Up for Debate: Dean's charter conundrum

Tuesday, February 19, 2013 at 1:47am

What do you think about Dean's position on the approval process of charter schools considering what it means for local authority?

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147 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 2/19/13 at 6:47

I suspect he is jockeying for a run at a higher office. How better to impress the party bosses by demonstrating how easily you can alter your rock solid but malleable core beliefs to suit the situation?

Another empty suit, in my opinion, who will have fleeced Nashville then moved on to greener pastures.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 7:13

Good morning, Nashville.

This is not a "conundrum"...this is not some kind of puzzling riddle.....follow the money, somebody is definitely on the take here....Dean is dirty....throw the bum out.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 7:45

"Charter School" is a euphemism for a non-unionized school...a scab labor affair....this is the major "appeal" of the concept...that and the fact that Christian schools can and do pose as "charter schools" . There is smoke and there are mirrors, but the illusion is not very convincing; this is a bold right-wing attempt to wreck the secular, integrated, unionized, public schools.....and Mayor Dean is part of the wrecking crew.

By: yogiman on 2/19/13 at 8:51

It's obvious charter schools are better than public schools in education of the children. Taking over the education of young children is the communist party's method of taking over a nation.

How many of you remember when each school decided what they were going to teach the children in their school? How many of you remember buy your school books from a privately owned bookstore.

And how many of you remember voting for a known communist for President of the USA before "Barack Obama"? And, yes, others in office before him have moved toward one world government through the United Nations.

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 8:55

Slow response this AM. As it pertains to money grabbing Dean, maybe too much guilt for those that got conned, big time, into voting for the crook the 2nd time.

By: gdiafante on 2/19/13 at 9:05

It's obvious charter schools are better than public schools in education of the children.

No, it's not.

http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/MULTIPLE_CHOICE_CREDO.pdf

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 9:10

gdiafante - Correct - but then look at the source of the comment, like that thing knows about education. :-)

By: govskeptic on 2/19/13 at 9:15

While not a particular fan of our Mayor, his position on this may not be a sinister
as some seem to think. It might just be that after looking at the Education problems
in this district for some time now, he is separating himself on this issue from his
Democratic Progressive friends who so love the status quo on this long failing issue.

I suspect he has a lot more information and many more discussions on this issue than 90% + than any others in making his decision.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 9:18

Yogi is proud of the quality education he received....when Yogi read the headline of this article, he thought that the topic was about condoms....or condominiums....so he covered both subjects by questioning the president's eligibility for the office.

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 9:20

gov. - Yes Karl does have a sinister interest as 1 of his wife's relatives is pushing the charter school agenda. Wish I could remember which one, but after all of the controversy, his name is hard to find.

By: gdiafante on 2/19/13 at 9:21

I haven't met one person that thinks the education system in this country is fine the way it is. What an asinine statement.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 9:30

Govskeptic is skeptical of Democratic Progressive governance; he is a lot less skeptical of Republican Conservative governance.

The scab labor aspect of Charter Schools is very attractive to people who have contempt for collective bargaining...people unfamiliar with the history of workers' rights in the industrialized era....ingrates who take workers' benefits for granted, ignorant of the history behind the benefit....the GOP uses those folks as useful tools....dupes.

By: yogiman on 2/19/13 at 9:38

At least I was educated on using common sense, bfra. It looks like you flunked that coarse.

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 9:38

Before Mayor Karl Dean made public comments scolding the school board in May over charter schools, a family relative who has ardently supported the controversial Great Hearts Academies application revised the mayor’s prepared remarks.

A series of emails from inside the mayor’s office about Great Hearts Academies shows that Bill DeLoache, a cousin of Dean’s wife, Anne Davis, was a key figure in unveiling Dean’s public support of the charter school application even as concerns began to arise about the proposal.

DeLoache has been involved in the charter school movement since the early 1990s.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 9:40

Coarse? Do you mean "course"?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 9:41

So much for your quality education, yogi.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 9:48

Bfra, this should refresh your memory:

Snippet:

"“We’ve organized an informal group to look at the possibility of creating a charter school somewhere in West Nashville that would have more of a mixed-income population than the charter schools that have typically started here in Nashville,” said Nashville investor Bill DeLoache, who is leading the effort.......DeLoache is a trustee of the Joe C. Davis Foundation, which assisted with the recent launching of the Tennessee Charter School Incubator. He is the cousin of Anne Davis, wife of Mayor Karl Dean. Also behind the West Nashville charter push, DeLoache said, is Townes Duncan, managing partner of Solidus Company, who serves on the board for KIPP Academy, a Nashville charter. (Duncan also chairs the board for SouthComm, The City Paper’s parent company.)" (End Snippet)

Source:
http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/possible-west-nashville-charter-school-would-have-mixed-income-focus

The NCP ran the article, by Joey Garrison, on November 8, 2011.

Looks like Deloache has come out of the woodwork once again....you may have to spray....Deloaches never go away...you gotta keep spraying, or they come back.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 9:53

I did the research and did not read your 8:38 post, Bfra, before posting my findings...Deloache is back....the Nashville "investor" has a vested interest, or so it would seem.

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 9:55

Loner - Thanks, I just took a chance & happened to find the article. Dean has never done anything that wasn't feathering his nest, one way or the other.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 10:00

Let the Joe C. Davis Foundation fund the Charter School proposal....this would give the charter school maximum freedom from governmental regulation....leave the taxpayers out of the loop....let the Davis Foundation fund its own dubious experiments in social engineering.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:00

Loner what happen to all of my and some of your is missing too.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:03

If NCP is filtering out the silly post, then that is ok with me.

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 10:04

Nemo - If they are filtering posts & leave anything of yogi's, something is wrong.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:06

Loner and I had some post about Raspy and that is gone now.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:11

Now I figured it out it was the other link. I will transfer it over;

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 7:22
If the State wants to run Metro school system, then the State should pay to run the District. However the way the States runs everything else, the School district will be ran to ground and the Fed will have to take over.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:11

By: yogiman on 2/17/13 at 11:30
Sadly, budlight, but the children born in the USA to illegal alien mothers are given American citizenship... by our congress.

People born in this country are Natural born citizens.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 3:13
dumba$$, you couldn't even pass a spelling test, let alone a test of intelligence.

Want to try one? Check on google or bing and take a test.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/26/13 at 3:33
I took the test yogi and a made a 100.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 7:30
I feel so humiliated, dumba$$, to get beat by an idiot as ignorant as you.

Your own word says I am smarter than you, yogi.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:12

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 7:46
Yes, Captain, you are smarter than the average bear...but, are you smarter than Boo Boo? Yogi's little sidekick was the brains of the dynamic duo...Boo Boo actually did Ranger Rick's taxes for him.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 7:52
Ranger Rick retired a rich man, because of Boo Boo.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 7:55
Speaking of Boo, Boos where is our dorky monk? He should be telling us how rich he wants us to believe he is by now.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:13

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 8:03
Warren Buffet routinely called Boo Boo for investment advice....Alan Greenspan reputedly relied upon Boo Boo's sage counsel.....Boo Boo was the "silent partner" in many financial deals...back in the 60's bears were not allowed to enter into legal contracts, so Boo Boo used proxies.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 8:10
The up for debate board is the usual gathering place....he'll show up there....and we already know what his schtick will be: Class Envy.....Contempt for the poor....personal attacks on the "simple six"...bragging about his fantasy life....same old tune...he's a zombie mad monk....looking for his lost organ....pathetic.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 10:14

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 8:12
Raspy old boy you don't even have a TV show.

6. You have to be narcissistic to be successful. Narcissism isn't linked to success. Self-esteem isn't even linked to success. So why do people make this association? It's partly because we think that self-admiration is always good, and it's partly because highly successful narcissists are highly visible, like Donald Trump and Paris Hilton. But there are plenty of people who are successful in those fields who we haven't heard of because they don't have their own TV show with "Money, Money, Money" playing in the theme song. They're just as successful; they're just not on TV.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/19/13 at 8:13
I am proud to be a simple six. It is not being yogi’s equal.

Now I have got the yogi-nees cleared up.

By: BenDover on 2/19/13 at 10:17

It's Egalitarianism vs. Excellence... it's giving the smart poor kids who cannot afford a private education a shot to excel rather than forcing them continue to listen on to teachers drone to their dim unmotivated classmates about multiplication tables and planetary orbits when the excellent students should be allowed to proceed on to pre-calc and physics.

Fairness dictates that we mire all kids in the same morass, I guess.

Survival and advancement of our society might benefit from alternative methods.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 10:21

The plot thickens..State Education Commissioner Kevin Huffman, is the ex-husband of Michelle Rhee, founder of Teach for America...Huffman became head of public affairs of the organization......Huffman, we can assume, would become the new state-level charter authorizer ....conflicts of interest seem to be OK with Nashville and TN voters....and this is the sad result....somebody is gonna get hosed here.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 10:21

Ben, do magnet schools fill that void?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 10:23

In recent years, major studies suggest that, on the whole, charter schools are producing worse educational achievement results than traditional public schools.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/12930/charter_schools_are_not_the_silver_bullet/

Plus, charter schools leave a lot of room for corruption.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 10:24

A smattering of headlines from across the country tells that story. “Nashville Charter Schools Blasted Over Racial Imbalance,” blared a recent headline in The Tennessean. “Charter Schools Face Discrimination Complaints,” read The Chronicle of Philanthropy. “Colorado Charter Schools Enroll Fewer With Needs,” screamed The Denver Post. “Charter Schools Enrolling Low Number of Poor Students,” reported The Miami Herald. The list goes on and on.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 10:29

Here's an interesting LTE from a school teacher:

I'm a fifth generation teacher. Education was a natural professional choice. After a few years teaching now, I'm not sure I would have made the same choice again - mainly for financial reasons.

Just for amusement the other day, I ran a student loan calculator. At my current repayment rate, I'll have my loan paid off in 28 years. I'd say that's a poor investment. Of course, I'll get it paid off faster - maybe 20 years.

We know the current disdain of teachers is fed by politics which has nothing to do with the importance of education, how well teachers are compensated, or how well we do our jobs. I know the teaching that happens in my school is far better than what I received not long ago. In math, writing and reading, work demanded today of students is much more challenging.

The real drive is to weaken one of the last largely unionized work forces in our country. The effort is to privatize education through more charter schools, dump pensions in favor of 401(k)'s to create more profit for Wall Street, and to continue increasing health insurance premiums. Even here in Wyoming, already a "Right to Work" state, Koch-like organizations advertised during the Super Bowl to attempt to take away continuing contracts, making all teachers "at will" employees. This effort narrowly failed.

The wealthy are behind this campaign to destroy the middle class, what's left of it. Education is just another market to squeeze profit from. This campaign is a distraction from huge income inequality in our country aided by continuous tax cuts for the wealthiest. It's a distraction from the dismantling of our economy through outsourcing. Teachers and students are just pawns in the game to increase incomes of the richest to new unprecedented levels. They would love to privatize all of the public schools, for profit of course.

Schools are just another place, as they have found, where there's some money left to extract in our country. Everything else has been squeezed dry by their greed. Let's add a few more standardized tests to the curriculum for good measure and the profit of the testing corporations.

Now, I repeat the Pledge of Allegiance each day. I'm certain that my understanding of those words is a little different from what the plutocrats' interpretation is.

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/education/03teacher.html?permid=50#comment50

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 10:29

Ben said: "Fairness dictates that we mire all kids in the same morass, I guess. Survival and advancement of our society might benefit from alternative methods."

The Fuehrer said, "Nature . . . puts living creatures on this globe and watches the free play of forces. She then confers the master's right on her favourite child, the strongest in courage and industry . . . The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf".

Ben's been reading Mein Kampf again.

By: BenDover on 2/19/13 at 10:36

Should the Robbin not fly because the Rabbit has no wings loner?

What is the utility in that?

I'm not suggesting we exterminate the Rabbit... I'm suggesting we let the Robbin Fly.

By: BenDover on 2/19/13 at 10:37

Robbin -> Robin

By: bfra on 2/19/13 at 10:41

Ben is really showing his true colors lately!

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 10:42

Let's face it, the Civil Rights Laws of the sixties were like a monkey wrench in the Southern educational machine....white flight to the suburbs and to Christian schools... and home-schooling resulted...a lot of the current Southern discomfort is related to forced integration in the 60's...that's when the Solid South flipped...it went Republican, the Great White Hope Party....the anti-guvmint party.

By: yogiman on 2/19/13 at 10:45

It depends on how you interpret the meaning of the word, B2. Shall we begin editing each other?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 10:48

yogi, please define "coarse." Do you need me to "italianize" it for you?

By: gdiafante on 2/19/13 at 10:49

Yeah blanket...you shouldn't be so course to our old troll...after all, he aced the Troll for Idiots coarse...roflmao...

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 10:55

Ben...you and the Rasp...."Let the Big Dog eat"....soul-mates.

Let the strong survive....eat or be eaten....competition strengthens the species....Darwin's Rules Rule.....it's natural law....the law of the jungle.

Some measure intelligence by math scores....some measure it by verbal scores....some measure it by rating artistic talent....some measure it by street smarts, because smart people can be gullible. Intelligence is not the same thing as wisdom. Intelligent people can and do have character flaws too.

Picking winners and losers in elementary school and educating them accordingly, is an idea fraught with danger.

Not to worry...the smart kids will go home from school, go online and educate themselves....teachers, leave them kids alone!

By: yogiman on 2/19/13 at 10:55

Sorry, dumba$$,

They are native born, not natural born. If they were natural born citizens,an illegal alien woman could come into the US, have a baby, take it back to her homeland, let that child come back to the US at age 20, live here for 15 years and become president of the good old USA.

The child will be given citizenship as a native born child. They also become citizens of their father's nation. The would have dual-citizenship and that is why your man Barry is not eligible for that office.

The only difference is his mother was an American citizen but his father was a British subject from Kenya.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/19/13 at 10:56

lol, g! Effing moron.

By: i.am.a.taxpayer on 2/19/13 at 10:56

This is about local control and state control. Local governments control what the state says they can control. This is a strange notion of a local government official suggesting that local government relinquish authority. Maybe that relinquishing should extend to things Mayors are authorized to control and just let the state take over that also.

By: BenDover on 2/19/13 at 10:58

Regarding your lte from the teacher, Blanket; his/her ire should not be directed at the corporate interests that wish to enter the education marketplace. He/She should look across the hallway and next door to the classrooms where, for decades, we have suffered increasing costs and diminishing results. He/She should look at the oh so typical administration that takes an increasingly larger portion of the school budget yet is unaccountable in its inability to add value.

Without the huge vacuum in the area of results oriented education there would be no call from the public to remedy the problem and there would be no private alternative.

The truth is schools in large municipal areas suck for a reason. Because it's the only justification a municipal government can use, aside from the growing police state, to convince taxpayers to ante up more money. It's "FOR THE CHILDREEEEN!" is the mantra and there's really no serious emphasis to increase quality... only to add more money to the machine and to use the continuing poor results to further justify more money in the future.

If you want results you reward results... but his/her honored teacher union fights that at every turn; and if he is excellent (competent even) and is honest he will realize that it's not the evil company offering an alternative to his services that is holding him back... but instead it is with the slacker teachers around him who are not getting the job done and who have learned to rely on a union crutch that doesn't require results; to which his fate is bound.

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 11:04

Snap Quiz: Who said this, George Washington, David Ben Gurion, (first PM of Israel), Osama Bin Laden or Adolf Hitler?

"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the creator."

By: Loner on 2/19/13 at 11:10

Ben used the term, "slacker teachers", I don't know how Slacker will take that snide remark...his character has been besmirched methinks.