Up for Debate: Injured workers' bill

Tuesday, April 2, 2013 at 1:52am

How do you feel about the bill passed by the state Senate Monday that, as is, would not allow injured employees' cases to be heard in court but by special judges selected by someone the governor picks to run the workers' compensation division?

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By: Ask01 on 4/2/13 at 3:36

Just the next stepping stone in transformingTennessee into the most business friendly state in the union.

A right to work state with toothless laws regarding workers comp, what else could the modern day robber barons of industry ask for except diluted child labor laws and no minimum wages?

When the Democrats return to power, look for another wild ride as they take the state back to normal and return us to maybe the 20th century. The charge into the past by the Republicans may make return to the 21st century a long torturous process.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/2/13 at 4:13

Workmans Compensation law is one of the best things that have happened for the labor segment of America. It also is a very abused law. The Governor has acted very wisely in getting cases before judges who understand workmans comp to the letter of the law.

I laud the Governor for recognixing this need.

By: govskeptic on 4/2/13 at 5:06

In spite of usually friendly court ruling, the chance that a non-business friendly
verdict or ruling is always out there to create a problem. The Chamber and their
lobbyist and lawmakers want to reduce that chance to zero. Along with appointing
our US Senate candidates versus primary voters, they want to now appoint
the "special magistrates" to hear the workman's comp cases without the
normal due process of a potential judge and jury.

Apparently Public Opinion and voters are a very scary group within the minds
of the Governor and Legislative Leaders at this time. "We'll just legislate them
out of the process" is the apparent group think on the hill.

By: Ask01 on 4/2/13 at 5:34

I agree, govskeptic, public opinion and voters should be very scary to all politicians.

I hope the next election cycle they prove down right frightening. I'm not holding my breath, however.

The upside to this legislation is the possibility those blindly voting Republican may actually suffer at the hands of their elected leaders and turn on them.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 6:08

Good morning, Nashville.

TN is a right to fire state, so this diminution of workers' benefits is totally in line with the pro-business, anti-worker attitude that seemingly pervades the backward, Southern, formerly confederate states.

The goal of the Tea-bagger addled GOP is to return modern society to the days of Charles Dickens...when Scrooge-types ruled and the Bob Cratchits lived in constant fear of losing their lives and limbs..their livelihoods and their dignity.

The South is famous for hosting an under-educated, docile and gullible population that routinely votes against its own best interests....this is more evidence to back up that claim....in Dixie, the masses remain asses.....and they love it....Yeeeee! Haaawww!

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 6:18

Governor Haslam wanted to become a preacher at one point in his life, according to his bio....one wonders what sort of a Jesus he worships....certainly not the Jesus who loved the poor, the disabled, the children and the sick...Haslam's Jesus is more like the Roman overlords who had nothing but contempt for the cowed people who grovelled at their feet.

Haslam the Hypocrite.....this hateful and mean-spirited guy has got to go....the Dems should be able to unseat a loser like that...if they haven't already conceded the next election.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 6:26

If the Tea-Baggers could just re-institute African Negro Slavery in the former confederacy, all their economic woes would suddenly vanish...I think that's the actual master plan: Slavery for non-whites...poverty for most whites and grand opulence for the top tier whites....in other words, a return to the ante-bellum period, before it was all gone with the winds of righteousness.

By: Kosh III on 4/2/13 at 6:35

Loner

You left out one part: they will ship all the wetbacks back to Méjico.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/2/13 at 6:38

LONER...........Bringing slavery and the culture that went with it was far worse thab the Bubonic plague that raged throigh Europe.

We reap what we sew. Is that ever an understatement for thinking enslavement could ever be justified.

By: govskeptic on 4/2/13 at 6:47

Loner:

You can be on subject so well so often, but your envy or contempt for
anything southern, and constantly, gets so damn old on this thread.
The "huffing and boasting post" or "Washington Post" would and does
welcome these same style comments and often.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 7:26

Thanks for the kind word, Gov.

I do not have contempt or envy for anything Southern....I do have contempt for Southern revisionist history and Southern denial, as to the casus belli for the war between the states. It would be beyond shameful, if 618,000 died in that conflict and nothing was learned from it...if no repentance took place.....that's why I bring it up when the topic calls for it.

Today, we are talking about workers' rights in a right to fire Southern state...the historical background is relevant, IMO.

I truly am sorry, if you take this stuff personally, Gov....we do agree on many things.

BTW, if I hated the South, I would not hang out here at the NCP....I love Nashville and this posting community.....maybe it's tough love...but love, nonetheless.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 7:30

Kosh, the term "wetback" is verboten on the Washington Post boards...I know, because we were discussing the Don Young gaffe on the WaPo and one of my comments was denied because I used the term...even in quotation marks....the "W" word is on the banned list, alongside the "N" word...Orwellian.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 7:41

Rasp, the human capacity for self-bullshitization is limitless....if I have learned anything in this life, it is that.

Human beings have rationalized and deluded themselves for countless millenia....we have justified war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, capital punishment, torture, slavery, apartheid, Jim Crow...you name it, humans rationalized it.

Today, the majority of Americans are convinced that the USA has a "solemn obligation" to support and defend the Jewish state in Palestine...even though Israel is an apartheid-loving nuclear-scofflaw state...a foreign state that honored the convicted spy Jonathan Pollard, by naming a public square in Jerusalem after him and granting him full Israeli citizenship.....talk about self-bullshitization...even President Obama suffers from it.

By: pswindle on 4/2/13 at 7:51

It is a sad day in TN when all workers wil have their benefits gutted becasue we have a business owner as our governor. Every law that has passed this stupid Legislative Branch is to help the governor's interprises and they do not have enought sense to know it. He has used the government for his own benefits more than any elected person that I know of. TN is already at the bottom economically, but as the old say goes, "you ain't seen nothing ,yet."

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 7:59

pswindle - You hit the nail on the head! Worse gov. we have ever had.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 8:00

Right now he is even batting worse than Sunnyquist!

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 8:01

MY morning rant...bear with me:

At one time, decent Christian Americans actually tried to solve the problem of disposing of unwanted, freed, African Negro slaves....the Liberia experiment....sending the Negroes back to Africa...on a one-way trip. The scheme was a miserable failure, though "well-intentioned". Today, we see that whole enterprise as a racist scheme....the good intentions were not all that good.

But, in the case of what to do with the world's "unwanted Jews", the do-gooders invented Zionism, in 1896...that's when Th. Herzl wrote his manifesto, Der Judenstaat....the Jewish State. It too has been a failure in delivering on its stated goal of securing a safe homeland for the world's unwanted Jews....and it too was "well-intentioned"....but unlike the case with Liberia, anyone who sees Zionism...the Jewish state... as a racist enterprise is quickly denounced as a racist.

This upside down morality and topsy-turvy logic is the result of prolonged and pervasive self-bullshitization.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 8:12

Pswindle...excellent point....Haslam's conflicts of interest....he thinks of them as confluences of interest. Haslam's family owns the Pilot truck stops, and the Flying J's, right? If, for example, one of his employees gets run-over by an 18-wheeler or suffers horrific burns in a refueling accident...he won't have to pay for that with higher insurance rates etc. This is all about covering his family's personal assets....and those of his cronies...this is what happens when we elect businessmen to public office.

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 8:34

Loner continues to obsess with the War of Northern Aggression... himself rewriting the history as if it was only based on the noble cause of liberating the slaves.

Loner, why did Lincoln exempt the Northern Slave states (yes, Northern Slave States) from the terms of the Emancipation Proclamation? What of his letter to Horace Greeley?

http://www.angelfire.com/my/abrahamlincoln/Greeley.html

Do you want to ignore the issue of the Morrill Tariff?

In the case of hind-sight being 20/20 you guys heap overwhelming contempt for Bush in following through with the country's decision to Depose Saddam. Why no contempt for Lincoln in not heeding Emerson's advice to simply buy out the slaveowner's interest through eminent domain?

All your heroes are a case of history being written by the victors. To insist on this geographically polarized notion that it is the southerners rewriting history (especially after Spielburg's ridiculous depiction in his move 'Lincoln'') is the acme of absurdity.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 8:35

Loner - Over all, 1 State is no better or worse than the next. NY now has politicians trying to buy offices, so have other States. Find a crime in 1 State and you will find the same crime in umpteen other States.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 8:37

Get off it Ben! You are pathetic, just like yogi. Nobody in history has been worse than the murderer Bush & his cohort Chaney. They have so much blood on them, they can never get clean, if they stay in a hot tub for the rest of their lives. They should be in prison!

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 8:55

Bush is a hero who put aside selfish interests to serve his country during a time of great turmoil and hardship.

Obama simply rides the wave of his supporters' perceptions with them clinging to ideals about Obama's good intentions and ignoring his predictable failed results. It's a delusion that rivals the great Dutch Tulip mania, except the tulips did ultimately hold a bit of real value.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/2/13 at 9:02

Ben the South fired the first shot. The South held human being as animals and now the South wants the world to believe it is the Victim.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:05

Bush, the yellow chicken that was too yellow to serve his Country, Bush the yellow belly that was so war hungry he & cohorts planted lies to start an Illegal war. Bush is a liar, yellow bellied stinking snipe. Oh & don't forget his million dollar photo-op in his zoot flying suit "Mission Accomplished". Icing on the clown's fiasco!

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:07

Nemo - I don't see any more blame on the South than the North. The war wasn't just about slavery, it was mainly about the South not knuckling to the North's demands, when neither side had control over the other.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 9:12

Ben Dover has come out of his recent seclusion to carry the colors....to bear the standard...for the Southern Cause....to bear witness for the Southern revisionists...to defend the honor of the Confederacy, and the righteousness of the Great Secession and to justify the armed rebellion against the US Constitution and the federal government, as a defensive war...the so-called, "War of Northern Aggression"...the Southern revisionist's euphemism for the American Civil War.

I have read that Lincoln letter to Greeley before, Ben. The President's goal was clear and unequivocal: to restore the union of American States...and he made it clear that although he personally abhorred slavery, his goal was to save the union, no matter what that required on the slavery question.

What the letter did not state is that the Great Secession was primarily about states rights, specifically the right to own African Negro slaves. The Great Secession set the stage for the armed conflict...when the South fired on Fort Sumter, the armed rebellion became a reality....a bitter and bloody civil war ensued....well-regulated Southern militia were in open revolt....to constitutionally preserve the institution of African Negro slavery.

Here is a link to the Confederate Constitution; it's what the poor white boys and their slave-owning aristocratic officers were fighting and dying to defend....the "Cause".

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

African Negro slavery and African Negro slaves are both mentioned in the infamous document...it's what the secession and armed conflict was all about...taxation and tariffs were minor grievances in comparison to the slavery grievance.

The Southern states should never have been readmitted intact after the war....the unrepentant racists continued to obstruct progress in Washington, while terrorizing Southern black folks by way of routine KKK atrocities.

The entire rebelling region should have been reverted back to US Territory status....of course, hind sight is 20/20.

By: brrrrk on 4/2/13 at 9:14

Loner said

"If the Tea-Baggers could just re-institute African Negro Slavery in the former confederacy, all their economic woes would suddenly vanish...I think that's the actual master plan: Slavery for non-whites...poverty for most whites and grand opulence for the top tier whites....in other words, a return to the ante-bellum period, before it was all gone with the winds of righteousness."

Who said that the Southern Plantation Aristocracy was dead and gone.... they just moved from the sitting room to the board room.

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 9:14

Shooting was how things were settled back then nemo. That doesn't discount the absurdity that the war was only about slavery when the north had slave states and Lincoln explicitly said it wasn't.

It ignores the nuance that there was a large abolitionists' movement in the south, and a strong pro-slavery sentiment in the north.

It presents a ridiculous good vs. evil dichotomy that ignores the horror's of the war and atrocities of Reconstruction. It sustains a sense of superiority among people based on their place of geographic birth and nothing more. It's quite insidious, really and rolling over for it every time because of the slavery atrocity just compounds the ignorance.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:15

Loner - African Negro slavery and African Negro slaves are both mentioned in the infamous document...it's what the secession and armed conflict was all about...taxation and tariffs were minor grievances in comparison to the slavery grievance.

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WRONG!

By: Captain Nemo on 4/2/13 at 9:16

That demand not to own another human being?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/2/13 at 9:21

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 10:14
Shooting was how things were settled back then nemo. That doesn't discount the absurdity that the war was only about slavery when the north had slave states and Lincoln explicitly said it wasn't.

Is this the reasoning you and the NRA are so gun happy. To go back to the days of shooting makes it right.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 9:22

Ben, Bfra let me just add that the tower at Mount Albion Cemetery...the monument to Orleans County's fallen soldiers...455 souls....has this inscribed into the sandstone entrance-way: "For those who died in defence of the union".

The Orleans County men did not die to free the slaves; they died to preserve the union....but the union broke apart over the slavery issue and the slaves were freed, as a result of the conflict....to claim that these things were unrelated or that slavery was a non-causative agent is to deny the truth.

By: brrrrk on 4/2/13 at 9:23

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. " - Mississippi Declaration of Secession

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 9:27

"Rebellion against the constitution"... interesting choice of words.

The idea that the states could not voluntarily disassociate from the union that they voluntarily associated with was far from settled Loner.

Lincoln said, "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave". The Union was the occupying force at Ft Sumter as clearly as the British had held New York during the American Revolution. As I said... guns were how things were settled back then and history was again written and re-written and re-written to simplify and polarize the issues. Schoolchildren now know only two things. Civil war was only about slavery and Bill Clinton was railroaded by the Republicans because of a blow-job.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:27

NY is up to arresting 6 in the bribery fiasco for the Mayor's office.

By: dargent7 on 4/2/13 at 9:28

Christ has Risen!
Now, back to our usual pedantic bull!shit:
Anyone, I mean anyone, who states "Bush is our hero" is brain dead.
bfra nailed it. Cheney ran the organization known as the US Government.
Bush was a puppet to this sevengali.
10 years later, morons 90% in the Republican party, still hang onto Bush & Co. as "saving" Iraq from Saddam and ourselves.
100% pure bull!shit.
Anyone who states that "Bush saved te USA from a nuclear bomb via Saddam, should commit themselves on a "5150".
I'll personally sign the paperwork.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:29

Loner = There are monuments for fallen soldiers all over the US. None are more important or less important than any others. They are ALL well deserved & should be honored!

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 9:30

Actually, I think that the inscription reads: "To the soldier dead of Orleans County who fell in defence of the union". Here's la ink to the monument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYzRoXoXDB0

This one too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72us48Tdqg

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:32

d7 - If you pay any attention to the repubs on this board, they are tetched in the head anyway. Their BS doesn't even make sense.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 9:36

Excellent point, Brrrrk...several of the seceding states boasted about their reasons in pompous and revealing statements, like the one that you quoted. The right to own African Negro slaves was the common theme in those odious declarations. It was all about denying basic human rights to millions of African Negro slaves...there was no glory in the Southern Cause...never was...never will be.

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 9:39

Amen, Brother Dargent. If Bush & Cheney had any redeeming value, they would have been invited to speak at the GOP Convention in 2012...they are persona non grata at the national level...but those two have their faithful followers at the local level...the die-hard Bushites....the Jeb Bush in 2016 gang....the royal family fans.

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 9:41

Hey D'arge... prepared for the coming youth race riots out there in LA? Usually the left coast leads; but Chi-town beat you guys to it this time - probably the glowing influence of Rahm who's still scratching his head wondering why the monster the left created and feeds is revolting. Shouldn't be too long of a wait for LA though. Might better catch up on The Walking Dead to get some pointers about how to defend yourself.

By: gdiafante on 4/2/13 at 9:41

Ben, you're so full of it your eyes must be brown.

Fort Sumter was Federal property, owned by the U.S. government. Even if Lincoln had recognized the illegal Confederate government, he had every right to defend federal property. But it wasn't the North that were the aggressors. The South fired the first shot. Well played, Lincoln.

Lincoln cited Jackson's response to the nullification crisis and Jefferson when issuing the Feds legal response. And you can bitch and moan about the "lost cause" all you want, but that in and of itself is revisionist history.

The South was in rebellion. They were traitors and they lost, and they should be remembered as such.

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 9:42

Bush/Chaney are scared to leave the US for fear of being arrested as war criminals. Bush almost got caught in Africa, when he dared to venture there. According to a report, he just barely escaped being arrested.

By: yogiman on 4/2/13 at 9:45

Loner,

You call me a racist because of the mulatto in the Oval Office because he is being seen as a black man.

What do you call yourself because of your hatred of Jews? Hell, I only think that one man is wrong and I don't hate the nation under his usurpation, yet you continue to make hate remarks about Israel.

You're claiming I'm a racist because he's black.

Loner, where was you when Dr. M.L. King made his famous march in Montgomery, Alabama in 1961?

I was in the middle of that crowd who was supposed to be a danger to him as a U.S. Marshall who volunteered to protect Dr. King if anyone started anything. Where was you?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/2/13 at 9:47

The Union was the occupying force at Ft Sumter as clearly as the British had held New York during the American Revolution.

This is true, but both the British and Union forces were rightful holding their territory. New York was English at the time and F t. Sumter was in U.S. of A. territory, Ben.

Now you may try to dance around the facts, but I remember history differently. I suppose you could say that the natives Americans of the West were in fact and army of Western Aggression.

By: brrrrk on 4/2/13 at 9:47

bfra said

"Loner = There are monuments for fallen soldiers all over the US. None are more important or less important than any others. They are ALL well deserved & should be honored!"

While I get your point, would you extend that to Russian soldiers that fought to defend Communism, or the German soldiers that fought on behalf of Hitler, or the Italian soldiers that fought to defend Fascism? Just like the Southern soldier they all fought to defend what they thought was their way of life. As George Carlin once said, "I'm just looking for some consistency here".....

By: Loner on 4/2/13 at 9:48

By: bfra on 4/2/13 at 10:15

Loner - African Negro slavery and African Negro slaves are both mentioned in the infamous document...it's what the secession and armed conflict was all about...taxation and tariffs were minor grievances in comparison to the slavery grievance.

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WRONG!

Wow....618,000 may have died in vain....thanks to the Southern Revisionist Historians and the Textbook Tyrants....the Texas School Board.

Shameful.

By: gdiafante on 4/2/13 at 9:48

Anyone, I mean anyone, who states "Bush is our hero" is brain dead.

I agree. You know you're a hot mess when the GOP doesn't want to acknowledge those 8 years ever happened.

By: BenDover on 4/2/13 at 9:52

The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush left his reputation to be written by his critics and his history to fate. Obama's primary focus (like Clinton's was) is positive maintaining immediate perception regardless of how bad his well intended policies f*ck things up.

We all know the guy...

To Everything (Blame, Blame, Blame )
There is a season (Blame, Blame, Blame)
And a time... for vacation... from Washington...

A time to take credit, a time to bribe
A time to raise taxes, a time to lie
A time to drone strike, a time to fund-raise
A time to laugh -- at those -- who play-fair ... in Washington...

Blame, Blame Blame...