Up for Debate: Fiscal proposals

Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 12:33am

What do you make of the latest proposals and back-and-forth particularly between the U.S. House GOP and President Barack Obama over a plan to avoid the "fiscal cliff"?

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182 Comments on this post:

By: parnell3rd on 12/5/12 at 9:05

treehugger7, look in the mirror and you will die laughing!!!!

By: parnell3rd on 12/5/12 at 9:07

yea, loner you preach class warfare, comminism, and socialism. Like that has ever worked.
if you all believe in raising taxes, just take an extra 10% and give it to me!

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 9:07

No amount of reason will penetrate Yogi's cell walls...he is a prisoner of his own dementia, Bfra....all we can do is ignore the sick fellow, as he rots in his self-made, self-imposed imprisonment....it's annoying, I agree, but it is also very sad to witness his public display of madness and phobia.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 9:08

p3 - I'm sure treehugger7 gets enough laughs just reading your comments.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:09


Going back to your 6:59 post, the only thing that isn't normal is idiots like you who will accept any person who walks into the White House as their president regardless of who they are.

Damn, idiot, Let's ignore the fact he isn't a natural born citizen as required by that book we use as our secondary Bible. You know, its called our Constitution. Don't you even want to know if he's an American citizen? What if he's still an Indonesian citizen? What if he attended school here as a foreign student? What if his name is still Barack Soetoro? What will you think when he is found to be in that office illegally? Will you feel like the idiot you've proving yourself to be now?

The simple question is: Why doesn't he save millions and prove who he is.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 9:11

Loner - You are right & it is annoying to see lies posted everyday 24/7 by the trolls.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 9:11

Yeah, Parnell....Karl Marx and I went to parochial school together...we had the same nuns...Sister Mary Proletaria was our favorite...she took the lunches from the rich kids and gave the food to us poor kids....we loved her.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:15

I'm gay, bfra? Yep, I'm having a gay old time proving how stupid you and your fellow Obaba loving posters are. But homosexual? You don't want to try me out. I love intelligent women and I guess that leaves you and your fellow posters out.

By: BenDover on 12/5/12 at 9:18

I say let it revert back to the Clinton rates. They were less progressive than the Bush rates and a majority of workers were paying some federal income tax and thus had a vested interest in the cost of government.

If Obama wants to run it into the ground based on his ideal of further punishing success in this country then so be it.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 9:18

yogi finally got something right, NO yogi I don't even want to be near anywhere you are or have been, the stench would be too nauseating.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 9:20

And Ben adds his 1/2 cents!

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 9:21

Actually, a straight, across the board 10% cut in federal spending and a straight, across the board, 10% increase in all federal taxation is exactly what the doctor ordered....but the quacks out there are claiming that the doctor lied...."we don't need no steenking austerity".....both the Dems and the GOP are consulting their own quacks...nobody wants to deal with the grim realities....quacks make their money off of delusional people like our elected officials....Congress remains in denial.

Some folks are pulling their assets together and hunkering down for "the cliff"...a run on the banks could happen...the Christian media are also spreading cliff-related panic across the fruited plain.....and gun nuts are buying more ammo.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 9:32

Raspy old boy are you richer than Warren Buffett?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 9:36

It is 8:07and p3 is still fluttering about nothing.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:38

I disagree, parnell3rd, They'll die drying when the facts come out.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 9:44

Is the Jack Russel the dog you lick or do you lick all your dogs equally, yogi?

By: BenDover on 12/5/12 at 9:45

I don't think the 'fiscal cliff' is as bad as they say because I believe we have reached a point of diminishing returns on deficit Keynesian spending. I think what has the economy stove up is not a lack of more useless federal spending; but by Investors and Business spooked by growing deficits and underfunded future entitlement commitments who are acting super-conservative with their resources because they don't know where all of this is going to land.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 9:45

I bit p3 has a little bitty annoying laugh.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/12 at 9:47

yogi how does one die drying?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 9:51

yogi, what happened to the pre-election martial law that you said would take place?

By: budlight on 12/5/12 at 9:54

Loner, you seem to be old enough to retire. Are you? If so, have you filed for your social security retirement check yet? Since you don't think it's valid for others to draw theirs, maybe you should donate it to a charity. Or to some person who does not have a good income.

You "people" are quick to make fun of others. Shows me that your upbringing was sort of flakey. You were not raised to be kind to those less fortunate than yourselves. Kind of mean spirited.

Yesterday I passed by some folks who were evicted from an apartment. The scavengers were all around trying to grab the stuff and run. The young kids (about 19 years old) who got evicted were trying to guard their "stuff". I stopped and gave them huge plastic bags to put stuff in to keep from being drenched. The sheriff's dept. let 1 of the kittens get lost when they tossed everything out. We finally got a trailer and put their stuff (all worth about $1000 or less) in storage. All mattresses and fabric furniture was soaked by rain. Long story short: Our country is in such a decline in every way. Most of the scavengers who were seeking to grab the free stuff did not speak english and probably have jobs at McDonalds - illegally.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:54


What do you and your fellow posters think about the Egyptian Foreign-Service Official's statement about Obama claiming to me a Muslim? Was he lying?


By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:58

I pet them on the head like I would you, dumba$$. I consider their human intelligence like I do yours... null and void.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:03

yogi, what happened to the pre-election martial law that you said would take place?

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:06

Bud out there moving mattresses & furniture (if her latest saga even happened) & drawing SSI. Isn't SSI for disability?

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:09

Blanket - yogi & his trash sites also predicted there would be no election. Obama would take over before that happened.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:10

He can't admit that he's wrong.

By: Moonglow1 on 12/5/12 at 10:14

Moonglow1: As expected the dumb Tea Nuts control the Republican party and have allegiance only to their wealthy handlers.

As an aside these idiots also blocked the UN sponsored disabilities act for veterans whom they profess to love. This act was endorsed by 50+ countries and Bob Dole came to Congress in a wheelchair expecting it to pass. But no, the Tea Nuts blocked it.

The Tea Nuts and their wealthy donors should be arrested for treason and locked up in Guantanamo with the terrorists.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:18

Amen on that Moonglow1!

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:28

If it is marked, "Made-In-UN", it is UN-acceptable to the uber-nationalistic right-wingers who have hijacked the Party of Lincoln and Eisenhower...the Tea-baggers think that the term, "UN", is a prefix, not an acronym.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 10:29

Where did I say pre-election martial law, B2? Was I talking about Egypt? The Egyptians are raising hell now over Barry's buddy dictator's takeover.

Check www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/brutal-photo-of-the-day-protesters-in-egypt-slam-obama/

Interesting. Why are they blaming Obama?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:29

Back to the topic at hands....

I'm no fan of John Boehner but I would hate to be in his shoes right now.

By: Adman on 12/5/12 at 10:33

I still think this whole issue is a tempest in a teapot to distract us from the real problem. We are currently running deficits of roughly $1.5 trillion per year. Over 10 years that means our debt will increase by $15 trillion or basically it will double. If we give Obama his way and allow the tax rates on the highest incomes increase, by Obama's estimates it will raise $160 billion a year or $1.6 trillion over 10 years roughly 10% of the additional debt we will be piling on.

My idea is to let Obama have his way, and when it becomes apparent that it doesn't solve the problem or in fact the problem gets worse, then there is a reasonable argument to do something different. The issue as I see it is that Obama and the democrats need to be made to "own" what is happening with the economy.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 10:35

Another interesting show, B2. I hope this judge Lewis in Florida doesn't back off like all others before him. I understand this case is coming up before affirmation next month. Let's see what happens.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:37

Bawling Boehner deserves no sympathy, in my opinion....none of our federal officials deserve any sympathy...the Super-Committee was a super-failure and the media barely mentioned their gross ineptitude at the time....the "fiscal cliff" was not a major campaign issue, as I recall....the whole country is in denial, it seems....we should have done something before now...it may be too late to avoid the cliff...better step on the gas and get some air......yee haw!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:40

Adman, both sides need to own what's happening. That's the problem.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 10:42


You die drying when you cry so hard. The water (tears) evaporates coming out of your body.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:43

yogi it's hard for you to remember all the lies you have posted but you did post them, so get over yourself. lies come back to bite you in the but every time

By: BenDover on 12/5/12 at 10:45

Adaman, I don't think that can happen because they own the perception creation machine. The media and the schools are in their pockets; sympathetic to their cause and activists in advancing us toward a Western European ideal of social, economic and cultural enlightenment.

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:46

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 9:42


You die drying when you cry so hard. The water (tears) evaporates coming out of your body.

Perfect example of yogi's stupid mantality!

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:47

Sorry! That should be mentality, yogi certainly has to mantality.

By: Loner on 12/5/12 at 10:49

Hey, if all the sore-loser, right-wing, employers all decide to lay off 10% of their workforce, as the national bus sails over the cliff, their dire predictions of another economic meltdown will certainly come to pass...the rich folks can weather the economic storms they create....us regular folks are not so blessed....it could get nasty.

But the NFL Playoffs & the Super Bowl will distract the masses, as the bus gets air....panem et circum.

By: budlight on 12/5/12 at 10:50

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 9:06
Bud out there moving mattresses & furniture (if her latest saga even happened) & drawing SSI. Isn't SSI for disability?

Hey bfra, are you stupid or what? I am on social security retirement. RETIREMENT - not disability. The disability ends when a persons turns 66 years old. So I was on disability for one year and then it ended. Are you stupid or what? I bet you are not old enough to collect any ss retirement. You are probably paying into it, not because you want to but because it is the LAW, STUPID. You pay into it if you work whether you want to or not.

BUT in your case, there ain't gonna be any funds left to give you your money back. I'm happy to say, I'm getting my money back.

And no, I didn't MOVE any furniture. But I'm leaving home now to go pay for the storage unit for someone I never met before last night at 5:30 p.m. She asked me why I stopped and helped. I told her that is what Christians do. They help those in need.

Now BFRA go look for someone to help besides your own selfish self.

By: yogiman on 12/5/12 at 10:51


Where did I say "would" be a martial law. I could have said "could" be, but not would be.

And bfra, how can you have an "election" when the person "elected" is not legally eligible for the office he's running for?

Are you saying Vladimir Putin can come to the USA and run for the president's office if he just says he was born in the USA? Wake up, kid.

By: BenDover on 12/5/12 at 10:52

Obamacare alone will suppress employment gains by at least 10% Loner.

We also have yet to wage-inflate our way out of the damage the last minimum wage increase did to rural America. That turned out to be some REALLY bad timing right there.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:54

"Obamacare" is already paying for itself, Ben. I posted this a while back - millions of dollars of medicare fraud has been recouped since that portion of the law went into effect earlier this year. Do you want me to post it again?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/5/12 at 10:54

Ben, your memory and repetitiveness is almost as bad as yogi's.

By: BenDover on 12/5/12 at 10:56

Here you go Loner


By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:58

bud - Hasn't been that long that you posted about getting SSI. You really heal fast!:-)

By: bfra on 12/5/12 at 10:59

Blanket - So are Ben's comments.