Up for Debate: Mt. Zion faces clergy malpractice claims

Tuesday, April 24, 2012 at 1:02am

What do you think of the allegations levied against Mt. Zion Baptist Church as well as the larger question of clergy malpractice?

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78 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 4/24/12 at 4:54

How can the "clergy" be accused of malpractice?

By: Loner on 4/24/12 at 5:21

Good morning, Nashville.

I read the main article and have this comment:

Instead of Ecclesiastical Abstention , we need more Ecclesiastical Abstinence.

The women who are bringing these charges are now facing brutal character assassinations at the hands of Bishop Walker and his hired gun attorneys.

Any local church with 20,000 members in its congregation is probably corrupt at some level, either spiritually, morally or financially....sometimes all three.

Professional Holymen in designer suits, living in huge homes, driving expensive luxury cars, screwing the good looking believers and fleecing their huge flocks, is an American tradition.

Bishop Joseph Walker III sounds like a totally unsavory individual...the worst kind of hypocrite....stealing in the name of the Lord. Despicable.

How many other women are afraid to come forward with their stories of sexual predation at the hands of the predatory pastor?

By: dargent7 on 4/24/12 at 5:23

Ok, so curious, I read the complaint. Seems it's legal for 'the clergy" to have sex with "the parisoners".
Well, alrighty then.
I took up the wrong profession as a bartender.
The local pastors are getting more of the action I thought we always got.
Damn.

By: Loner on 4/24/12 at 5:31

As for the "malpractice" charge, IMO, it's not applicable here. Suing a Holyman, a Pastor, because he is a loathsome sinner and a hypocrite, in a secular court of law sounds rather goofy...IMO....the Bishop should face an internal church review, not a secular lawsuit, IMO.

This case makes about as much sense as a man suing a prostitute for malpractice, because she faked an orgasm...or because he couldn't get it up.

If people are stupid enough to give 10% of their incomes to Bishop Joseph Walker III, they are gullible enough to do most anything, I suppose. These two ladies literally got down on their knees for the Bishop....now they want five million in damages.....lots of luck "ladies"....you have been had.

By: dargent7 on 4/24/12 at 5:37

No, Loner, they have been laid.

By: Loner on 4/24/12 at 5:39

Sheep herding is hard, lonely work. Apparently, pastors have always enjoyed sexual privileges with their flocks, Darge,....Cue Music: "Would ewe be mine tonight, dear?"

By: Loner on 4/24/12 at 5:50

Blinded by the bling? The ladies were mesmerized by his jewelry and cologne?

Girls go crazy for a sharp-dressed man. They lost all control? The man must be a potent sex God, as well as a man of the expensive cloth.

The church ladies apparently went head-to-head with the high-rolling preacher man....his orgasmic exclamations must have thundered, like his crescendo-based, vociferous and passionate sermons.....did he take the Lord's name in vain, as he ejaculated his sacred seed?

If this farce goes to court, we may hear all the sleazy details of these close encounters of the BJ kind.

By: dargent7 on 4/24/12 at 7:14

Toss-Up:
Would you rather be George Zimmerman or John Edwards?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/24/12 at 7:18

Dargent7 seems to be the only poster this morning who really understands the "jest" of this article. LONER of course very eloquently continues to write for his own enjoyment.

By: govskeptic on 4/24/12 at 7:21

Pastoral misconduct is as old as religion itself. One of the worst
sins that got broken off Moses slate. A Psychiatrist can be sued
for these same events and certainly lose a license to practice, but
a Pastor has no license and the code of conduct apparently lies
only within themselves!

By: dargent7 on 4/24/12 at 7:30

Ras'72: Loner is known for staying home, happily playing with his Wang. (computer).

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 7:49

I don’t know if this story is true or not, I don’t know? However the best place for a sexual predator to hide is behind the disguised of a holy man.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 7:56

Now this bit of information sound a lot like bestiality.

By: yogiman on 4/20/12 at 10:07
But, Loner, my dog doesn't lick her genitals... because she can't. What's she supposed to do, get mad and get another dog to lick her?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 7:57

Loner, are you talking about sheep herders or yogi?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 8:06

And this big laugh from Friday, the new life of sid-vicious.

By: parnell3rd on 4/20/12 at 9:28

Yogi is about the only person here who makes any sence at all...

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 8:36

It would seem to be none of the state's affair.

Plus, do you really think the legislators and judges want to open the door on sexual misconduct due to position of authority when their overnight is told to hit the bricks rather than cuddle?

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 8:38

I blame the media.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 8:44

Good morning Ben. It is always the medias fault. lol

By: WayneR on 4/24/12 at 8:45

Does Elmer Gantry (1927) ring a bell? In some communities it is common knowledge that male pastors can have their way with their flock, all done with a wink and a nod.
Jimmy Swaggart,, Jim Bakker (PTL Club), and a host of other men of the lord have wallowed in sexual escapades that when revealed demonstrated their hypocrisy.

Not much new here with this fine gentleman.

PhiberO

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 8:48

It is this time Nemo. They've laid the foundation for a race war and if Zimmerman gets an acquittal it will be LA 1992 all over again, all across the country.

By: budlight on 4/24/12 at 8:50

First of all dork wad, I am not parnell3rd; and second of all, I know how to use spell check and "sence" does not make sense! So you can take your big laugh from Friday and put it where the sun don't shine!

However, having said that: I agree with parnell3rd. Yogi does make sense. And hopefully over time, you hate mongers will be outweighed with common sense posters.

A person of the cloth, whether it be a man or woman is subject to fail at any level in their life. We've had our share of that in America. So what's new? From the President to Priests to Clergy to ushers, men will be men. I agree that this is a matter for the church and as Loner said "the Bishop should face an internal church review, not a secular lawsuit, IMO".

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 8:55

LOL Wayne

How is that Ben?

You have a clone bud? Careful there bud you just made fun of yourself.

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 9:07

The Obama economy has hit young black men the hardest.... and his deaf ear to the congressional black caucus about 'Justice' reform and the War on Drugs' disproportional effect on the black community mean Obama's government will see no grace and will be powerless to stop this angst that has been fostered for political purpose. The monster will turn on its creator as it will everyone else in fits of tribal madness like in the story I posted.

When you do everything to foster an aggrieved sub-population for political purpose its like beating the dog. Don't be surprised when he turns around and bites.

The wall to wall Treyvon coverage with the subtle 'man kills child' picture juxtapositions and the not so subtle editing of content to prove a case of racism that doesn't exist... these things are going to haunt society for many years to come. We've been set back 20 years in race relations in our country due to this and if Zimmerman isn't sacrificed with a maximum sentence (whether he's guilty or not) we will then be set back another 20.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/24/12 at 9:35

The cost of gas goes up; The GOP says it is “Obama fault!”

The cost of gas goes down; The GOP says, “Obama has nothing to do with it!”

By: yogiman on 4/24/12 at 9:46

I'm afraid you're right, BenDover.

Of course, LBJ's "equal law" of 1964 was for the black Americans votes as he was known to be the biggest racist in politics at that time.

It was hoped, though, among the white Americans, that we had finally become one nation to all. But I'm afraid Barry Soetoro has put us back before LBJ's tenure.

And ironically, there seems to be more racism by the black Americans than the white Americans today. Are they just trying to turn racism around as in the pre-1964s?

By: pswindle on 4/24/12 at 9:48

It is amazing of what goes on in the name of Jesus Christ!

By: yogiman on 4/24/12 at 9:52

I understand there is 2 women filling a suit against a "preacher" because of his sexual provocations.

Just wondering: What mental capacity do they have. Are they mentally inefficient or did they get jealous over other women jumping in bed with him?

That's gonna be a fun watching court case. We should get to see who the idiots are.

By: gdiafante on 4/24/12 at 10:29

Ben seems to keep repeating the riot angle as if he's hoping for it to be a self-fullfilling prophecy. And he's got it covered, already blaming someone just in case.

That's a convenient scapegoat...blame the media, then you don't have to confront the nasty little family secret that race problems actually exist in this country.

Or, you could be like yogi and cry about reverse discrimination...either way, denial...denial...denial...

By: bfra on 4/24/12 at 10:34

With the under tones of "Obama caused it"! That doesn't wash Ben.

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 10:45

I just call 'em as I see 'em, gd.

Again, you wish to dismiss the facts of the matter in favor of a template that fits more comfortably under your overriding defense-of-the-underdog emotion.

What you don't realize is that for the most part people have no malice against under-dog; but he is being used by other people who purport to help him and that 'usage' is what hurts under-dog the most.

By: yogiman on 4/24/12 at 10:46

gdiafante,

Judging from what I estimate to be your age bracket, you can have no idea what discrimination was like when segregation was in such harsh state of our nation.

Black American lived in hell and the government was the leaders of it all. Grow up, boy. Become a mature man.

By: gdiafante on 4/24/12 at 10:50

Who the hell are you calling boy? Tread lightly, old man...

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 10:52

Oh... bfra, Obama has certainly perpetuated it. You might disagree as to whether Obama caused it except to the degree he was complicit with the Fannie and Freddie mess; and was running around scarring the bejeezus out of investors in the run-up to his election... but everything he's done since then has, through uncertainty and regulatory morass, perpetuated the problem and inhibited recovery.

By: gdiafante on 4/24/12 at 10:53

Well said, Ben. You've certainly memorized the talking points well.

Now, back in reality...

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 10:55

I invented these talking points, thank you very much.

By: bfra on 4/24/12 at 10:59

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 10:55
I invented these talking points, thank you very much.
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Well you didn't do a very good job on your invention, your points are nothing more than what any other right wing nut believes.

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 11:15

No, bfra. I'm the only one I know who goes back and points out that investor fear of what Obama might do in the run-up to the election was a cloud over the markets and was the tipping point for the collapse of the precarious balance of the sub-prime mortgage debacle.

To my knowledge, also, I'm the only one who points out that the TARP spending to banks that everyone was outraged about under Bush has been repaid with interest... but, in turn, blown by the Obama administration in addition to another $4,000,000,000,000 over the budget deficit trend.

If you heard these first (or at all for that matter) anywhere but from here I'd be surprised and I'd like a link so I can check it out.

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 11:16

Let me ask something GD... rationally you know that I care about 'underdog'... about whom you fret so vigorously. You know that I want what's best for underdog, though I see my help more indirectly through a growing pie model.

So do you dismiss every reasonable point I make as a flawed orthodoxy because it's rationally flawed or because it's inconsistent with your own orthodoxy that developed as a rationalization of a core emotion of yours to help directly?

Why I ask, is because I started out with the core emotion of help that you did... it is my nature and I developed similar rationalizations of this moral core and shared your orthodoxy for a long time. I just reason now that the orthodoxy of the right is better suited to solve the problem at hand.

By: bfra on 4/24/12 at 11:29

I give you that you have run the Tarp subject into the ground, on this board. Yet you never admit, if it wasn't for Bush/Cheney's lies, wars and their craving for oil, we wouldn't be in the shape we are now.

By: yogiman on 4/24/12 at 11:36

As history tells us, BenDover, the truth will eventually come out and be known. My question then, is: What will Congress do when Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. Barack Obama) is brought forth bringing his illegal time in the Oval Office to the public?

Will they go further with their ignorance and accept his time in office as though is was legal, or will they revoke all of his executive orders and laws passed under his false-command?

Time will also tell on Mitt Romney, too, and it will be soon. It seems to be believed he's picked Marco Rubio of Florida as his VP mate even though it's as obvious he isn't constitutionally eligible the same as Barry Soetoro. Will Romney pick him?

The US is 230+ years old and that 250 year mark is almost upon us.

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 11:44

If you'd bother to consider the other side of those arguments, bfra, you'd find logical reasoning for doing each of the things you lament about Bush.

They had no different end in mind than you do... peace, prosperity, liberty; they simply disagree with you about the necessary means.

The dreaded Bush tax cuts are only still around because Obama championed their necessity to the economy and had them extended. Obama's criticisms about the War on Terror turn out to be either naive or all political; as Obama has continued, more or less, the same path of the Bush administration in this matter.

Obama earns no criticism for doing the same things as Bush because you consider Obama ideologically under the same banner as you; not because of any real action or inaction that can be articulated. All the hysterical criticisms of Bush and the free pass given to Obama are irreconcilable on a rational basis. Obama simply appeals to your core emotions and the rest is a trick of the rational mind manipulated by political theater.

By: BigPapa on 4/24/12 at 12:13

I just dont see any basis for that lawsuit. I think the only thing she wants is to embarrass the good pastor and hope for a settlement, or at the least some revenge.

It's 2012, any woman having consensual sex with a man goes into it fully knowing the consequences of her actions. Just because he dumps you or breaks up with you doesnt give you a right to $5M.

By: gdiafante on 4/24/12 at 12:31

All the hysterical criticisms of Bush and the free pass given to Obama are irreconcilable on a rational basis.

Free pass? You really do see through rose-colored glasses...

By: gdiafante on 4/24/12 at 12:36

The dreaded Bush tax cuts are only still around because Obama championed their necessity to the economy and had them extended. Obama's criticisms about the War on Terror turn out to be either naive or all political; as Obama has continued, more or less, the same path of the Bush administration in this matter.

Congratulations, you just discovered why Obama doesn't have better numbers in his own party. He's Bush-lite.

By: Ummm... on 4/24/12 at 12:55

The dreaded Bush tax cuts are still around because the Teapublicans wouldn't agree to extend those which Obama wanted to extend (middle class) without extending those he DIDN'T want to extend (the ones for the millionaires and billionaires). let's get it straight, shall we?

By: gdiafante on 4/24/12 at 12:57

Didn't he extend them when Democrats held both houses? I could be wrong, but I thought that for some reason.

The Teapublicans did wreck our credit rating...it seems the party of personal responsibility didn't want America to pay their obligations...how responsible of them.

By: bfra on 4/24/12 at 12:57

The war in Iraq was not a war on terror, it was a war Bush wanted for vengeance and lied to get started.

By: Ummm... on 4/24/12 at 12:58

gd, you're right, but as long as the Democrats lacked 60 votes in the Senate, the Republican threat of filibuster was able to kill off anything Obama tried to pass.

By: BenDover on 4/24/12 at 1:19

The history of spending cuts for tax increases in this country is a long, long chain of broken promises.

To suggest that the credit downgrade had more to do with the Repubs standing their ground on tax increases (that they did agree to in talks before Obama decided to demagogue the issue) rather than the history boundless unchecked government spending is a ludicrous rationalization of the truth of the matter.

By: Loner on 4/24/12 at 1:25

Ben wrote:

"You might disagree as to whether Obama caused it (the financial crisis of 2008) except to the degree he was complicit with the Fannie and Freddie mess; and was running around scarring the bejeezus out of investors in the run-up to his election..."

Again, if anyone was "scaring the bejeezus out of investors" at that time, it was the specter of Sarah Palin as VP to aging John McCain.....McCain shocked the financial world on Aug 29, 2008, by announcing Palin as his VP choice....17 days later, Lehman Bros. made aliyah to Israel, stiffing investors for billions...this started the stampede for the exits...the economy crashed soon afterwards.

Barack Obama had the Dem. nomination locked up well in advance of the beginning of the stampede on 9/15/08....obviously, it was Sarah Palin, not Obama who spooked the financial community.

Any "amens" on that?