Up for Debate: N.O. police officers sentenced in Danziger incident

Thursday, April 5, 2012 at 1:32am

A federal judge handed down strong sentences to four News Orleans police officers and one detective Wednesday for their roles in the shootings of unarmed civilians on the Danziger Bridge in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Do you agree with the punishment they received? How do feel about how the case was handled?

211 Comments on this post:

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:06

Loner, though the party system was a direct result of ratifying the Constitition, party's did not exist in 1787, so that wasn't really a consideration.

By: yogiman on 4/5/12 at 7:08

The original plan for the states to appoint the senators was to make sure they represented the states and not private industry. If they didn't follow the states guide, they could be fired and brought home.

So..., they got the 17th Amendment passed to keep them from getting fired for not serving the state. What is the biggest differences in the vote between the House and Senate when the Senate isn't representing the state any longer. They're both voting for the people who're giving them the money to run for re-election. To hell with the people back home.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 7:10

I agree, Gd. The CU decision ranks right up there with the Dred Scott decision, under the heading of Wrong-Headed USSC Decisions....IMHO. The fat cats are out of the bag now...I can't see them ever being rounded up and put back in the sack....they have no natural enemies....this could be trouble down the road....serious trouble....revolutionary trouble? Keep yer powder dry, Gd.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:14

I'm not sure what would cause a revolution, Loner. Washington keeps screwing us, the court keeps screwing us, Wall Street keeps screwing us...yet we quietly go on, effectively touching our toes and asking Thank you sir, may I have another?.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:17

Geeezzz, this Ummmm character is like some ankle biting little field-goal dog.

Loner you know that Gore and William (bring out yer dead) Daley were trying to recount just the districts that statistically favored Gore and the SCotUS found 7-2 this a violation of the 14th amendment's equal protection clause. Their goal was give potentially unscrupulous poll workers in strongly Democratic districts enough access to the ballots so they could eat enough chads to overturn Bush's win.

The media consortium recounts confirmed Bush's win. They had to resort to boxing up the ballots and sending them to Chicago for another recount to finally get one that favored Gore so as to keep the myth alive as a way to continue to undermine Bush's legitimacy. Some really nasty @$$ Machiavellian politics right there.

The willful delusion on this is quite astounding.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 7:21

Yeah, George Washington did not represent any particular political party, to my knowledge.

Since secular, republican, constitutional democracy was still a shaky, if not dubious proposition in 1787, the Founders may have been blind-sided by the advent of political parties...but I think that political parties already existed in some constitutional monarchies at the time....they should have seen that coming?

The Roman Republic had political parties...or political factions....the Patricians and the Plebeians. The Founders were mostly well-read and they must have studied Latin and Roman history...they should have seen that political parties would arise in the USA....IMHO.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:23

Again... I don't see any down-side to pro-rating the EC votes based on the popular vote. I don't think it can ever happen though because what state with a solid red or solid blue majority is going to agree to shift a portion of that support to the opposite candidate? I'm not sure what kind of mechanism could affect that kind of change.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 7:30

Again, Ben Dover and I find common ground...he wrote, "The willful delusion on this is quite astounding."

Yes, the willful self-delusion - what I call "Self-bullshitization" - here on these boards is astounding....and the attempts to delude others are equally astounding....but our trolls are not astounding....they are ass-sounding.....For example, Yogi's grasp of the US Constitution is quite ass-sounding, is it not?

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:31

Washington criticized the development of political parties if I remember correctly. He had Hamilton one ear and Jefferson in the other though and that was the beginning of the divide. Jefferson, at the time, went on to form the Democratic party (which in truth would better be described as the anti-federalist party)... Hamilton the Federalist.

Ironic now that the Democratic party is the Uber-Federalist party. Opportunism reigns supreme I guess.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:33

I though you'd like a slow high-arching softball right over the plate for breakfast there loner.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/5/12 at 7:33

LONER........I do not have any new material. The only material that matters to me is to stop this "all people are created equal and should have equal wealth" crap. The other material that concerns me is not over your head but it is over the head of most of the daily posters on this board. I prefer ot to bore them with it.

In all fairness, I would prefer a caste system in this country.

I always enjoy your rhetoric. You may not see the big picture entirely but you express yourself well.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:35

You're right, Ben. It was Hamiltonian vs Jeffersonian ideals. The Federalists won early, anti-Federalists (Democrats) later. The death knell of Federalists were the Alien and Sedition Acts. Adams never should have signed that.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 7:35

Little Bennie- in spite of your personal attack, let me point out to you once again that no matter how much you may wish it weren't so, Al Gore got many, many more votes from the American electorate than that complete disaster who subsequently occupied the White House. Arf, arf little Bennie.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 7:39

Ben ponders and wonders, "I'm not sure what kind of mechanism could affect that kind of change."

Uhhh, I dunno, maybe a multi-megaton Islamic atomic bomb, in a U-Haul van, is detonated by suicidal Jihadis, on the roof of a parking garage, in Washingtom DC... as the POTUS delivers the annual State of the Union speech....that would certainly be a mechanism for change....Holy Wars Suck!

I doubt if the union of American states could survive a blow like that....the Governors would be left in charge of what was left of the American Experiment in secular, republican, constitutional democracy.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:41

Ben, the lines were blurred in the 1790's when comparing current party platforms. Federalists were largely Revolutionary veterans who understood that a central authority was necessary. Also, Hamilton, the Federalist Party head, was pro-business, establishing the Bank of the U.S., establishing the credit of the U.S., initiating an effective revenue system (Treasury), promoting the transfer of an egrarian economy to a manufacturing economy and creating/promoting speculation. Though he didn't quite meet the mark on manufacturing, his ideas were well-found and utilized once we entered the Industrial Revolution.

In other words, he wanted a strong central government and a robust private, industrial economy. The two aren't mutally exclusive, contrary to current belief.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:42

Yes... that being the epitome of a meaningless victory, ummm, since they were not in a contest to win the popular vote.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:42

s/h/b agrarian

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:48

The more congress meddles with business the more business will meddle with congress gd. Without the former there's no opportunity for graft and cronyism. The idea that the big companies mind all of this though is a myth though. Another barrier to entry for another competitor? "Here, have another million"... the problem is that this adds no value to the economic whole.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 7:50

Little Bennie said: "Yes... that being the epitome of a meaningless victory, ummm, since they were not in a contest to win the popular vote."

Ah, so you do acknowledge the fact that more people voted for Gore than Bush, Bennie? That's progress- and the "meaninglessness" of the popular vote victory is exactly why I brought up the subject of the archaic and outmoded Electoral College system. The reform that is overdue could have prevented the disastrous Bush presidency.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 7:53

Ben, even Milton Friedman understood that government must regulate, as minimal as possible, but it must regulate. It's a myth that everyone can get along without rules. Didn't the story of the Ten Commandments teach you anything?

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:54

If Gore could just have carried his home state it would all be moot though.

But he went on to become the Gaia Messiah and like all good charismatic evangelists got caught drunk, with his pants down, trying to pay the masseuse to release his chakra all over the hotel room.

A ridiculous end to a ridiculous character. PtL he never became president.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 7:56

That's a strawman, gd. I never said there should be no regulation.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 7:57

Rasp.....flattery will get you everywhere.

Thanks for the slow, over-the-plate, in the strike-zone pitch, Ben...needed that...love the sound of that sweet spot on the hard ash bat, as it thwacks the horse-hide sphere into the upper atmosphere.

Ummm...be careful, that big dog bites back.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 8:00

Loner likes sweet talk…Yankee Doodle. LOL

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:01

Elimination of the electoral college would focus all federal policy on urban concerns and values and would totally undermine the rural class.

A better solution would be to pro-rate the state electors by state popular votes.

Now that you've finally caught up with the conversation you can just sit back now and observe how the adults make cogent points.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 8:03

I'm no big fan of Al's, Bennie, but if you think this country was better served by having "W" as commander-in-chief, you're even more deluded than I previously assumed. Since you claim to endorse Loner's apportionment proposal regarding electoral votes, just how do you see that affecting Romney's chances for election? His "snowball's chance in hell" only derives from the presupposition of a "solid south." Even without electoral reform, the only way a Massachusetts Mormon wins in the south is by having a black man as an opponent, pretty sad.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 8:05

No strawman, Ben. The GOP mantra is that regulation is meddling. Period. Let the market decide, right? Well, a self-regulated market is a completely corrupt market. Look what happened when a fraction of regulations were removed.

The more complicated and global business becomes, the more the need for oversight.

Well, correct oversight. I think the major problem is that we don't have the right regulations, not that regulations are bad. Of course, correction would require...wait for it...reform.

Can't have that.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 8:05

Ah, little Bennie- when he can't win on the issues he resorts to personal attacks. What a shame.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 8:07

Ummm-

You need to be careful about how you phrase words on this board, yogi is easy confused and will think of the silliest things.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 8:12

And, I've long been on the record that there should be a top-to-bottom review of every government agency in order eliminate antiquated laws/policies and institute new or reform existing ones to conform to a 21st century model.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:13

Romney can win. Rubio if he takes the nod for veep will lock in Florida (and New Mexico will prove to be a little more icing on the cake). The Northern swing states will like Romney over Obama's divisive politics. The south will fall in line for the more conservative candidate. The Census netted another 14 for conservatives in the coming election I think. Obama's riding high now because it's taken so long to lock in a candidate on the republican side... that'll fade after the convention when the spotlight returns to Obama's miserable failure as PotUS.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 8:17

Ben reaches into his bag of dried canards ad throws this one at us: "Elimination of the electoral college would focus all federal policy on urban concerns and values and would totally undermine the rural class."

Uhhh, Benjamin Dover, "rural class"? I was a Rural Letter Carrier for 20 years....the suburbs have overflowed into the countryside proper....the family farm is pretty much gone...large agri-business concerns rent and farm what land was not sold to developers.
This is a national trend.

Even out in the boonies, people have cable or satellite TV hookups and high-speed internet services are available nearly everywhere....everybody has a cell phone it seems..and the new "phones" are miniature personal computers with internet access.

The idea that folks out in the country are somehow out of the loop and would be ignored, if the EC were eliminated or neutered, is quite ludicrous, Ben....even Jed Clampett's relatives, back in the sticks, are online, wired and wireless....rural isolation is a thing of the past.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:20

We just see that differently gd. I believe that when you make things easier to do right than they are to do wrong you don't have to waste tons of time and energy on oversight.

We both believe in the 'end' of smart oversight. It seems disagree on the means to that end.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 8:22

Marco Rubio's "Birth Certificate" was produced using a PC and a printer...before they were invented....Rubio is an ILLEGAL!!.....read it on the internet....gotta be true.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:28

Rural vs. Urban is the chasm in society now loner.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:31

Speaking of birther stuff... your point about military service might not be the best thing for Obama to be pushing after all Loner. That civil service registration does seem to have some substantial irregularities with it.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 8:32

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 9:22
Marco Rubio's "Birth Certificate" was produced using a PC and a printer...before they were invented....Rubio is an ILLEGAL!!.....read it on the internet....gotta be true.

Oh no, this can’t be. The troll will double is usurpers attacks. Then maybe it want, Rubio is lighter skin and he is Republican too.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 8:32

Litlle Bennie said: "Rural vs. Urban is the chasm in society now loner"

I guess that's why all those farmers were occupying Wall Street.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:34

shb 'Selective' service

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 8:39

I counted 248 official Congressional Caucuses listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucuses_of_the_United_States_Congress

As demonstrated yesterday, our troll is outraged by one of them...thinks they're a bunch of racists...apparently, he has no problem with any of the other 247 caucuses, just the Congressional Black Caucus...but he's NOT a racist.

Actually, I was shocked to see how many of these caucuses are out there...talk about a listing of selfish special interests....they all suck, IMO....I hate professional zealots and I enjoy de-frocking them whenever I get the opportunity to do so.

By: gdiafante on 4/5/12 at 8:44

I'd agree to disagree on that Ben.

I also think that the right has moved so far right, that Obama's center-right governing would seem as a failure. I think he's not been good, but I wouldn't say a failure. His biggest problem, IMO, is how he continually appeases the GOP. That's not leading.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 8:51

Selective Service is a dormant federal monster, Ben, we now have hi-paid volunteers and higher paid privateers to do the dirty work of war.

Obama has nothing to lose by revisiting the dark days, when local selective service "draft boards" were allowed to decide who would be thrown into the meat grinder and who would be spared.

The Swift Boaters and the various veterans organizations ought to be bringing up the lack of a family history of military service in the Romney clan....their draft-dodging is an old family tradition...time-honored stuff....and beyond reproach, of course.

Gore's combat service in Vietnam was held in contempt by the Republican Party....but now, they are about to nominate a man whose family has apparently done nothing to defend the nation they would rule.

The GOP just loves a hypocrite and the chicken-hawk is the most detestable of the breed.

By: BenDover on 4/5/12 at 8:55

"I also think that the right has moved so far right, that Obama's center-right governing would seem as a failure"

That's the myth they've been working hard for the last 2 years gd.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 8:55

Rural vs. Urban is the new code for saying White vs. Black.

By: brrrrk on 4/5/12 at 8:57

gdiafante said

"Call me crazy, but I don't mind the EC. I think solely having a popular vote would marginalize smaller states.

Yes, I understand that every so often the EC isn't compatible with the popular vote, but that's the exception, not the norm."

I agree. If not for the EC, the candidates would only concentrate on the densely populated areas of the country because (to paraphrase Willie Sutton) that's where the votes are. Now, as a "lefty" this would be a clear advantage because more populated areas tend to vote more to the left, but frankly I just don't see this as the way to go. No, the real answer to the problem is a more informed citizenry.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/5/12 at 8:57

No Ben that is the truth that the GOP has been pushing for more than 20yrs.

By: Loner on 4/5/12 at 8:58

Since the draft has been eliminated in the USA...the term "draft dodger" is headed for oblivion....the Dems had better use it one more time....they are soon going to lose the chance to do so; as time marches on, the draft will become a distant memory.

By: Ummm... on 4/5/12 at 9:02

brrrrk, what about Loner's proposal for apportionment of each state's electoral votes according to popular vote percentage? Wouldn't that be better than having the conservatives in solid blue states and the liberals in solid red states cast meaningless ballots for president?

By: brrrrk on 4/5/12 at 9:04

Ummm... said

"Bennie, the fact that Bush succeeded (with the USSC's help) in stopping the Florida recount makes his claim of victory suspect, at best. And even if you accept Bush's claim to the Electoral College win, you still can't deny that Gore got more Americans' votes- lots more."

It was Scalia who said

"The counting of votes that are of questionable legality does in my view threaten irreparable harm to petitioner Bush, and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election."

Get it? irreparable harm to petitioner Bush?

By: slacker on 4/5/12 at 9:08

Good morning all..
Yes the N.O. police dept. is corrupt, maybe the worst in the land. Went there in the 60's for Mardi Gras, left after one day. I never understood the allure of the place. Half of the city should be abandoned and citizens relocated. Sell the land to the oil companies and let them sort out the weather problems.
The electoral college is obviously not perfect, but IMO makes every state, namely the smaller ones, more inclusive. Rule # 1 if you run for Preez, win your home state.
Even Mondale done that.