Up for Debate: Iowa's GOP aftermath

Thursday, January 5, 2012 at 12:36am

What do you make of the aftermath of the Iowa caucuses — John McCain backing Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul's showings, Michele Bachmann dropping out, etc.?

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78 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 1:16

You maybe right BigPapa. The GOP’s cream of the crop does seem to be moldy. The Republicans have lost their way as for as their Principles go.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 1:21

Unless you consider the 1% being all Republican, then I don’t see where you can call Republicans a minority.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 1:28

If, as you state, no one can beat Obama... and we have an election... and he wins... that should scare the hell out of you.

2008 may have been out last election. If not, and "Obama" 'wins' again this year, 2012 will be our last election.

And you can quote me on that.

By: BenDover on 1/5/12 at 1:43

Brrrk, I listen to NPR all the time... if I want a variety of formats I switch the channel

On a bigger note here though at least Rush labels himself as a commentator rather than NPR which labels its liberally slanted reporting as unbiased news.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 2:03

BenDover on 1/5/12 at 1:43

"Brrrk, I listen to NPR all the time... if I want a variety of formats I switch the channel"

And if there is no variety? Are there any liberal talkers in this area (in spite of the fact that this is primarily a liberal district)? You're really going to equate Rush to NPR? Appears you and yogi really aren't that far apart, are you?

But on the topic of talk radio, how often is it that you can listen to someone like Rush, Hannity or O'Reilly and hear anything other than a conservative caller? They screen heavily.... you know it, I know it (again, what are they afraid of?). That's why, when I do listen to these three (and the rest of their ilk) I only listen for about 15 minutes. Why? Because I can essentially get the gist of the days entire show (including daily talking points) in that 15 minutes because they bang the same drum for the rest of the show. They don't want to hear anything that might come close to an opposing view, let alone a liberal one.

On the other hand, most of the liberal talkers that I do listen to (online for the most part) not only accept calls from right wingers, but in most cases welcome them. Thom Hartmann even goes so far as to have a phone line allocated just for conservatives to call in, and when they do [call in], they are moved to the front of the line. Tell me of one, just ONE, conservative talker who does anything remotely like that.

By: BigPapa on 1/5/12 at 2:26

If the GOP comes up with someone youthful, bright and principled I do think Obama can be beat. I think more people in the US believe the (supposed)core principles of the GOP: less government in your life, free enterprise, anti-union, against the welfare state, strong defense.
However the GOP needs to keep from getting bogged down in gay bashing, latio bashing (stupid because they are a natural GOP base), catering to the overly churchy crowd, etc.. These distractions get in the way and take the candidate off message and are really irrelevant to governing.

I dont think Obama will lead an over throw of the government or anything crazy, I just think he'll continue to be a terrible president for 4 more years.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 2:29

Comparing NPR to Limbaugh, that is like calling an intellect to a hayseed. Ben I know you can do better than that. lol

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 2:35

At less you make sense BigPapa, but does that welfare include the corporations from get handouts? Does it mean there should never be any taxes raised, no matter what?

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 2:38

Christian radio is right-wing radio...very political these days. The devil never gets equal time....no fair!

When Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine a series of events was set into motion that resulted in some unforeseen consequences. Now we have FOX News calling itself "fair and balanced"...with a straight face.

With the proliferation of radio, TV, print and online media, people can now tune in to their particular flavor of bias 24/7 and 365. Round the clock hate is now available.

A few rich fat cats bought up the Clear Channel AM spectrum...it's all right-wing propaganda nowadays.

Rupert Murdoch bought the WSJ a few years ago, nowadays it is just a jingoistic, yellow journalism tabloid...highly political and no longer a source for good financial news and views....Rupert ruined it.

And NPR lost sight of its mission, IMO....and they have lost a lot of their funding. The idea was good, but they managed to defeat the purpose of the deal.

The internet now is here to save the day....but soon all the comment boards will be controlled by one or two companies and the list of filtered words and expressions is growing faster than Pinocchio's nose. And the government is trying to tamp down the freedoms and liberties that we enjoy here...these are the good old days.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 2:49

BigPapa said

"against the welfare state"

Curious, BP.... does that include states that receive more in Federal funding than they pay in Federal taxes? Like Tennessee? As they say, "what's good for the goose...."

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 2:53

Tell me again how the Germans have it all wrong.

Germany's unemployment rate at record low in December

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16390429

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 2:58

BigPapa said

"However the GOP needs to keep from getting bogged down in gay bashing, latio bashing (stupid because they are a natural GOP base), catering to the overly churchy crowd, etc.."

So you're suggesting that they pretend to be something else..... you can paint stripes on an ass and call it a zebra, but it's still an ass.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 3:01

Big Papa is back? That's good...we need a diversity of views and he expresses himself quite well.

Happy New Year, Big Papa!

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 3:01

If freedom of speech comes from the right then it is alright to speak for “WE” the People. However freedom of speech becomes something different if it comes from the left and we can not let “Them” speak.

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 3:10

By: BigPapa on 1/5/12 at 9:43

The GOP does resemble the Dems of recent past, they get tunnel vision and lose site of the real goal, beating the other guy.

Therein lies the problem...it's the "goal" thing. Both parties seem to concentrate on the goal of winning elections; they ought to concentrate more on how to effectively and fairly govern once elected...in my humble opinion.

By: BigPapa on 1/5/12 at 3:24

"So you're suggesting that they pretend to be something else." if you read what I wrote I said they don't need to do it- period.

If you really are against gov. interference in people's daily lives (and states rights), then many of those social issues take care of themselves.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 3:27

I think the problem is more than that Loner. If the candidate or the already elected politician speaks the truth, then the constituents will not elect him/her. I think the public is just as much at fault as the politician.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 3:32

What is the difference in government interference in peoples lives and States Rights to interfere in peoples lives?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 3:35

Now we got Loner and BigPapa to add to the good debate today.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 3:37

Loner,

You "opinion" is of the days of old. Then they decided they could make a career out of it and take over the control.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 3:46

Captain Nemo said

"I think the problem is more than that Loner. If the candidate or the already elected politician speaks the truth, then the constituents will not elect him/her. I think the public is just as much at fault as the politician."

Good point....

Meanwhile we have a sitting president being threatened by an industry leader.

"American Petroleum Institute President Jack Gerard urged Obama to quickly approve the pipeline, which would carry oil sands crude from Alberta, Canada, to refineries along the Gulf Coast ...

'I think it would be a huge mistake on the part of the president of the United States to deny the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline,' Gerard said during the powerful oil industry trade association’s annual 'State of American Energy' event Wednesday. 'Clearly, the Keystone XL pipeline is in the national interest. A determination to decide anything less than that I believe will have huge political consequences.'"

And what Gerard isn't telling you is that we are already refining about a million barrels a day of tar sand oil in states like Montana.... delivered via a pipeline. The Keystone would extend that pipeline to Gulf Coast (primarily Texas) refineries and pull the current refining from Montana so that the fuel can be more easily exported. So if you think that the Keystone is going to do jack-shit for our fuel situation, well guess again.....

Oh, and here's the kicker. That fuel will sell for significantly less than what we would pay for it hear because 1) the fuel market overseas is far more competitive and 2) they've artificially increased the cost of refined fuels in this country to make up for the fact that we're becoming more energy efficient and are therefore using less fuel.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 3:57

Ok, let's talk about jobs.........

CBF Report Debunks Myth: "Environmental Regulations Cost Jobs, Kill Business"

http://www.cbf.org/page.aspx?pid=2794

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 3:57

To have fun and enjoy the weekend, I suggest you look into the House bill HR 1540; check sections 1021 & 1022.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 4:02

You might also want to add the Senate bill 1867 and check sections 1031 and 1032. Interesting.

By: brrrrk on 1/5/12 at 4:16

BigPapa said

"If you really are against gov. interference in people's daily lives (and states rights), then many of those social issues take care of themselves."

Ok, give me a tangible example.... not a coulda, woulda, shoulda, but a real example. Because I'll bet for every example you give, I can chew it up....

By: Loner on 1/5/12 at 5:00

The Defense industry is becoming more internationalized, and the Energy industry is a multi-national conglomeration; their lobbying is not done with the American public's interest in mind... those two lobbies represent two-thirds of the War Super-Lobby. The other third of the tripartite consortium is the Israel lobby; they lobby for Israel's interests, not those of the American public.

The Defense, Israel & Energy lobbies, ....acronym: DIE.... collectively constitute what I call "the War Super-Lobby" . Their interests overlap Middle East.

The Citizens United decision has supercharged these 3 already powerful lobbies and when the three work in concert with each other they exert an irresistible influence upon the federal government. All the serious candidates for federal office are vetted and funded by some component of the War Super-Lobby.

We've all heard the old one-liner: "Money talks, bullshit walks". The US Supreme Court took that comedic quip seriously. They decided that limiting campaign donations is limiting free speech. Like they say, free speech ain't free...it's bought and paid for, just like our federal government...the best that money can buy.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/5/12 at 5:02

I coulda, woulda, shoulda stay on to fine out what, but I ain'ta won'ta goingna. Good night!!!LOL

By: pswindle on 1/5/12 at 6:40

How in the hell can you say that Presdient Obama is the worse president.? Have you forgotten about Bush. Our President is a smart man with a mission of saving the country in which Bush/Cheney almost destroyed.