Up for Debate: One man's gun-law battle

Friday, July 27, 2012 at 12:39am

What do you think of Leonard Embody's challenges to gun laws, both in the courtroom and in public?

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125 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 7/27/12 at 3:52

It was an accident officer. The deer jump me and I was afraid for my life.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 5:00

I think the fellow has a axe to grind with society, much like the underclass has with the upper class.

By: Ummm... on 7/27/12 at 5:13

Embody is a bonafide nut case whose penchant for brandishing weapons in public goes beyond the pale with respect to civilized behavior. Therefore, I expect him to be supported by the vast majority of Tennesseans.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/27/12 at 5:14

What do you know of class Rasputin? You have none.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/27/12 at 5:15

What do you know of class Rasputin? You have none.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 5:23

I think the fellow has a axe to grind with society, much like the underclass has with the upper class.

Much like Raspy has with the lower class. Yawn...

By: Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 5:26

Captain, I see that you confirmed my statement about the clash of classes. It certainly exists does it not?

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 5:38

Yes, Raspy, and so does the tooth fairy. I know that last one's hard to believe for you, since you lost your teeth so long ago, but it's twoo...it's twoo...

By: dargent7 on 7/27/12 at 6:01

Oh, now I remember. Is this the guy who walked around Belle Meade with a AK-47 strapped to his waist?

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 6:07

We always hear these gun nuts (and those who are not nuts but adopt the same argument) that gun control is violating their rights. What right is that? Controls limit the 2nd amendment in certain places, like parks, Federal buildings, schools, etc. That isn't taking away your right to own a gun, give me a break.

And what about my rights? Why should I have to live in fear of criminals and the rogue gun owner? Why should I have to think twice before taking my kids to see "Brave" because I know the system allows for any nut to purchase a military grade weapon and ammunition?

Gun sales are spiking again...it's not because people are afraid of the second amendment being repealed, they're afraid because they know that anyone can legally buy their own personal arsenal and unleash that fury at any time, any where.

This madness has got to stop.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 6:52

Hey, I have a suggestion on how to quickly improve the South. Use live ammo at Civil War reinactments.

btw....good morning, folks. And TGIF!

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 7:09

Are you kids jealous of Rasputin72 for his success, boys? Jealousy will earn you nothing.

And much is argued about gun control or lack of it. Strangely, I have never heard of a gun killing anyone.

I have read of criminals making attacks on people (and strangely, even in church) and when one of their "victims" pulled a gun and fired back, the fight was over.

It's ridiculous to have to check to see if you can go into a place or space armed. I'm a legally armed citizen and I never leave home without it.

How many have lost their lives because they weren't armed?

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 7:14

OMG - An 85 yr. old kook, with a gun! You should post your itinerary before going out in public. Innocent people deserve a fair warning!

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 7:18

bfra, I have a feeling he doesn't leave home much and thank goodness he lives in the boonies. He will probably end up shooting himself in the foot if he hasn't already.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 7:20

Gdiafante.......Have you not heard the old adage ...If you outlaw guns only the the outlaws will have guns........Very seldom I agree with you but your 7:07 is as good an analysis as as could be presented.

I would guess that in the last four years a number of friends in my age group who have never had a gun since their childhood BB gun have bought guns and even taken gun use classes. Their reason is that they believe there will be unmitigated attacks of "some sort" on their lifestyle. A few have even stockpiled non-perishable foods expecting riots and insurrection in the forthcoming years.

To your point, "This madness has got to stop" Unfortunately I do not think that there is a chance in hell of that happening. "Madness" seems to have infiltrated the culture of the entire nation.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 7:24

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By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 7:29

I believe our culture will become more violent as the middle class continues to erode. If we go down that path, the ultra-wealthy will live behind their armed perimeters and we will start to resemble a feudal state. Of course, Rasp believes he will be one of the folks living behind the armed perimeter however I seriously doubt if he were of that class that he would have the time or interest to be posting on this board.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 7:32

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

― John Steinbeck

By: girliegirl on 7/27/12 at 7:39

Gdia is correct, especially the part where "military" weapons are being purchased "legally" by just about anyone and everyone. The only thing that spooks me more....you can get them "illegally" just as easily. All that is required is .....money. And that's where the difference is....the Drug Cartels have more $$$ than ALL of us combined, so they're now better "armed"' than our own law enforcement. Just ask any Sec Svc Agent or member of the ATF.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 7:41

Again, Raspy, because you don't seem to understand...again...no one has a problem with banning the mentally ill from being able to own a gun. This isn't infringing upon your right to own a gun...unless you're nuts...so I take if from your post that you're conceding your lunacy? That's good. Overcoming denial is the first step...

And, if you aren't able to buy an AR-10, that won't prevent you from getting another gun that's not military grade. Like I said, your argument fails...

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 7:47

By: Ummm... on 7/27/12 at 6:13
Embody is a bonafide nut case whose penchant for brandishing weapons in public goes beyond the pale with respect to civilized behavior. Therefore, I expect him to be supported by the vast majority of Tennesseans.

Well not really Ummmm. I have friends who have license to carry, but they don't brandish them all over the place while wearing camoflauge. He sounds a bit nutty to me. He sounds almost as nutty as the Theatre killer in Colorado. Look at that guy's eyes! They are crazed looking. He is pure evil. No one plans the type of killing event that he planned unless they are evil - and he wanted to do further harm by wiring up his apartment so many more would die - he hoped and thought. I'm glad he did not get to pull that one off.

Girliegirl is right. The criminals are better armed. And guns really are not the problem. Guns cannot be used without people. People who are evil and stupid are the problem.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 7:52

Guns are the problem too, Bud. That entire theater could've been armed, but because he was using the weapon he was, with the magazine, it's very unlikely anyone would've gotten a shot off. To be honest, people there are lucky the thing jammed.

But to go back to my previous point, if, as a society, we feel the need to be armed everywhere there's a serious problem.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 7:56

g, we live in a culture of fear and paranoia and that uneasiness is perpetuated by the fundamentalists on the far right - the ones who always see Armageddon on the horizon. Many of the early settlers of this country were armed fanatics.

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 7:56

Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 8:20
Gdiafante.......Have you not heard the old adage ...If you outlaw guns only the the outlaws will have guns........Very seldom I agree with you but your 7:07 is as good an analysis as as could be presented.

I would guess that in the last four years a number of friends in my age group who have never had a gun since their childhood BB gun have bought guns and even taken gun use classes. Their reason is that they believe there will be unmitigated attacks of "some sort" on their lifestyle. A few have even stockpiled non-perishable foods expecting riots and insurrection in the forthcoming years.

To your point, "This madness has got to stop" Unfortunately I do not think that there is a chance in hell of that happening. "Madness" seems to have infiltrated the culture of the entire nation.

Raspy, I don't see it as "maddness" totally. You have to add to that the element of greed and "entitlement". In other words, you work hard for what you get, skrimp, save and try to get ahead. Then someone one like Obama comes along and says "well, we have to redistribute the wealth" and imbeds into the upcoming society that they deserve more and they deserve the "more" to come from those who have worked hard, invested wisely and fought to survive. So naturally, some of those people feel threatened.

The guy in Colorado is maddness, combined with mental illness, greed and hate.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:02

Beernazi,

I would be glad to compete with you and brfa in target practice. Wanna put some money up on it?

And consider this as a warning if you want to sneak into my home; ammunition has gotten expensive and I won't fire a warning shot.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 8:06

7/27/12 at 9:02 - If that isn't the dumbest comment on the board. LMAO and wondering where this kook came from.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:07

Today is going to be interesting. I understand that UN gun control bill is supposed to be signed by Obama. I

If Congress allows that to go through, that's one more step for Barry to gain more control. I've heard gun sales and ammo sales have increased hands high.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 8:08

Beernzi - I think we just got challenged to a duel! Still laughing!

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 8:09

gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 8:52
Guns are the problem too, Bud. That entire theater could've been armed, but because he was using the weapon he was, with the magazine, it's very unlikely anyone would've gotten a shot off. To be honest, people there are lucky the thing jammed.

But to go back to my previous point, if, as a society, we feel the need to be armed everywhere there's a serious problem.

I see your point, G. But I still like to hope that if somone had a valid weapon, they could have shot him.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 8:11

Talk about paranoia. Why the heck would I want to go anywhere near his place. Crazy old fool.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:20

gdiafante,

You're saying even if someone had a gun, no one could have got a shot off. Not even when his gun jammed? Hold long did it take for him to kill 12 people and wound 58?

Hell, you're an old Marine. How long would it have taken for you to get a shot off? Even as an old sailor I could have gotten one off by the time he pulled that trigger 10 times.

By: slacker on 7/27/12 at 8:22

nazi, yogi found a glass doorknob and thinks it's the Hope diamond.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 8:28

Wouldn't surprise me, slack.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:30

One other point on your 8:52 post, gdiafante. This isn't the nation I grew up in. Even 40 years ago when I bought my farm the doors to this old house didn't even have locks on them and I felt no fear for my children when I had to go to work.

But today, I have dead bolts on every door. The criminal population has grown with the normal human population. I think that's obvious there has been a necessary increase in new prisons and jails.

Back in the early 60s when my dad was sheriff of Sumner County he only had 2 deputies... for the whole damn country. And I understand it wasn't much difference in the other counties back then.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 8:32

A former doctoral student in a gas mask barged into a crowded Denver-area theater during a midnight showing of the Batman movie on Friday, hurled a gas canister and then opened fire, killing 12 people and injuring at least 59 others in one of the deadliest mass shootings in recent U.S. history.

When the gas began to spread, some moviegoers thought it was a stunt that was part of the "The Dark Knight Rises," one of the most highly anticipated films of the summer. They saw a silhouette of a person in the smoke near the screen, first pointing a gun at the crowd and then shooting.

"There were bullet (casings) just falling on my head. They were burning my forehead," Jennifer Seeger said, adding that the gunman, dressed like a SWAT team member, fired steadily except when he stopped to reload.

"Every few seconds it was just: Boom, boom, boom," she said. "He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed."

Yeah, I can imagine an 80 year old moron trying to pull his gun in the middle of that...

By: slacker on 7/27/12 at 8:34

yogi.. you've gotta stop challenging people to duels.. Burch will sue you.
Nobodys gonna break into your domicile, what with all those cats & dogs in there.
Mix up a lithium and Metamucil cocktail.. and take a nap.

By: BenDover on 7/27/12 at 8:39

We need fringers like this guy to help offset the vast number of people who are too naive to understand that a gun ban will serve to do nothing except disarm people who obey the law.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 8:40

yogi says, eh, well eh, let me see which end of this here bullet goes in this here gun, eh, must be the pointed end last. Damn, it was already loaded and that's my foot I shot!

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 8:40

You know G, maybe someone like Yogi would just die trying. But at least they would have tried.

We live in a complacent world. People are just going around looking for entertainment and self-gratification. I'm glad I live in a country where guns have not been taken away from us. Look at Norway - was it 67 people shot by one man? I think that if someone - anyone - had a gun that day, they could have at least tried to stop that crazed maniac.

One point to think about: If you people who do not believe in Jesus are right, then I will have believed and not really lost anything. But if you all who don't believe are wrong, then you have lost everything.

If we all lived by this: Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you - then it would be logical to do "good" instead of "evil". Who, in their right mind, would want someone to be evil or mean to them? Most people who are sane, only want the good!

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:42

Something you "brilliant" people should think about: The citizens of every nation that has been ruled by a dictator have not been allowed guns. Look at Germany, Japan, Italy, China, North Korea and there's more.

And you could bet your a$$ if he could have outlawed guns in the USA, Barry Soetoro would have taken over the day he usurped the office.

What do you all think this civilian army he has been building is for? What in the hell does an American President need with a civilian army? You know, the one he said he would create before the idiots voted him in office?

Are you all ready for communist? I'm not.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 8:43

The assault weapon ban was in place for years, Ben, and that didn't prevent one person from owning a gun, you just wouldn't be able to get a certain gun.

It would have prevented, however, the nut in Colorado from getting the AR-10.

By: slacker on 7/27/12 at 8:44

Ben, Leonard's method is a crude way to try an establish that point... imo

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 8:47

Again (maybe I should write a book Gun Control Laws for Dummies), banning assault weapons, restricting the mentally ill from owning guns and regulating the purchase of guns at gun shows and the internet is not restricting your right to bear arms.

Just as not being able to carry a gun into a Federal building is not restricting your 2nd amendment right either. Jeez...

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 8:47

Yogi, it's sort of a waste of your words to talk about the history of Germany, Japan, Italy, China and North Korea to people who didn't even crack a book in high school, let alone college. They are bigger and better and smarter than anyone else. They live in a world where reality is a beer, a joint, a porno film, some free stuff, or sleeping till 2 p.m. and then hittig the bars again by 4 p.m. Not really worth wasting words on.

You and I have known what the "good life" and "freedom" really is. They didn't, don't and won't ever know.

It's sad to see America go the way of other socialist countries. It is not what the people who escaped from England's tyrannical rule envisioned at all. But heck, in 10 years, it won't matter anyway.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 8:49

...reality is a beer, a joint, a porno film, some free stuff, or sleeping till 2 p.m. and then hittig the bars again by 4 p.m. Not really worth wasting words on.

TMI, Bud. Keep what you and yogi do together to yourself.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:51

gdiafante,

I don't know what kind of training you got in the Marines, I've always thought they were better than average, but I don't believe you got the same training I got in the Navy.

Because of several "incidents" in my life, I'm still here, and not just because I sat on my a$$ and waited for it to go on by.

And by the way, big farter, I'm only 81. I just hope I'm still here at that 85 mark so I can continue to laugh at you.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 8:53

Well, if you must know, yogi, I qualified as an expert on an M-16. Unfortunately, I don't have an M-16 on me right now, I left it in my other jeans.

I usually don't carry it to movies, either, especially when I take the kids to a Disney movie.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 8:56

Bye the way, Beernazi,

I read your recommendation on the site about Berg. How about looking at this one:

www.scribd.com/doc/18010847/berg-v-obama-kweli-shuhubia-affidavit/

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 9:00

As far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned I'm an originalist.... each gun nut can have as many muskets as the can afford.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 9:01

An M-16 is too awkward to carry around, gdiafante. Get a little Kel-Tech like mine. It's a 9MM and fits snugly in my pocket. You'll never even notice it's there... until you need it.

I have a friend in Brush Creek who's a dealer and he'll give you a good price on one.