Up for Debate: HCA's West End incentive

Tuesday, November 20, 2012 at 11:36pm

The Metro Council Tuesday night advanced the Mayor Karl Dean-proposed incentive plan to relocate HCA to West End? Do you feel the incentive package should be passed as it currently stands?

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103 Comments on this post:

By: Rasputin72 on 11/20/12 at 11:42


By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 6:23

What is the matter Rasputin, no free stuff for the rich?

By: Rasputin72 on 11/21/12 at 6:41

Nemo, the rich I know pay their own way. It is your crowd that wants free stuff.

In this case, the burden falls upon the Davidson County taxpayers. For some the tax burden is bevoming onerous. For people like you the rent goes up.

By: Loner on 11/21/12 at 6:46

Good morning, Nashville.

Here is a cut-paste of my response....this topic was addressed elsewhere in this edition of NCP....so I'm schlepping my comment from there to here....here it is:

The author of this story, Steve Hale, used a novel term: incentivizing. My Spellchecker objects to the word, but I think it's the perfect word to describe this massive give-away to a corporation that does not really need or deserve this kind of government charity.

The image of the Frist family with a tin cup in hand, begging for $100 per county resident in incentives...so as to keep the Frist family living in the grand style that they have become accustomed to....gimme a break.

It takes world class chutzpah for a billionaire beggar to ask for more handouts from the public.

Mayor Dean has a lot of nerve to act as the Frist family's solicitor and benefactor. The mayor is supposed to represent the public interest, not the interests of wealthy and selfish cor[orations and their fat-cat CEO's.

By: bfra on 11/21/12 at 7:17

Hey Karl, why stop there, let the taxpayers build a new hi-rise where all the employees they import from out of Town & State, can live (rent free). We can count what they spend for everyday living as good for the economy. That should put ,maybe up to 3, more feathers in your cap.

By: parnell3rd on 11/21/12 at 7:18

More Commrade Karl Dean Corruption giving taxpayer money away.
"I will not raise your property taxes!" Karl Dean

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 7:21

Rasputin you think that HCA and the Frist Family are poor? You then are far more richer than this? LOL You are just as delusional as yogi.

By: Ask01 on 11/21/12 at 7:23

Good Morning to you loner.

Excellent comment, by the way.

As for Mayor Dean, I believe he, as with so many other elected employees are, as they always have, seeking to pave the way for their rise up the ladder after this cash cow (Metro Nashville) has been milked dry.

He, Mayor Dean that is, seems to have little further use for the average citizens, having affixed his name to his ego boosting monument, secured a tax increase to further enhance downtown, and in general taken care of those able to aide his future.

I will not be surprised to read of him accepting a position, (these people never actually hold jobs, merely positions,) with someone having ties to one of the organizations benefitting from his generosity with tax payer money.

Of course, that is politics, and I suppose the electorate deserves such treatment since we voters keep allowing the praticioners of that dark art to have their way.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 7:26

The mini troll p3 gives us his best Better Red than Dead impression. I wonder if he was bounding his chest or drooling as he posted.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 7:37

shb pounding. Coffee please.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 7:43

Does anyone know what becomes of the property off Charlotte that HCA currently occupies?

By: govskeptic on 11/21/12 at 7:47

Another outrageous give away by this city that's already set in stone by a governing
body that most couldn't balance their own check books. This leaderless group
looks to the Mayor as the see all, know all, of all things government. This is not
a deal where we are bring a well paying company from another state to locate
and hire within our borders, but one already given millions upon millions and
who already has a large percentage of employees living in Metro or nearby.
The $500.00 per employee per year is a reminder of the Dell deal that prove
to be expensive yet worthless to any long term benefit to taxpayers.

This lack of accountability nor institutional knowledge of the branch in which they
are elected and serve is another reminder of our big mistake in Voting in
Term Limits for Council Members, which was a change I supported, but regret
almost daily. It makes the Mayor even more powerful than we had before.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 8:18

I don't understand the logic of this whole deal. I agree with you, gov - it's not like it's a new business bringing in new jobs.

By: Loner on 11/21/12 at 8:46

Good question, Bn, what becomes of the property off Charlotte that HCA currently occupies?

Will the give-away mayor offer more incentives to keep the property occupied?

Or will the place be razed, to make room for a brand new, super-incentivized, enterprise?

Is this some kind of hustler's shell game? Keep your eyes and ears open....something foul is afoot, methinks....this thing does not smell right.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 8:47

The property that HCA currently occupies is prime real estate. I'm curious to see the backend workings of this deal.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 8:49

HCA has been wanting to move their corporate offices for the last few years. A couple years back they were interested in the Fairgrounds property but that obviously fell through so it's no surprise that they are relocating.

By: slacker on 11/21/12 at 8:55

Just another ordinary day in the kingdom of Nashville. I'm unsure whats coming up next, the cruise ship type bus route from west end to east Nashville...or the new baseball stadium for our minor league team.
One or two more property tax increases, will take care of it nicely I'm sure.
I'm considering a property tax incentive to re-locate to a different city.
And yeah.. I know, don't let the door hit ya..

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 8:57

You know, relatively speaking the property tax in Davidson County is really reasonable. I don't really understand why people get so bent out of shape. My house is in Davidson County and I think property tax here is a good deal.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 8:58

My preference would be to use property tax to help fund a decent public trans system.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:01

It seems to me that HCA was talking/threaten to move to Cool Springs.. I'm not sure about this.

By: bfra on 11/21/12 at 9:05

Blanket - That would be something for the good of ALL. That doesn't interest Karl & wouldn't feather his nest with the elite.

By: BenDover on 11/21/12 at 9:05

I guess I don't understand from the article where they would be moving from. If it's from Denver or somewhere then I'd say it's worth considering. If they are just going to shuffle people over from the Centennial Park location then it's ludicrous.

Also will it affect that data-center in Antioch they have already committed to?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:05

Nemo, they were for a while but I think that was just for leverage. They actually would like to move some of their Williamson County employees into Nashville.

By: bfra on 11/21/12 at 9:05

I should have said, what he considers "the elite".

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:07

Ben, I don't think it affects the data center and yes they are just moving from Centennial Park to West End.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:07

I agree to that Blanket. A decent public transit system would go a long way in relieving the the slow choke commute in Nashville.

By: slacker on 11/21/12 at 9:09

nazi, reasonable is the word used before every new property tax increase.The Mayor has already provided you with a decent public trans system.. bike paths.
Its for your own good. Schwinn is ready when you are.

By: slacker on 11/21/12 at 9:10


By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:10

Thanks Blanket, I thought so too.

By: budlight on 11/21/12 at 9:11

HCA is building a new facility on Franklin Road near the Hickory Hollow area (off Cane Ridge Road). They said it would have about 2000 new jobs. Is this the same project? Or a different one?

Hiing 2000 executives? Guess they will have to hire some peons to clean the building and do the clerical work. But mostly upper management, big money gets to benefit.

Oh well. Obama life goes on. He talks a good game doesn't he? He needs to get his BFF's to chalk up some dough; like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Oprah. Speaking of Oprah, I didn't see her endorsement for him as president. What happened there? Did she catch on?

By: Loner on 11/21/12 at 9:12

So, it's corporate welfare for HCA, in the form of more incentives...or they leave town entirely....sounds like a shakedown attempt...I think they call that, "extortion"....and the mayor may be aiding and abetting the extortionists.

My advice is to not pay the extortionist...if the white-collar gangster leaves town to extort others, so be it.....time to replace Dean? The guy appears to be a wiling and knowing accomplice to the scheme.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:16

bud, the HCA offices in Antioch will be a data center. What's being moved are the corporate offices near Centennial Park. HCA has several offices throughout Nashville and Williamson County.

By: bfra on 11/21/12 at 9:17

Where does Franklin Rd go anywhere near the Hickory Hollow area? What does Obama have to do with HCA? Anyone think there are bats in the belfry?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:17

Remember that HCA is the Frist Family Fortune. They hold a lot of power here in TN. I'd call it more palm greasing than extortion, Loner.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:19

bud, are you one of the folks trying to save the Hickory Hollow Target? I hope Target's management team keeps that store open.

By: BenDover on 11/21/12 at 9:21

It's Old Franklin Rd. on the back side of the Crossings bfra.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:24

Franklin does not go near Hickory Hollow, Blanket.

bud,; what does the President have to do with HCA. Silly troll.

By: bfra on 11/21/12 at 9:25

I would think since bud lives in the area, she would have known that! She was side tracked trying to think up how this is Obama's fault. She failed!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:27

Do you think that is what she talking about Ben?

By: BenDover on 11/21/12 at 9:28

That's where they are building the new HCA data complex.

By: slacker on 11/21/12 at 9:32

If HCA gets the fairgrounds we'll be surrounded.. just like Custer..

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:33

That would be Old Franklin Limestone Road, Ben?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:33

LOL, slacker.

Yeah, the data center is a whole other thing.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:34

Old Franklin Limestone Road! I knew there was a road in that area with the word "Franklin" in it but I just couldn't remember what it was.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:34

Or how Old Hickory Blv does. lol

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:35

Nemo, the trolls can play 6 Degrees of Obama with any given topic.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/21/12 at 9:38

I'm surprised that they have not made the collection to OHB dysfunction to Andy Jackson not being Republican ;-)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/21/12 at 9:40

LOL, Nemo. :)

By: BenDover on 11/21/12 at 9:44

I think it's just called Old Franklin. It connects Mt. View Rd through the crossings and Cane Ridge over to Concord Rd at Nolensville Pk. It changes names a couple of times in-between... Preston, Petus... a small part of Old Hickory. I drive that way sometimes when I want to have a beer on the ride home.

By: slacker on 11/21/12 at 9:45

Nemo, there is a short section of Old Hickory Blvd. in the Equator.