Up for Debate: Iowa Caucus results

Tuesday, January 3, 2012 at 10:57pm

What's your take on the Iowa Caucus results? What surprised you, and what didn't?

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By: yogiman on 1/4/12 at 1:52

Obama exposure #3 The end of marriage
President "Obama" will preside over the end of traditional marriage by pushing pro-homosexual agenda that includes repealing the Defense of Marriage act (DOMA).

By: dargent7 on 1/4/12 at 5:25

Dunce: You cannot "push" a homosexual agenda. People are born that way. They deserve to have every right afforded to all us lucky ones who are straight.
Think of it this way: some are born with their head's up their asses.
Permanently. No matter what you say or do to them, their head will not exit their rectum.
Gay people are permanently, "gay", Bachmann's husband's "Reversal Therapy", notwithstanding. It isn't a moral or religious problem for them. It's a societal problem for us.

By: Ummm... on 1/4/12 at 6:44

After voting for Obama in 2008, I figured we would already be a nation of gay, communist, nazi, radical Islamic, black superiority folks by now. I guess I have to admit he's been a failure.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 8:30

Good showing for Santorum. He won't be able to touch Romney in New Hampshire. Newt's big lead in SC could roll to Santorum but I don't think it's enough to pull him out of that big hole. Newt's losses in Florida are breaking toward Romney (makes sense as Florida is less conservative than SC if you negate the Obama Supporters). Looks like Romney will make it a walk to the finish line after that.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 8:31

The question now is whether Marshall Applewhite will sh*t all over everything with a 3rd party run.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 8:48

Bachman just canceled a SC engagement and called a press conference... she's out. Perry 'reassessing' from Texas. Stick a fork in him too.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 8:51

Newt's getting ready to go acid-negative. I think we can call this his Waterloo. Forget Sec.State now too, Newt.

By: Kosh III on 1/4/12 at 9:01

Yogi's un-American comments are exactly why I will never vote for any Republican: they all reject the most basic value of our country which is Equal Rights.

I guess yogi was so busy trying to justify Romney's Mexican father that he forgot about "liberty and justice for all."

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 9:03

It only shows how much the GOP is fragmented and becoming a party of the misfits. Romney however is a shinning hope for the party.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 9:13

LOL Ummm

Ben’s assessment is about right for the moment, but with the fluid state of mine the GOP is in it could flip at the next breeze. Third party split is very likely.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 9:14

My favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus gives money to the rich and tells the poor to suck it up and ask Caesar for his birth certificate.

By: yogiman on 1/4/12 at 9:23

I think you need to go back to school, Kosh III. Or begin your education if you've never been to school as you are indicating. Romney's grandparents (both of them) were American citizens. His father was an American citizen born in Mexico to American citizens

Let's use that as an example: If you and your wife were on vacation to China and had a child, would that child be a Chinese citizen, or would you say it was an American citizen?

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 9:25

Good morning, Nashville!

My take on the Iowa Caucuses?

They should rename the thing: the "Iowa Carcasses". Oh yeah, that's not the stench of thawing manure piles in Iowa, that's the stench of dead elephants. Bachmann is down, Perry too, and Newt is a wounded bull elephant, bleeding and on a revengeful rampage.

Santorum is trumpeting like a young bull elephant....Romney, the winded winner by a tusk-length, eyes the younger bull with fear and loathing in mind....Romney thought he was the uncontested alpha male in the herd.....young Santorum is now in rut.

And Ron Paul, the saggy, baggy pachyderm with the sad eyes? That old bull finished third, but he's not bleeding; he trods on relentlessly. After the Iowa Super-PAC bloodbath, he could go rogue and bolt the herd....as a Libertarian candidate, the old bull could bring down the presidential aspirations of both Newt and Santorum.

Go Ron, Go!

Go get 'em Newt!

By: yogiman on 1/4/12 at 9:28

Oh, by the way, Kosh III,

I was presuming your wife to be an American citizen. Otherwise, if she is a Chinese citizen, would your child be a Chinese citizen or American citizen?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 9:34

LOL Loner.

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 9:37

Get the E-tranquilizer dart gun ready...the bear is sniffing for an opening to utter his painful utterances....."USURPER"...."NATIVE BORN"..."NATURAL BORN".... ad nauseum.....perhaps he can stifle himself...but I doubt it.

We are freezing our behinds off in Western New York this morning...8 degrees F.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 9:42

DON’T FEED THE TROLL!

Sorry to hear Loner, we are warming up.

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 9:58

Glad you liked that, Captain.

Looks like Santorum's "bird hunt' gambit paid off...the dead bird offerings worked like a charm; he ripped a page out of dick Cheney's playbook....the right-to-lifers love a dead bird sacrifice....the feathers and pheasant entrails flew in Iowa....Rick Santorum is the new Dick Cheney.

Santorum threatened to bomb Iran, on network TV, Sunday morning...again, the right-to-lifers and born-agains went for that stuff, like wolves devouring raw meat. The sober, saintly and sanctimonious Santorum is definitely in this thing..at least the VP spot, IMO.

Mitt, the heretic and Rick the evangelical...there's a ticket...a match made in heaven.

If Iraq is in chaos by election time and if gas is substantially more expensive come November then the heretic and the saint have a shot.

But, if Ron Paul goes rogue, and the above scenario is in place...more war and inflation...then Paul will take votes from Obama's base too. It is entirely possible that a 3-way race, Obama-Romney-Paul, could go to the House, or the USSC to decide...the old Electoral College SNAFU could bugger the election ....again.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/4/12 at 10:05

I wonder how many of the 1% think that Obama will not be re-elected. If there are such people among the 1% you can be assured that they inherited their money they did not make it.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/4/12 at 10:10

So far the best comment of the day is CAPTAIN NEMO and his reference to his reference to Jesus making sure everyone understands how the system works in a civilized country.

By: yogiman on 1/4/12 at 10:12

Sorry to insult you, Loner.

I thought it should be fairly easy to educate reasonably intelligent people the wording of the Constitution and some of the laws on restrictions to be eligible to be President of the United States.

There was reasonable reasons that clause was put on those requirements. But it seems we have too many uneducated idiots to understand the reasoning our founders put those qualifications in the Constitution.

I'm only going to post the 21 ways Barry Soetoro (Barack Obama) is radically re-shaping American in his own image, one per day until all shown. And if you people can't see what is going on in our country today, you're obviously more ignorant than shown to begin with.

But then, throw a stone at me and I'll throw a rock back at you.

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 10:18

Ras...if most of the top 1% (wealth) think Obama is going to be re-elected, as you claim...then they will refrain from donating much to the GOP losers, right?

If GOP funds are low, then you may be right. The Super-PACs may end up spending the big bucks, not the major political parties, now that Citizens United has recognized the constitutional person-hood of corporations, organizations and interest groups - giving unlimited and unfettered voice to the collective, by way of cash donations, sponsored ads etc. on behalf of candidates and parties.

Who needs a conventional regulated political party, when unregulated Super-PACs now have the power of the deep pockets to select, vet and anoint our leaders?

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 10:21

You're on a roll this morning, loner.

It's Allegory, Fable and Epitaph... Oh my!

Very entertaining to be sure. Add my thumb's up to Nemo's.

A sincere thank you too, Yogi, for agreeing to tone it down a bit and engage on the topic of the day instead of haranguing on the birther thing. That will make this all much more pleasant for everyone, I think.

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 10:24

If you mean this post, I agree, Rasputin:

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 8:14

My favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus gives money to the rich and tells the poor to suck it up and ask Caesar for his birth certificate.

I too got a charge out of that remark...sometimes sarcasm works, if there is truth in the point of the barb.

Great post, Captain, Nemo.

By: govskeptic on 1/4/12 at 10:30

Having spent some summer time in NH on several occasions
over the yrs it's no longer your father's "live free or die" state. The
heavy migration from Boston and other parts of over taxed Mass
has changed the state greatly. Remaining candidates should go
straight to South Carolina and let Mitt and Huntsman (712 Iowa votes)
fight it out for that one. Jon's daughter along with the Ingram Group
did a great job in Iowa?

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 10:31

Why, thank you, Doctor Dover.

I'm working two other BINGO cards this morning, both n the Jerusalem Post..I'll share the URLs if interested.

I need another latte and a bowl of Hempire State Green.....back in five minutes.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 10:35

It's a myth that the 1% are conservatives. They swing to Obama and the Libs about 4 to 1 over conservatives. All of this class envy crap is political theater and playing to well crafted and well preserved stereotypes.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 10:40

I'll have to be your wing-man on the other sites another day friend. I'm over-due on a year-end dead-line for a project I'm trying to bring in and won't have any time to play today. Enjoy your antisemitism and Jew-bashing though... and keep your ear to the ground for the Mossad. Sneaky little buggers, they are.

By: BenDover on 1/4/12 at 10:42

My favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus gives money to the rich and tells the poor to suck it up and ask Caesar for his birth certificate.

That's hysterical, Nemo.

By: govskeptic on 1/4/12 at 10:54

Closer to home: Those pesky Republicans up in Robertson & Sumner
County defeated their democratic opponent in a State Senate race
replacing Diana Black. 67% to 33%!

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 11:30

Here's an interesting piece of Iowa Caucus trivia....

How many times have the Republican Iowa Caucus selected the correct winning Presidential candidate when the GOP field was made up of non-incumbent candidates.

The answer: Once. In 2000 – George W. Bush.

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 11:38

BenDover said

"All of this class envy crap is political theater and playing to well crafted and well preserved stereotypes."

So what you're saying is that the top 1% (who have seen their overall wealth skyrocket over the past couple decades while the middle class have seen their wealth decline over the same period) are just SOOOOOOO much more intelligent than the rest of the country? Right.... there's no class warfare.

By the way, still waiting to here where that successful Libertarian country is that is a shining example to the rest of the world.

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 11:40

Is that a fact, Brrrrk? How about NH, any stats on their clairvoyance?

Will Ron Paul go rogue? That's the X-factor here, IMO....any thoughts on that, Brrrrk?

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 11:49

Ben knows stereotypes, his rhetoric is filled with them...from the "dirty hippies" (and the spoiled brat Occupy protesters) to the homeless "bums" and the "welfare queens".

Doctor Dover has the ability to generalize and rationalize, in order to satisfy his code of situational ethics....of course, we all tend to do that...I call it: "Self-bullshitization".

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 11:49

Loner said

"Is that a fact, Brrrrk? How about NH, any stats on their clairvoyance?

Will Ron Paul go rogue? That's the X-factor here, IMO....any thoughts on that, Brrrrk?"

The anti-"military industrial complex" candidate will go no where in the GOP, that's for sure..... in spite of the hard core supporters. And as for going rogue? Who knows. There's one for sure about Paul, his policies are such that there's something there for everyone to hate..... left, right, and in the middle.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/4/12 at 11:59

LONER, I would suspect that the Republicans could spend a trillion dollars and not elect a President this year.

There is a groundswell of people who realize that their remaining lives and the lives of their children will be mired in a mundane standard of living. The chances of these people moving themselves or their children to a higher rung are either slim or none.

The frustrations of these people and their animosity and envy towards the productive class naturally aligns their political thoughts towards anyone who will promise them a "chicken in their pot" courtesy of the increased taxation of the 1%.

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 12:03

Ladies & Gentlemen, we have an update on the elephant slaughter at the Iowa Carcasses...er, Iowa Caucuses....Michele Bachman is out...that was the source of the stink, according to local reports....but Rick Perry is not dead...he's alive, but limping and he vows to stay in the race until South Carolina...bless his pachyderm heart, gimpy, simpy, but not whimpy.

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 12:09

Rasputin72 said

"The frustrations of these people and their animosity and envy towards the productive class naturally aligns their political thoughts towards anyone who will promise them a 'chicken in their pot' courtesy of the increased taxation of the 1%."

The "productive class"?!?!?! Anyone who does their job well and brings home a pay check is productive. This idea that the 1% are the "productive class" simply because they're wealthy is complete Bullshit! The majority of jobs created in this country are created, not by the wealthy, but by people who have the commitment to an idea; by people who don't just throw money around, but are in there sweating just like everyone else. Frankly, what gives YOU the right to look down your nose at someone who works for a living? I remember a time in this country when working people where actually respected.

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 12:22

To paraphrase George Bailey......

Just remember this, Mr. Rasputin72 , that this "unproductive class" you're talking about... they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 12:22

Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 12:25

I agree, Brrrk, the military-industrial complex have not and will not support Ron Paul. But, at the risk of repeating myself too much, I would like to point out that the other two elements of the War Super-Lobby are also aligned against Ron Paul and his ideas.

Brrrrk rightly identified the Defense Lobby as one of the obstacles that Ron Paul would have to hurdle over or circumvent in order to be president. The other two members of the tripartite War Super-Lobby are the Israel Lobby and the Energy Lobby....it's DIE, not just the D.

Paul has been painted as an anti-Semite and his so-called "isolationist" ideas conflict with the global schemes of the Energy Lobby. Ron Paul will get no support from DIE.

Obama signed into law a piece of legislation that would allow detention of US citizens within the US without charge, indefinitely...included in the bill was a provision for economic warfare against the Iranians...crippling sanctions against their central bank, the oil dealers.

This puts the Persians backs to the wall; like the US did to the Japanese, when we put the oil embargo on them...the attack on Pearl Harbor resulted. How soon we have forgotten...or do we want to instigate another war, by provoking the Persians with economic ruination?

Obama objected to the bill, but the guy signed it anyway....promising to ignore parts of the new law....like Bush used to do....the "signing statements" idea has caught on. Now, the Dems like the idea, under Bush, they deplored the idea. Again, situational ethics and self-bullshitization at the highest levels....they all suck...Dem and GOP alike.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/4/12 at 12:26

BRRRK...........I may have used the term "productive class" not to your vision. I regret that.

Let me ask you this? How many people do you know that are making $50,000 dollars a year or less that will vote Republican?

Let me ask you this? How many families in this country do you think there are that are making $75,000 dollars a year or lesss? How many of those family members of voting age will vote Republican?

The bottom line is that Republicans are a minority faction in this country and for the first time since 1952 can no longer skew an election based on money. Very sad but very true.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/4/12 at 12:26

"If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." -Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 12:26

Captain Nemo said

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas. -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009"

Crazy is as crazy does........

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 12:38

Well, Rasp, I agree with Brrrrk...your argument comes of a tad elitist...but I get your drift.

FDR promised a chicken in every pot...I'd vote for Ron Paul, if he promised pot for us chickens...he supports the idea of states rights on the Cannabis issue...Obama did too, as a candidate...but he has since proven to be a reneger...the US cracked down on California, Montana and Washington in 2011...their medical marijuana dispensaries and supply systems were disrupted...people were threatened with jail time etc.

At this point in my life, I'll vote for the dude promising to free the herb...liberate the medicine...let the states decide.

Kum-bah-Yah....can't we all just get a bong?

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 12:46

Rasputin72 said

"BRRRK...........I may have used the term "productive class" not to your vision. I regret that."

Sorry if I went off, but the fact is that I get upset when people who actually work hard and sweat for a living are denigrated just because they don't wear a suit to work or because they don't make a bucket load of cash. Everyone contributes in their own way and I'm tired of seeing people who get up in the wee hours, bust their collective asses all day, and come home exhausted, looked down upon simply because they might get their hands dirty for a living. It's just not right........

"Let me ask you this? How many people do you know that are making $50,000 dollars a year or less that will vote Republican?"

In this state? Unfortunately more than should.

"The bottom line is that Republicans are a minority faction in this country and for the first time since 1952 can no longer skew an election based on money. Very sad but very true."

Not sure on this statement... are you saying you're sad because Republicans are a minority faction (true enough for the more extreme of their ilk) or because they can't skew elections with money (which I can't agree with in light of the Citizens United decision and the pushing of laws in red states that attempt to suppress voting)?

Let us not forget the words of Paul Weyrich, one of the founding fathers of the current right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation who said....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes&feature=related

By: Loner on 1/4/12 at 12:55

Rasp...lots of born-again Christians make under $50K, yet vote GOP, and many of those voters are at or near the poverty level. They vote Republican for faith-based reasons....abortion, Israel, Creationism etc.

Lots of scab laborers making well under $50K and they vote Republican out of hatred of unions.

Some retirees, barely surviving on Social Security, will still vote Republican....for a host of reasons.

Millions of government workers vote Republican, even though that party eschews the institutions that issue their paychecks.

Lots of welfare recipients tune in to hear Rush Limbaugh every day...they love his wise-assed sarcasm...and his hate-filled rantings....even though the sadistic laughing is at their expense. These folks vote GOP for their own strange reasons.

Go figure.

By: brrrrk on 1/4/12 at 12:56

Loner,

While I agree that there are some attractive things about Ron Paul, as I said before, his policies are such that there's something there that is a non starter for almost everyone, regardless of their politics. I, for one, simply can't support him because of his passive support of state sanctioned bigotry and homophobia as well as his absolutist positions on deregulation.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/4/12 at 1:02

BRRRK...........I am a Republican who deplores the actions of Obama and the democratic party. I was born poor enough to understand how the world works. I am smart enough to know when the "jig is up" I am grateful that I was born at a time when one could rise from humble beginnings and make the big time. For that I will always be thankful.

Those times are gone. There will be at least one revolution before I pass on. It may not be riotious or insurrection but the common man wants my kind out of leadership. They are in the process of removing us via the ballot box. Change is on the way. It is the will of the majority. The middle class and the lower class are enjoining with the underclass to see to it that the wives of people like me no longer buy $600.00 shoes and $2.000 dollar purses at Nordstroms. I may not like it but I understand the process and how it is going to work. It is my job to dodge as many of the detours and obstacles as possible.I am positive that I can do this but whether or not my children can avoid being pulled into the masses is uncertain. As for my grandchildren "May God help them"

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By: yogiman on 1/4/12 at 1:06

The USA: How it used to be... and how it is now.

In 1952 President Truman established one day a year as "National Day of Prayer".

In 1988 President Reagan designated the First Thursday in May of each year as "The National Day of Prayer".

In June, 2007, then Presidential candidate Barack Obama declared the USA was "No longer a Christian Nation".

In 2008 President Obama canceled the 21st annual National Day of Prayer ceremony.

On September 25, 2009, a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion was held on Capitol Hill beside the White House (there was 50,000 Muslims in DC that day).

Go to www.islamoncapitolhill.com. What does the emblem now being presented by the President look like?