Up for Debate: House votes to repeal ACA again

Thursday, July 12, 2012 at 12:18am

What's your reaction to the U.S. House vote Wednesday to repeal the Affordable Care Act again? Are you fine with it? Do you think it's a shrewd political move heading into the November elections? Or are you angered by it? Do you think it's a waste of time?

Filed under: City Voices
Tagged: Up for Debate

125 Comments on this post:

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 8:50

Oh my god, Ben...you've uncovered something no one has ever realized...campaigns spin! What a revelation...

lol

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 8:55

Where's the lone one these days? Is he on sabbatical again?

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 9:02

Ben, I believe he said he'll be attending the Pagan festival this week.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 9:07

Oh... Brushwood is this week? That's a trip I'll make one of these years.

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 9:08

Myself.. I'll be attending Marilyn Hotchkiss Ballroom Dancing, and charm school next week.

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 9:18

BenDover,

Don't you wish you was as brilliant as these known idiots think they are? Hell, if I was as brilliant as only one of them think they are, I'd be smarter than all of them combined.

By: bfra on 7/12/12 at 9:20

Ben, from what Loner as described of Brushwood, I don't think you would fit in very well.

By: jvh2b on 7/12/12 at 9:23

Just a personal observation here on the Healthcare Act....

I'm a claims adjuster, and I handle many states...mostly in the south and the north east.

I see ER bills all day every day...and it's interesting to note that in the south, where 'health care don't need fixin' the bills are insanely high...5k for an MRI...at least 2k for an ER visit...$20 Ibprofuen pills...you wanna know why they charge that?? They have to make up for all those broke republican rednecks who can't afford their trailer much less health care.

Yet in the northeast, esp in states that have the original 'obamacare' as championed by the flip flip in chief wannabe, the bills are MUCH lower. One can go to the er for under 500 bucks...MRI...1500. Funny...people have insurance...and the rates are lower...something about theory matching practice...

But hey, lets just keep yelling the sky is falling and the commies are coming...might as well right?

By: Rasputin72 on 7/12/12 at 9:23

These are perilous times. When I was a young boy I knew there were people who were rich. I could have cared less about who they were or how they got rich. I just knew that someday I was going to have my day in the sun.

Were I a young boy today I would probably feel the same way. The exception would be that my day in the sun would require more good fortune than hard work and intelligence.
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I never gave much thought about the underclass as they were seen and not heard. In fact I never remember having any dialogue with this class of person. They were called a minority or white trash. Now these people have been breeding like rabbits and have become a voting force.

Welfare for these people has given them a standard of living that is just enough for them to know there is something better out there. They still look like trash but somehow along the line they think they have developed the idea that they are as good as the people who look down their nose at them.

I hardly think that detente can be achieved by either class. Every student in America should be required to study the "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" by the time they are 12 years old. I use 12 because many many of the underclass will quit school before they graduate. 12 is probably the last time the teachers can get their undivided attention.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 9:25

Oh... I'd fit in quite well bfra. Your stereotype of me serves yourself, not reality.

By: bfra on 7/12/12 at 9:29

Maybe Ben, you could fit in like a sore thumb! Your presona comes across loud & clear from your comments. Put yogi & Rasputrid in a pot, stir, out pops Ben!

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 9:31

They still look like trash but somehow along the line they think they have developed the idea that they are as good as the people who look down their nose at them.

"Trash" isn't limited to the poor. Case in point: you.

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 9:33

Put yogi & Rasputrid in a pot, stir, out pops Ben!

lol

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 9:35

I'm the most generous person you'd ever meet, bfra. I just argue that imposition of generosity though an inefficient, often corrupt and politically motivated bureaucracy is folly at best... and it matches the definition of a rationalized criminal intent in many cases.

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 9:37

But bfra would still be cooking, wouldn't it? (I don't if "its" a he or a she)

By: gdiafante on 7/12/12 at 9:45

Ben, what you really mean is government is bad unless it's the party I agree with.

Yawn.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/12/12 at 9:46

Gdiafante.........There are a lot people like me that have adopted the tactics of the "trash" that permeates this country. It is difficult and will get more difficult as the years go by to tell the difference except in looks. Trash like me will not have the adornments of the original version.

By: bfra on 7/12/12 at 9:50

Trash like me will not have the adornments of the original version.
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What is that "adornment" & do describe your opinion of the original version.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/12/12 at 9:57

Bfra........Without suspense the story might not have appeal. I think you should use your imagination as I did.

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 9:59

Damn.. jvh2b found out my trailer's gonna be repoed.. those claims adjusters are now using Drones.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 10:11

"Ben, what you really mean is government is bad unless it's the party I agree with."

You know that not to be true, gd.

I'm for gay marriage, I'm for rolling back the police state, I'm for legalization of Marijuana, I'm for Guest worker, I'm for rolling back the TSA, I'm for limiting surveillance over our citizens... you know all of these things about me.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 10:23

See gd, Little Bennie is a "compassionate conservative," much like Bush was. Oh, wait a minute, Bush's compassion included killing a bunch of folks in Iraq and Afghanistan, and tanking the economy to boot. Primarily though, Little Bennie blames the progressive income tax structure for all manner of economic ills- of course, he has yet to explain why the 1950's were so great for the economy and the middle class under a Republican president who countenanced progressive income tax rates that went up to 90% for the highest earners. I guess Bennie's compassion primarily extends to the rich who he wants to make richer.

By: bfra on 7/12/12 at 10:24

By: Rasputin72 on 7/12/12 at 10:57

Bfra........Without suspense the story might not have appeal. I think you should use your imagination as I did.
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So you just make comments to hear your keyboard click. Where is any suspense?

By: pswindle on 7/12/12 at 10:27

The new health care was needed. If nothing else we need to give the health decisions to the doctors, and not the insurance companies. Don's tell me I'm wrong. I know that the insurance company turned down needed medical care. There is so much good in the bill , hopefully, we can improve it .

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 10:29

Glad to see that the house has its laser like focus on jobs, jobs, jobs.....

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 10:36

BenDover said

"I'm the most generous person you'd ever meet, bfra. I just argue that imposition of generosity though an inefficient, often corrupt and politically motivated bureaucracy is folly at best... and it matches the definition of a rationalized criminal intent in many cases."

And who decides which tax is an "imposition of generosity" and which tax is essential? Give it up Ben, you're an ideologue; and just like every ideologue you base your arguments on "if everyone did what I did" without taking anything else into consideration. That's not reality.....

By: yogiman on 7/12/12 at 10:40

You'd better read that bill before you say there's so much good in it, pswindle.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 10:49

I think you let society work that out by having the majority of people share in the cost of government brrrrk. It's easy to be generous with other people's money. That's why I think it's important for everyone to share in the costs rather than placing a disproportionate burden on a small minority of high earners.

I think a flat % of income tax with a basic deduction for necessities would work such that society could well manage itself. The progressive income tax undoes that check on government with a divide and conquer strategy that takes from one group to buy favor with another. It's a doomed model to the degree we allow it to proceed.

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 10:51

pswindle, there's no doubt that health care reform has long been needed, and that the Health Care bill has good intentions in it. All entitlements are well intended, but when the source to fund them runs out, you have US cities bankrupting.

I hope this bill is reformed, and all the ducks are in a row before implementation.
IMO a down economy is the wrong time to introduce a new entitlement.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:08

Little Bennie says of the progressive income tax: "It's a doomed model to the degree we allow it to proceed."

Still waiting for you to explain why it sure as hell wasn't "dooming" us in the 1950's, Little Bennie.

By: jvh2b on 7/12/12 at 11:10

lol @ slacker and the drones...nice

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 11:15

BenDover said

"I think a flat % of income tax with a basic deduction for necessities would work such that society could well manage itself."

And once you introduce deductions it's no longer a flat tax......... don't you get it?

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 11:21

Ummm... said

"Still waiting for you to explain why it sure as hell wasn't "dooming" us in the 1950's, Little Bennie."

He can't because there are no hard facts to back up his position that lower taxes on the wealthy (and make no mistake, that's what we're talking about here) increases productivity or produces jobs.... economic history simply does not support it.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:25

Bennie's fairytale "flat tax" would have to negate deductions for things like mortgage interest, which would probably destroy the already flagging housing industry. And is he willing to classify all monies gained as income? Stock and bond appreciation? Capital gains? I doubt it.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 11:29

Is this 50's stuff the latest reddit or Kos spin or is it sometbing straight from tbe Whitehouse? I know it's not of your own design, umm, cause you're never original... who's trying to spin this fragment to represent a whole?

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:33

This "50's stuff" is HISTORY, Little Bennie. Maybe you've heard of it- something we're supposed to learn from- although it's obvious you haven't learned much. I guess your answer to anything that doesn't fit with your slanted worldview is, "that must be some White House or leftist spin." Pretty weak, Little Bennie.

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 11:38

The 50's are not a good benchmark. The Great Society Program didn't start until 1964.

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:42

"The 50's are not a good benchmark." So says the sage, slacker. Nice try, doofus.

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 11:45

Ummm... said

"Bennie's fairytale "flat tax" would have to negate deductions for things like mortgage interest, which would probably destroy the already flagging housing industry. And is he willing to classify all monies gained as income? Stock and bond appreciation? Capital gains? I doubt it."

And that's exactly why this "flat tax" mumbo-jumbo is pure myth. Once you introduce exceptions it is a flat tax in name only. And if you think the left is going to balk on a "pure" flat tax, just wait to hear the screaming from businesses that can no longer take deductions. Besides, how do you determine real profits if you don't take expenditures into consideration and more importantly how do you verify those expenditures if not through some sort of tax policy? Pure hokum, that's what it is.........

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 11:47

C'mon ummm ... credit your source. You've never posted an original thought here. DU? Huffpo?

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:49

Slacker deflects the 90% upper income tax rate in the 50's by saying, "The Great Society program didn't start until 1964." By the way, slackster, this also from 1964: "The United States Revenue Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-272), also known as the Tax Reduction Act, was a bipartisan tax cut bill signed by President Lyndon Johnson on February 26, 1964. Individual income tax rates were cut across the board by approximately 20%. In addition to individual income tax cuts, the act slightly reduced corporate tax rates and introduced a minimum standard deduction. The Office of Tax Analysis of the United States Department of the Treasury summarized the tax changes as follows:
1)reduced top marginal rate from 91% to 70%
2) reduced corporate tax rate from 52% to 48%
3)phased-in acceleration of corporate estimated tax payments (through 1970)
4)created minimum standard deduction of $300 + $100/exemption (total $1,000 max)"

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 11:51

''Ummm, Ummm, Ummm... Barack Hussein Obama...

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:51

Little Bennie says: "C'mon ummm ... credit your source. You've never posted an original thought here. DU? Huffpo?"

Apparently, the above passes for the limits of your "original thought." Whatever the "source, you have no rebuttal, now do you Little Bennie?

By: Ummm... on 7/12/12 at 11:53

Slakster says: "''Ummm, Ummm, Ummm... Barack Hussein Obama..."

A shining example of his intellectual capacity.

By: slacker on 7/12/12 at 11:57

Thats my favorite tune Ummm.. I sing it every time I take a crap..

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 12:06

BenDover said

C'mon ummm ... credit your source. You've never posted an original thought here. DU? Huffpo?

www.nn3.com/poldata/A_Block_105_0710-1024x576.jpg

By: brrrrk on 7/12/12 at 12:13

By the way, the chart I just supplied the link for doesn't take the actual years into consideration, just the marginal tax rates.... but those rates are during specific years.

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 12:40

Not sure if this guy is patient zero but it seems to be of DU origins:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101740411

By: BenDover on 7/12/12 at 12:41

www.nn3.com/poldata/A_Block_105_0710-1024x576.jpg

By: budlight on 7/12/12 at 12:45

The ACA is designed to PREVENT this from happening. End of today's lesson (I don't want to overtax your feeble mind).

The ACA will not prevent people from running to an ER; those who are prone to going to an ER will still do that. This ACA is going to cost the US billions of dollars and RAISE taxes on all of us. Or at least it will raise tensions. People who made $85,000 last year are making $55,000 to 60,000 this year. People who made $45,000 last year are making $25,000 this year. People who made a million last year are making $500,000 and so on. Our jobs are lost, our incomes are going down and our royal leader is living the life of a King - King Obama and his Queen and little princesses are still spending money like drunk sailors on leave. In Obama's case, I do wish he's leave. I wish he'd go and try to run England, or Germany or Africa. Or perhaps the middle east. maybe those countris would be better off if they had him. LOL Or how about Canada - Prime Minister Obama?

Enough of my opinion today. I need to look for a job.