Up for Debate: LifePoint jumps line to skip taxes

Wednesday, December 21, 2011 at 12:08am

Is the LifePoint deal a good one for Metro? Is the cost in tax breaks worth the payoff?

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61 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 12/21/11 at 1:05

Along with the 600 construction jobs, how many permanent jobs will it bring to Nashville?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/21/11 at 1:06

Shut up yogi.

By: Ummm... on 12/21/11 at 5:59

Providing tax incentives to entice a corporation to move from Williamson to Davidson seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul. If we were getting them to relocate to Nashville or anywhere in middle Tennessee from another state, that would be different. It seems like a marginal deal to me, if not actually a bad one.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 6:23

Good morning Nashville!

From the main article on this topic: "The council’s vote on Tuesday followed no debate."

There you have it, millions of dollars in tax revenues are being foregone, in an effort to lure this highly profitable firm to Nashville...this is a glaring example of unopposed corporate welfare. Not a single minute of honest debate...I'd say that the fix was in....if it isn't the mob, it's these for-profit human services consortiums ripping off the general public...welfare for the rich is SOP in Nashville.

Time to clean house at Metro...throw these bums out!

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 6:29

Follow the money on this deal...who is getting the contracts to build the new headquarters? Who will be getting the kickbacks? This is not astrophysics, folks, with a little digging, these over-confident rip-off artists can be exposed as the thieves they are. Git a rope!

By: govskeptic on 12/21/11 at 6:47

It appears the Mayor and Vice-Mayor have such a firm hold on the
Council they can dictate what will and will not be discussed by the
council during meetings before the public and cameras. Members
are apparently reprimanded if they attempt to bring up controversy
to any measures these two dictators want passed. You could see
this coming from the moment Vice-Mayor Neighbors took office!

Where is the benefit on this project? Half the exes already live
in the county, the construction workers are already here, the
cost to the taxpayers will be more than any extra revenue derived!

By: Kosh III on 12/21/11 at 6:55

Two questions, one answer. NO.

By: Kosh III on 12/21/11 at 6:58

We have our priorities wrong.

Beaman Park is a 1700 acre wooded jewel which can't get funding to finish an incomplete ADA-compliant boardwalk but we can shovel massive welfare to the wealthy.

Want to stimulate the economy? Double the SNAP(food stamp) payments. This would do wonders for the grocery industry as well as other facets of the economy.
Plus, insure that no child go to bed hungry.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 7:09

Maybe I should move back to Nashville and run for the council. The people would then know what was going on behind what shouldn't be closed doors.

Being the man I am, the Mayor or Vice-Mayer would not tell me to keep quiet. You are elected to office to serve the people, not the companies.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 7:14

Kosh III,

I agree with you on no child should go to bed hungry. But it wouldn't hurt for their lazy parents to go hungry all the time. Too many parents of today are more interested in their dope than their children and don't care about their children's welfare..

By: JayBee56 on 12/21/11 at 7:19

All good comments. A reorganization of Metro government is way overdue. Reduce the power of the mayor and increase the power of the council representatives. Metro Council members are part time positions ($15,000 per year) limited to 2 terms, but everything else is funneled through the Mayor's office, including appointment recommendations. It's not 1963 - time for some changes.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 7:27

Great post, JayBee56...welcome to the board.

By: Kosh III on 12/21/11 at 7:36

Yogi, you obviously know only what Fox tells you regarding Food Stamps.

Over 50% of all SNAP recipients are children. The next largest groups:
Elderly, disabled, elderly and disabled.
Only a small number abuse the system. Most parents with children are the working poor.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 7:43

All political positions should have term limits, JayBer56, but no one in the positions will introduce such a motion arguing that's what elections are for.

Too many people obviously think they need to keep someone if office who's familiar with it.

Believe me, you learn your new position of a political office fast.

WOW! $15,000 for a part-time Metro Council position? Hell, I only got $35 per meeting for my old Quarterly County Court meetings.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 7:45

One wonders how it is possible to make huge profits in the health-care delivery business, as LifePoint is now doing...aren't hospitals always crying the blues about funding shortfalls? But LifePoint seems to be bucking the trend and the for-profit company is raking in the dough. How do they do that?

Benefiting from corporate welfare, as in this case, helps out, but that can't be the sole source of LifePoint's income...insurance company outs, Medicare, Medicaid and service fees also must be factored in....endowments may also be part of the mix.

LifePoint is succeeding where others fail...how come?

Are they cutting corners? Fudging the data? Are they cherry-picking? Are they "donating" to politicians? Is LifePoint a cut-rate, non-union affair? When was LifePoint last audited by outside auditors?

When long-term, multi-million dollar tax breaks are given away, with zero discussion, zero debate, my instincts tell me that something sleazy is going on.

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 7:46

Life time insurance for the family, after serving in the council, is the kicker.

By: Kosh III on 12/21/11 at 7:58

Term limits don't work.

California has had them for almost 20 years in some cases. A recent study showed little effect.
Term limits also tend to give more power to the unelected bureaucracy.

Just look at the revolving chairs here. 2 terms in the district, then 2 terms as an at-large; then on to other positions.

More effective would be a 5 year ban on anyone in elected office moving to a lobbyist or regulatory position or vice-versa. No Herman Cains please.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 8:09

I agree with Kosh.

No Sperman Cains and no fat-assed Fanny May Floozies either....Newton.

Newt was paid by the mortgage giant, not to lobby for them, or so he claims, he was paid for "strategic advice"...we all know how lousy that advice turned out to be...it damn near wrecked the US economy....and this bozo would be POTUS? No way, baby....no effin way!

At this point in time I'm pulling for Ron Paul...the sanest of the Tea Bag addled bunch...the least likely to go "Cornholio", if and when the War Lobby demands it...Newt ran the House in a Cornholio fashion...always an emergency...always the alarmist..."ARE YOU THREATENING ME??!!"...yeah that's the Newt.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 8:13

Bfra, lifetime health and life insurance for former Council members and their families, or what? If the package includes free health care insurance, that's worth about $500 per month, in these parts....that's one hell of a perk, IMO...if that's the case.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 8:19

Off Topic:
If anyone is interested, I am once again dealing with my personal Israeli troll, Eric11210, on this CSM comment board:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1220/Could-Iraq-descend-into-a-civil-war-again-VIDEO

We were discussing whether or not Iraq could descend back into civil war and anarchy....but Eric has dragged it down to a personal slugfest.

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 8:20

Loner - Guess I phrased it wrong. That is free health insurance for life for the entire family and compared to what I pay, $500 wouldn't come close.

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 8:26

Here's Eric's latest "comment":

Eric11210
Get lost nazi. You are a cancer on the human race and you know you are a lying piece of trash.

There it is, fresh from the mind of one of the Chosen People in the Promised Land. The criticisms I get here are nothing compared with what I get on the Disqus sites...like CSM, JPost etc.

I guess that I should be flattered to have a personal Israeli troll dogging my footsteps across the internet landscape....the guy is good, possibly a paid troll?

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 8:35

Wow! Thanks for clarifying that, Bfra. That's a great deal...two years of service @$15K per year...on a part time job...and you get free health insurance for yourself and your family for the rest of your life.....great deal for Council Members, lousy deal for the Metro taxpayers. No wonder then, that these guys and gals rubber stamp the Mayor's proposals...who would want to rock that boat?

I suppose that one would lose that perk, if one rocks the boat and is then thrown overboard...over the transom....that threat keeps the Metro crew quiet and compliant.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 8:38

Well, Loner,

I guess you can see how I feel about you Obama lovers characterizing me as you're claiming the Israel lovers are characterizing you. You feel you know you're right and resent being ridiculed on your feeling toward Israel.

The difference in us, though, is, I know I'm right on the Barry Soetoro issue.

By: Kosh III on 12/21/11 at 8:38

Too bad the Metro employees, rank and file, who do all the real work, don't get lifetime health care.
The Council should lose their coverage once they leave office, just like employees lose their coverage.

But the 1% get special rights paid for by ordinary working people.

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 8:42

Last time the council thought they needed a raise, they just "doubled" what they had been getting. What other position can just double their own salary?

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 8:43

The main point on the Metro insurance issue is: Who gave them that benefit? It had to be presented as a motion at a meeting. Was it presented to the taxpaying voters for their approval?

Did they gain their "influence" from congress or did congress gain their influence from the Metro council?

Its come to the point; To hell with the voters, just let them pay their taxes so we can get paid.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 8:50

bfra,

What "other" position can set their salary or benefits except political organizations like members of elected "council" positions? And you can take that all the way from the local city hall to the nation's capitol.

By: codyle on 12/21/11 at 8:59

This sounds alot like how Walmart does cities. They move in with huge tax breaks for a number of years with the idea/plan that after a set amount of time they would begin to share their sales tax with their host city as well as begin to pay their business taxes after that time frame. When it comes time to start the 'paying' they pick up and move.....just outside the city limits and viola still not paying taxes. I think it is a bad move and it looks like Davidson county just got duped.
Ya'll be cool and have a Merry Christmas!!!!!

By: Loner on 12/21/11 at 9:03

Time to Occupy Nashville again?

Get a blue PVC tarp, cut to banner size, use yellow duct tape to make 2ft tall letters, to spell out ECONOMIC JUSTICE....(or whatever you want)....For less than $10 in materials and an hour of effort, one can make a terrific traffic-stopping sign of the times.

BTW, the lone one and a partner made the news last Monday at our little protest...the article will appear in the Medina Journal Register sometime this week.
It's a small Orleans Co. daily....I think they are online...I'll check.

My trusty "HOLY WARS SUCK" sign will be on the pages of the Medina JR.

By: Kosh III on 12/21/11 at 9:59

As to the topic,

Since they could easily move away once the welfare checks stop, perhaps we should give them their welfare up front, that is, more money while they are in the process of building and moving, then cut it off after, I dunno, 3 years.

By: san r on 12/21/11 at 10:00

i feel exploited, abused and condemned to die a miserable, dog-infested- thug-ridden-over-populated, poverty-stricken, poor health-care related DEATH.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 10:24

Loner,

You seem to agree with Kosh III on the Herman Cain issue. If you are interested in a good man for the job you might want to look up the aspects of Buddy Roemer.

For some reason the media won't mention him or let him in on any of the debates.

By: BenDover on 12/21/11 at 10:30

I just read the story. Davidson poaching from Williamson is a zero sum game. Why aren't they focusing on attracting out of state companies that will net jobs to Middle Tennessee?

By: jvh2b on 12/21/11 at 10:48

Yogi - at least Loner has offer proof of his claims. It's pretty clear the entire congress is in the pocket of the Jewish state.

Which is a HECK of a lot more proof than I've EVER seen you offer. All you do is say you read something somewhere, and you have provided proof over and over again, yet not one single link or quoting a source. Could it be because all you have to go by is aluminum hats and fellow crazy bloggers for your 'sources'???

Go take your meds.

Sorry for feeding the troll guys...I felt the need to point that out.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/21/11 at 11:31

We understand and forgive you jvh2b. ;-)

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 11:36

jvh2b,

If you knew how to read, you could read the very same things I've read. I'll make one more point: Its acknowledged Barry Soetoro was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather (if in doubt, just read his book "Dreams from My Father". As I have noted before, his stepfather agreed to adopt him so he could go to school in Indonesia. I don't know about now, but at that time, Indonesia would not allow a child in their schools unless they were Indonesian citizens.

And at that time, Indonesia would not accept dual-citizenship. Now, turn that intelligence switch on: When Barack Obama became Barry Soetoro he became a Indonesian citizen.

Did he repatriate his citizenship? If so, when?

Going by the citizenship laws of 1961 and today, if you have your citizenship removed, you cannot get your natural born status back. And going by the laws of 1961, if Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was in fact his father, he was born a subject of the British Empire. Also by the laws of 1961,at the age of 18 his mother could not pass her citizenship to him to even make him a dual-citizen.

It still boils down to the fact you don't know who in the hell is in that office. And this nation's situation with other nations of the world, you better give it some serious consideration.

By: govskeptic on 12/21/11 at 12:06

The Council did sacrifice when they gave up their free Golf playing
at the Metro courses, but keep the free parking in Metro garages!
That was granted by the non-elected Metro Parking Commission.

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 12:08

jvh2b - Yes it is best to ignore some dumbarse, slob that doesn't know yet who the LEGAL President of the United States is, was elected by the people, not appointed by the Supreme Court. But as he continues to prove his stupidity on this board, it does get old.

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 12:10

The council also didn't like the $25 dollar food limit, so they voted it up to $100, all on their own.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 12:16

Children,

Y'all's 'arguments' on the "Obama" case reminds me of why Rednecks shouldn't be Paramedics.

I read where a couple of Rednecks were out in the woods when Bubba suddenly grabbed his chest and fell to the ground. He didn't seem to be breathing and his eyes had rolled back in his head.

Billy Bob whipped out his cell phone and dialed 911 and gasps to the operator, "I think Bubba is dead! What should I do?"

The operator in a calm soothing voice said, "just take it easy and follow my instructions. First, let's make sure he's dead".

There's silence.... and then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line:
"Okay, now what?"

Are you all Rednecks when being questioned about the Oval Office?

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 12:21

Its going to stay up front until next year, bfra. You state he was "elected". What law allows someone to be elected to an office they are not legally qualified for?

By law, you cannot elect a person for an office the are not legally eligible for. It you could, what would be the need for such laws?

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 12:31

Amazing how Obama paid off the FBI, CIA and all people associated with security for this Country, so he could run for and get LEGALLY elected President of the United States. Anyone that believes this BS should be tried for treason!

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 12:42

bfra,

You, and your fellow idiots apparently can't see what is going on in our nation. Take a look at a couple of guys from the NY Times at //tinyurl.com/7bhhh6, you'll love it.

Ever heard of Mychal Massie? Check this man out on google. Read his article of August 8, 2011. And by the way, Mr. Massie is a black man.

You probably won't like what he has to say about "Barack Obama".

Have fun with that little brain you don't seem to have.

By: jvh2b on 12/21/11 at 12:50

Anyone else ever think that yogi is just a parrot that can peck on a keyboard...I mean really...same stuff over and over and over and over.

Of course that's really just an insult to parrots....

By: Captain Nemo on 12/21/11 at 1:19

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 7:09
Maybe I should move back to Nashville and run for the council. The people would then know what was going on behind what shouldn't be closed doors.

Being the man I am, the Mayor or Vice-Mayer would not tell me to keep quiet. You are elected to office to serve the people, not the companies.

One you would never be elected, because the citizen of Nashville would know you for the idiot you are and two are an IDIOT.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/21/11 at 1:23

Many time jvh2b

The old fool is so stupid, that he couldn't get a glass of water even if you threw him in the lake.

By: yogiman on 12/21/11 at 2:21

I understand its hard to educate fools and idiots, but you apparently can't see beyond your nose.

I understand what's on this line. I hope you enjoy your lives in a communist nation. All you can say to an idiot is 'see, I told you so'. With the passing of that NDAA bill, its just around the corner. If Barry Soetoro can pull his stunt off again next year, maybe you'll finally understand what I've been trying to tell you.

I'll say one more time, anyone who can accept a person as the president of the USA that refuses to show proof of his eligibility, and you don't really know who in the hell he is, you deserve what you get.

By: jvh2b on 12/21/11 at 2:44

Polly wanna cracker?

By: bfra on 12/21/11 at 3:17

I'll say one more time, show PROOF that he isn't eligibil!