Up for Debate: House votes to repeal ACA again

Thursday, July 12, 2012 at 12:18am

What's your reaction to the U.S. House vote Wednesday to repeal the Affordable Care Act again? Are you fine with it? Do you think it's a shrewd political move heading into the November elections? Or are you angered by it? Do you think it's a waste of time?

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By: dargent7 on 7/12/12 at 3:49

A "shrewd political act"? By those guys? Naw.
Republicans have no problem, zero, throwing 40 million Americans out onto the streets w/o health insurance. Another 50 million can't get any because of some, "pre-existing condition". Also, deny women reproductive control over their bodies.
Defunct Planned Parenthood, altogether.
But, let's fund the war in Afghanistan another 10 years for another trillion.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 4:49

If this is a "shrewd" political move, it's the thirty-third time they've used this same "shrewd" political move. And it will undoubtedly achieve the same result- failure. Isn't this an example of the definition of insanity (repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome)?

Not all conservatives (regressives) are stupid people, but all stupid people are conservatives.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 5:09

It's the law, they don't have the votes in the Senate to repeal, this was just another prime example of the idiots in Washington wasting taxpayer money by voting for something that's purely symbolic.

Here's a hint for the House: work on getting people back to work.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/12/12 at 5:22

This is just saber rattling. The Republicans do not have the horsepower to get this law repealed. There are 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax. What I am waiting to see is how many of these 47% pay for their health insurance? This is a huge underclass who heretofore have never paid for anything other than their vices. My guess is that the next thing that will blow my mind is that the government through taxation of the productive class put through a bill to pay the premiums for these "people"

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 5:25

Raspy you should see the article I posted yesterday from Forbes about your precious 47%. You're like a child who latches on to his blanky and won't let go.

And, as we're finding out, the middle class is the productive class.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/12/12 at 5:26

UMMM..........Don't you understand that being "stupid" is why the Conservatives have the money and the intelligent Liberals are trying to get it. Stupid is the "In Thing" right now. If you don't believe it why don't you ask one of the MNPS students. (Hume Fogg & MLK excluded)

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 5:34

Perhaps this all-consuming lust for wealth is the point where America lost its moral bearing. We used to strive to achieve greatness as a nation, now, only as individuals and we don't really care who gets hurt along the way, just as long as we get what we want.

Sounds more like a spoiled child than a nation full of responsible citizens.

By: dargent7 on 7/12/12 at 5:40

Ras72 is on leave from "The Men's Grill". That's either at Hillwood CC or Belle Meade.
Together they have 3 black or minority members. No Asians, Latinos, and maybe one woman who's not allowed to even peek into the "Grill". A token so they don't get sued.
His, "47% pay no Federal Income Tax" is a touted pile of bulls*** by the right.
Un-employment benefits ARE taxed at the end of the year at 25%.
Why tax FoodStamps and Welfare? To further punish the unfortunate?
That's all the Christian conservative, Republican party is good for: punishment.

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 5:48

When did it become the responsibility of the government to become the citizens parents? The answer? When the government determined they could get the citizens votes to stay in power by giving to them as their "parents".

Ain't it great to be given to (paid) even though you don't earn it?

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 5:50

Rasputin (what an attractive name)- the smarter regressives who have robbed the middle class and control most of this country's wealth now, maintain their stranglehold on the money by duping the hordes of the stupid into believing their bullcrap about taxes, the debt, "entitlements," the "underclass,' etc. They can fool that segment of the people all of the time.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 5:52

Well darge, those who whine about the 47% are hypocrites. Why? Because, first, they are generally in favor of the tax cuts for the wealthy. Now, when you break down why 47% don't qualify to pay income taxes, it's because their income is so low that they qualify for...wait for it...tax subsidies.

Now, I'll give you three guesses as to who took them off the rolls...way back in 1986...

Also, in regards to percentage of income, the low earners tax breaks are estimated to be anywhere from 7-8%. In high income homes, the percentage jumps to 11-14%.

So you tell me, who's getting away with something here?

By: gabster1000 on 7/12/12 at 6:04

Okay..I am in the upper 10% income bracket and I am in Healthcare, and something must be done. You would not believe the suffering that I have seen due to no or inadequate health care. This is not a moral, altruistic, or Christlike health care approach to care for the sick and dying. This is a system founded on profit and cutting their losses when "you" cost too much and decrease their income. It's abominable.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 6:08

I have a question for you, gabster. You hear all the rhetoric about the new health care law takes the decision away from the doctor and "puts it in Washington". First, it's wrong, but isn't that basically what we have now, if you replace "Washington" with "Insurance company"?

By: dargent7 on 7/12/12 at 6:11

The Christian, conservative, Republican right, cherishes stats like, "47% of all Americans don't pay Federal Income tax".
"That's not fair!"
So, as a society joined together, what do these people want to do? What's their solution?
"Take a janitor job at the school and clean toilets". Ok. There's 50 million janitor jobs?
Then you have people like Uncle Mitty who "earns" $20 million a year doing nothing but sitting on his Capital Gains, taxed at 13.7%, in off-shore bank accounts, and, "doesn't even know where my money is."
Blind trusts (like Cheney), trustees, portfolio managers....
These A-Holes have no idea what middle America deals with. Yet protray themselves as "champions of the middle class".
Obama may be in over his head. But, he worked his way all the way to the top.
Romney was born into wealth and status. Like GW Bush. Two loosers.
Obama 2012.

By: budlight on 7/12/12 at 6:19

By: dargent7 on 7/12/12 at 4:49
A "shrewd political act"? By those guys? Naw.
Republicans have no problem, zero, throwing 40 million Americans out onto the streets w/o health insurance. Another 50 million can't get any because of some, "pre-existing condition". Also, deny women reproductive control over their bodies.
Defunct Planned Parenthood, altogether.
But, let's fund the war in Afghanistan another 10 years for another trillion.

D7, women have control over their bodies. If they would just stop and think BEFORE they get pregnant, then they would not have to kill an innocent unborn child. Abortion is being used as the convenient after the fact birth control. Once a women becomes pregnant, she is carrying a live, viable human being inside her body. The right of that child inside her is not being taken into consideration when she choses to kill that child.

Sorry, once she choses to become pregnant, then she should be making better decisions for the life she has created. After all, did you or anyone really request to be created?

I am sure of one thing: If all the people who believe in abortion (killing babies), wouldn't the world be a better place if their own mommies had aborted them? Think about it D7. Why did your mother carry you to full term? Why did Obama's mother carry him to full term? After all, it was a punishment, according to Obama. It seems the only people being punished in these times, are people who are working hard, trying to do the right thing and who have conservative values.

By the way, it's not too late for anyone who kills babies to be saved. God will forgive them if they just ask.

By: budlight on 7/12/12 at 6:24

gabster1000 on 7/12/12 at 7:04
Okay..I am in the upper 10% income bracket and I am in Healthcare, and something must be done. You would not believe the suffering that I have seen due to no or inadequate health care. This is not a moral, altruistic, or Christlike health care approach to care for the sick and dying. This is a system founded on profit and cutting their losses when "you" cost too much and decrease their income. It's abominable.

Gabster, how many of those people who are "suffering" have "self-inflicted" wounds? We all have been educated for years by the media (tv, radio, internet, print) about what is and what is not good for us. We know smoking and drinking are bad. We know crack and cocaine kills us. We know that eating 5 pounds of food at a self-serve food bar is damaging. So please. If people are self-inflicting their misery, why should the people who are trying to do the right thing (eat right, live right, exercise, etc) be forced to foot the bill?

Survival of the fittest seems appropriate. And I also know that the Bible has some teachings about how we live, eat, worship, etc., that makes good common sense, but people don't want to take the time to study it.

By: dargent7 on 7/12/12 at 6:27

Bud: Your one sided argument is so illogical.
Just who gets the woman pregnant? A toilet seat?
I'd say men are at least 50% of the equation, wouldn't you?
And these same guys, usually white, don't want abortion rights for women.
These same are all celibate and have vascetomies?
No, they're sex hogs who have affairs and will screw anything willing and able.
Then turn their backs on the very women they just screwed.
Force a woman to have "the baby", 9 months of hell, loss of work, then deny them welfare benefits and Foodstamps.
Can't have it both ways, Bud.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 6:28

brainedlight believes strongly in her right to impose her belief system on others and force them to bring unwanted children into the world.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 6:28

Once a women becomes pregnant, she is carrying a live, viable human being inside her body.

What? So you're saying that if a female finds out she's 6 weeks pregnant, the fetus is viable? Do you even know what viable means? Good lord...

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 6:35

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If a woman chooses to have the child and then seeks entitlements, she's condemned by the right.

If she chooses to an abortion, she's condemned by the right.

No wonder women are pissed.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 6:39

brainedlight, you are such a dolt- you complain that "people who are trying to do the right thing" are "forced to foot the bill." What you obviously don't understand is that when the uninsured seek medical care (often the most expensive available, like emergency rooms), they get it- and if they can't afford to pay for it, THEN the rest of us are "forced to foot the bill" because the hospitals and doctors just raise the price for those who can afford to pay to offset the loss. The ACA is designed to PREVENT this from happening. End of today's lesson (I don't want to overtax your feeble mind).

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 6:40

Well...on second thought...at least she has a choice...

By: dargent7 on 7/12/12 at 6:45

Right you guys, gD and Ummm are.
Women have menstral cycles, that "kill off" ovums.
Each and every month. For decades.
Men masturbate "killing off" spermozoa.
The religious right glamorizes this act of Nature by proclaiming at the point of conception, Jesus Christ joined the ovum with the sperm. A miraculous conception.
No it isn't. Sometimes it's just luck, or un-luck.
Thus, producing "a baby". It's a mass of cells.
Now, denying sex education, contraception (Catholic Church) is beyond retarded.
Abortion is the next step. At 5 weeks, it isn't "baby murderers".
Late term is a whole another ethical question.
But, "first response" is the key. Republicans screw like rabbits, but pretend they don't.
And don't want to face the consequences.

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 6:53

dargent7,

Why are you jealous of Mitt Romney's wealth? Because you aren't wealthy? Are you jealous because he was capable of earning his wealth? And yes, he was born into wealth, but he gave his inheritance wealth to charity.

As a venture-capitalist, his first major business starting an office supply company named Staples. There is now 2000 Staple stores with 90,000 employees.

He built new companies ever since. like; Dominoes, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and more.

Now let's look into his history: He volunteered free campaign work for his dad's gubernatorial campaign for a year. He served as an unpaid intern in the governor's office for 8 years, a Mormon missionary for 2 years, an unpaid Bishop and state president for his church for 10 years. He took no salary as president of the Salt Lake Olympics for 3 years and received no salary as Governor of MA for 4 years.

That's about 28 years of unpaid services to his country, his community and his church. How much free time have you given?

And he'll show his official birth certificate, his college transcripts, his law degree, his official draft notice and his official Social Security card (including which state it was issued in).

The only thing negative I have "heard" about Romney is his religious beliefs. Isn't all religions accepted in the US? They used to be. That is; as long as you accepted them.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 7:00

I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message.

By: Kosh III on 7/12/12 at 7:04

"CBS' Nancy Cordes reported Wednesday that Republicans' many fruitless attempts at repealing the Affordable Care Act have taken up at least 80 hours of time on the House floor since 2010, amounting to two full work weeks. As the House, according to the Congressional Research Service, costs taxpayers $24 million a week to operate, those two weeks amounted to a total cost of approximately $48 million"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/11/health-care-law-repeal_n_1666917.html

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 7:14

Thanks for your approval, gdiafarte. Now prove me wrong.

By: Kosh III on 7/12/12 at 7:28

Yes, Romney was quite successful, especially when shipping US jobs to COMMUNIST China.

"According to government documents reviewed by Mother Jones, Romney, when he was in charge of Bain, invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits—and that explicitly stated that such outsourcing was crucial to its success....
At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad....
In its 2001 annual report, Global-Tech noted that US outsourcing was essential to its prospects: "Household appliance companies are focusing on their primary strengths of marketing and distribution, while increasingly outsourcing product development and manufacturing…
Our ability and commitment to develop new and innovative, high quality products at a low cost has allowed us to benefit from the increased outsourcing of product development and manufacturing by our customers."

By: Kosh III on 7/12/12 at 7:31

Augustine and Aquinas both allowed abortions during the first 40 days of pregnancy. Maybe bud should demand Pope Ratzi excommunicate these two baby-killers.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 7:31

Prove what? That you can copy/paste a candidate's bio? Congrats. Maybe one day you'll be able to wipe yourself without help.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 7:39

I read a poll recently (for what it's worth) where the American people want Washington to get over it (Obamacare). It's the law of the land.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 7:59

When you vest your ideas of morality in the act of taking from one person to give to another then you misunderstand morality's basic premise. Then to do it with a huge top-down centrally-planned bureaucracy in practice ignores all the similar historical failures.

Obamacare will either persist and advance America toward fiscal disaster and health service scarcity (and a 'what might have been' world-wide health-care stagnation ) or it will be defeated and will become a 'remember the Alamo' battle cry for the left. Wash, rinse, repeat.

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 7:59

gdiafarte,

If you can believe Barack Obama so well, why can't you believe Mitt Romney? Just because he's so wealthy? At least he's not trying to hide his anything. You know, like his official name? His school records? Hell, even his birth certificate?

Have you ever figured out why Obama refuses to show his papers?

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:07

Welcom back Chicken-little...I mean Ben.

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 8:07

I've read where most of the doctors will quit if the Senate passes that bill. It looks like the government will then be able to control the population more.

If Barry gets that bill into law through the Senate, he has become the master of deceit. His next step will be dictator.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:09

At least he's not trying to hide his anything.

That's exactly what we need...a flasher as president.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:11

What bill? Obamacare? It's already law idiot.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 8:11

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 8:15

Kosh III,

What is your evidence Romney shipped jobs overseas? Because Obama said he did?

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 8:19

What's most troubling is the obvious coordination going on between the Obama campaign and the Washington Post. I thought the media pulled out all the stops last time by not vetting, at all, any of the troubling things about Obama's past; but this time it looks like they are going to exhaust what's left of their waning journalistic credibility to actively support him.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:20

Yeah, because papers have never done that before, Ben.

God, you're as naive as yogi.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 8:33

You wear those chains of your confirmation biases well, gd.

So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains
And we never even know we have the key

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:34

Interesting read

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/opinion/navarrette-romney-obama-center/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

By: bfra on 7/12/12 at 8:35

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 9:07

I've read where most of the doctors will quit if the Senate passes that bill
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Now in what comic book or smut magazine did you read that?

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:35

Shut your hole, Ben. You're as nuts as yogi...you just present your conspiracies better.

By: bfra on 7/12/12 at 8:38

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 9:35

Shut your hole, Ben. You're as nuts as yogi...you just present your conspiracies better.
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Amen on that!

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 8:40

Litlle Bennie is "Already Gone." (He gleans shining nuggets of wisdom from pop songs.)

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 8:42

Well... Factcheck IS known for its right-wing bias.

By: budlight on 7/12/12 at 8:44

Fetal heart
The baby's heart is known to start beating by 22 days after conception. This is around the fifth week of the pregnancy.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_does_the_heartbeat_of_a_baby_start_in_the_womb#ixzz20Q3glFGM

D7, you seem jealous of anyone with money. I'm sure that if you could be as rich as Mitt Romney, you would. Anyone else here would as well. And you'd probably not be nearly as generous as he is. He tithes 10% to his church and donates 15% to charity. That 25% of his gross income. He also pays taxes. So as far as I'm concerned he deserves to be rich. I wish I had 10% of his brain power. I just am not smart enough to be rich. And neither are many of the people who complain about rich people.

In my family, my sister got the business brains and she's very well off (company grossing from 5 to 10 million a year since 2009). But she works 18 hr days to accomplish that goal. So shut up your whinning. Read some books on becoming wealthy (Entre Leadership by Dave Ramsey or Financial Peace by Dave Ramsey). You'll figure it out.

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 8:46

As it turns out, it would have been better, if Clinton's socialized medicine plan had been enacted. The economy was booming at the time, and a new entitlement would have been easier to implement.

Considering the state of the economy, IMO it would be wise to call a time-out, regroup, and re-write this bill. The IRS is not going to be able to enforce the tax/penalty as it's now written. That will screw this up from the start. This bill as it now stands is a dog.

Yeah.. I know thats not gonna happen, but it should.