Up for Debate: Lance Armstrong's fall

Wednesday, October 17, 2012 at 11:54pm

Lance Armstrong, amid an apparent mass of evidence that he used performance enhancing drugs in his outstanding career, lost his Nike endorsement and stepped down from the leadership role of the cancer charity he started. What do all of these recent developments mean for his career and his accomplishments? Would it be better for him, or perhaps for his charity, if he owned up to the doping charges?

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103 Comments on this post:

By: brrrrk on 10/18/12 at 11:01

Ummm... said

"The founders would be stupefied, indeed, and with many other sights also. Unfortunately, getting the money out of politics and getting Israel's influence out of Washington seem equally impossible to me. And, as far back as Eisenhower's farewell address, the "military-industrial complex" has been identified as a villainous force in our government, yet its power continues unabated."

Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler's book, War is a Racket.... published in 1935. If you can't find it in a store, you can download it from Amazon for a little bit of nothing.

It begins......

"WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 11:04

judy, I agree that BRT isn't necessarily the best idea and I don't think West End is the right place. Maybe Charlotte? We desperately do need a better transit system and parking down town will get more and more limited as we grow. My pet peeve is the amount of money being spent on the roundabout that will be placed on Murphy Road and 46th. That is totally unnecessary IMO.

By: Loner on 10/18/12 at 11:05

Ummm asked, "When rigid adherence to your ideals causes you to lose your ability to promote them, what have you gained?"

That's easy, I gain self-respect....what's more valuable than that?

As for "moderation", it has a time and a place....but the squeaky wheel gets the grease...so I squeak as loud as I can, when it is appropriate. Of course, each of us must judge what is "appropriate" for ourselves....we all have differing values and different priorities.

By: Ummm... on 10/18/12 at 11:09

Loner, you can wear your "banning" from that forum as a badge of honor if that's what you choose to do, but the fact remains that your voice there is now stilled. I think you could have both influence and self-respect if you worked on it.

By: brrrrk on 10/18/12 at 11:15

Loner,

I think you would do well to remember the words of Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

Cynicism is never an excuse for not participating.... and that includes voting.

Or more recently the lyrics of Rush.... "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

By: Loner on 10/18/12 at 11:21

Brrrrk, I went to that link...I like that idea....civil disobedience by way of the greenback itself....cool!

The Righties might counter this by drilling holes in the FDR dime.... "Is that a Republican dime, or a flat washer?"

By: brrrrk on 10/18/12 at 11:26

Loner said

"Brrrrk, I went to that link...I like that idea....civil disobedience by way of the greenback itself....cool!"

Dude, I wouldn't steer you wrong.....

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 11:28

If interested, here's a short show for Catholics.

www.youtube.com/watch_popup_?v=DgvQt6IXXaM&hd/

By: Loner on 10/18/12 at 11:31

Actually, Ummm, if I use a public PC, I can still post on the JPost...I registered a new username, of course...I just can't post from home anymore....the new username is now ruffling feathers....they'll ban my alter-ego too....but I'll just moult....new plumage, same call.

When I hear the old canard, that Americans and Israelis share common values, I cringe....increasingly, we Americans are adopting Israeli values...it's not the other way around....we are being sucked into eternal holy war....with a nuclear twist....the Founders cautioned against establishing theocracy....we ignored that sage advice...now we are paying the price for our stupidity.

By: Loner on 10/18/12 at 11:34

Well kids, I gotta go...it's nice outside...for the moment...and I want to ride the big thumper at least once more, before the snow flies...I stirred the pot in Nashville, TN....now it's time to roll...later!

By: brrrrk on 10/18/12 at 11:34

(click)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 11:34

Later, Lone One.

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 11:54

Loner,

Can the reason the US is so pro on Israel and is backing them is because a Jew bailed our nation out of a financial situation in our early ages, and they still feel obligated in paying that Jew back even though he refused to accept it financially?

That Jew bailed our nation out financially in our early stages of existence.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 11:58

(Flush)

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 12:02

I just got back from Overton County TN and I was delightfully surprised to see many Obama/Biden yard signs.

By: Loner on 10/18/12 at 12:12

I was delayed in my departure...I have to pass this one on to the board before I go out the door:

Headline: Texas attorney general to defend cheerleaders' Bible banners

Source:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57534743/texas-attorney-general-to-defend-cheerleaders-bible-banners/?tag=re1.channel

Snippet:

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said, "We will not allow atheist groups from outside the state of Texas to come into the state to use menacing and misleading and intimidating tactics to try to bully schools to bow down to the altar of secular beliefs."

Joining Abbott at a press conference Wednesday, Gov. Rick Perry said he supported the cheerleaders and denounced the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

"Anyone who is expressing their faith should be celebrated, from my perspective, in this day and age of instant gratification, this me-first culture that we see all too often," Perry said. "We're a nation built on the concept of free expression of ideas. We're also a culture built on the concept that the original law is God's law, outlined in the Ten Commandments."

And the Republican Party actually considered Gov. Rick Perry for POTUS...incredible.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 12:50

Nemo, in Overton County? I didn't expect that!

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 1:00

I'm glad the Tennessean is supporting Romney, judyboobo. I much prefer a legal citizen in our Oval Office than a usurper. Especially one who refuses to tell us who he is.

And I still have the question: Is Barack Obama a US citizen, or is he still and Indonesian citizen? Anyone on this site know?

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 1:04

(flush)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 1:07

(click)

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 1:20

Don't forget to wipe your a$$ before you flush that commode, bfra. It's good to get rid of the stink if you can. That crap odor can make you cough too hard and ruin you drawers.

By: brrrrk on 10/18/12 at 1:46

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said, "We will not allow atheist groups from outside the state of Texas to come into the state to use menacing and misleading and intimidating tactics to try to bully schools to bow down to the altar of secular beliefs."

So now our schools are religious schools? Be careful what you wish for people....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 1:57

"alter of secular beliefs?" wth is an alter of secular beliefs? LOL

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 2:02

(flush)

By: BenDover on 10/18/12 at 2:45

I did something today I have not done in over 10 years and that I swore I'd never do again. I really could not believe the rumor so I had to see for myself and I bought today's Tennessean. roflmao... that hack liberal rag really did endorse Romney.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121018/OPINION01/310180040/Time-another-change

Combine that with the Democrats running the kook gay basher against Corker for Senate and the predicted Democrat turn-out level in Tennessee probably just topped about 2%.

As I've said before you guys should be kicking Chip Forrester's @$$ rather than giving him a 33% raise to $125K a year on the heals of that 2010 election debacle.

He's given Tennessee Democrats less hope than a UT alumni at Neyland watching the Tide Roll in this weekend.

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 3:00

Ben - The Tennessean is a rag & a loser, just like Romney. Since when did you have the equipment to measure how many Democrats will be voting? You shouldn't rely so much on rumors!

By: BenDover on 10/18/12 at 3:09

The Tennessee Democrats won't be going to the polls on election day they'll be going to the liquor store. Then they'll get drunk and watch the election returns in Ohio and Florida to see if Obama gets another 4 years to finish screwing up the country.

But if I was a Tennessee Democrat I'd be really p*ssed that Forrester didn't give me anything to vote FOR on a presidential cycle even after he got his 33% 'merit' raise. You'd think he'd have come up with a referendum to pass a law against kicking kittens or something at least to try to turn out some votes but your boy Chip just cashed his checks and delivered bunk.

By: brrrrk on 10/18/12 at 3:18

Conservative Southern Values Revived: How a Brutal Strain of American Aristocrats Have Come to Rule America

http://www.alternet.org/story/156071/conservative_southern_values_revived%3A_how_a_brutal_strain_of_american_aristocrats_have_come_to_rule_america

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 3:30

Ben's "rubber ball" are not working to day!

On another note, about his equal, there have always been "potty mouthed" kids" at times. But, an 80+ yr. old "potty mouth" is repulsive.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 3:31

It's just downright gross, bfra! LOL

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 3:38

Blanket - Guess when they have a very limited vocabulary & no brains, that happens.

By: BenDover on 10/18/12 at 3:42

The Tennessee Democratic party should use all its energy and throw in with the Tennessee libertarians and the Greenies to get a law pro-rating the Tennessee Presidential electors based on the state popular vote.

Otherwise Tennessee will remain totally dominated by Republicans for the foreseeable future.

Without any national coat-tail help to drive turnout Tennessee Democrats are doomed and we'll never get any national attention with winner-take-all electors.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 3:52

Life is not the same unless Ben’s about honking some horn. ;-)

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 3:54

6yrs Ben and it will be Blue, Ben.

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 4:04

I have to say this, BenDover, but if Obama usurps the office again, we probably won't have any more elections. When he finishes his bankruptcy theme we will be wiped out and he will finish his takeover.

By: BenDover on 10/18/12 at 4:04

You got that right Nemo... my CRV's at 245K miles and still going strong. How about yours?

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 4:07

So quit throwing your "crap" out the door, bfra.

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 4:08

(flush)

By: yogiman on 10/18/12 at 4:09

So quit throwing your "crap" out the door, bfra.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 4:12

My old 2002 CRV has now got 467,000 and something on it now. My granddaughter is driving it now. My new 2012 CRV has got 66,000 on since January. I love it, because I am getting 31 MPG Highway and 28 city.

Good cars those Hondas.

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 4:15

(flush) Potty mouth again!

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 4:18

(Flush)

bfra, you are giving his too much attention.

By: BenDover on 10/18/12 at 4:22

Mine's a '99. Wow 467K is amazing!

I was thinking about getting something with a little more towing capacity but I think I'm going to ride it out with this one until it finally gives up.

Yep, I love me some Hondas too.

My 2004 Accord is around 130,000 I think now and still going strong.

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 4:22

Nemo - Sheriff Roy must have kept him locked in the out house. That is where his feeble mind stays.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 4:24

467K is really amazing! I was proud that I had a Nissan make it to 250K!

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 4:26

Blanket - I have never owned a Nissan, but hear they are great, durable cars.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/18/12 at 4:28

I've had three and they are awesome. It's hard to wear out a Nissan. Just keep up with your regular maintenance and the vehicle will run forever with very few repairs other than just what you would expect.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 4:59

I like the way my 2002 looked, but the this one has a nice look of it's own. I drove to North Carolina the heavy rain Monday morning. The CRV was sure footed and I never felt as if I was about to lose traction. The 2002 was like that too.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/18/12 at 5:01

I'm going to call it a night. See you tomorrow.

By: bfra on 10/18/12 at 5:07

Nemo - Take care!