Up for Debate: One man's gun-law battle

Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 11:39pm

What do you think of Leonard Embody's challenges to gun laws, both in the courtroom and in public?

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By: BenDover on 7/27/12 at 10:02

The unrest in society is not to do with the fact that some people have more than others. It has to do with people being taught and buying into the idea that this situation isn't fair.

When I started my career I was working two jobs, going to night school in my two bedroom trailer with two in diapers. My friends who opted to take union labor jobs were making about double what I was then and while I was repaying student loans they were buying houses and boats and SUVs. While I was selling plasma for gas money they trying out a new rod and reel combo. While I was working extra hours (exempt status) to learn another programming language they were walking to the truck when the whistle blew and popping a cold beer for the ride home.

As was inevitable they skills were not something that most anyone could do nor were they things that couldn't be automated so the power of the collective and the labor monopoly fell to an economic reality of supply and demand.

Fast forward 20 years and they are still making wages about double what I did starting out but I'm making wages 5 times theirs. They can stand around and bitch at me about being a 1%er but we took two different paths.

The unrest is unfounded because in my experience my story is the rule and not the exception. People who play by the rules, went to school, worked their @$$es off above and beyond what was required are the ones enjoying the high salaries now.

Then you throw in the fact that everything they do to try to fix it makes the problems worse. Raising the minimum wage just causes more unemployment in the unskilled trades and in turn less demand for semi-skilled service sector jobs of which our relatively well educated society is best suited. When you place a huge tax on the highest earners the employers end up paying even more for the key technology and leader roles because these people work because they choose to and it is net income that drives whether they want to do a certain job or another.

The cure is the cause of wage discrepancies and this sowing of dissent because of discrepancies as unfair is what is driving people to break the rules. People will abide by the rules of society to the degree they believe they are fair. Unfortunately we've got a whole political class in this country dedicated to convincing their voting block that emphasizes perceived unfairness based on different results.

They have young people p*ssed off because they are not earning and do not have as much as I do when it took me 25 years to get where I am. In truth any young person who took the path I did today would find themselves at about 75% of where I am salary wise in just a few short years in the work force. To say that our society of opportunity is unfair in the general sense is to misrepresent our society for political gain.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 10:04

Yes, that was sarcasm, yogi...lol

No thank you. Though I have the right to bear arms, I choose not to. Isn't America great?

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 10:07

BenDover said

"The unrest in society is not to do with the fact that some people have more than others. It has to do with people being taught and buying into the idea that this situation isn't fair. "

And as I've said before, those who push the idea that life isn't fair; just get over it.... are often the people who seem to have been treated the "most fair" by life, and often use it to their advantage.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 10:08

Yada yada yada, Ben. People are working more hours, for stagnant wages, while the cost of living keeps on rising. But they shouldn't voice their opinion that they believe the system is fixed because it's probably their own fault.

right...

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 10:21

40% of middle class wealth has been erased the past few years, but that's their own fault...they should've worked harder...

Most of that wealth was destroyed because of the housing bubble and financial disaster regarding sub-prime loans, but let's not point fingers at those guys, they're the job creators...

After all, if Johnny lost 50% of the value in his home, it wasn't because of the banks betting on mortgages, it's because he he's lazy and really only wanted a handout.

(for yogi: it's sarcasm)

By: Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 10:23

BENDOVER.........If you presented your 10:02 post to the students at Harpeth Hall MBA Franklin Road Academy Ensworth BGA Christ Presbyterian Lipscomb Brentwood Academy Father Ryan Pope John Paul and Goodpasture I would bet that you get affirmation from over 90% of those students.

If however you presented that post to the schools where Ummm Beernazi, Captain Nemo and Gdiafante were students you most likely would get an exact opposite reaction. 90% of those students would disagree.

The reason is very simple. Children of productive families have a totally different view of what is expected and what must be sacrificed in order to meet their own expectations.
The children of the lower class and welfare class are more interested in "free stuff" because "free stuff" is their divine right. They have been taught by their peers and parents that the reason they have nothing or very little is not because they are motivationallly and in some cases genetically bankrupt.

They had rather believe that people like you are just a fable.

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 10:25

Yes, because hard work is exclusive to the wealthy. Raspy, you are so full of sh!t you must have brown eyes...lol

By: BenDover on 7/27/12 at 10:35

One of the greatest tragedies in our society is that young black men are taught they they cannot make it. So they give up and resort to crime before even taking a swing at the ball because they have been taught society is not fair so it's OK for them to break the rules.

The fact is, life isn't 100% fair, but for a person of average intelligence and ability our society is fair. There are 3 factors that determine our success in life. Ability, Attitude and Opportunity. Ability has been marked down to a very low common denominator in that if you put in even a modicum of effort in school you will surpass 80% of the people who are not there for an education. Opportunity is largely out of your control except to the extent you can be prepared for it when it arises and willing to make a leap. It is attitude that controls it all; yet attitude is the thing upon which the left prays in order to expand on its power and its egalitarian philosophy.

It is a tragedy that our own people are taught that there's no need in participating in our system and that they should only seek to take what others have earned; while people who live in real caste societies where there is no such opportunity line up by the millions to get into ours.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 10:55

Ben Dover..........Ummm Brrrk Captain Nemo Gdiafante do not want to read your treatise on how the world works they want "free stuff".

These are the people who would elect Attila the Hun if he said that BEN DOVER and RASPUTIN72 did not deserve the rewards that we worked and sacrificed for.

I carried a paper route in college and worked in the brine room of an ice cream factory to pur myself through college. I said yes sir to every person that had any superior position to mine after college. If they needed someone to work overtime or on Sunday I volunteered so that th yes sir people would hold me in good favor. Inch by inch I was given more opportunity. I made it work. When I started my business using the knowledge that I had gained I went 17 years without more than 3 days of vacation. It was not until my 46th year that the hard work and sacrifice started to pay off.

The Ummms Brrrrk Gdiafante and Captain Nemos are however today of a different culture. There are enough of them to elect a President of the United States. I have had my time and it has been a wonderful ride...It is their time and I don't expect much from them.

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 11:06

The right would have us all believe that if big business does good than we all do good, and in particular if the company you work for does good, you'll do good.

Last year Caterpillar made a record profit (not revenue, profit) of 4.9 Billion and how did they reward the workers that helped them get there? They rewarded them by demanding that the workers take a six-year wage freeze, pension freeze and contribute almost an additional 2000 from their wages towards health care benefits.... all the while increasing their CEO's salary by 16%. Look out Caterpillar workers, the company is expected to surpass last years profits this year, so there's no telling what they'll expect you to give up next.

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 11:08

Ben and Rasp, two peas in a pod.....

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I....................

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 11:20

Here's what people like Ben and Rasp are loathe to acknowledge..... why? Because doing so would mean they aren't as "special" as they think they are.

"People really don’t like to hear success explained away as luck — especially successful people. As they age, and succeed, people feel their success was somehow inevitable. They don’t want to acknowledge the role played by accident in their lives. There is a reason for this: the world does not want to acknowledge it either."

"Life’s outcomes, while not entirely random, have a huge amount of luck baked into them. Above all, recognize that if you have had success, you have also had luck — and with luck comes obligation. You owe a debt, and not just to your Gods. You owe a debt to the unlucky."

Both quotes from “Moneyball” author Michael Lewis... a man who probably has more money than Rasp and Ben put together.

By: slacker on 7/27/12 at 11:52

brrrrk, I agree with you to a point. Someone born attractive, and highly intelligent, is lucky.. they won the gene lottery. They do have a starting advantage over an unattractive, not so bright person.
Of course education, ambition and drive factor in, or you may inherit Dad's successful business. People are not born equal.
Its Darwinism, you hustle best you can, and eventually die.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 12:02

Wealth, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. For the common working man today, it looks like sports are the way to go. And with some of the contracts I've heard about, they could retire after only one season.

But the making of money also takes a brain, not just an urge. And you must know how to use it.

I've also read of quite a number of those men who were broke the day they left the sport. Why? Because they only knew how to spend it. And mostly waste it.

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 12:09

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 9:49
...reality is a beer, a joint, a porno film, some free stuff, or sleeping till 2 p.m. and then hittig the bars again by 4 p.m. Not really worth wasting words on.

TMI, Bud. Keep what you and yogi do together to yourself.

G, I was describing ya'll in that sentence. I don't do beer, porno, pot or get free stuff and I never sleep till noon. That's all ya'll!

Ha, ha,

Hey yogi, I think bfra might have gotten stung today!

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 12:11

slacker said

"brrrrk, I agree with you to a point. Someone born attractive, and highly intelligent, is lucky.. they won the gene lottery. They do have a starting advantage over an unattractive, not so bright person.
Of course education, ambition and drive factor in, or you may inherit Dad's successful business. People are not born equal.
Its Darwinism, you hustle best you can, and eventually die."

I don't disagree, but what I see that I find most disturbing is the fact that there are people (the lucky, if you will), who blindly relish in their luck; failing to admit that it has even been just one of the smallest of factors in their success, while at the same time wishing to punish those on the other end of the luck spectrum. Look, I'm not saying that people don't deserve the benefits of their hard work... far from it. But what I am saying is that all the benefits that people get are never solely dependent upon their hard work and only their hard work.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 12:13

Does anyone know why Obama sold 60 billion dollars worth of firearms to Muslims when Congress was in recess? Check it out on

www.nowtheendbegins.com/washington-update.htm

By: BenDover on 7/27/12 at 12:20

Brrrrk while you are correct in saying that the world isn't 100% fair... what you don't acknowledge is how utterly destructive it is, in this country, for us to focus on that instead of the wholly available path to persevere over whatever innate 'unfairness' we might encounter.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 12:30

By: gdiafante on 7/27/12 at 9:49
...reality is a beer, a joint, a porno film, some free stuff, or sleeping till 2 p.m. and then hittig the bars again by 4 p.m. Not really worth wasting words on.
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That's probably why bud can't get a job and if she does, she can't keep it! Maybe yogi will hire her to hold his gun.....:-)

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:37

Well, bud didn't make it as an unlicensed massage therapist trying to use another company's name to get business and she hasn't faired too well with her frivilous lawsuits. She's mad at the "welfare" people because her "get free stuff" schemes didn't pan out.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 12:42

Bud & yogi are for ever going to sue somebody, or yogi going to shoot somebody. My bet, if you said boo to their face they would run faster than a roadrunner.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:43

Plans to go ahead with the package, which has been under secret negotiation since 2007, have been known for some time and have raised angry objections from Iran and to a lesser extent from Israel, an even closer US ally which is anxious to maintain its strategic edge over any potential adversary in the Middle East.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/13/us-saudi-arabia-arms-deal

Geez, yogi - those negotiations started taking place under Bush, you know the Saudi's are his best buddies.

Another day another lie, huh yogi? Idiot.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 12:43

I forgot to add BEEP BEEP!

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:43

What a couple of numbnuts.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 12:44

Amen!

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:44

I guess it's OK for Bush to sell weapons to Muslims but not Obama.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:45

OK, have a great weekend, folks. The stupidity on the board is too overwhelming today. It must be Fringe Friday.

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 12:47

BenDover said

"Brrrrk while you are correct in saying that the world isn't 100% fair... what you don't acknowledge is how utterly destructive it is, in this country, for us to focus on that instead of the wholly available path to persevere over whatever innate 'unfairness' we might encounter."

Ben, we now have a situation where the "lucky" are fixing the game and removing/limiting access to that "available path".

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 12:53

Beernazi - Have a great week-end & stay safe!

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:55

Watch out for the dueling idiots, bfra!

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 1:20

Excuse me, Beernazi,

We must read differently. When did Bush start selling weapons to Saudi Arabia? The article in your post is titled; "Barack Obama to authorize a record 60 billion Saudi arms sell".

Did Bush give him the OK for that sale? Where does Bush fit in that picture?

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 1:23

But OK, you don't like that, try this one:

www.hawaiireporter.com/gov-neil-abercrombe-has-utterly-failed-to-prove-obama-was-born-in-hawaii/

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 1:32

"The older generation almost always fails to understand the younger one - they think their own immutable values the only ones.... And so the older generation barks like a dog at what they don't understand" - Leo Tolstoy

Remind you of anyone here..............

By: seeworthy on 7/27/12 at 1:55

Re: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 1:20 , who wrote:

"Excuse me, Beernazi,
We must read differently. When did Bush start selling weapons to Saudi Arabia? The article in your post is titled; "Barack Obama to authorize a record 60 billion Saudi arms sell. Did Bush give him the OK for that sale? Where does Bush fit in that picture?"

Yogi, please re-read this part ...

"Plans to go ahead with the package, which has been under secret negotiation since 2007, have been known for some time."

... and reflect on who the president was in 2007.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/27/12 at 2:01

Brrrk....Leo Tolstoy was one of my favorite anarchist. He is also reputed to having said "The truth is that the state is a conspiracy designed to not only exploit,but to corrupt its citizens.

His teachers at Kazan University described him as "both unable and unwilling to learn."

By: budlight on 7/27/12 at 3:07

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 12:37
Well, bud didn't make it as an unlicensed massage therapist trying to use another company's name to get business and she hasn't faired too well with her frivilous lawsuits. She's mad at the "welfare" people because her "get free stuff" schemes didn't pan out.
By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 12:42
Bud & yogi are for ever going to sue somebody, or yogi going to shoot somebody. My bet, if you said boo to their face they would run faster than a roadrunner.

Well, Beer, guess you don't have the privilege of reviewing my tax returns for 06 through 11. now do you? Oh, I'd say my tax returns speak for my success. And regarding lawsuits, you're not an expert on that either. I don't plan on suing anyone except the two of you for slander.

Becky, becky mo mecky, banana fanna fo fecky, fee, fi, moe mecky - Becky!

OK, Yogi. I have had all the fun I can stand for one day. Going to try and round up some free stuff. By the way, our garden was planted primarily so the deer, squirrels and other critters in my backyard could eat. lack of water has them eating all the fresh fruits and veggies they can get. Ate all my neighbor's tomatoes, my tomatoes, green beans and what ever they wanted. BUT the good news is they don't like bell peppers, banana peppers, or zucchini. I'm cooking zucchini bread today.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 3:17

brrrrk,

In answer to your 1:32 post; yeah, you.

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 3:21

Hey, who was president in 2007?

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 3:32

bud - Again, be sure to spell my name correctly in your law suit. I might even ask Lois to testify as to your insanity. (G)

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 3:32

.A little note for all of you Obama lovers:

Info shows 56 million people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century.

The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929 and from 1929 to 1953 approximately 20 million dissidents were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917 1.5 million Armenians were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1938, Germany establish gun control and from 1939 to 1945 13 million jews and others were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1964, Guatemala established gun control and from 1964 to 1981 100,000 Mayan Indians were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1970, Uganda established gun control and from 1971 to 1979 300,000 Christians were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1956 Cambodia established gun control and from 1975 to 1977 one million educated people were rounded up and exterminated

How did this happen? Because those people who were exterminated were unable to defend themselves.

If Barack Obama succeeds in gaining gun control, how many will he have exterminated for not being one of his followers?

By: slacker on 7/27/12 at 3:34

nazi.. gimme something harder than that..
Who invented barbwire?

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 3:35

yogi changes the subject when he knows he's been caught repeating crap that isn't true. He really should give reading comprehension a try.

bfra, yogi wants a duel and bud wants a lawsuit. In other words, same old same old. LOL

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 3:35

slacker, that one is easy. Barb Wire invented it, of course.

By: slacker on 7/27/12 at 3:37

Damn.. foiled again.

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 3:38

bfra said

"bud - Again, be sure to spell my name correctly in your law suit. I might even ask Lois to testify as to your insanity. (G)"

I'll testify, I know people that have worked with bud. Trust me, she's bat crap crazy....

By: Beernazi on 7/27/12 at 3:42

For some reason I find that easy to believe, brrrk.

By: bfra on 7/27/12 at 3:43

brrrrk - That is obvious from her comments. There has to be something wrong with someone that has had so many jobs, just going by what she has put on this board, and can't keep one.

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 3:43

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."

So where do we stand today? True patriotism has been flushed down the commode over the last few years. Just look at the people at public events. Spirituality and Morality have been flushed down with Patriotism through highlighting homosexuality.

Is the USA ready to be eliminated?

By: brrrrk on 7/27/12 at 3:44

Former RPOF chair Jim Greer lashes out at Republican party leaders

"Greer said some GOP leaders were meeting to discuss ways they could suppress black votes while others were constantly scheming against each other."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/24/2912514/former-rpof-chair-jim-greer-lashes.html#storylink=cpy

By: yogiman on 7/27/12 at 3:52

Won't both parties use any gimmick they can to get more votes, brrrrk?

I can see most State and Local politicians can be honest people because they aren't going to gain the benefits they will give to themselves at the national level.

But can you imagine what kind of local politicians we could have all over this nation if the state and locals could set their own benefits and live with the people they say they're representing like the national legislature?