Up for Debate: N.O. police officers sentenced in Danziger incident

Thursday, April 5, 2012 at 1:32am

A federal judge handed down strong sentences to four News Orleans police officers and one detective Wednesday for their roles in the shootings of unarmed civilians on the Danziger Bridge in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Do you agree with the punishment they received? How do feel about how the case was handled?

211 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 4:17

Good morning, Nashville!

Where is the big story....the saggy baggy pants legislation?

Just kidding....as for this debate topic....all I can say is that it took a long, long time to bring these cops to justice...their victims got instant police justice. I have zero sympathy for trigger happy policemen....hopefully they'll spend the next few decades in with the general population and not in some country club "ex-police, ex-judge" section of the prison.

Under the rubric of mercy, I'd give them a large tube of Vaseline.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 4:37

Good morning, Loner!
I guess we'll have to wait awhile to hear from those who would defend the cops in this case (little Bennie, Rasputin, Yogi, etc.). In the meantime, do you agree with me that the Electoral College is an outmoded relic of a bygone era that should be abolished? I mentioned yesterday that Gore had received more votes than Bush, and it seems to me that if more Americans wanted Gore, then he should have become president. (Just imagine the disasters that might have been avoided!) But honestly, don't a Massachusetts conservative and a Tennessee liberal both deserve to have their votes for president mean something?

By: dargent7 on 4/5/12 at 5:17

N.O cops have a nortorious record for corruption. Deal drugs, sex, guns, murder...Worst Police Dept. in the Nation.
re: Barking up the wrong tree....why don't the rabid "Birther's" shake Romney's family tree? Ask why all the men fled to Mexico to raise families escaping America's anti-polygamy laws. Great grand dad had 4 wives. A Mormon thing.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 5:20

I think that justice was served and that the crime is a sign for those that serve the law are not above the law.

The trolls are still asleep.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 5:23

From yesterday;

By: yogiman on 4/4/12 at 3:04
It boils down to one point, Loner; who would you want to teach your children about sex, you and their mother or their school teachers. I always thought school was teaching children how to read and write and study about the historical past of the nation.
But you'd rather a teacher teach your children THEIR personal thoughts of sex instead of your family's? I feel sorry for your children.
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In the olden days when yogi was a youngster the parents would tell their kids about the birds and the bees. yogi was telling his kids about the pigs and the goats. Had any of the four legged stuff lately yogi?

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 5:31

Good morning, Ummm...I agree, the EC should be abolished, but that would take a constitutional amendment, which is very tough to do. A more doable solution is to federally mandate that all states apportion their EC votes to reflect the popular vote in their state...this would de-fang the EC and open up the entire nation, not just the "battleground states" for the candidates' attention.

The major political parties like the status quo, in which only a few states require any attention...the contested states get the media barrage, the deep red and the deep blue states are effectively ignored and the minority voters in those states are disenfranchised...which is exactly what the major parties want....the Democrats are not democratic by nature and the Republicans are not really republican by nature....both parties have failed the nation and the EC is one of the mechanisms of this apparently deliberate failure.

The Democrats did not cry, "FOUL!!" in 2000...that's how much the Democratic Party prefers the status quo to EC reform.

There is one silver lining in the 2000 election fiasco...Joe Lieberman did not get to be VP...that may have saved Gore's life down the road...and it may have saved this nation from Armageddon after 9-11.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/12 at 5:33

Ummm......You will not get me to defend these rotten cops. For 20 years we maintained an operation in New Orleans. I hired native New Orleans personnel from Tulane and LSU. Boy, did I learn about the culture of not only Louisiana but New Orleans as well.

The city is awash with an underclass majority. The acceptance of the underclass culture was amazing to me. The upperclass thumbs their nose at the filth and abstract justice.

As the underclass population of this country explodes by birth and circumstance I pretty much expect most of the US cities to look very much like New Orleans over the next 25 years.

The only city in the United States that I am aware of that refuses to accept the demands of the lower class is Palm Beach,Florida The police are vigilante as to who and what comes over those three bridges from West Palm Beach.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 5:38

Mornin', Darge and Captain Nemo....Romney's draft dodging ways need to be re-highlighted...his dad and his sons never served either...a family history of copping out on the military service thing....Obama is too young to be vulnerable to the draft-dodging charge and chances are probably good that on his maternal side, the men did serve in the US military....Obama needs to play that card right now, IMO.

As for NOLA...the cops are dirty and their NFL team is too...Katrina did not wash the place clean....I don't plan on visiting that hell-hole anytime soon....they'd hit me over the head and steal my sax.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 5:39

Call me crazy, but I don't mind the EC. I think solely having a popular vote would marginalize smaller states.

Yes, I understand that every so often the EC isn't compatible with the popular vote, but that's the exception, not the norm.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 5:39

Sounds like a bunch of dirty cops rolling over on a bunch of dirty cops to spare their own dirty cop @$$es. Justice here depends on to which layer you peel the onion I guess.

No worries though Serpas is down there now and that fat oinker will focus on the important things like reinstating temperance to the city and claiming victory over crime with his faux statistics press releases that the papers will publish as news.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 5:40

Very valid points, Loner. Ending the "winner take all" aspect of states' Electoral College votes would let me feel that I wasn't engaging in a quixotic exercise in futility when I go to the polls in a presidential election. And good catch on Lieberman- even the darkest clouds have some silver lining.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 5:41

gd, you're crazy. (Hey, you said...)

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 5:44

I think they should prorate the electoral votes to the candidates in the state based on the popular vote down to the 1/1000th. I really see no down-side to doing that.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 5:45

The Rasp continues with his schtick....he plays the role of elitist looking down on the "underclass" with arrogant contempt...he claims to be a wheeler & dealer...a high-rolling productive member of the "contributing class"....truth be known, the Rasp is probably a homeless wino, living under a bridge and using the Nashville Public Library's PC to post here....gets his yayas out by trying to fool us...once the liquor stores open up, he's gone for the day...that's the Rasp...I love the guy, he's got chutzpah....but his schtick is getting sweat-stained and dog-eared....he needs new material.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 5:45

Thank you Ummm...:)

I have that same futility feeling, Ummm, but it's not because of the process, it's because of the choices we have. How many people, in the last 15 years or so, have voted for the lesser of two evils rather than a qualified, competent candidate?

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 5:48

As for Gore he lost his attempt to steal the election in 2000. If the media would actually do it's job and inform the public we wouldn't be still having this conversation 12 years hence..

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 5:53

From Monday;

It appears that our troll monkey only read the headlines to prove her bias.

By: budlight on 4/2/12 at 2:21
Yogi, the ABC (a liberal network) just came out with their findings on the enhanced video showing the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head. And if liberal ABC can find that information, so can anyone with a smidgeon of a brain. Oh yeah, these libs have no brains; they just use the point and follow method. Obama points and they follow. I can assure you that if one of "theirs" were involved in killing a person, they'd be all up in arms if the person were accused wrongly. Oh yeah! Remember Rodney King? They (the victims) then looted, rioted and almost slaughtered that innocent truck driver they (the victims) pulled out of the truck in CA. Today I wonder what his life is like. The pictures of Martin show a tiny looking little innocent looking kid. I hear he had gold teeth and tatoos. Did he? I wonder. Anyway, O'Drama is an interloper; He needs to get out of the lawyer business cause he's not a lawyer. He's supposed to be a president and doing poorly at that. As a Dictator, he's A-on target with the plan!
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"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined. You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like his nose was broken or badly broken," Friedman said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-case-doctor-sees-evidence-george-zimmerman/story?id=16055412

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 5:55

Even with that, Ben, we shouldn't be having this conversation. Why not debate the controversy over the 1876 election while we're at it...now that was a corrupt election...

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 5:57

Bennie, the fact that Bush succeeded (with the USSC's help) in stopping the Florida recount makes his claim of victory suspect, at best. And even if you accept Bush's claim to the Electoral College win, you still can't deny that Gore got more Americans' votes- lots more.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 5:59

Ben is still reading the headlines from Never-Never Land gazette, about the 2000 election. LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:00

Morning Loner how are you?

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:00

Thank you, Ummm, for the kind words.

Gd, the smaller states, population-wise, already get a significant bonus to compensate for their lack of population...they get two US Senators and 2 corresponding EC votes for those 2, plus a few more votes to reflect their actual population.

Even the most populated states get only two Senators and the corresponding 2 EC votes for that....they do get more total EC votes than the sparsely populated states based upon the number of US Districts in the state...one EC vote for each district....the number of Districts (and corresponding EC votes) is rightly determined by population.

The harm caused by minority-party voter disenfranchisement, in the uncontested deep red and deep blue states, is greater than any harm that could come from making the EC vote irrelevant and making the popular vote the determining factor in deciding who will be the POTUS.

To me, human rights trump states rights. The choices of 170 million US voters should count for a lot more than the partisan choices of 50, inanimate, winner-take-all states.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 6:03

The problem about that, Ummm, is politicians would pander to population centers. Much as they do to the heartland now. So which is a better representation of America?

For the most part, the EC and popular vote match.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:04

Loner-

GOP; Corporate Rights trumps Human Rights.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:09

I'm feeling great, Nemo...hope that you are too.

Ben and I agree, NOLA is dirty...and Serpas is down there in the pig sty with a broom, mop and bucket....how long before they find dirt on Serpas, Ben? Any bets?

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 6:11

gd, seems you're accepting one form of inequality to prevent (in your estimation) another. Loner's 7:00 post is spot on, I think. The reddest of the red and the bluest of the blue are both ignored now, and the minority voters in those states cast meaningless votes.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:15

Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas said he and New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu "stand lockstep" with the Justice Department in the effort to overhaul the police department and develop "a consent decree that will have the force of law to make sure we never go down this dark horrid path ever again."

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ap/crime/after-no-cops-sentenced-focus-shifts-to-reforms/nMKW7/

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:16

Yes I'm fine Loner. Had a great day yesterday and feel that today will be just as good.

By: yogiman on 4/5/12 at 6:19

You're right, Ummm,

Al got more votes because he kept service personnel's vote from being counted. Why was there a different number in each re-count? Would he have asked for another re-count after one showed in his favor to make sure it was a fair count? Gimme a break.

And, Loner, the EC system was set up for a population per state reason. It was meant for the states to compete with each other. Otherwise, only the big cities would control the federal government. State votes wouldn't mean anything.

Oh, and by the way, nimrod, I tried to screw your pig the other day and it wouldn't let me. It said no! no!, I want my master, he's better at it than you would be.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:22

GD, the pols may appear in a population center...but the media is right there to share the images with the entire nation...the internet covers these things pretty well...it's a global village today...certainly this nation is united and indivisible enough trust its citizens to make the right choice, as opposed to the flawed and gamed EC system.

If the EC is de-fanged or abolished, every citizen in every state, town, city and village will be suddenly endowed with real and direct input in the decision-making process, as opposed to the current, indirect, "after a fashion", democratic process.

Te lingering stink of the 2000 US election is the rotten banana effect...Jeb Bush was governor in the banana republic state of Florida...the key to victory state....and Clarence Thomas, one of the 5-4 majority USSC Justices, was appointed by Junior Bush's dad...a banana republic style of Supreme Court made the awful decision.....Thomas should have recused, but he lacked the integrity to do so.....now he just broods all day on the court....he never asks questions during the oral arguments phase....if he opens his trap, he will remove all doubt as to his competence....so Thomas wisely just sits there and follows Scalia's lead....waiting patiently for the lunch break.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:22

The reddish of red and the bluest of blue will meet head on and turn to a Blackish-Purple.

Captain Nemo-

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:24

The troll 'fesses up..."Oh, and by the way, nimrod, I tried to screw your pig the other day and it wouldn't let me."

Puheeeeze! Too much information.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:25

Puhleeeeze stop it....think of the Cheeeldren!

By: yogiman on 4/5/12 at 6:26

I guess it was waiting for you, Loner.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:29

yogi, whimper, "Oh, and by the way, nimrod, I tried to screw your pig the other day and it wouldn't let me. It said no! no!, I want my master, he's better at it than you would be."
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I think the only good thing about a pig is Ham. So yogi, you're says that you are a lousy pig lover. What do the goat say about you?

By: yogiman on 4/5/12 at 6:29

Just wondering... what would have happened in the NO incident if the police hadn't confiscated their weapons from the citizens, I believe theft in homes went wild when they did.

I believe they forgot to tell the criminals they weren't supposed to have guns.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 6:30

Leave it to yogi to bring the level of discourse down to the Kindergarten level.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 6:33

Just when you thought the conversation could do without a deluded, semi-literate crackpot, Yogi shows up.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:34

The world is not going the way yogi commands it to be. Now the old troll lashes out with his heartbroken cry of why oh why can I have my way? Sob,Sob!

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:35

Maybe yogi got turned down again last night.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:35

I think that if the major political parties saw the fruited plain as being uniformly purple...neither red nor blue....they would have to do some honest work for a change...as it is now, they hit the EZ Button....we get "Democracy Lite" as a result.

I do not think that the Founders intended for the states to use a winner-takes-all system to allocate their EC votes.....that sounds like a later corruption of the original intent....but I'm no election scholar....too lazy to Google that right now...I wonder, what was their original intent?

Did the War Between the States result in uniting an indivisible nation, as claimed? Or did the survival of the EC system after the Civil War prove that states rights survived the war over states rights and effectively do trump the human and civil rights of the citizens in our democratic republic?

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 6:41

I think the original intent of the Founders was to let Congress decide (Virginia Plan). Then, they did something totally unfamiliar to modern-day politics...they compromised. The met in the middle of having Congress decide and a popular vote - the EC.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:41

Good points Loner. I wish that the EC was not winner take all.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:45

COMPROMISE!!! NO WAY!

US Congress-

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 6:49

Also, you have to remember that they gave us a Republic. Democracy was considered, at the time, as crude. The prevailing assumption was that enlightened individuals (mostly wealthy landowners) should have the responsibility of choosing for the less informed "rabble".

It wouldn't be until the Age of Jackson that Democracy would be embraced.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:53

Amen to that gd

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 6:53

Let's face it: The Founding Fathers were a bunch of mothers....half of them owned slaves, they all seemed to hate and despise the native American peoples and they treated women as property or incomplete adults, in need of supervision.

In their original plan, the state legislatures chose the US Senators, not the citizens...that undemocratic and highly partisan practice lasted for over a hundred years before the citizens woke up to the scam.

Considering the barbaric times in which the Constitution was conceived and approved, it was a highly liberal approach to governance...quite radical, in fact.

But today, we can see how the system needs some correction and some updating...but the major political parties and the major media are very happy with the status quo...the cash cows are content to graze in the same old pasture...they will not initiate true reform....it has to come from the grass roots....but with the advent of the Super-PACs it may be too late for that.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 6:56

gdia-

That’s what the Corporation is doing today.

Tell me it is a knee jerk reaction, Ben. ;- )

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:02

That isn't the fault, or intent, of the Constitution, that's the idiot SC...the best court money can buy.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 7:03

The EC system effectively rules out the effectiveness of a third party in US politics....the best that a third party can do, in a presidential election today, is throw the election into the House of Representatives to decide...that could be done by denying any candidate the needed 270 Electoral College votes....since the House is filled with members of the two major parties, not a third party incumbent...the third party would have zero chance of winning the WH.

The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are well aware of these facts...and they jealously guard their monopoly on power.....while taking in hundreds of millions in campaign cash....which they primarily spend by buying major media time slots....the major media are fat, dumb and happy...."What EC problem?"....hence the media silence.