How do you feel about the bill passed by the state Senate Monday that, as is, would not allow injured employees' cases to be heard in court but by special judges selected by someone the governor picks to run the workers' compensation division?
brrrrk - That is the reason I added, all over the US. If the other monuments you mentioned are in the US, I am not aware of them.
All Bullies including the Confederate States of American, when confronted and defeated, claim to be the injured party.
Bill Haslam and Tennessee have hit the big time.....
Ben if you are trying to be funny with your clowns, Bush & Chaney, YOU FAILED!
The Confederate Constitution is the smoking cannon....the Declarations of Secession, issued by the seceding states are more of the same...irrefutable evidence of the racist nature of the Great Secession and the armed rebellion...those documents are clear evidence of the in-defensible nature and utter inhumanity of the Southern Cause....euphemisms and half-truths of the revisionists cannot conceal the truth...trouble is, the believers do not want to take a hard, honest look at the facts.
How are Lincoln's needless casualties any more meritorious than Bush's Loner? Trade pressures, abolitionist sentiments in the South, the plight of owning property with a free will and legs, and automation and mechanization would have soon solved the issue as it had in other parts of the world; without bloodshed and without the polarizing and contemptuous Reconstruction period. Lincoln set back race relations in the South by 75 years.
Several LOLs on the Colbert clip, Brrrrk....the truth can be stranger than fiction and funnier than the contrived comedy.
"brrrrk - That is the reason I added, all over the US. If the other monuments you mentioned are in the US, I am not aware of them."
I think you missed the point entirely.....
All those soldiers I mentioned fought for what they thought was right. Are you saying that for some reason (and I'm not suggesting in any way that Southern soldiers as individuals shouldn't be honored) that Southern soldiers should be given a pass on defending the institution of slavery just because there are monuments in the U.S.? Isn't the institution of Slavery just as heinous as the institutions of Communism, and Fascism, and the atrocities of the Third Reich? And let's be honest, when the South said they were defending their "way of life", that "way of life" was dependent upon the institution of Slavery. In my mind it's possible to honor the soldier and still say that they were standing on the wrong side, both morally and historically.
brrrrk - My point was Loner always bringing up that monument for the Northern soldiers like it has more importance than other monuments. It doesn't and that was my point.
I made it thru the '67 Detroit riots.
The '68 Tigers World Series.
The Tigesr 1984 World Series...
There's NO uber/ teen uprising here in San Jose', Calif.
The place 50% Asian, with software engineering degrees rampant.
"Bush's reputation..." is a f!!ckin' joke.
The guy had 4,800 US soldiers killed, another 50,000. wounded, and another 150,000 Iraqi's killed..."To save them from themselves".
Same bull!shit in Vietnam..."We had to destroy it, in order to save it..."
Makes sense to Charles Manson, at the very least.
And to all in the Republican Party.
I would think that with all of the Monuments in the South to a lost war, is a bit confusing to people. It would be like having a monument to Hitler for all of his Evilness.
Southern revisionists blame the victims: Lincoln set back race relations in the South by 75 years.
In retrospect, Ben, we may agree on one thing...the Civil War was avoidable and arguably counter-productive. But we conclude that for different reasons.
Dragging the Southern states back into the union at gunpoint is akin to dragging a rebellious wife back to the house, at gunpoint, to continue with a sham marriage....a loveless cohabitation.
Maybe Abe should have simply resigned when the South seceded....the rebels may have reconsidered their actions and war might have been averted....but this is only speculation, of course.
The North could have simply blockaded the Southern ports...maybe arm and incite slaves to revolt in the rebellious South...union boots on the ground in the rebellious states seems like a rather stupid solution to the problem...again, just my opinion.
Nemo - I on the other hand think a monument to anyone that has been killed is something to be recognized. Be it good, bad or indifferent, it is a monument of a life.
I have to say one thing for this "BenDover" person- he doesn't mind being in the minority. Bush and Cheney were heroes? The Confederacy were the victims in the Civil War? What's next? The Ku Klux Klan was just old style social networking? Hitler was misunderstood? I think somebody must've made him "BenDover" a little too much in his childhood...
Skewered by the Hot Dog....I mean the Hound Dog...the hound has an excellent nose; he's on the right trail....Dover is on the run...a fugitive from the awful truth.
Great timing...I just got a phone call...Governor Cuomo will be in Rochester this afternoon...anti-frackers are mobilizing...I have signs already made up:
IS CUOMO FRACKING LOCO
So, I gotta answer the call of duty...trying to save the NY wine region from the aquifer-destroying frackers....later!
Actually, my opinion of the Souths treatment of Blacks is more informed by what was done after the Civil War and after Reconstruction. At that point the South could have picked themselves up and moved on; making peace with the fact that Blacks were no longer property. But instead, treatment of Blacks became even more heinous. Blacks were routinely rounded up and put on to work-farms, generally on bogus charges like vagrancy and then rented out to the same people who were slave holders. But now, since Blacks were no longer an owned "commodity", there was no vested interest in keeping them healthy. In many instance Black workers were literally worked to death. The South was addicted to cheap labor and found a way to get it again. They had the chance to do the right thing..... and they chose not to.
Honoring the dead is one thing, bfra. I don’t mind recognizing the dead for all they did, bfra. I object to the flying of the Stars and Bars as if the South had won. Hearing the phrase Northern Aggression and the celebration that God was on the South side of that war. All this is only fanning the flames of hanger and hate of something not white.
Loner I disagree whole heartedly. If Lincoln has done as you would suggest it would mean an enemy nation next door and with the mentality of the Southern Plantation owners and their white serfs. They more likely would have welcome Nazi Germany as an ally. The world would have been likely a more dangerous place today.
In times of war, there is NO God.
God took a pass.
We have "free-will" you know, and all God can do is sit back and watch it play out.
Very good observation brrrrk and it goes along with what I have seen most of my life. I am thankful that I was able to see beyond the crap of the Old South. The South will rise again has been said many times and I say lets keep that evil monster away.
Man plans a God laughs.
s/h/b and God laughs.
"The blunting effects of slavery upon the slaveholder's moral perceptions are known and conceded the world over; and a privileged class, an aristocracy, is but a band of slaveholders under another name." - Mark Twain
Mark Twain was just pissed because he spent all his money foolishly and jealousy made him feel better about himself.
The reboot of the Battlestar Galactica series had a lot to say about Fracking, loner.
I would hope that someday the thesis for a phd in sociology or economics will be what is the real cost of a cotton shirt?
I think one would start with 65% of the welfare and entitlement cost for 2012. Pinpointing the cost of crime and and incarceration would be a little tedious as as subtlries like busing and extra police protection,gated communities would factor in. Jusr taking a wild guess I would guess the real cost of a cotton shirt would be at least $100,000 dollars. Maybe as much as million dollars or even more.
It all began when with a European taking one look at an African fishing for his dinner andhaving the utterly dastardly idea that this person has more animalistic qualities than human. This could be the answer to the labor shortage in the new world.
I hope that SOB and all who found his idea as appealing burn in hell for all eternity.