Up for Debate: Dean's campaign backing

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 at 11:38pm

What do you think about the news that Mayor Karl Dean's campaign was the biggest supporter of a "grassroots" group touting his property tax hike, fair enough or disingenuous?


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By: parnell3rd on 7/25/12 at 9:51

Bottom line, he's a liar. He said when running for office "I'll step up to the plate and tell you that I will not raise your taxes" He does what all politicians do when running for office, they lie!

By: Captain Nemo on 7/26/12 at 4:30

We the people should repair our pot holes and fight our fires protect our own homes from thives. The hell with paying taxs.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 4:41

The circumstances of today are the prime reason to avoid raising taxes. Too many people are out of work and simply can't afford a tax increase.

Too many politicians can't seem to understand that. After all, they (or most of them) are paying their taxes.... aren't they?

By: dargent7 on 7/26/12 at 4:46

No taxes?
Ok, then when my Police scanner reports a 211 occurs at 1:30am I'll just run over to Mapco and check it out. I'll have 911 dispatch all calls to my house.
When grandma has a heart attack, I'll rush her to Vanderbilt.
If the house catches on fire, I'll get out the garden hose and my step ladder to put it out.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 5:11

The problem with that, yogi, is that when people can no longer pay their taxes, revenue decreases. When revenue decreases, the money has to be made up somehow.

States can only cut costs to an extent, then you start taking away from general services, and people complain (we have a whiny society, so they'll complain about everything).

Somehow, we've gotten into the notion that all taxes are bad and to hell with society, it's about the individual.

By: Ummm... on 7/26/12 at 5:19

A politician's campaign group supported that same politician's budget plan! What a shocker! I'm outraged! Meh...

By: Rasputin72 on 7/26/12 at 5:55

Karl Dean is a crafty slight of hand politician. He has all of the qualities that todays gimme gimme underclass and leeching citizens want. After the deal for the Bob Frensley property I would believe anything said negatively about Karl Dean.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/26/12 at 5:57

Gdiafante....You might want to read The Tennessean this morning. If you do not have a dollar to pay for it you can read the article about the Predators and fans wallets on the Internet portion of THE TENNESSEAN.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 5:59

There are times when the government can provide good services with a fair tax, gdiafante, but there are also times when government needs to hold back on their services to a minimal. And many people are short on money today. And too many don't even know if they'll have job tomorrow.

When you're unemployed and only getting enough money to pay for your housing and keep food on your table, an increase in taxes will take some of the food off your table, unless you'd rather move into a tent and only eat cornbread and beans.

Too many people that have a good job don't seem to understand what it's like to be broke and a tax increase is another devastation to your homes living atmosphere.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 6:10

I think you're saying that there should be some kind of government program to ease the tax burden of those who are unemployed...

Again, that would reduce revenue...the losses would still have to be made up in other places, be it budget cuts or increased taxes in other areas.

I understand those who think that government should be bare...infrastructure, police, fire and that's about it...but it's just not practical. Hell, infrastructure alone (to be where it should be) would require substantial revenue.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 6:18

Gee, Raspy, are you pontificating about how fan support equals revenue? Wow...what insight...no wonder you're so rich...

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 7:00

I understand tax revenue being required, gdiafante. And you hit one of those nails on the head with your first swing. Cut the budget.

The government should be like the individual and only spend what is necessary when the "lose their pay" when their income (taxes) goes down. The only thing the government seems to know how to do isget a pay raise (raise taxes) and too many elected into government positions feel like your parents, they must provide for you.
But, of course, with your money.

The more the government takes over for the welfare of the people, the more you're living in a socialist atmosphere and the next step from socialism is communism and that will hit you hard in one stroke when it hits you.

By: BigPapa on 7/26/12 at 7:01

"I understand those who think that government should be bare...infrastructure, police, fire and that's about it...but it's just not practical. Hell, infrastructure alone (to be where it should be) would require substantial revenue."

Yeah nobody wants a tax increase, but no body seems to be able to stomach budget cuts either. One man's Gov'ment waste is one man's job- contact-buyer, etc..

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 7:12

Yogi, we've had a combination of Socialism and Capitalism since Alexander Hamilton was given the green light in regards to his first report on credit.

The problem is that Reagan believed in big deficit spending, something which has since become the norm. Ironically, he did so to bankrupt the Soviet Union, in the long-term, it's bankrupting us as well.

I'm all for budgets that make sense. The problem is just as Papa said. Factor in extreme partisanship, and what we have are serious issues that no one can seem to agree on and to which the word compromise is considered a four-letter word.

By: govskeptic on 7/26/12 at 7:23

Dean only represents what has been going on in all forms of government
as our country and economy has grown. The larger these grow the more
funding required to satisfy each constituency, which leads to more demand
whether required or not. The fact it is out of control is well over the tipping

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 7:30


Most of the taxes of today are in the "robbing from Peter to pay Paul" system. There's nowhere in our Constitution that gives the government from using the government the authority to financially give Paul Peter's money to live on.

When 47 percent of today's people aren't paying any income tax, and 53 percent are paying for their welfare plus the government's operation expenses, it's got to come to an end somewhere down the road.

What' supposed to happen when that figure goes past the 50 percent mark?

By: Rasputin72 on 7/26/12 at 7:32

Yes, Gdiafante did you see the statement where the CEO says the Predators have never made a profit? Did you see the tongue in cheek reporting? Do you think that an organization with a reported no profit condition can absorb the cost of this contract and the contracts that will follow the precedent without raising prices?

You think I am negative about the Predators? You could not be further from the truth. I am against the city subsidy. I trust my judgement since it got me from where you are to where I am. It is not about the city of Nashville,it is about business. This exchange between you and I had to do with a raise in ticket prices which will have to come or to have every ice hockey player work for a minimum wage in order to to keep Weber.

The bottom line is all about money. The equation is simply, CAN WE PUT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SEATS AT PRICES THAT WILL ALLOW US TO AMORTIZE THE DEBT AND KEEP THE TEAM IN NASHVILLE. TO DO THAT WE MUST WIN GAMES THAT LEAD TO FAN RETENTION. I do laud the ice hockey owners for not being passive on winning like the Columbus,Ohio franchise.

I will continue to think business,business and more business. The owners do have an out and that is to sell the team at a modest profit most likely to an ownership that will want to move the team into a ice hockey market. Nashville is not a ice hockey market. It is a city of that is barely large enough to support a geographically minor sport like ice hockey. The article final message to me was, "It is a throw at the plate."

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 7:35

I've already posted information that debunks the "47%" myth. Now, I don't expect you to remember that yogi, so I'll summarize:

People that don't pay income taxes typically don't do so because they qualify for tax waivers because their income is very low or they are seniors. Tax waiver = tax cut. Just like what everyone is arguing to keep for the wealthy.

And this goes back to point I made earlier that everyone is out for themselves. You mention robbing from Peter to pay Paul, but when you deprive the needy of programs to help them in order to fund tax cuts to the wealthy, is that not the same thing?

What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander, huh? What should happen is that as a society, we all sacrifice something for the betterment of the country.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 7:38

Raspy, you need to understand the revenue stream in hockey. Profit is made in the post-season. Long playoff run = revenue. Yes, the Predators hockey club breaks even, but they earn their revenue through the arena.

That's the gamble they're making: Weber will keep the team competitive, which will drive attendance and result in long playoff runs/championship. It's really not that hard to understand.

By: slacker on 7/26/12 at 7:41

I don't think the Mayor needed to dip into his slush-fund dollars, for tax hike propaganda.
He knew he had the council vote in pocket.. and everybody has memorized the: ''for the children.. and public safety'' mantra.
Now.. the very expensive, 8 mile fancy-pants bus route.. is gonna take a lot of schoolin' to sell us tax- paying bots.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/26/12 at 7:49

Gdiafante.....First of all you have not debunked anything about the 47% pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX......Second of all,like most of the people who have to work for wages you have a very difficult time with the most important ingriedient in an entrepreneurs arsenal. "Does the risk outweigh the reward"?

By the way, I do think the owners are at risk, I think it is the fan base that is at risk.

Thirdly, Had I been one of owners I would have voted for the contract as well. There was more risk not signing him than signing him. Both were risks. The owners ace in the hole was what I posted earlier. They have equity and can get out without harm.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 7:52

It's been debunked by far more people than I, Raspy. Just because you choose not to believe it doesn't make it so.

Honestly, if you would have voted to match, then why are you bitching? It was a business decision that the organization and fans are ok with. Methinks you just like to complain.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 8:05


I'm no young chicken, and if "seniors" are exempt from paying taxes, why are they taking so damn much money out of my pocket?

Could it be to keep the youngsters in this society on the merry-go-round? I agree in helping your neighbor, but I resent the government telling me who I'm going to support.

When I see a young (or even a middle age) man in a market buying beer and expensive meat with welfare bounty, to say the least; it pi$$es me off.

And yes, I've seen men in both brackets.

By: BenDover on 7/26/12 at 8:13

I will be selling my house in the suburbs and buying some property in Williamson.

Nashville may not be in a death spiral but schools will continue to decline as they deal with the ESL issue and white-flight. Reform in a bureaucracy like Nashville is unheard of so they will attempt to continue to raise taxes to compensate where the value of the services provided are diminished and the costs continue to increase.

Economic growth will sustain home values for a while longer but even recovery will bring unchecked home seller competition in the form of new development (without an impact fee) so a Nashville homeowner is doomed to stagnate home values for the foreseeable future until liberalism runs its course here and destroys what's left of the city.

They'll cast a net around Belle Meade, West End and Downtown to protect those areas as a last resort but the other metro suburbs will suffer the fate of North Nashville, Antioch and the Nolensville Rd areas.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 8:13

I agree in helping your neighbor, but I resent the government telling me who I'm going to support.

So you don't want the government to tell you who to support...yet go along with it when they tell you to support the wealthy. Got it.

If that was truly your position, you'd be in favor of repealing the Bush Tax Cuts across the board as that is the government telling you who to support.

In fact, by paying your taxes at all, you're going along with it.

Maybe you should think about moving your money overseas...

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 8:13

It's just a contract, Rasputin72, and a contract is only a piece of paper with specific wording on it.

It just depends on how the wording effects either side of the table.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 8:19

I'm afraid my boat's too small to fight the waves of the seas. I don't want it to capsize. My life's vest is already soaked.

By: slacker on 7/26/12 at 8:26

To avoid taxes.. yogi invested his funds in a Swiss army knife.

By: BenDover on 7/26/12 at 8:32

I've said I'm in favor of repealing the Bush cuts across the board rather than just partially as they wish to do.

The Bush tax rates are MORE progressive than the Clinton rates were and they excluded a substantial number of people from paying any federal income taxes at all. I have always complained that they made out political situation less accountable not better.

Obama's cut on the social security tax really needs to go away because that system is already taking in less than it's putting out (which wasn't supposed to happen until 2017) and congress over the years has blown everything we put into it.

By: BenDover on 7/26/12 at 8:38

Saw Dinesh D’Souza's 2016 last night. I think he nailed it about Obama.

It's the only thing I can see that explains things like Obama's inexplicable cold shoulder to England and the slight of sending back the Churchill bust. When you look at Obama, not as a socialist, or a civil rights advocate; but with a world-view of an anti-colonialist with those things as just tools in his tool-chest it all starts to fit.

Highly recommend it.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 8:41

How did you know, slacker? You ain't never seen it. Have you? I know I don't show it too often because I don't want someone to steal it.

It will replace my gun when Barry let's the UN take it away from me. By force, of course.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 8:48

Dinesh D'Souza is good to listen to, which makes me wonder: Is Obama a racist? I see where he's creating a African-American educational office in the Department of Education. Why is he specializing a specific education office for black Americans?

Don't the white American children also deserve to be educated?

By: slacker on 7/26/12 at 8:54

Slackerdamus analytical skills are uncanny..yogi.
If you check your underwear you''ll find Higgs Boson.

By: gdiafante on 7/26/12 at 9:14

I see the tin-foil hats are being put on, which is my queue to go. Later.

By: Left-of-Local on 7/26/12 at 9:15

I am so SICK or these childish posts.

Facts to get over or go move to a deserted island:

- TAXES HAPPEN. Suck it up.
- Government runs off taxes. And is run BY politicians. Sorry. Get over it.
- People who promise not to raise taxes are making a foolish statement.
- Dean did that. He was wrong. You can't keep growing a city just with the cuts he made. Sucks to be him.
- Sucks to be a homeowner.

... except your dumb ass should have bought a small enough home that you could shoulder a tax increase. Maybe next time your greed for a big house will be more cautious.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 9:16

You've got the wrong guy, slacker. Mine says Fruit of the Loom. They're more comfartable.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/26/12 at 9:52

Rasputin comes across with his sligh of hand class warfare and bost of his grandure. He makes me laugh at his petty attempt for attention.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/26/12 at 9:54

Wrong yogi has dirty diapers.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/26/12 at 9:57

I will check out later. I'm on my way home from Cythiana, Ky.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/26/12 at 10:06

Captain Nemo....comes across as the reason I live in a gated community and pay for my grandchldren to go to private school.

By: Beernazi on 7/26/12 at 10:08

The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 10:09

Was that you smelling them, dumbo?

By: Beernazi on 7/26/12 at 10:09

Millions of Americans are not being told the truth that almost 90% of us pay taxes, and that much of the reason why there were fewer people paying federal income taxes in 2009 was that Barack Obama signed the largest tax cut in US history.

Since the truth undercuts the conservative’s reverse Robin Hood steal from the poor to give to the rich policy, they are going to do their best to keep the facts buried under a mountain of misinformation.

Anytime anyone tells you that half of Americans paid no taxes, do your country a favor and straighten them out. We have the facts. It’s time to tear down this talking point.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/26/12 at 10:59

Your grandchilren wil remain clueless, Rasputin-.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/26/12 at 11:01

So you finally admit you got dirty pants,yogi.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 11:41

Well, you said I did, dumbo, so presuming you know what you're 'talking' about I presume you did a little fart smelling. At first I thought it was just because your favored the odor.

By: yogiman on 7/26/12 at 12:18

A new report I've read about the Obama's love of the USA. It seems the Washington DC School for the Deaf made an observation that wasn't expected.

It happened when the flag was being custom folded by the Color Guard at the 9/11 Memorial Ceremony.

Michelle made the comment to Barack; "All this for a damn flag?" She leaned over to Barry and he smiled and nodded his head in agreement.

She's made too many boo boos on her "love" for this country.

Go to www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJqWMI0hch8&feature=related

By: Rasputin72 on 7/26/12 at 12:27

BEERNAZI....Try Google......."number of people who pay no federal income tax"

By: Beernazi on 7/26/12 at 12:39

Rasputin - try doing a little investigating past Google. You will find that the "47%" number is a falsehood.

By: Beernazi on 7/26/12 at 12:44

Rasp - you're getting about as bad about the 47% as yogi is about the dang birther conspiracy stuff. Both of you have been shown that your rants are not factual, yet you keep on with it, day in and day out.