Up for Debate: Iowa's GOP aftermath

Thursday, January 5, 2012 at 12:36am

What do you make of the aftermath of the Iowa caucuses — John McCain backing Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul's showings, Michele Bachmann dropping out, etc.?

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By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 12:36

Common surprises in elections. Santorum was a great surprise.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 12:39

Obama exposure #4 Silencing Conservatives.
"Preside Barack Obama" will utilize the Fairness Doctrine and the power of the Executive branch to silence conservative opposition and deliver a damaging blow to free speech for all Americans.

By: dargent7 on 1/5/12 at 4:35

McCain's constant yammering on war issues and now his endorsement of Romney is I hope the kiss of death.
Bachmann, as well as Paul, never had or have a chance.
Santorum's 1st order of business will be to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortion illegal and a Capital crime warranting imprisionment.
Romney fip-flopped on that one too and will do the same.
Both will bomb Iran in their 1st 90 days. Sick-o's.
Nothing but filthy rich, white folk out of touch with America.
Obama is all we've got.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 5:49

Good morning, Nashville!

John McCain? I remember the good old days, when men who were defeated in their bid for the presidency shut their pie-holes and let the winner do his job without the loser whining and poo-pooing everything that the winner does. Those days of gentlemanly civility are long gone...John McCain is a pathetic loser of the first order.....nothing but a crybaby and obstructionist....borderline treasonous in many ways.

Santorum is now a young bull elephant in rut, trumpeting and snorting like a horny pachyderm at an elephant love-in....he'll have that erection from now until the election. His base likes the manly bulge....killing all those farm-raised pheasant gave the man big wood.

Newt should be striking back anytime now...but he lacks the Super-PAC power that Mitt and Santorum can call upon to destroy their enemies....Newt may have to settle for media crumbs, from this point on...he's viewed as a bitter loser....along the lines of Sperman Cain.

Rick Perry is limping, but still moving about...the old Southern racist is betting it all on South Carolina...where racism is considered a time-honored virtue. The secessionist talk is not catching on with the GOP base, like Perry had planned....but in SC, secession is always a popular topic.

Jeb Bush may be forced to come in and settle the thing...he's tanned and rested...and writing editorials. The Republicans love the royal family concept.

By: Ummm... on 1/5/12 at 5:53

Losing Bachmann will mean fewer laughs, but overall, the Republican field still offers some of the wackiest entertainment available.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 5:57

Results for Iowa Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)
Let's look at the raw numbers from the Iowa contest:

Jan 03, 2012 (100% of precincts reporting):

Mitt Romney 30,015 24.6%
Rick Santorum 30,007 24.5%
Ron Paul 26,219 21.4%
Newt Gingrich 16,251 13.3%
Rick Perry 12,604 10.3%

Source:AP

Looking at these results, it is plain to see that Ron Paul is getting ignored by the major media. Paul came in a very close third in a tight three-way race...less than 4% points separate Paul from Mitt....this is almost a three-way tie, but the media is leaving Paul's very respectable finish right out of the news...Helen Thomas explained why this is so.

Go Ron, Go!

By: govskeptic on 1/5/12 at 6:15

Just like Loner, I always check to see what Helen Thomas has to say on
the subject. It's important to know the opinions of the senile! Mitt will
win NH big although we can expect Newt to do his best to discredit Mitt
as fully as possible over this short week.
It will take SC to get the field down to maximum of 2 or possible 3, with
the nominee probably decided after Florida! Another debate this Saturday.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 6:24

Headline: Santorum Raises $1 Million in One Day

Source: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/rick-santorum-raises-1-million-one-day/47008/

My comment:

It figures....with the USSC giving corporations and special interest groups constitutional person-hood, (Citizens United ), a million dollars per day is mere chickenfeed. The sanctimonious and pious Rick Santorum is now a money magnet...he's got Christ's message and the devil's money to work with.

Obama spent nearly 750 million to win the WH in 2008, he will go well over a billion this time around....the Super-PACs will probably spend over a billion....the GOP will probably spend that much too.

How can this republic survive when there is this much legal corruption of what the Founders left us?

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 6:29

Gov sez: "It's important to know the opinions of the senile! "

That explains his love and veneration of Ronald Reagan, the so-called "Great Communicator".....Mister Senility himself....Reagan claimed that trees pollute the atmosphere and that ketchup was a vegetable..the Gipper will be remembered for those and other memorable quips.....Junior Bush's daddy and Nancy Reagan actually ran the show whole Ronny was off in the ozone.

By: dargent7 on 1/5/12 at 6:45

Any "white, rich, male", wanting to be to elected to a higher office, who want's to make abortion illegal, deny sex education, deny birth control, deny condoms, deny morning after pills, deny "being gay" is not a choice, is a derelect and will never be President of America.
Too many thinking women and gay people inhabiting the USA, thank God.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 6:47

We ignore Helen Thomas' warnings at our own peril...she pointed out the single biggest danger to our security, sovereignty and independence.

Excoriated as a "Jew-hater", Helen dared to touch the third rail of American politics...she paid a hellish price...even her Alma Mater disassociated themselves from her and did away with a scholarship named in her honor.

Helen merely spoke the truth: Congress, the WH, Wall Street and Hollywood are in fact owned and operated by Zionists...a Zionists is a person of any race, creed or color that believes that the Jews are God's Chosen People and that Palestine is the Promised Land. Most Americans are Zionists...every elected federal lawmaker certainly is.

There are very few in Congress, in the WH, in Hollywood or on Wall Street who do not believe that the Jews are God's Chosen People and that Palestine is their Promised Land. To believe otherwise is considered bigotry these days.

The media tried to create the illusion that the word, "Zionist" was a racial, religious and ethnic slur...that's absurd...Th. Herzl, the father of the Jewish State concept, and his colleagues and followers used the word profusely. The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) is alive and well and very politically active....Google it.

Remember the War Super-Lobby is composed of the Defense, Israel & Energy lobbies (DIE) - their selfish special interests overlap in the Middle East...you can't fight just two out of the three, you gotta fight all three, or you are wasting your time.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 6:57

Yeah, but Darge, Rick "Ken Doll" Santorum has the good hair and the baby-face....and seven kids...and a devoted wife...and he likes to "hunt"....what more will it take to satisfy you....sheeesh!

I'm sure that the Taliban, Al Qaeda, the Mujahadeen and the rest of what the Israelis call, "The Global Jihad" are just sh*tting in their cammies and sweating up their turbans at the thought of Saint Santorum targeting their Islamic @sses.

Holy Wars Suck....and holy warriors like Santorum are being sucked into positions of power...Rick is playing the Armageddon card....his base is in ecstacy...the Rapture draweth nigh....Santorum could win this thing...he could go all the way.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 7:16

Santorum is young and has the political experience. When he wins it, he should bring Ron Paul in as Sec. of Treasury to clean that mess up.

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 7:43

"I remember the good old days, when men who were defeated in their bid for the presidency shut their pie-holes and let the winner do his job without the loser whining and poo-pooing everything that the winner does." loner

Like Al Gore? John Kerry? Jimmy Carter? ... Even Wild Bill couldn't keep his mouth shut after leaving office.

By: global_citizen on 1/5/12 at 8:04

Rick Santorum had the good fortune of being last in the merry go round that saw one "not Romney" candidate after another rise to favor, just in time for the Iowa caucuses. He'll have no more staying power than any of the rest of the candidates whose political shine came and went.

Romney will win New Hampshire, Santorum likely will not finish in the top three there. I predict New Hampshire will be 1) Romney, 2) Paul, 3) Huntsman.

Next to South Carolina. Santorum may have a chance of winning this one because of the strong evangelical vote there. But that is likely Santorum's last hurrah.

Next is Florida, which will likely go to Romney, and from then on Romney will be the inevitable candidate, to the consternation of many conservatives who demand candidates who are theological and political purists.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 8:06

But they are dumbacraps, BenDover. It's not ethical for them. They needed to let the people know what kind a man beat their a$$es.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/5/12 at 8:06

The democrats and their underclass and welfare followers should sleep well until the money of the productive class runs out. The only thing Iowa proved was the Republicans do not have a candidate that can beat Barack Hussein Obama.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 8:07

Sorry, Ben, but those Democratic losers actually do keep their pie-holes shut...when's the last time any of them called a press conference or wrote a political editorial, for example?

Jimmy Carter is a model for ex-presidents...he has devoted himself to good works for the less fortunate among us.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 8:18

God told Bachman and Cain to run. Perhaps God should have told them that they would lose.

Rick Perry exhibits that his ego far outweighs his intelligent.

Newt Ginrich is as arrogant as ever and will farther slim the party with his dirty tricks.

Mitt Romney is still the best for the GOP, but is the GOP the best for Romney.

Rick Santorum is a better poker player, but can he get the money to back him in the tournament?

Ron Paul is clever and has the smarts to go far.

The Republican party is now facing what the Democratic part has faced for years, large diversity of constituents with many views about how America should be.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 8:22

That is the only good thing Jimmy Carter has done, Loner, except raise peanuts.

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 8:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGC8JaijI0

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 8:42

That is right! I did not need Gore to tell me that.

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 8:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hevInR6ukpE

By: Moonglow1 on 1/5/12 at 8:46

Moonglow1: The Koch brothers did not obtain their desired ROI when they invested their money in Perry. Santorum may win SC as that southern state fears Mormons. Santorum is too radical to make it all the way. Now Newt, The Self Proclaimed Intellectual" is aiming his gun at Romney. He wants to take him down. If Newt is going nowhere, he is making sure Romney goes down too. Romney is the only viable candidate
which is why the Teas are concerned. They are all so pathetic including the "independent" Ron Paul.

The Teas are still complaining about Al Gore as noted in this post. Too bad. Had he be the President instead of that crack head Bush, we would certainly be in better economic shape than we are now as we would not have started a fake war with Iraq and we would be leaders in the fight against climate change. The Kochs and ALEC would be subdued. Remeber the Bush war cry "Git him dead or alive. ". Well he could not do so. Instead Obama had to finish the job. By the way, Condi Rice must be in mourning since Obama killed her boyfriend Quadafi in Libya. Yes so true he really liked Condi. I guess that is why Bush left him alone.

Bachmann was and is a complete joke, a fool, and an embarrassment to the State of Minn. She is similar to Palen-a nut job. All of the Tea Nuts made fun of Hilary Clinton 24\7. Hilary is smart which just kills the Tea Nuts. They prefer whack jobs like Backmann and Palin.

Our country is no longer the shining light in the world. We are owned by oil interests like the Kochs who amassed billions from favorable government policies and corporate welfare. The Tea Nuts are financed by The Kochs and others like them who hide in the shadows. These corporate soul less greedy nut jobs now own the USA.

Hurray for the Occupy Movement: give these Tea Nut Jobs a run for their money.

The biggest winner in Iowa was Obama.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 9:06

Perry, Perry, Quite Contrary
By NATE SILVER

Hypothetical Scenario A: Although most of Mr. Perry’s strategists were urging him to drop out of the race, he prayed on the decision, talked it over with his wife, and decided to ignore their advice. There was a strong emotional element to the decision: Mr. Perry felt embarrassed by his performance in Iowa and wanted the opportunity to redeem himself and go out on a better note.

Hypothetical Scenario B: Mr. Perry was prepared to drop out of the race, but his advisers saw a credible path to victory and urged otherwise. Moreover, he received a string of phone calls, text messages and e-mails from major donors, Republican elected officials and conservative activists who expressed their support and told him that he should press on. These party elites were concerned that Mr. Romney was going to waltz to the nomination, and they were either poorly disposed toward Rick Santorum or convinced that Mr. Santorum lacked the resources to seriously challenge Mr. Romney.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/perry-perry-quite-contrary/

By: BigPapa on 1/5/12 at 9:43

The GOP does resemble the Dems of recent past, they get tunnel vision and lose site of the real goal, beating the other guy.

Look at who the Dems ran in some races and you have to step back and wonder if they REALLY went into the race thinking "yeah, this guy can beat ____" The GOP is in the same position now, they haggle about minor inner party issues while forgetting that the real goal is to get someone that can beat Obama.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 10:07

BigPapa,

I think Obama has beat himself. Let's see what happens in the court in Alabama on the 9th when the case comes before the judge that agreed to hear it.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 10:46

yogiman said

"Obama exposure #4 Silencing Conservatives.
"Preside Barack Obama" will utilize the Fairness Doctrine and the power of the Executive branch to silence conservative opposition and deliver a damaging blow to free speech for all Americans."

Once again you show your ignorance. I suggest you look up the fairness doctrine rather than accept the talking points from the right..... because it's obvious to me that you have absolutely no idea as to what it actually means. In fact, if anything, I would think a true conservative would be in favor of the fairness doctrine because it actually promotes freedom of speech for ALL opinions.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 10:49

BigPapa it was the Neo-Cons now Tea Party that has lead the GOP a stray from its values. Principles have been sacrifice just to gain control of America.

The Republican party is like a religion that need more converts and is willing to change the fundamental values of that religion and adopt parts of the new flocks belief into their belief to get and keep the new followers. The more new members into the GOP belief system, the farther the party drifts from their origin, hence the scramble message and flock we see today.

In its rush for power and votes the GOP has been broken down into divisions; Abortions opponents, Death penalty proponents, no taxes worshipers, NRA rangers, Christian socialites, Gay bashing and so on. It has become a sub-culture in America and the leader of anyone that will vote them into power and become the Master Race.

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 11:00

The fairness doctrine effectively shuts down all radio and TV political commentary because when you host a segment of political commentary any yahoo can sue you for equal time. The effect would be we'd revert back to all sit-coms, westerns, music radio and nightly news where the anchors lie about having no bias.

No thank you. I like my bias labeled as commentary; unfettered and undiluted by the public access crowd and the Ron Applewhite nutzoids.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 11:00

Let Santorum have his day in the sun. After all, they say sunlight is the best disinfectant. Just wait till the general public finds out that if this goober had his way, ALL forms of contraception would become illegal (including condoms) and that ALL abortions would become illegal (even in cases of rape). Keep moving along.... no extremist here.

Oh, and let's also not forget that Santorum has been working as a lobbyist (excuse me.... consultant) for the last few years. AND that in 2006 Santorum was identified by the watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, as one of the most (if not THE most) corrupt Senator of the year.

Hey, he might be perfect candidate for the GOP after all.......

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 11:04

BenDover said

"The fairness doctrine effectively shuts down all radio and TV political commentary because when you host a segment of political commentary any yahoo can sue you for equal time."

Did you actually read what you just typed.......

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 11:09

Well, brrrrk,

He'd sure be better than what's in there now. I have never seen a better actor nor heard a bigger liar than your man. Even Bill Clinton. He's got Billy Boy beat by a long shot.

Just wondering: What would be you and yours opinions if he was in that office as a Republican? I'd bet your whole attitudes would be different.

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 11:14

Do you really want every fawning NPR adulation over Obama to be balanced out by giving Yogi equal time with his birther rants? Let the TV and radio stations produce the shows they want and leave the nutsos on the internet.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 11:21

brrrrk,

Your comment; "once you show your ignorance"..., I hate to say it, but you're showing your ignorance on these issues everyday.

I can hardly wait until Nov. 6. You and yours will see how ignorant you are. Especially if we aren't allowed to have an election. Or at least if he tries that routine. The poor man simply doesn't know what real Americans are.

Why do you think the gun sales and ammunition sales have sky rocketed lately?

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 11:25

The 'Fairness' doctrine amounts to just a power grab by the government to shut up Fox News and Talk Radio.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 11:26

BenDover,

I hate to 'say' it, but November 6 will show who the ignorant nutsos are on this site.Can't wait for it.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 11:41

BenDover said

"The 'Fairness' doctrine amounts to just a power grab by the government to shut up Fox News and Talk Radio."

I'd expect that kind of trite crap from yogi.... but you Ben?

So is it of your opinion than that only those who can afford the expense should have the "right" to express their opinions over the public airwaves? Apparently you're not old enough to remember the days (under the fairness doctrine) when all news shows allocated a small amount of time (usually about a minute) at the end of each show for members of the public to express their opinions. Frankly I see nothing wrong with that......

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 12:06

It would eliminate talk radio as a format because it was upon its abolition that talk radio came about, brrrk. You can talk all you like... even believe... that it's to give a voice to the little man but the real purpose is to shut up the 'big man' behind the EIB microphone and that would be its net effect.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 12:20

BenDover say

"It would eliminate talk radio as a format because it was upon its abolition that talk radio came about, brrrk. You can talk all you like... even believe... that it's to give a voice to the little man but the real purpose is to shut up the 'big man' behind the EIB microphone and that would be its net effect."

No, what it might do away with, if anything, is one sided talk radio. So, unless you've got a problem with hearing other peoples opinions, what's the big deal? Remember, this gives your side the same rights........... and I've got no problem with that. In fact I appreciate hearing the other side. Could it be that what you're ultimately afraid of is the possibility that your ideas simply won't stand the test? C'mon.... don't be afraid, the intellectual waters are fine; jump on in..... unless you're scared.

By: BigPapa on 1/5/12 at 12:40

" think Obama has beat himself. Let's see what happens in the court in Alabama on the 9th when the case comes before the judge that agreed to hear it."

I dont think that will cause one person to vote one way or the other. Also despite Obama being (IMO) the worst president since Jimmy Carter, he will be re-elected. The GOP has blow the chance to make him a one term president by floundering around and not getting a REAL candidate and consolidating behind that candidate.

Too me it should be painfully clear that it's better to have someone that's counter to Obama, and even if he doesn't represent every little view you may have, isn't ANY Rep. better than one Obama?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 12:42

Ben and brrrrk can have a descent debate and each has his own valid point.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 12:46

The campaign has just started, BigPapa. The door is still open for any candidate.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 12:48

How can you be so sure BigPapa? Are the GOP candidates so bad that you can make such a confident prediction?

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 12:52

Excuse me, Captain Nemo,

You say Ben and brrrrk can have a debate and each can have his own valid point, but I should not offer a debate because y'all disagree with my point.

What kind of "fairness" is that?

By: BigPapa on 1/5/12 at 1:00

I don't see anyone that can beat Obama. That's why I say that.

I can't stand that guy, but he's got it made, he'll cruise to an easy victory.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 1:07

BigPapa, I think Romney would come close to beating him, if not for the "fearful" that hate his Mormoness.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 1:09

There are the pros and cons to any debate, yin and yang if you like. Then there are the Black Holds.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 1:12

shb Whole.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/5/12 at 1:15

I am amazed at how many people think this election is going to be competitive. Obama a very very weak President is up against a minority party (Republicans) with no viable candidate to appease the people making $50,000 dollars a year or less. These are the people who will elect the next President of the United States. These people in lieu of their own abilities want the people who pay the most in taxes to pay more so that they can have a "free piece of pie."

Today for the second time during his term of office Obama did something right. He appointed a Consumer Protection Head who has the brains and the will to go after the real cuplrits in American society. "The Wall Street charlatans" headed up by Goldman Sachs.