Up for Debate: Judge says mosque can open

Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:28am

What do you make of the lawsuits filed by both the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro and the U.S. Attorney's Office Wednesday as well as a judge's subsequent ruling that the mosque can open for Ramadan? What do you think the next move for Rutherford County government is, or should be?

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168 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 5:16

Given the history of this mosque and the attitudes toward Muslims in Tenn., the place will burn down in the first month of being open.
Sorry, but Islam won't take hold in middle Tenn.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 6:12

Ran into two nutjobs at Walgreens a few weeks ago...had my daughter with me, they were discussing the "conspiracy" to replace the TN constitution with Sharia Law...I told my daughter that, unfortunately, sometimes people who need psychiatric help slip through the cracks...

Kinda like yogi...

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 6:38

Call it what you like, gdiafarte.

Your ignorance indicates you have a hard lesson for you to learn and a weak mind to learn it with..

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 6:44

Yeah, ok...whatever you say...lol

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 6:45

The US of A is like a welcome club by being too open to everyone on this earth. To welcome a faith that believes if you don't belong to that faith you deserve to die is opening the door for to death.

Why are mosques being open in a vast majority over the nation. Where did so many of the Muslims come from? And for what reason have they come to the USA? What is their line of work?

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 6:47

Ok.
I hope the FBI or ICE, or some other Federal agency has an Arabic speaking person attend these Ramadan prayer meetings.
I distinctly remember the guy dressed up like Santa Claus in NYC (a blind cleric) incite riots and demanded NYC be blown up. Nobody spoke Arabic to figure out what he was saying.
This was 1989 or so when the first team of ass-holes usd fertilizer in a Ryder truck to detonate in the garage in the World Trade Center.
They caught them by the axle on the truck and traced it to these same numb-skulls who used a credit card at the truck rental.
Then we had 9/11. We in America need to know what these so called clerics, Imams are "preaching". If I heard ONE word of hatred for the United States or incinderary language to "blow up" anything for "Al'lah" and a "holy war, aka, "jihad", I'd take it personally.
If they are all about "love & peace", play a Beatles record over the loud-speakers, for Christ's sake.
Am I scared? No. Am I vigilant? Yes.

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 6:50

"yogi": And this happens only once, every 4,000 years...you and I are on the same page.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 6:53

Yogi, there have been Mosques and Muslims here for years...that's what happens in a free country.

Maybe you should refresh your memory regarding the establishment and free exercise clauses of the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 6:57

Darge, everyone, the Muslim religion didn't attack us on 9/11...extremists did. They come in all shape and fashion...and yes, even include Christians (you know, those crazy cats that blow up abortion clinics).

I'm all for being diligent regarding terrorism, but you can't paint with such a broad stroke.

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 7:08

A few things to consider today:

In 1952 President Truman established a "National Day of Prayer".

In 1988 President Reagan designated the First Thursday in May of each year as the National Day of Prayer.

In June 2007 [then] Presidential candidate Barack Obama declared that the USA was "no longer a Christian nation".

This year "President" Obama canceled the 21st annual National Day of Prayer at the White House under the ruse of "not wanting to offend anyone."

But on September 25, 2009 from 4AMuntil 7PM a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion was held on Capitol Hill beside the White House. There were over 50,000 Muslims in DC that day. Barack Obama prays with Muslims.

It probably doesn't matter if Christians are offended by this event as we obviously don't "count" any more.

The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian in the USA, especially knowing the Muslim faith believes if Christians can't be converted they should be annihilated.

If you think this is a rumor full of BS, go to www.islamoncapitolhill.com

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:08

gD: Ok, they WHY are virtually ALL suicide bombers Muslim?
Worldwide.
Sure, we had McVeigh and Randolph, and Ted Kazinski.
But, read the daily papers....every week there's a bombing at a bazzar in Iraq, that we paid $1. trillion "to save".
No bombings in Japan, China, Singapore, Vietnam, India, Korea.
All in the Middle East which is 98% Muslim.
All by Muslims. No Hindus, Buddhists. No Mormons, Catholics, Methodists.
Always a Muslim.
Something's fish with that religion.

By: govskeptic on 7/19/12 at 7:18

Federal Judges nationwide love to let the State Courts know who is the
"Big Daddy" in all matters. Certainly has always been the case here in
Middle Tn. As to the US Attorney being active in this case, Attorney General
Holder has made these type cases number one, if they can connect
any Muslim problem by any stretch with Civil Rights laws. No surprise in
this case as well, even though it was simply a hearing notice law violation!

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:22

Christians have done far more to damage this country than Muslims. Over a decade after 9/11 and the hysteria continues...

Lennon was right...imagine no religion...

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 7:22

I don't agree with how they treat their women.. but I'm an overly sensitive, touchy-feely type guy. sniff..

By: Rasputin72 on 7/19/12 at 7:25

There is no reason not to have a mosque as long as it is gated. These people need their privacy. I do not see muslims as being anymore a threat to this country than the politicians or the Supreme court.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:26

I don't agree with most organized religion...but that's not the point...the point is that the practice of religion is guaranteed under the 1st amendment.

I knew you were a bleeding heart, slacker...

By: parnell3rd on 7/19/12 at 7:30

The Man who shot 2 men killing one in Ft. Smith Ak. was from Nashville. He converted to Islam here, was rdicalized in Nashville/Memphis.
gdiafnate is right, we can worship all religions here. Our gov't ignores the facts when it comes to violence from Muslims towards other people. But if a Muslim is threatened our gov't steps in to over protect their religion.
I do not recall McVeigh, Randolph or Kayzinski professing to be devout Christians. Besides, remember how fast the Clinton administration tried, convicted, and executed McVeigh? And know 2 years later the Obama Administration is still sendeing a paycheck to Major Nadal(?) the man who murdered 14 people in Ft. Hood. He has been allowed to grow a beard, he is enjoying life while 14 people are dead and families suffering.
Amazing how ,even after his Superiors(which Bush was Commander in Chief) knew he was a radical Islamic he was promoted.

By: Kosh III on 7/19/12 at 7:31

The USA has NEVER been a "Christian" nation. Just ask the Cherokee, Kumeyaay or....

Real Christians don't invade other countries just to steal their territory and ruin them. Just ask Canada in 1812, Mexico in 1846, Spain in 1898 or Hawaii or the Dominican Republic or Iraq.....

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So what if the President prayed with Americans who are Muslim?
A couple of years ago I was listening to a lengthy interview of an RCC archbishop who had just returned from a month in Syria.
While there this archbishop was invited to the Grand Mosque for Friday services. The mosque is dedicated to John the Baptist. It has a side chapel dedicated to the Virgin Mary.
The seminary attached teaches cooperation and coexistence with other religions and actively encourages it's mullahs to work with other religions because they recognize, just as Paul said "we are all the children of God."
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Ever hear of the First Amendment?

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:32

I guess we could argue who was worse...Christians or Muslims.
People should read the Q'uran as soon as they're done with the US Constitution.
Muhammed was no Jesus Christ.
Not even in the same ball park. Not in the same Universe.
And Muslims "follow, adhere, worship, this "prophet"?
Right there goes to the core of their ideology and is skewed towards violence, lying, suppression, inflitrating, suicide, and killing. 72 virgins upon a jihad/ death? Or is it 108?
WTF?
Anyone crazy enough to believe that is too crazy for me to associate.

By: parnell3rd on 7/19/12 at 7:34

Oh, but how the news media pointed out the religous fanatics in Waco, Texas.
How the ATF alerted the media before the raid. The media loves some crazy white people but ignore other radical groups.
The ATF lost that battle. Had to call in the FBI to cover up their mistakes. And during the raid AG Janet Reno and Pres. Clinton was unavailable.

By: parnell3rd on 7/19/12 at 7:34

Yall have a great day!!! More coffee and work time!!!

By: slacker on 7/19/12 at 7:35

On the plus side.. their expertise in pyrotechnics, could be useful at the downtown 4th. of July celebration.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:37

Crazy is relative, Darge. You're saying that believing in an invisible guy in the sky is perfectly normal while dismissing whatever is taught in the Q'uran. Ironic.

And the Old Testament was brutal...God had no problem killing women and children...endorsing incest...advocating genocide...

But to his credit, he drew the line at sodomy.

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:38

The First and Second Amendments will become America's downfall.
Stetched to their limits, it's way beyond the scope of what the Fathers' intended.
Incinderary speech, carrying 9mm loaded hand-guns to church, bars, parks, with extended magazines capable of firing 32 rounds in 15 seconds. Amor peircing bullets.
That's what the Second Amendment is all about to Tennesseans?
Spray painting lewd and racist language on Mosques, black's and minorities homes, is what the First protects?
We, as a country, lost it about 10 years ago. It's all downhill from here.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:42

You're preaching to the choir on the second amendment, darge. The founders couldn't have fathomed assault weapons. And it is not unconstitutional to limit that right. Laws should be updated to reflect technology.

I disagree about the first, though. That's the one that makes us unique as a free nation.

By: budlight on 7/19/12 at 7:43

Our Muslim president has now reached an all time low level in my eyes. He claims he is for American jobs, yet Diane Sawyer reported that the Infrastructure rebuilding and repair jobs are being contracted to the Chinease. So our president protects muslims and gives chinease our jobs. Yeah, sounds reasonable to me. D7 you are correct. Just the whole idea of 72 virgins upon a jihad/death is sort of sick - kind of a sexual perversion. Americans can't fathom the old school Mormans with multiple wives, but a muslim sleeping with 72 women as reward for a killing - now that's OK to them. Sick!

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:43

And you should know, darge, that the first amendment doesn't protect hate speech. Does America need a giant Civics lesson?

Rhetorical...

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:44

God was and is. Someone went to a lot of trouble putting this Universe together. And, I call "it", God. You try creating a Universe that works, top to bottom, seamless, self functioning. Not just a prototype in your basement.
Jesus Christ....name ONE "bad" thing, thought, statement, He ever said or did.
Everything about Him was sane, logical to the point of, "Oh, Jesus Christ, not again!" I have to forgive that ass-hole, again..."? "I have to embrace everyone as "my brother?"
We're all together?
Now Mohammed...guy raped, killed, sodomized, seduced, persecuted.
Some role model and anyone following him is suspect, mentally, emotionally, morally.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 7:44

I am glade that it may open. I don't see any reason for the city not to give a permit.

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 7:45

You're right, gdiafarte,

There have been mosques in the US for years, but can you explain why [all of a sudden] they have become so well pronounced since Barack Obama went into the White House?

By: budlight on 7/19/12 at 7:48

Nemo, and if a strip joint or a night club wants to open next door to a school, then why not? As long as a Federal judge says it's OK, why not? Local laws of course. And the first judge ruled that there was not enough or proper notice given before the permits were issued. That is a valid point and one that must not be looked a lightly because it sets a precident!

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:49

Bud...correct me if I'm wrong, but the Feds only supply the money, the states are the ones who contract the labor, correct?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/bringing_america_back/american-infrastructure-jobs-shipped-china/story?id=14592567

So, in essence, the President says we need infrastructure repair, requests the money from Congress, Congress approves/disapproves and allocates money to the states, the states then have companies bid and choose the suitable contractor.

Is that how it happens?

It would seem that the states are to blame, in this instance. Now, if you want to argue about how our labor laws can't compete with cheap overseas labor, you have an argument...

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:49

Once again, every 4,000 or so years, I agree with BudLight Year.
So, I agree with Yogi and Bud both on the same day. The Mayan Calendar has spead up.
Today's the End.
ps. The lead guitarist from Deep Purple died....you guys remember the "Machine Head"
album? Listened to that straight and sober in H.S. (for a change).

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 7:50

It isn't the "religion" that should be held responsible for anything. It's the members of a religion who are responsible for their actions.

By: budlight on 7/19/12 at 7:51

Yogi, because he's their front man! Or is it point man? Anyway, I think he's a Muslim; always has been; always will be. His love for America shows up in his willingness to outsource our jobs to China and import them for the jobs he promised Americans. Didn't he say unemployment would go to 5.7% when he was elected Pressidente'? It's publically at over 8% and realistically at 15%. I love it when part time Christmas jobs are counted as Jobs! Yeah right!

Oh heck. This site is too much fun!

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:53

All you mosque and Muslim supporters..."google" Trojan Horse.
I'm serious.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:54

There have been mosques in the US for years, but can you explain why [all of a sudden] they have become so well pronounced since Barack Obama went into the White House?

Misinformation and fear. First, the President is not Muslim. And, if he was, it doesn't matter as there is no religious requirement to be President. He could be Buddist and it wouldn't matter. We might even elect a...**gasp**...Mormon.

Second, since 9/11 there has been a fear of Muslim takeover. It's irrational, unproven and generally promoted by fear-mongers, but it seems to have taken hold.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 7:55

I support the first amendment, Darge. You should look that up.

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:56

Obama attended the church in Chicago officiated by Rev. Wright for 25 years.
It wasn't Muslim. It was a predominently black congregation. And if anyone knows, blacks and whites don't worship the same way.
If you want "to get" Obama on something, anything, at least be accurate.

By: budlight on 7/19/12 at 7:56

Well G, Odrama steps in from everything to a DJ calling a basketball team "nappy headed" to a black friend of his getting arrested to a hispanic guy killing a black teenager. But when it comes to an army doctor killing americans on US soil at an army base or a state giving our hard earned money to a bunch of cheap labor chinease bureaucrats to build bridges in America, he's silent? Oh I see! Selective Speech!

NO Chinease contractor should be building anything on American soil without having to hire 75% of the workforce (upper managers all the way down) from the United States - legal citizens. Or any other company for that matter, especially when it's Federal or State funds being used. These funds, after all, come from the pockets of American Citizens - not chinease or otherwise!

By: dargent7 on 7/19/12 at 7:58

...as soon as I'm done with "The Q'uran for Dummies".
You should look THAT up.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 8:00

Did you read the article, Bud?

The company uses mostly U.S. labor, but many coveted skill jobs such as engineering and design work are Chinese. The profits will also go overseas.

You should know, there's a shortage of U.S. engineers, likely because of the state of education in this country. Also, remember that it's your ilk that have demonized education, so you get a considerably less intelligent society.

So Americans get the unskilled grunt jobs that are being managed by skilled foreigners.

We're our own worst enemy.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 8:01

If I wanted to read a work of fiction, Darge, I'd read the Bible.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 8:04

By: budlight on 7/19/12 at 7:48
Nemo, and if a strip joint or a night club wants to open next door to a school, then why not?

First off you ninny a strip club can not move next to a school zone, because it is not properly zone for it. Second if you think a religious house of God and a strip club are the same then you are one wild woman and not the type I would associate with.

By: budlight on 7/19/12 at 8:05

D7, you made sense in your post. I'm not afraid of Muslims as much as I am of a President who will give them the keys to the white house and the land. And since he came into power, they have grown at alarming rates, and built many mosques. Quietly seeping into the mainstream. And when the first Sharia law trial is held publically and the first woman is stoned for adultry by them in one of our cities, these "love 'em" folks will have to eat their words. It is just a matter of time. Then G and his ilk will be gulping and saying things like "I never thought that could happen to us". Not knowing of course that whatever can be conceived by the mind of man on this earth can happen to any one of us. I prefer to be a Christian nation - not a muslim nation.

The muslims have the middle east; now leave American alone.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 8:07

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 7:50
It isn't the "religion" that should be held responsible for anything. It's the members of a religion who are responsible for their actions.

Translation; confuse them.

By: gdiafante on 7/19/12 at 8:08

I prefer to be a Republic, not a Theocracy. We're more in danger of the religious Right taking over the country than Muslims.

As John Adams said, we're a nation of laws, not men. We're in no danger of Sharia Law, stonings or other hysterical ramblings.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 8:12

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 7:50
It isn't the "religion" that should be held responsible for anything. It's the members of a religion who are responsible for their actions.

All religions are not the work of God, but the creation of controlling hypocrites.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/19/12 at 8:13

Correction I should of say the religion is the work of Conquers and Dictators.

By: yogiman on 7/19/12 at 8:14

gdiafarte,

If Obama isn't a Muslim, why did he say he was in an interview with George Stephanopalous? He admitted it when he thanked John McCain for not mentioning it.

Facts are facts: He was raised as a Muslim on the paternal side of him family, including his stepfather. And he was raised as a communist on the maternal side of his family. Frank Marshal Davis was a main tutor for him and Frank Marshal Davis was a well know communist.

When you consider in 1996 Obama joined the Socialist Revolution Party, wouldn't you think he was a socialist?

And where was he born? In 1991 he was advertised as being born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. That ad stayed in effect until 2007 when he threw his hat in the ring for the White House.

Ethics: Whose side was he on when he went to Kenya to help a relative in a political race when he was in the Senate? Was he working as an American Senator or a Kenyan citizen?

One more question; why did his wife claim they went to Africa to visit his homeland of Kenya?