Up for Debate: Police fight gang with civil suit

Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 12:20am

Metro legal and the police department hope to use a civil suit to obtain a court-ordered injunction against the Kurdish Pride gang and its most active members. Do you believe such a tactic could work? Do you agree with the use of civil suits against gang members, or any group of people? Do you worry that the use of such legal tools could lead to an infringement of civil rights, such as the right to associate with others and right to due process?    

75 Comments on this post:

By: Ummm... on 6/6/12 at 5:39

My understanding is that in order to grant the requested injunction, the court must be convinced that the "gang" is "engaged in criminal activity." Seems to me if that can be proved, then they should be able to make some arrests, right? And putting perps in jail has a much greater effect on criminal activity than making them meet somewhere else.

By: dargent7 on 6/6/12 at 6:08

A court injunction stopping them from meeting in a playground will just make them congregate elsewhere. Like a McDonalds.
Put a tail on the leaders and pull them over. Many probably don't have a driver liscense or insurance. Or have an outstanding warrant.
Ticket and arrest them one by one. Let them pump iron and get more tats in jail.
Their grafitti alone is a crime against society.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 6:42

Better they hang out at McDonald's...they might eat the food, which will solve the problem ultimately.

Now if they start hanging out at the Chick-fil-A playground...that's a problem...right Rasp?

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 6:58

The thresholds of evidence are much lower in a civil suit than in a criminal suit.

Just like OJ.

By: BigPapa on 6/6/12 at 7:12

Changing the subject, but how bout that Scott Walker in WI??

By: Ummm... on 6/6/12 at 7:22

BigPapa, thanks to the Repub. Supreme Court and its Citizens United decision, the lackeys of the oligarchy- like Scott Walker -can now rely on the Koch bothers and other 1%ers to buy elections for them. Thanks to all their money, Walker had an 8 to 1 spending edge over his challenger- not much of a surprise that he won.

By: Ummm... on 6/6/12 at 7:23

S/H/B "Koch brothers" not "bothers" (Freudian slip).

By: slacker on 6/6/12 at 7:32

Seems to me, Tennessee's new state ''Rico'' law, would be more effective against these gangs. This injunction business will invite a counter law suit from some civil rights group, which will probably lead to monetary compensation to gang members.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 7:36

Any weapon that forces the underclass to their knees is music to my ears. Obama however feels much differently than I. He needs these votes in order to bring a Kurdish tattooed gang member the same income as those with earned income.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 7:41

Waaaaa....waaaaa....the barbarians are at the gate...waaaah...

-Rasputin72

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 7:42

I live in a democracy where 99% of the residents think they are being held hostage by 1% of the people. I remember this as a child and decided that with this kind of power all I wanted was to be a part of the 1%. I sacrificed more than I ever want to look back upon but the trip was worth the sacrifice. There is nothing that equals good health and financial independence.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 7:44

I think you're as FOS as yogi, Raspy. If you're sincere, you're the dumbest SOB in the state.

But what do I know, I'm just a 99%er...

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 7:46

You are quite the charmer there Raspy. Maybe you and ghost7 could get together for some kurd-skull soup. I hear the women and children are easier to subdue.

By: bfra on 6/6/12 at 7:47

gdiafante - Double Amen!

By: slacker on 6/6/12 at 7:51

I'm getting an injunction against that arsehole (you know who you are) that cut me off in traffic on Harding road yesterday.
Gonna relocate the Putz to Antioch.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 7:52

You know slacker, after spending a week in the midwest...where no one speeds, cuts you off or even knows what to do when you give them the finger, it's nice to be home...

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 7:55

My vote of worst place to drive goes to Ft. Myers. I'd have to quadruple my BP medicine if I moved there.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 7:57

gdiafante............Why would you not think that someone like me was the dumbest SOB in the state? You probably have not had much experience and dialogue with the 1%.

Had I not grew up with people who are dependent upon free stuff to accent their lack of skills I would have not known that there were significant differences in everything from manners,value systems,work ethic and even the way they dress and look.

By: slacker on 6/6/12 at 8:02

Sounds like Rasp is wearing his ''Members Only'' jacket today.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 8:02

I had a high school friend that worked hard all his life and managed to retire to a small condo in Ft. Myers I drove over last winter from Palm Beach to see him. I enjoyed Ft.Myers and Sanibel and Captiva but never in my life from LA to NYC have I encountered such traffic snarls in my lfe.

By: bfra on 6/6/12 at 8:05

Rasputon72 - Most people can smell a fake and your comments reek worse than yogi's.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 8:06

SLACKER.......With LONER on sabbatical and Yogi not making a morning appearance someone had to light the fires of dissension. What would this forum be if there were a group of people prone to consensus?

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 8:08

BFRA.........Have you ever touched and felt and examined a ROLEX? Without that knowledge you might have trouble ascertaining the difference.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 8:11

Any bets that Raspy is a man-servant to a 1%er...lol

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 8:15

Any bets that gdiafante is solidly entrenched in two things. (1) class envy and (2) solidly entrenched for life in the lower half of the 99%.

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 8:21

Raspy... the elites took it in the knee-caps last night. It's been decades since public workers exchanged salary for security and benefits.

Public sector salaries are now substantially higher than comparable private sector workers whose taxes pay for them. They have civil service protections so they can't be fired for slacking and judged on performance; and they have fully paid defined benefit pensions and healthcare at the end of 20 years of service at 55 yo.

It was time they were taken down a notch before the great Grey Poupon scarcity arises... don't you agree?

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 8:21

Class envy? No, I'm not the one who whines on here daily about how you'd like to scrape the underclass off your shoes before teatime. Like I said, you're FOS.

And to quote an Oliver Stone movie, I don't judge a man based on the size of his wallet. If you do, you are more flawed than your ego will admit.

By: yogiman on 6/6/12 at 8:23

Good question, gdiafarte. What do you know?

By: yogiman on 6/6/12 at 8:26

gdiafarte,

If they're so nice, why are you giving them the finger? Just showing them your mental attitude?

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 8:26

Public sector salaries are now substantially higher than comparable private sector workers whose taxes pay for them.

You must mean the upper echelon, such as commissioners, directors, etc. I have yet to meet the average government worker who's wealthy.

Here's what all this boils down to...the private sector refuses to engage in pensions, which is why you have a 401K. They see the government workers pensions and don't like it. Why? Because of that spreads, they might have to actually pay workers instead of f*cking them over, which is bad business.

The genius is that they've convinced the average worker that it's in their best interest to have a 401K instead of a solid, reliable pension. After all, if they had to pay pensions, how would they be able to afford those golden parachutes to idiot CEO's?

And they say this country isn't stupid...pfft!

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 8:26

Shut your hole, retard, and let the adults talk.

By: yogiman on 6/6/12 at 8:29

bfra,

If you have such a nose, why can't you smell the communism in Barry Soetoro?

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 8:35

No reasonable institution or organization is doing defined benefit pensions or healthcare anymore. Those were foolish, kick-the-can promises that failed to account for real-world demographics. If we keep making the same untenable promises to our next generation of public sector workers we destined to complete economic collapse at every level of government.

By: yogiman on 6/6/12 at 8:38

gdiafarte,

In your 9:26 post, did you mean, "Because Of that spread" or "Because IF that spreads"?

I couldn't figure it out.

By: BigPapa on 6/6/12 at 8:40

gd
Just your statements about pensions shows the difference between a conservative mind and a libtard. You see the pension a right, something owed to you. A conservative would say if you dont like the benefits offered by this job GTFO. Nobody MAKES someone work as a teacher, or fireman or police-it's their choice.

Pensions aren't around any more not because of some conspiracy, but because they don't work, they're unsustainable and very very bad business.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 8:48

The pension isn't a right, it's a benefit, papa, get right dumbass.

By: yogiman on 6/6/12 at 8:50

BigPapa,

Retirement programs haven't been in our society for quite sometime now. They originated when business owners needed good employees and it was a good advantage for someone to go to work for a business that offered a good retirement plan.

Because the manufacturing businesses have moved overseas (thanks to our government) leaving so many people out of work, many will take any job they can get.

Basically, in today's time, the only jobs in the US are in maintenance, service and sales with no company retirement program.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 8:52

No, Papa, a Conservative sees someone else enjoying a benefit that they don't have and thinks that if they can't have one, neither should anyone else.

A Liberal sees the Conservative for what they are: f*cking morons.

By: bfra on 6/6/12 at 8:57

By: Rasputin72 on 6/6/12 at 9:08

BFRA.........Have you ever touched and felt and examined a ROLEX? Without that knowledge you might have trouble ascertaining the difference.
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Have and gave it to my daughter, I wear a Cartier, if any at all. Much nicer!

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 8:59

No the conservative sees these public sectors workers living in an unsustainable fantasy world where promises are being made to them that our coming generations will not be able to keep.

The promises we've already made need to be kept; but to continue to engage in this politically convenient escapade of destroying our grand-children's future is ludicrous. Not only is it destructive to their future but it promises to bankrupt the system upon which our existing public service workers have made all of their plans and aspirations.

By: brrrrk on 6/6/12 at 9:02

Rasputin72 said

"Any weapon that forces the underclass to their knees is music to my ears."

Got news for you Rasp..... you live and die just like everyone else on this planet.

By: bfra on 6/6/12 at 9:05

By: yogiman on 6/6/12 at 9:29

bfra,

If you have such a nose, why can't you smell the communism in Barry Soetoro?
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I can smell your BS from miles away!

By: brrrrk on 6/6/12 at 9:07

'If they would rather die,' said Rasp, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.'

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 9:07

The system won't be bankrupted by pensions. It's ironic that of all the spending that you complain about, taking care of citizens that worked in the public sector (evil bastards, right?) is the least of our worries.

Talk about envy...Republicans have been burned by union support of the Dems for years, so now they have Citizen United, and watch them go. I see this more as the retribution of child-like politicians than some higher calling for fiscal security.

That's why you're FOS.

By: BenDover on 6/6/12 at 9:09

They are having a problem finding a jury of Jerry Sandusky's peers. It seems Dennis Rader, Gary Glitter and Micheal Jackson were unavailable to serve.

By: BigPapa on 6/6/12 at 9:11

So you agree the pension is a benefit, not something owed to you. So, that being the case if you dont like the way the fact that the pension is either no longer offered, or you are being required to fund a greater portion of it, you have the option of: a) leaving your employer to find a place that does pay a pension. b) funding a 401k that you are responsible for.

A conservative doesnt care about a private business giving out pensions (well until that buiness starts to go under due it's stupidity then comes begging for public money)

Libs see someone make something and get jealous and decide that it has to be a conspiracy against them, then complain when the person that worked doesn't give them "their fair share."
Liberal= something that thinks the other guy isn't paying enough in taxes.

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 9:11

Ooops...

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3372

By: gdiafante on 6/6/12 at 9:13

You keep living in your delusions, papa. Meanwhile, back in the real world...

By: BigPapa on 6/6/12 at 9:16

"You keep living in your delusions, papa. Meanwhile, back in the real world.."

Oh such a witty and detailed retort... I'm calling this in my favor.

By: slacker on 6/6/12 at 9:18

Ben, Sandusky said he was just kidding around.