Up for Debate: Discrimination in 'reality' shows

Thursday, April 19, 2012 at 11:48pm

Do the plaintiffs in the federal complaint filed against ABC raise a good point? Are "people of color" poorly represented on "reality" television programs and should those programs be expected to adjust accordingly?

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By: brrrrk on 4/20/12 at 2:17

yogiman said

"Yes, brrrrk, ever since. Its called welfare."

So the fact that blacks were brought to this country in chains, the fact that they were bought, sold and bred like cattle, the fact that the were killed if it was even suspected that they could read, the fact that their families were ripped apart, the fact that they were hunted like animals, the fact they they're entire cultures were stripped away from them, the fact that they were beaten and whipped for daring to objecting to their treatment..... all this is irrelevant. It's all their fault because they dared to be black.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 2:48

Alex Haley has spoken.

By: yogiman on 4/20/12 at 2:49

brrrrk,

Not one black American today has been held in slavery. You may consider to be in slavery to be in debt but that isn't manual slavery. Only their ancestors over a century ago were in slavery until they were freed. The black Americans of today are just that, black Americans.

I don't believe their ancestors invested enough time to earn continued interest payments.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/20/12 at 2:52

Moonglow1: All this talk about slavery abolished by The Christians. I thought the slave owners were Christian. Speaking of our Founding Fathers: weren't they Free Masons?

By: Moonglow1 on 4/20/12 at 2:57

Moonglow1: Slime-ball lawyers, slime-ball defendants, slime-ball reality TV & Pink Slime!! This characterizes the USA.

By: brrrrk on 4/20/12 at 3:02

yogiman said

"Not one black American today has been held in slavery. You may consider to be in slavery to be in debt but that isn't manual slavery. Only their ancestors over a century ago were in slavery until they were freed. The black Americans of today are just that, black Americans.

I don't believe their ancestors invested enough time to earn continued interest payments."

So says Bob Ewell.....

By: Moonglow1 on 4/20/12 at 3:02

Moonglow1: The five Romney boys who have never served their country "a day in their lives" along with their mother who has never worked "a day in her life:" those perpetual fake TV smiles would surely evaporate should they be drafted to serve in military combat!! And so would the fake homemaker smile of Anne Romney.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 3:07

Thanks for your service Moonglow. Which branch were you in?

By: brrrrk on 4/20/12 at 3:09

Moonglow1 on 4/20/12 at 3:02

"Moonglow1: The five Romney boys who have never served their country "a day in their lives" along with their mother who has never worked "a day in her life:" those perpetual fake TV smiles would surely evaporate should they be drafted to serve in military combat!! And so would the fake homemaker smile of Anne Romney."

As far as I'm concerned this is the worst.....

"So many minority youths had volunteered…that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like myself." --Tom DeLay, explaining at the 1988 GOP convention why he and vice presidential nominee Dan Quayle did not fight in the Vietnam War

So Delay actually blames minorities for his lack of service! What a piece of shit.....

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 3:19

I really don't think we should diminish anybody who adds value to society but those who serve the country in uniform should be held in especially high esteem.

I could see a housewife like Mrs. Romney adding value by managing the household and assuring her kids grew into respectful and productive adults is a service.

I'm not sure how organizing crack heads and welfare queens to march against whitey adds a lot of value to society though. Advocacy can sometimes re-arrange wealth but seldom adds to the whole; and often times does just the opposite.

What's Obama's other claim to fame before we promoted him to president?

By: brrrrk on 4/20/12 at 3:25

BenDover said

"I'm not sure how organizing crack heads and welfare queens to march against whitey adds a lot of value to society though."

Gee, imagine if Picasso painted with a brush that broad....

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 3:32

I don't think my brush span is as wide as you equating the plight of average black man in society today with Kunta Kinte being snatched up in a net by slave traders while stalking a gazelle in the Serengeti, brrrrk.

By: Moonglow1 on 4/20/12 at 3:44

Moonglow1: Perhaps Ben you could further explain what value the five Romney boys have brought to society? Do they actually work?

By: brrrrk on 4/20/12 at 3:44

BenDover said

"I don't think my brush span is as wide as you equating the plight of average black man in society today with Kunta Kinte being snatched up in a net by slave traders while stalking a gazelle in the Serengeti, brrrrk."

So, in your mind there is no such thing as white privilege? Everything that whites have today, and conversely what blacks don't have, is based purely on what? You tell me....

By: brrrrk on 4/20/12 at 4:00

Shit, there ain't a white man in this room that would change places with me. None of you would change places with me. And l'm rich! That's how good it is to be white.

There's a white, one-legged busboy in here right now... that won't change places with my black ass.

He's going, ''No, man, l don't wanna switch. l wanna ride this white thing out. See where it takes me.'' That's right, 'cause when you white, the sky's the limit. When you black, the limit's the sky!

Chris Rock

By: yogiman on 4/20/12 at 4:00

Are you old enough to remember the dropping of the draft, Moonglow1? The draft was dropped but the young men still had to register. They only asked for volunteers then and received a batch of young men (and a few young women) who volunteered. They haven't reinstated the draft for decades and the young Romneys were not required to "volunteer" to [make a name] for their family. Nor was you, unless you're an old fart older than I.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 4:05

I didn't say that brrrk. I called you on your earlier Alex Haley hyperbole and now I'll call you on your absolutist 'no such thing as white privilege' straw-man.

Yogi's right that LBJ's failed Great Society with its unintended consequence of destroying the black family is a far fresher and more intense detriment to the black community than the ancestral slavery or the bigotry and resentment suffered through the reconstruction and the civil rights eras; but there's a whole political class now dependent on convincing 1/2 of society otherwise.

If more people were taught that sure, it's not all fair; but you serve yourself and your family, and your community by persevering and triumphing over adversity rather than remaining mired in a constant state of discontent and angst at people who mean you no harm; well then the black community would advance exponentially in proportion to the decline in the non-value-added race-baiting industry.

Instead we have this negative divisive political battle screaming to young black men that the game isn't fair. Well people comply with the laws and moors of society to the degree that they believe them to be fair. Since no society can enforce an egalitarian ideal of equal results without tyrannical powers that always fail in practice; who does that ideal hurt most?

We work to offer equal opportunities but unless we can accept that results will never be 100% equal nor that any remedy can ever be immediate; then the people hurt most by the angst and disillusionment are the people the advocates (and presumably you) purport to want to help.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 4:10

Did I miss when you said which branch of service you served in Moonglow?

By: slacker on 4/20/12 at 4:13

An eclipse of the moon?

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 4:18

Slacker synchronizes...

By: slacker on 4/20/12 at 4:22

brrrrk, i'm assuming you're white. Did you achieve whatever success you have, through your effort, or was it handed to you because your'e white?

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 4:24

We split the 4:20 again slack. I figured you were going for the mark today.

By: slacker on 4/20/12 at 4:29

Ben, we hit it due to our white privilege.

By: slacker on 4/20/12 at 4:42

brrrrk, if you're living at the downtown homeless shelter, kindly disregard my post.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/20/12 at 4:51

Shut up yogi.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/20/12 at 4:52

How did you guys get on the subject of bestiality? I know it stays on yogi’s mind and lips.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/20/12 at 4:57

brrrk, you bring up some very interesting points about whites not wanting to be black. I think that is true of at least 99.5% of whites. Although if I could be born to be six feet nine inches tall and be able to play basketball I think I could tough it out with the money I could make in the NBA. The only caveat that I would like to carry along with me would be my ability to manage my resources.

By: Loner on 4/20/12 at 5:34

I missed the 4:20..but I'm catching up right now...think I'll light a campfire tonight...it was up to 80 here today... the old fire wizard in me needs some flame time...just opened a cold Vidal Blanc from a local winery...up on Ontario's shore....very crisp and clean....life is good.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 8:08

Lit a huge brush pile at a friend's house last night loner. It was fantastic. We must be channeling each other again.

By: yogiman on 4/20/12 at 8:23

May I make a suggestion, dumba$$? Drill a bigger hole in that thick skull you have and try reaching into it deeper and see if you can find a small portion of that glob that was once called your brain.

Good luck. I hope you find something in there.

By: parnell3rd on 4/20/12 at 9:24

So CaptNemo, you can call me a racist based on what? Facts. What makes you think I hate blacks? How can I be a racist when I married outside of my race?
When you libs get mad you start name calling.
I'm sure you would not be brave enough to speak to me like this in person.
I never said slavery was right. I said it continued after the civil war.
Here is another fact. Democrates voted against civil right until Pres. LBJ. And when he signed civil rights into law he said and I quote "After I sign this into law we'll have the blacks voting for us the next 200 years.
Just because you are ignorant (meaning: lack of knowledge) of facts does not make you right.
So why don't you take a chill pill before your head explodes from hate. Because in your heart your probly a racist.

By: parnell3rd on 4/20/12 at 9:28

Yogi is about the only person here who makes any sence at all. I can agree with some of your other thoughts at times. But since it seems most enjoy the 4:20 breaks too much.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 10:29

Whew doggies... Yogi's got a new fan!.... Tell 'em 'bout the birth certificate Yogi...

By: yogiman on 4/20/12 at 10:58

Which one, BenDover; or are you talking about the one Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. Barack Obama) doesn't have.

Thanks for the comment, parnell3rd. Dumba$$ (a.k.a. Capt. Nemo) and others on this site have also called me a racist because I oppose the usurper illegally sitting in the Oval Office because of his race as they claim. Yet the only reason they have given for voting for him is his race. I say it must be because of his race because they don't even actually know his name or where he was born.

There is many facts that have been brought forth in the situation but they still think of him as their president.

By: BenDover on 4/20/12 at 11:35

Well Yogi, I have to admit I've not given your position a lot of thought because it's my belief that Obama should go down for having a flawed left-wing philosophy that's harmful to the country rather than on some technicality about his well guarded and, frankly, sketchy history and associations.

I for one will have the most hearty belly laugh of all of recorded history if it's ever revealed that you were right about this stuff all along my friend. With the adeptness of the Media to spin and rewrite history even as it happens, I'm surely not holding my breath about that happening anytime soon though.

By: yogiman on 4/21/12 at 12:33

Hang in there, BenDover. As I have stated in the past; time will tell. And they way things are going today, it isn't going to be long in the future.

I wish I had as much knowledge about these damned machines as most of the other posters on this site but I had too many years gone by when they brought them into the living rooms. I simply don't know how to pass some of the information I have gotten through ignorance of the use of a computer.

Because the people can't see where Barry is taking this nation, I sympathize with them for their ignorance but the known facts about him, and his actions, are telling it like it is.

If he is able to re-usurp the office this year, or keep it through martial law, you can kiss the USA goodbye. The man is a Muslim and a communist.

And your speaking of his "going down for having a flawed left-wing philosophy" is really immaterial. If everything goes in a legal way and he is beaten in November (which I doubt [illegally]), that would mean he was accepted to be officially in that office legally and every law that has been illegally passed, or executive order he has issued will be considered legal. Then its Katie bar the door.

By: parnell3rd on 4/21/12 at 7:37

Yes Yogi the oblunder administration will go down as the most corrupt passing Nixon and the most inept passing Carter.
Heck we all know Pres. Obama never stepped foot onto the Continental US until he went to college. Paid for by who? What were his grades? But allegedly leaving Hawaii and moving to Indonesia.
And about being attacked by people like cpl klingon, they don't bother me.

By: yogiman on 4/21/12 at 8:08

He'll go down only if Congress doesn't allow him to become dictator by martial law, parnell3rd. And they allowed him to take the office over when [I would think] they knew he wasn't eligible.

I'm afraid there is many communist in congress today going by the names of the Democrat and Republican parties.

By: Loner on 4/21/12 at 8:26

Parnell sez, "Yes Yogi the oblunder administration will go down as the most corrupt passing Nixon and the most inept passing Carter".

Carter was inept?

President Carter succeeded in getting Israel and Egypt to sign a peace treaty at Camp David...the treaty still stands...he did more to defuse the Arab-Israeli conflict in 4 short years than all the other US Presidents have done collectively since 1948.

As for Tricky Dick's corruption...we share common ground there...but LBJ may have been worse...LBJ may have been complicit in the murder of JFK; if so, you just can't top corruption like that....as it stands, LBJ's whitewash of the USS Liberty incident proves just how corrupt the man actually was....he easily rationalized murder....he was a thoroughly despicable human being, IMO.

By: Loner on 4/21/12 at 8:31

Parnell, I would have bet that you would list Abe Lincoln's administration as the most inept and corrupt ever...you are holding the torch for the Confederacy, right?....bless your heart.

By: yogiman on 4/21/12 at 10:26

Correct me if I'm wrong, Loner.

Recalling history in my youth, I remember Lincoln originally intended to send all slaves back to Africa after they were freed. Was that because he was actually a racist or just against slavery as one man's ownership over another?

As you may recall, the freed slaves didn't get their citizenship until the passing of the 14th Amendment, which is what many people today are seeing as the amendment that makes Barack Obama eligible for the office with a Kenyan father... which it isn't.

Want a good Saturday morning show? Go to youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

By: Rasputin72 on 4/21/12 at 10:50

Can you imagine the turnoil in Africa if Lincoln had lived and sent the Americanized black slaves back to Africa? I think this would have made the dissension between the haves and have nots in this country look like nothing more than a high school debate.

I can imagine bewilderment by the natives as well as the Americanized black slaves.

By: yogiman on 4/21/12 at 12:18

I agree, Rasputin72.

History is being made constantly 24/7 and we never really know how every hour's event will affect it.

"What if" has been a tricky question of "reliving" history. What would this world be like today "if"...?

From what I've read in history, most of the people who became black Americans on the 14th Amendment didn't want to go back to Africa. They didn't want to go back and maybe be re-captured by other black Africans and sold again to other slave buyers.

And as many of the slave owners made a "contract" with a slave when they bought them. They could work their "contract" out and become free at the end of it. Most of them then took a "new deal" and stayed on the plantation on a 'share crop' basis.

By: BenDover on 4/21/12 at 1:43

That was Monroe, wasn't it. Set up Liberia I think or I may have it wrong. I think they were about as welcome as the Jews returning to their homeland.

By: parnell3rd on 4/22/12 at 10:25

Loner I agree on Nixon. I still say Carter is inept. I forgot how much a racist LBJ was. Thanks for reminding me. And how can we forget Jackson, he hated everyone!
Lincoln, hhhmm was he not a republican?
What about all of the laws we passed against the Chinese?
And now your about to call me a what? With your reference to the Confederacy.
I was born, raised, still live in Nashville, TN.
I took an oath to the United States of America to defend "all of us" from all enemies ,foreign and domestic.
What have you done?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/22/12 at 3:33

PARNELL3RD..........LONER is just a guy who like to post. He has been a government worker all his life. A jolly fellow with not much substance.

By: yogiman on 4/22/12 at 5:52

I must take offense to your comment about Loner's employment, Rasputin72. I'm also an old retired federal employee with 38 years of service. But then, I had to have a little more education on my job than he did for hauling mail through the snow.

By: Loner on 4/22/12 at 9:21

You assume too much Rasputin.

As for what is required to make the grade as a Rural letter Carrier, let me just say that it's tough enough to get into the US Postal Service, it's even tougher to stay in. I made the grade. Now they pay me not to come in...what a country!

By: Loner on 4/22/12 at 9:34

And one more thing, Parnell, I did serve honorably in the US Army 1967-69....I took the same oath....no expiration date on that pledge.

By: BenDover on 5/8/12 at 6:45

He's a bit blinded by his biases, as we all are I guess; but my friend Loner loves this country to a high degree; very unusual in today's America. You dismiss the lone one and his prescient polemics; but they are a welcome addition to this debate. Your knee-jerk dismissal of them is a consequence to you not him.

As for substance, Raspy, best I can tell the ball is in your court not Loner's. Your head seems to be screwed on right but you don't get past first base yet in sharing your opinions in a way that can engage someone not already on your team.