarianism sold on the promise of 'fairness'. That's why my Math Education degree just hangs on the wall gathering dust.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 2:42

Ben, I've actually thought about the same thing, believe it or not, but once I started pursuing my Masters, I switched to a corporate training emphasis. As I said, it's not worth the hassle.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 2:54

The fact that you can't move over laterally makes for some substantial inbreeding in the education community I think. Good highly qualified people can get out but other good highly qualified people can't get in without starting at the bottom. Pretty ridiculous but that's the way they like it.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 3:02

Had I gone in though I'd be @ 25 years now with a toot-and-toss doctorate or three knocking down about what I am now on a 10 month contract and would able to retire on defined benefit pension and benefits in about 8 years.

It takes a special person and a special calling but the rewards are certainly catching up with; and often surpassing, comparable private sector jobs now. Brrrrk want's to bloviate about CEOs salaries and the like but an apple / apple comparison makes it seem pretty fair... especially given the p*ss poor and declining results we now get from the system overall.

By: gdiafante on 4/16/12 at 3:10

Well, you can complain about CEO salaries and very generous (and usually undeserved) bonuses on Wall Street, but the reason teachers aren't paid very much in the public sector is because taxpayers don't want to pay them and government officials don't either.

Why, you ask? Well the taxpayers don't because they bitch about everything. They'd love to not pay taxes yet get all the benefits (police, fire, education) that they get now. That's human nature.

The government doesn't because that would take away the money for pet projects (which consist mainly of lining their pockets).

I'm not sure about the public sector catching up to the private sector, Ben. As I said, I was pursuing the option but it was pretty obvious that I would be taking a substantial financial hit, and the benefits, other than tenure, aren't all that anymore.

By: BenDover on 4/16/12 at 3:53

Yes gd... that was my point about there being no lateral job shift from the private sector into teaching.

It's just a form of protectionism that makes the teaching profession better by them not having to compete with anyone for their jobs. [ oh, wait ]

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 3:55

Ben, you would have made a great teacher.

By: Loner on 4/16/12 at 7:57

Or not.

By: thinking12 on 4/21/12 at 8:21

If having an unlimited source of money guaranteed an exceptional education then we would have it by now.
I am a taxpayer who would just like to see my "contributions" WELL spent. I don't see that now or in the recent past.
Parent involvement is so totally lacking -not all parents-but far too many. Schools are a place to send their kids for a few hours a day to get a break. When the parents don't take their child's education seriously then you know the kids pick up on this.
Metro needs to see ALL the factors that contribute to the poor results we are scoring in education and stop taking the easy way out by guilting taxpayers into higher taxes with out addressing these other contributing factors.
If parents got a bill for one year of education (about 1800.00 per student) that would be credited for every success their child had per quarter(an A in our rating system) so that at the end of the year they could owe nothing it might make a few parents step up! Or at the very least participate to an effective level in THEIR child's education-one of the building blocks of any life!

By: Jordan Riak on 5/24/12 at 10:53

When one punishes a child by striking him or her on the pelvic area, the act is referred to by a variety of humorous, benign-sounding names. There's no need to list them here. Everyone knows them. They are widely considered a normal part of child management. However, if one does exactly the same thing to someone older than 18, it's considered "sexual battery," which is a crime. And when a weapon is used in the process, such as a stick or paddle, it becomes an even more serious crime: "sexual battery with a deadly weapon." The message here for batterers who want to stay on the safe side of the law could not be simpler: restrict your dirty work to children.