Up for Debate: Harwell opposes arming teachers

Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 1:40am

What do you think about House Speaker Beth Harwell's comments regarding arming teachers and moving forward on gun bills in the Tennessee General Assembly?

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142 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 12/20/12 at 4:56

Are we going to offer intensive training preparing teachers to stand calm and return fire while they are being fired upon? Can we be sure they will put this training to use instead of, as the Sandy Hook teachers, trying to shield their charges?

Despite what so many who bluff and bluster declare, "I'll take my shootin' iron an' plug the varmint 'tween their beady little eyes," unless they have been in the situation, no one knows how they will react under stress. (I had a loud mouth student who knew everything, and was prepared for everything until we had an emergency during a flight when he froze up and became useless. I had to strap him in the web seats and take over.)

I can see more potential problems than solutions with arming teachers.

By: govskeptic on 12/20/12 at 5:03

All 6 adults killed in Newtown were females. I don't see any of those ladies having
the fortitude to pull a gun and shoot this young man. As to Tenn. and the nation
the number of incidents like this, while all tragic, are still very rare in a nation of
over 300 million. There's no reason to panic and start adding any additional
arms whether teachers or paid law enforcement into 99% of the schools.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 6:14

I don't see any of those ladies having the fortitude to pull a gun and shoot this young man.

Right. The Principal, unarmed, lunged at the lunatic but she wouldn't have the fortitude to pull a gun. What a ridiculous statement.

I agree with Harwell, but not because of gov's misogynistic BS. I agree with it because if a situation should arise, teachers first priority should be getting the children out of harm's way, not playing Dirty Harry.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 6:15

Good morning, Nashville.

Ms. Harwell is AGAINST arming the teachers...they'll take away her Tea-bag festooned hat, if she continues to show a modicum of common sense....Harwell's constituents are noty nearly as reasonable as she suddenly seems to be....her embrace of comon sense puts her on thin ice with the baggers....she could be targeted.

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 6:19

It is known not all are pro-gun inclined. To add a required course in firearm training for many teachers to get their license I imagine we would lose many good people who love teaching children; especially women.

There's many positions in a school and I'm sure they have well qualified gun users and I'm sure many of them would welcome the opportunity to "have a gun handy" who could have stopped the young man. I can't recall a [team] of killers entering a killing spree.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 6:27

The Republican Party has been in bed with the gun lobby since Tricky Dick flippped the solid south....you lie down with dogs and you get fleas....the GOP has become infested with blood-sucking nuts, red-necks and A-holes. Time for the GOP to take a flea bath....or slowly bleed to death...or better yet, turn their guns on themselves.....good riddance.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 6:38

Letting the ban on assault weapons expire is another dubious accomplishment of Bush & Cheney. They were performing a fee for service to their paymasters at the NRA.

Bush and Cheney were asleep at the wheerl on 9-11...they responded with the Patriot Act....then, they started two expensive, elective, holy wars...finally, they ran the ship-o-state aground economically, before riding off into the sunset, snickering and laughing.

It may take decades to repair the harm done by the Republican Party....some damage, like that in Newtown, CT, can never be repaired.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 6:52

Stopping the manufacture of new assault weapons is not going to end the problem...there are about 300 million guns in the US... in a land of 300 million people...,.no other nation comes close to us in this category....,no other nation experiences the number of guns deaths the we have become accustomed to.

It's time to round up the guns...all of them...no more Sandy Hooks! Those Americans who cannot live w/o their guns can be deported to some hell-hole, where they can shoot til their hearts are finally content,

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 7:04

Pardon my typos...this lap top has no spellchecker....I'm still in Atlanta...posting from my hotel.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 7:05

Well, you'd first have to abolish the 2nd amendment, Loner. Good luck with that. It'll never happen. Nor should it.

But that's all you hear...if you even hint that certain weapons should be illegal, it means you want to take all the guns. Do people not understand how government functions? How difficult it is to amend the Constitution?

Notice that gun sales, NRA membership, all spiking after the CT shooting. This country is full of hysterical, scared sheep. Maybe it's because of the Mayan calender or maybe it's because we're just not a bright country.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 7:14

I think Harwell is a caring and thinking person. This are the thoughts of a leader and someone not willing to react to any knee jerk response. I feel better that she is house speaker.

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 7:15

So what do you call you fellow Democrats, Loner, Obama's fellow communists?

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 7:17

The original Bill of Rights contained 12, not 10 amendments..,.there is nothing sacrosanct about the ten that passed.....there is a Biil of Rights amenedment that bars the government from quartering soldiers in people's homes, for example....the 2nd amendment was put in place BEFORE we had the Pentagon and our standing army and navy...it's original purpose is no longer valid.

The 2nd Amendment is a danger to individuals and to our union of states.....the Great Secession was a 2nd amendment-related tragedy....the South intended to destroy the duly elected government of the US, by way of force of arms...the South opted for the "Secnd Amendment Solution".

This obsolete anachronism has to go....Completely....NOW.

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 7:20

Just wondering, Loner. How are you going to react when your man Barry starts his war? Oh, he didn't start it, the nation we're fighting did.
And you being a anti-gun veteran makes me wonder what service you was in.

By: parnell3rd on 12/20/12 at 7:22

Loner is drinking essprsso and speading propaganda early this morning.
How well are gun free zones working?
Will taking away all the guns in the world stop Murder?
Do the cities with strict gun laws have more crime? Yes.
Once again Pres. Obama has become the #1 gun saleman. By spreading fear!
And has Pres. Obama ever gone into Black, Hispanix,Asian neighborhoods reciting the names of Children who have died by gun violence? No. Is that because he is a racist?
After the London riots, their gov't wanted to ban baseball bats. They allegedly have no guns. People were useing baseball bats for protection and the crimanal's complained.

By: parnell3rd on 12/20/12 at 7:22

Yall have a great day, the President is keeping me busy!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 7:26

Ask01 and govskeptic bring out reasonably thoughts on the situation and I agree. However I am not in agreement with the gov, as to teachers not having the fortitude to use guns. I think their first priority would be save the children and get them to safety first. But I was not there and I have no way of knowing what she was thinking.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 7:29

Harwell is not a Tea Bagger Loner. She is a intellectual and nothing like Ramsey.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 7:32

What is keeping you busy p3, is the NRA propaganda and inflaming the paranoia screwballs like you. Now go make your profit for your masters at arms dealing.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 7:41

That's funny parnell. Obama is only repeating what a majority of Americans are thinking.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/19/cnn-poll-bare-majority-now-support-major-gun-restrictions/?hpt=hp_t2

If people are fearful, it's because they recognize a society gone mad. Literally. Here's what we do know: undiagnosed mental illness combined with easily accessible guns equal tragedy.

So what's your answer? Let's do just what we're already doing except one thing...let's put guns in the hands of everyone!

Hell yeah, the grand old USA will be crazier than Dodge City on a Saturday night...yee haw!

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 7:47

The times they are a changin'...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/20/cnn-poll-are-gop-policies-too-extreme/?hpt=hp_t3

a slight majority of Americans sees the Republican party's policies and views as too extreme, a first for the GOP, and fewer than a third say they trust congressional Republicans more than President Barack Obama to deal with the major issues facing the nation.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 7:48

That must really piss parnell off...lol

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 7:48

That's good news, g.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 7:49

The witch from Wacky Do, Antioch, was busy brewing her tails of lunacy yesterday. Since being a lonely child with no real friends, she manufactures them in her head. Now being a lonely old troll, she finds it easy to conjure up people and events to match her demented mind.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 7:50

St. Petersburg police say 52-year-old Michael Jock was waiting in line at a Little Caesars on Sunday when another customer, 49-year-old Randall White, began complaining about the slow service. The men exchanged words, which turned into a shoving match.

The Tampa Bay Times reports that Jock pulled a revolver and shot White in the lower torso. The two struggled and White was shot a second time.

Jock, who has a concealed weapons permit, told officers he was justified under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force if they believe their lives are in danger.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/20/man-shot-during-pizza-restaurant-argument/#ixzz2FbGGTgBW

Yeah, responsible gun owners with a legal carry permit.

By: StephenII on 12/20/12 at 8:06

What about the 329,000 innocent babies that Planned Parenthood Murdered this Year alone?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 8:06

The NRA is boasting that they are getting new members every day since the shooting. Now I ask is this true or is it just a marketing ploy? One report I heard on the radio yesterday was 8,000 a day.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/nra-membership-has-increased-newtown-shootings/60185/

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 8:10

Another law-abiding gun owner snapped, eh Bn? This is a familiar pattern...that or somebody steals their guns and goes nuts. When a gun nut kicks the bucket, his arsenal can and often does fall in to the wrong hands.

Getting 2/3 of the states to OK doing away with the 2nd amendment is functionally impossible. If the will of thre American people, not the will of 50 states, counted for anything, the 2nd amendment would go the way of Prohibition.

Thre North should have realized the connection between the Great Secession and the 2nd amendment and done away with the dangerous notion, while the treasonous South was not in attendfance in Congress. They missed a golden opportunity to correct the Founder's mistakes.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 8:12

That's a straw man, stephen. Pay attention.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 8:15

Loner, that was just reported today. It's not like I had to look for some obscure example.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 8:17

I'm tired of the NRA lovers saying that law abiding people with carry permits don't do crazy sh** and that all of them are responsible with their weapons and that only the criminals break the law. Here's a prime example.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 8:19

In an attempt to divert the spotlight away from the NRA, spokesperson Steven II comes in with a post;

What about the 329,000 innocent babies that Planned Parenthood Murdered this Year alone?

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 8:21

That's different, Stephen, they don't need guns.

Killing is somewhat different from murder. Killing can legally be legal if that's your legal intent, like legally aborting a baby that can't argue with you.

But isn't that also murder because they can't argue with you they don't want to be killed?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 8:27

I guess they have to start pulling out straw men that have NOTHING to do with the conversation when someone refutes them.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 8:28

What about all the children that get harmed or killed by gun violence each year in the U.S.? Or by people not properly securing and storing their guns? That's a more relevant question!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 8:30

The NRA is a wounded animal and should be treated as one. Like a beast it as been hunkering down for days hiding and licking its wounds, talking with its pals in the House and Senate.

By: yogiman on 12/20/12 at 8:34

There seems to be different arguments and explanations on the gun issue on this site, folks. When you all get your explanations in order, how about giving me the explanation I asked for yesterday.

What was it, you ask? Simple, you have all argued Barack Obama was elected for the presidency legally because he was born in the USA (even though you don't know that as a fact)... but you argued Mitt Romney and Rack Santorum weren't running legally (even though it was proved they were born in the USA) because their fathers weren't born in the USA. When did it become so different someone could legally run for the president's office even though his father was born in Kenya?

I'd sure like to know.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 8:38

There was an assault weapon ban in place from 1994 to 2004 and the world didn't end. Nor was the second amendment repealed.

Now, I'd like to see this and a more difficult process for obtaining a gun legally.

Requiring certain standards for ownership isn't a violation of rights either. In fact, I've spoken to gun owners who readily acknowledge that maybe it is a little too easy to own a gun. Especially regarding mental health.

It seems like a no-brainer, yet some still complain...

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 8:41

15,000 children die each year from guns.

http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 8:42

I see that none of our pro-gun posters want to talk about the guy in Florida.

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 8:44

And that's difficult to regulate, nemo. You can give adults gun safety courses but the really dumb and careless ones will still get someone killed. I've never understood how parents can be so reckless with kids in the house, though.

By: Loner on 12/20/12 at 8:53

Stephen: where is your outrage over the fact that US taxpayers are supporting state-sponsored abortion mills in Israel? In a nation of just 6 million, an abortion rate of 50,000 per annum is much higher than the US rate. Are you silent on that slaughter because you hate Jews?

Since the US is 50 times more populous than Israel, we'd have to abort 2.5 million per annum to beat the Israeli rate.

Check out the grisly facts here:

Snippet: "Experts believe there are more than 1 million abortions performed nationwide (US) each year, but because of the incomplete reporting, the CDC had reports of about 785,000 in 2009."
Source:
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15338488-us-abortions-fall-5-percent-biggest-drop-in-a-decade?lite

Snippet :"There are close to 50,000 Israeli abortions every year..."
Source :http://www.friendsofefrat.org/

Now, Stephen, you can no longer claim innocence...what are you personally going to do about it?

By: grid on 12/20/12 at 8:54

I've been a lurker for years, but wanted to share my opinion today. While I am a gun enthusiast, a proud handgun carry permit holder, and enjoy target shooting, I do not believe in guns in the classroom. It would put too much burden on teachers who are already attempting the very difficult job of educating children.

Carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, and one I do not take lightly. I don't take risks, and hopefully will never have to use my firearms for anything but target shooting. However, as an adult, my safety is ultimately my responsibility.

I strongly disagree with Loner's anti-gun stance. If I am in trouble, who can I count on...except for me? Should I be forced to defend myself, I'm going to stack the deck in my favor as much as possible. That means carrying a firearm when & where I am legally permitted to do so.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 8:54

gdia-

As sensible as sounds that it would slow down the sales of gun and some potential customers with mental back grounds would not be able to buy a gun. This would cause NRA’s gun sellers to lose money.

Now if a gun dealers suspect that a customer maybe crazy, they can still sale the gun and their will be no liability if said customer is the cause of multiple murders.

The NRA one mission is to their members and not the country.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 8:55

Sure they do Blanket. LOL

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 8:59

grid, how do you feel about making it more strict for people to have guns so as to help keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them? Especially when it comes to concealed carry laws?

By: StephenII on 12/20/12 at 8:59

I wasn't attempting to divert attention from the NRA. An innocent Life lost needlessly is wrong no matter who or what the taker is. Our society has diminished the 'value' of life.

If my attempt to bring attention to legalized mass murder is a Straw Man - so be it. But this 'Gun as the bad guy' discussion is only the result of a bigger, more grave issue.

I apologize for the distraction.

By: budlight on 12/20/12 at 9:01

Loner on 12/20/12 at 6:27
The Republican Party has been in bed with the gun lobby since Tricky Dick flippped the solid south....you lie down with dogs and you get fleas....the GOP has become infested with blood-sucking nuts, red-necks and A-holes. Time for the GOP to take a flea bath....or slowly bleed to death...or better yet, turn their guns on themselves.....good riddance.

Yesterday I heard a guy on the radio say that "Republicans are the main proponents of the 2nd amendment and democrats usually are not so adament".

Then I thought to myself: If we ask all the people in prison who are there because of their use of a gun in the commitment of a crime, I wonder how many of them would claim to be democrats. Most of the gang members and criminals are Obama supporters.

And by the way, Obama does not have to worry about his girls because they are surrounded by ARMED GUARDS known as the secret service.

If a teacher knows that they can get proper training to use a weapon, I'm sure they would agree to do so even if they are a woman. Only a sexist would think that a MOTHER BEAR is incapable of pulling a trigger in a life/death situation. OR a democrat!

Women are capable defenders. Or else, why are they in the military and on the police force? And who was that woman who SHOT DOWN THE PSYCHO DOCTOR AT FORT HOOD? She didn't hesitate for a moment and she was wounded!

Please, pass your garbage to the trash collector. Stop spewing it on Craigs list.
Blanket when you say "guy in Florida" do you mean the Trayvon Martin case? What do you want to talk about regarding that case?

By: gdiafante on 12/20/12 at 8:38
There was an assault weapon ban in place from 1994 to 2004 and the world didn't end.

And neither did the mass murder; Columbine was committed while the assault weapons ban was in place, proving that people will commit crimes regardless of the laws in place. Criminals bent on killing will go to any means to do so. Or is that too logical for you to comprehend? G?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/20/12 at 9:02

Loner I am going to be 145 miles from you this weekend. Maybe we can get together at some point?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/20/12 at 9:04

bud, I posted the link to the article and quoted it. It has nothing to do with Trevon Martin. All you have to do is READ WHAT WAS POSTED. It doesn't even require you having to do any research or use critical thinking skills.