Up for Debate: 'Innocence of Muslims' producer arrested

Friday, September 28, 2012 at 2:26am

What do you think about the producer of the anti-Islam film that lead to riots and deaths in Libya being arrested in California on a probation violation?

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114 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 9/29/12 at 10:36

My pleasure, Gov.

Actually, Gov, we agree on a lot of issues; oftentimes, for different reasons. I too resent the police state...and I hate paying taxes too.....we both admire folks who work hard and succeed and we both share contempt for people who are fraudulently gaming the system.

As for the recent anti-Muslim hate-video and its fallout, you think that the US is apologizing to the Muslims for offending their feelings; that is an inaccurate over-simplification, in my opinion. Official US statements are clearly stating that in the USA free speech trumps respect for anyone's belief system.

In effect, the US is saying, "Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings, but in America we do not imprison people who merely offend another person's feelings." .... "In the USA, a secular democracy, blasphemy is legal."

The producer of the hate-film, Innocence of Muslims, violated his parole agreements...while on parole, he abused his free speech privileges by inciting riots; his actions are indefensible. The man should serve out his original sentence, (fraud conviction ), then be deported to Egypt..

By: yogiman on 9/29/12 at 11:59

Loner,

I agree with you on on the guy violating his patrol agreement. I agree he should finish his time plus more for violating his agreement. Consequently, he didn't have a right for the show he made.

Other than that, what gave the Muslims the privilege to riot simply because they thought he was wrong?

Would you be willing to start a riot if someone made a "show" negating your religion? I'm sure you wouldn't like it, but start a world wide riot?

By: bfra on 9/29/12 at 12:04

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By: Loner on 9/29/12 at 12:07

Rasputin explains my shortcomings to Gov:

LONER failed at "human effort in his generation" Bright but mentally lazy. Now he wants to pontificate all over America about things that he dislikes about the world that left him behind. He is a good man but totally frustrated by the world as it has been since mankind began.

Mankind has been cruel for its entire existence to those that do not respect power as it exists. A terrible thing obviously but not something that the mentally lazy and the weak will ever correct.

I agree with many of LONER's rants. However I play the game the way the rules are made. There are no other successful choices.

OK, let's analyze the analysis: "Mentally lazy"?...... "good man but totally frustrated "?.....that's quite a diagnosis, considering that we have never met....maybe Rasp has crystal balls too?

Rasp claims to "play the game the way the rules are made." He confidently states that, " There are no other successful choices."

I played by the rules, but I also questioned authority....and I often paid the price.

I do not consider myself to be the loser that Rasp has portrayed me to be. I have previously listed my non-tangible assets and non-material rewards....I won't repeat them here. I'm happy, healthy and loved. And best of all, they pay me not to come in....what a country!

As for being reasonable and playing by the rules, George Bernard Shaw was quoted as saying: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

By: bfra on 9/29/12 at 12:28

Loner - Excellent comment! Raspy needs to quit living in a fantasy world.

By: Loner on 9/29/12 at 12:49

Thank you, Bfra...for the kind words....if I lived in the Nashville area, I'd ask you to join me for lunch sometime. We may be soul-mates....but I am sure that we would disagree on something...and that's a good thing, not a bad thing, IMO.

The Rasp seems to be hung up on class warfare...he seems to see things as black or white, not shades of grey. Except for the grey in Grey Poupon, of course.

But, I do enjoy Rasp's posts...and his sinister compliments. He reads my rants and responds....what's not to love about that?

By: yogiman on 9/29/12 at 12:58

Sorry, too many Ts in and not enough Es in parole.

I've only had one cup of coffee. I'll have another.

By: Loner on 9/29/12 at 1:09

The Rasp does have a point, I should think about making some serious money....doing what I like to do, of course...I made money doing stuff that I'd rather not do....at this point in my life, I want to do what I want to do....I paid my dues.

Sometimes, I think about writing a book...or getting a "job" as a freelance writer....maybe, I could substitute teach English, for shits & giggles.....or Social Studies....but I'd have to remove my do-rag in the classroom and behave myself, so that's out.

There are better sax players out there; but I could busk for extra cash....or put a band together and do original stuff only.....Silver Blues?

Or go back to doing artwork, I suppose...I worked as an illustrator for an ad agency at one point in my life....I ran an in-house ad agency for a dept.store chain in the Idaho, Utah, Washington region....I pumped papyrus for Pharoah - (US MAIL)....I sold hot dogs on the streets, off a cart.....I worked as a cook in a daycare center...I swabbed the decks as a janitor....I picked tomatoes....and cherries...I worked in trailer factories....and built carburetors for GM....I worked a punch press....I worked for student press.....I was the cox on a heavy-weight 8-man crew squad....I've written and performed hymns in a church....I was a soldier and an anti-war protester.....a son, a brother, an uncle, a husband, a dad and a grandpa....my life has been rich.

Still, I ought to get up off my @ss and make a pile of dough....or not.

By: bfra on 9/29/12 at 1:34

And, Raspy just sits & wonders how to get the grey poupon stains off of his well worn black ascot. LOL

By: parnell3rd on 9/29/12 at 4:44

The racist Obama administration has allowed enough guns into Mexico to have 300 Mexican's murdered with these weapons. Including 16 teenagers in one night at a birthday party.
The USA news media has helped cover up these crimes.
I guess when Pres. Obama told a Mexican audience that "we must punish our enemies" they did not know he was talking about them.
Now, all you liberal's will scream "well what about Bush's wars?"
What about them? This is happening under another President, President Obama. And of course he has already blamed Pres. Bush. Just like he always blames some one else for his mistakes.

By: Captain Nemo on 9/29/12 at 4:46

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By: Captain Nemo on 9/29/12 at 4:49

Typical whine from the far right, show us some proof pee3.

By: Ask01 on 9/30/12 at 2:08

Freedom of expression, as a component of the Freedom of Speech clause in the U.S. Constitution, is a vital, inviolate right which must be jealously, even zealously safeguarded, with no subject, aside from ones involving national security, or based on outright lies off limits.

Islam is no better than any other religion, none of which should be afforded special protections from detractors. Followers af any faith should, in my opinion, if they are true believers, be content the diety they hold sacred will extract proper vengeance on their own celestial time table.

Christians should not be too undeservedly smug and self rightous considering the bloody trail left through the centuries as they defended the faith against unbelievers, blasphemers, and backsliders, although I must say I don't recall such violent responses when the "art" in question was a crucifix in a glass of urine.

I feel safe in saying Christianity, on many levels, has been, and continues to be, the favorite target of all sorts of derision and insult, the reactions usually to be offended and outraged, but without resorting to rioting and murder to resolve the problem.

The producer of the offending project was within his rights to express his opinion, no matter how juvenile and offensive, without fear of arrest.

In fact, I believe the stated reason was violation of probation or parole or some such condition stemming from other offenses.

I believe this could almost be considered protective custody, not so much for him, but for those innocents who might be around him when the religious hitmen come for him.

The blame and responsibility for the violence should rest with those unable to control their emotions and too immature to resolve a problem without resorting to unacceptable actions.

They alone are responsible for their actions.

By: govskeptic on 9/30/12 at 4:40

I wonder if most of the posters have seen this (Movie) which is in fact not
a movie at all but a miserable 14 min. video. It's grainy, hard to understand
a lot of what's even being said, and a piece of junk. Yes, the fellow that
produced it is an idiot and convicted felon on probation. His parole violation
was a condition that he not be using the internet. His defense may turn out
to be that he wasn't the one uploading it, or they may already know he did
from his own computer.

Our problems with the world's Muslims will continue in these many
countries as long as there are Cleric's preaching hate all day long
in the schools and Mosques, a majority of which are paid and or
financed by Saudi Arabia. Ironically, the same is taking place in the
hundreds of schools the US has built and paid for in both Iraq and
Afghanistan. At the same time these 2 countries are driving out what
Christians or Jews still live within their borders along with Egypt and
many other countries we provide borrowed financial aide to. Islam is
based much more on the after life with very little hope for one's current
life. Therein, providing many uneducated soldiers(mostly young) for
their destructive vengeance..