Up for Debate: Metro looks to Teach For America

Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 12:36am

Metro looks to double the number of Teach For America teachers in Nashville schools. Do you think this a good idea for the school district or not?

42 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 4:32

Which type of America do they want to teach; the currant socialist phase, or the old republican America?

By: dargent7 on 2/14/12 at 5:23

Anything promoting teahers, teaching, students, is a great thing.
I see Mr. Sunshine is up at 4:32am shining his usual rays of hope and prosperity.
I just hope and pray Obama wins in Nov. if only to shut all these A-holes, that I've been listening to for the past 3 years, UP!

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 7:14

Which type of America do they want to teach; the currant socialist phase, or the old republican America?

It would seem that spelling and grammar might be an emphasis, then a few civics lessons would nice.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/14/12 at 7:17

This is just a juggling of failure modes. The politicos and eggheads keep thinking that you can teach people that have no desire to learn. Has anyone ever taken the time to see what is the make up of our Metro school system outside Hume Fogg and MLK?

By: dargent7 on 2/14/12 at 7:20

I'm actually suprised he didn't spell "phase", as faze, and "teach" as, teech.
He does say he grew up in the 1930's so that'd make him about 95.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 7:29

Well, Rasputin, maybe if this country tried to emphasize intelligence and learning as a desirable attribute, our children would have some desire to learn. Instead, children see lazy parents who sit on their brains all day bitching about everything around them instead of actually doing something about it.

This doesn't even take into account those who completely ignore thousands of years of scientific advancement and instead choose to believe superstitions. This is what is being passed on to our children.

If the U.S. isn't the most close-minded country in the advanced world, I'd like to know who is.

By: govskeptic on 2/14/12 at 7:30

Something new has got to be tried in this school system, because it's oh
so obvious the status quo is not working! The lack of attitude and respect
for education, leading to a better future for a large number of students is
very troubling.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 7:32

Good morning, children. I'm glad you're all awake even though your minds are still asleep.

Sorry, gdiafarte. The "a" is too close to the "e" when my dog wakes me up to pee.

By: Loner on 2/14/12 at 7:40

Good morning, Nashville!

Metro looks to double the number of Teach For America teachers in Nashville schools. Do you think this a good idea for the school district or not?

Union busting by another name....scab labor with reduced qualifications results in a more docile work force...not better education.

In education, you get what you pay for...and in Nashville, the emphasis is on CHEAP.

By: Loner on 2/14/12 at 8:08

These TFA teachers are recent college grads who undergo a super-quick teacher training course then they work cheap for two years, as scab labor, as they build their resumes.

This novel program can produce enthusiastic young turks, teachers with zeal and it can also produce half-baked neophytes, with no real classroom experience, learning to teach by trial and error...putting in the 2-years and then hauling @ss.

I'm sure that there are successes and failures in the program...whether the good outweighs the bad is not for me to decide....ask the kids.

The good reason to hire TFA applicants: For the "Cheeeldren".

The real reason to hire TFA applicants: To bust the teacher unions.

That's my take on it.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 8:17

I suspect there are a few reasons for the falloff of education, as it pertains to teachers. First, there are no incentives for quality teachers to stay in that occupation. The pay? Laughable. The benefits? As with everything else, health care is rising faster than wages (which are already low). Sure, you can talk about the fabulous pension, if it will actually be there in thirty years.

Not to mention the stigma attached to teaching by the union-busters. Honestly, who would want that?

Second, as a society, the lazier we become, the more we expect the teachers to do everything for the children. If a child doesn't learn, it's the teachers fault. What about the parent? Should parental responsibility come in to play here? Yes, I understand there are mitigating circumstances, such as how both parents have to work, leaving less time with their children, but if a parent can't find an hour out of their day to spend reviewing classwork/homework or providing instruction...well, I don't mean to judge, but that's lousy parenting.

That's my take on it.

By: Loner on 2/14/12 at 8:29

I almost forgot...Happy Valentine's Day!

I love yous guys....getting all teary eyed here in New York.

By: Ask01 on 2/14/12 at 8:42

I moved this from the other thread.

First, let's realize not every student will, nor should, attend college. Sorry, but from my perspective, that is the way life works out. We, as a society, will be better served I believe, if we ensure every student receives a solid education in the basics. Usable, life oriented math skills, basic english communication skills, a knowledge of scientifc principles applicable to everyday living, an appreciation for world and American history, warts and all, and most importantly, human ethics; how to treat people.

I am not anti-college or anti-education, but I have the inpression so much emphasis is placed upon getting students ready for college, many of those who cannot keep up or are not college bound, are left behind, lose even more interest and drop out or leave school lacking basic skills students would have learned even 40 years ago. Yes! It is wonderful high school students graduate with college level knowledge of physics, calculus, and other, what for my generation were considered very advanced subjects. But have we lost something along the way? Push those with potential as far as they can go, but at the same time, do not neglect or belittle those who will do the grunt work and keep society functioning.

All the degrees in the world are fairly useless without life experience. No true, I am wrong. When society falls apart, you can light your degrees to build a fire while I clean and dress the wild game I caught, and our friend harvests the crop he grew.

One last thing, then I must take my blood pressure medicine and prozac, that comment about "fairly Caucasian" and "much whiter" is blatantly racist to me. Imagine had I ever said something to the effect of 'fairly African" or "much blacker." The politically correct police would be calling for my head and I could even, in today's climate, see myself sentenced to some sort of sensitivity training. (I'm afraid I would have to go to jail, as I am tired of all the governmental, judicial, and legal nonsense I see surrounding me.)

One more last item, gdiafante has raised another valid issue. Parents need to be more involved, particularly in the lower grades. After a point, if proper motivation and, more importantly, attitude has been cultivated, students can usually be expected to demonstrate self motivation, providing they possess the quality at all. You might not understand everything they are working on, (hand raised, waving wildly) but just showing an interest and allowing them to explain can be highly productive. And every once in a while, they may actually need help in a subject of which you have personal knowledge. Ancient history, for example.

By: Ask01 on 2/14/12 at 8:46

To Loner

NEW YORK CITY? Or New York state? Only ever had the opportunity to visit all too briefly Long Island, admittedly not far from the city proper, but far enough I rather enjoyed the local.

And a Happy Day to you also. In a properly manly, platonic, politically correct sort of way. Got to keep a sense of humor.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 9:01

You might not understand everything they are working on, (hand raised, waving wildly) but just showing an interest and allowing them to explain can be highly productive.

I completely agree. I haven't experienced it yet firsthand, my oldest is just in Kindergarten, but what I try to do is show interest in what she's doing and attempt to show her how that will "snowball" later into other really cool stuff, like learning about the planets (or whatever else interests her at the time).

I'm hoping that she will acquire a life-long love of learning.

By: Loner on 2/14/12 at 9:09

I live in Western New York, ask01, on the Erie Canal, on the Lake Ontario lake plain...just West of Rochester, NY. and the Finger Lakes region...from here West, it's the Niagara frontier region...I live on the "border' of the two regions.

And in a manly platonic manner, I wish the same to you, Ask01.

Now I gotta run...to the Floral Shop...gotta cover my @ss...it's Valentine's Day!

By: Loner on 2/14/12 at 9:15

Now, for those who wish to meddle in my backyard, as I do in yours, here is the URL for the local paper, the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/

Here's the Rochester City Paper:

http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/

Enjoy!

By: bfra on 2/14/12 at 9:28

Dean completely ignored education in his first 4 yrs. Now, it would seem he is trying any & all aspects to be billed as the educational mayor. Since the start of this term, he has continuely brought in out side help, yet paying this Register guy big bucks, that has done nothing to improve education. Dean must be planning for future elected offices & trying to improve his image.

By: Ask01 on 2/14/12 at 9:35

gdiafante, I fear the great revelation of just how much smarter our offspring are is still looming for you. My two oldest are up and gone, while my youngest is holding her own at MLK with two years to go.

She is already working on formulas rivaling those we used to figure declination and azimuth to aim non standard configurations, and figure degrees of coverage need to fill a specific area. This all translated to mils on the hud and where to place the pipper when briefing the pilot.

To be honest, I often feel very, very old, (of course that happens even when not talking to my children) but then, they find some sort of antique farm or kitchen implement rescued fro grand parents or great grandparents house, and it is my turn to demonstrate knowledge of which they are totally ignorant.

Hang in there, it's all worth it in the end.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 9:54

I couldn't agree with you more, Ask01. As you have probably already learned; you gain more knowledge through experience than classroom education. Classrooms are the initial learning aspects. Experience teaches the rest.

By: Ask01 on 2/14/12 at 10:23

Even when such experience is painful, yogiman. Often, however, those lessons stick with you longer.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 1:10

The times they are a changing, Ask01. And have changed drastically in the last several decades.

My childhood was during the depression and only the men worked. Of course back then, the mothers had to stay home and take care of the children, take care of the house and keep food on the table. And I'd say they worked just as hard as the men... just in a different line of work. We didn't have washing machines back then. It was a scrub board and the clothes were hung on a lie to dry. And I'll guarantee you, your sheets smelled a hell of a lot better then than they do today out of a dryer.

In school, the first day each year you found out what you was going to study that year and went to a privately owned bookstore and bought your books.

Then the "guvmunt" moved in and took over the educational system implying all children should be taught the same education all over the nation and the Department of Education was established. That is called communism and you can now see what we have. The education the children of today are getting isn't the same as "yesteryear".

By: BigPapa on 2/14/12 at 1:47

The pay isn't that bad, it's the working conditions that have deteriorated to where the pay looks worse than it is.

Pay can only be fixed up to a point as long as teaching remains a tax payer supported job. (Ex. Should an elementary school teacher make $200,000 a year?) School boards and politicians can only do so much in that area. Now THE CONDITIONS, those are thing that CAN be fixed, and fixed to the point where the job is more attractive and the pay and benefits are justified.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 1:58

Yogi, as usual, is completely off-base. First, Jefferson...yes, that Jefferson, was a huge proponent that education should be under the control of the government. So was George Washington. Even John Adams, (from David McCullough's book), declared it the “duty” of government not only to provide education but to “cherish” the interests of literature and science – indeed, the full range of the arts, commerce, trades, manufactures, and natural history.

Now, are you asserting that the founding fathers were Communists?

Also, public schools have been around far longer than the depression. Maybe you should have paid more attention in school.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 2:01

Papa, using $200K for a teacher is a stretch, no? How about keeping the salaries competitive with private education? If you can't attract and retain competent talent, you're going to get what we have now. Basic HR rules.

By: bfra on 2/14/12 at 2:13

gdiafante - If you want yogi to comprehend something, it would need to be in a more simplified form, say like speaking to a 3 yr. old. Between his obsession with Obama and his spooks (communist), doesn't seem to be any room for facts.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 2:18

Bfra, I don't expect him to comprehend any rational argument, but I have to admit, it is fun to show him as a fool.

By: bfra on 2/14/12 at 2:23

That isn't hard, he proves that everyday! LOL
His mind never got past the "good old days", as he calls them.

By: dargent7 on 2/14/12 at 2:41

Let us us not forget...the guy is 90+ and has half a brain.

By: BigPapa on 2/14/12 at 3:07

Yes obviously $200K is too much, but when you are living on tax payer, you will NEVER reach top pay, nor should you. We can all agree that 200k is too much, so what is the number? $60k, $85k $100K...??? I just always hear people yap about how teachers should make more, what is that magic number given the job requirements (and dont forget about tenure.)

Tax payers can only pay so much, but again, I think what is controllable is the work conditions teachers are faced with. Those can be made better, therefore making the job more attractive.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 3:16

Having been a child once myself, I'll admit, its great to have fun, children. And, gdiafante, yes, the government did step in to the education in the early days. And I don't know what it was like for the children before me but I do know what it was like when I was a child.

Regrettably, you and your "friendly" co-posters haven't grown up and matured yet. Hang in there, child, you'll get there one of these days. I sure hope you make it before your children find out how childishly ignorant you are..., and your fellow co-posters.

Like beauty, Ignorance is in the eyes of the beholder and I'm afraid you all are going to find out how ignorant you really are this November.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 3:25

Regrettably, you and your "friendly" co-posters haven't grown up and matured yet..

This from the guy who calls me "gdiafarte".

Pot meet kettle.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 3:29

I thought you went to college, dargent7. What did you do there, play with the girls? You should go to college to get an education, not "graduate" in the damn fool bracket.

My age of 90? I sure hope I make it that long so I spend a few more years seeing more of the fools you and you "buddies" are. Actually, I'm only four score and one years of age.

I hope you all grow to be as mentally mature as you age as I have. But you've all still got a long way to go. Hang in there another 40 to 50 years, you might make it.

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 3:31

I pretty much laid it out, Papa. Public salaries comparable to private ones. Example, a Kindergarten teacher makes approximately the same in both private and public education. Obviously they won't make the exact same in every district or private school, but in the ball park.

The offset for the increase (or decrease in certain circumstances) could come from trimming the fat in other areas. I think this would be a good start and would likely attract better teachers.

By: chiefpayne568 on 2/14/12 at 3:47

No...it's NOT a good idea at all.

By: bfra on 2/14/12 at 3:53

yogi needs a new script!

By: gdiafante on 2/14/12 at 3:55

He needs a lot of things, mostly meds.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 4:35

I'm satisfied with the one I have, bfra, since its so much better than yore's.

And can you refer me to your medics, gdiafante? I want to make sure I can avoid them. I can afford them so I prefer a good one.

By: bfra on 2/14/12 at 5:00

Amore mature rebuttal would make more sense!

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 5:49

You need a mature adult to make a more mature rebuttal, bfra. Sorry, you don't qualify.

By: bfra on 2/14/12 at 5:57

yogi - You need a mature adult to make a more mature rebuttal
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So you agree, you make dumb arse comments.

By: yogiman on 2/14/12 at 9:22

Re-read the sentence, bfra. If you wasn't so dumb you would have understood it to begin with.