Up for Debate: Political positioning

Monday, February 18, 2013 at 2:15am

How do you feel about politicians using controversial bills to position themselves for a higher office, as appears to be the case of state Sen. Jim Tracy?

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By: Ask01 on 2/18/13 at 5:15

The fact a politician champions a cause they know will be divisive just to garner publicity should offer some insight into a flawed character.

Showing a propensity and willingness to drive wedges and generate animosity does not bode well if the person should actually gain higher office.

Having said that, if the electorate actually installs that person in office, what does that say about the voters?

By: govskeptic on 2/18/13 at 6:22

All kinds of Politicos have pulled these stunts for years. It happens in Sheriff races,
not with bills, but proposals to the governing agencies for publicity and bills that
are self-serving for election or re-election for many decades. After all, State
Representative is only 1 step up from Sheriff and State Senator 2 steps.

Sadly this type action works because we have so many voters and will take a
position on one issue or another to decide a better candidate. Totality means
nothing compare to Motherhood and Apple pie.

By: yogiman on 2/18/13 at 6:32

I'd say that calls the voters ignorant, Ask01. Who, in this nation, even knew the man's name when they voted for him as President of this nation? How many of them even know his legal name today? None. Why not? Because he has never made in known he has changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama. Nor has he ever made in known he changed his citizenship from Indonesian to American.

So, I then ask: Why did anyone vote for some to become their president who refused to identify himself?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 6:38

I agree with both Ask01 and govskeptic. Cheap shoots are common among politicians of low standards.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 6:45

Shut up yogi you have proved yourself to be an idiot.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 3:13
dumba$$, you couldn't even pass a spelling test, let alone a test of intelligence.

Want to try one? Check on google or bing and take a test.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/26/13 at 3:33
I took the test yogi and a made a 100.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 7:30
I feel so humiliated, dumba$$, to get beat by an idiot as ignorant as you.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/26/13 at 9:53
That makes you the dumbest dumb ass…yogi.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 7:19

Good morning, Nashville.

Thank you, NCP Editors, for the fresh litter box this Monday morning.

This Jim Tracy character is just another born-again theocrat trying to shove his values down everyone else's throat...a typical, hypocritical,l Southern Tea Bagger. Nothing new about that...what's new is that this jerk is trying to go to the right of Scott DesJarlais, the gun-in-mouth US Rep from TN and extremist Tea Bagger.

If men bore the children, not the women, Jim Tracy would be saluting those men who had the courage and temerity to undergo an abortion, instead of trying to roll back their rights and freedoms. This guy is a male chauvinist pig...I suggest that the voters skewer him and roast this fattened pig of a politician.

As a born-again Jesus freak, JimTracy supports the state of Israel at every level. Tracy has never said a single word about US taxpayers paying for 50,000 Israeli abortions every year in their US-supported health care delivery system. Why the silence, Jim?

These right-to-lifers ought to be demanding that US aid to Israel be pulled, because of their high abortion rate and government sponsorship of abortion clinics...but no, these born-again US politicians would rather restrict American women's rights, not those of the female Chosen People in the Promised Land.....Go figure.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 7:31

How about a law that requires all men who wish to have a vasectomy go through a series of governmental barricades to the procedure?

The men would have to look at their own live sperm under a microscope and then wait a week or so before being allowed to proceed to the next barricade...watching films that claim that "every sperm is sacred". etc. Finally, passages from the Jewish Bible about "spilling one's seed upon the ground" would be discussed in depth....the men would have to sign papers that they saw the live sperm, heard the Gospel and read the OT passages etc. then wait another couple of weeks before undergoing the operation which would include paying a hefty state surcharge for the procedure.....as an added disincentive.

Men would never stand for that sort of thing....but the women are supposed to knuckle under and comply.....sorry, those days are over, Jim.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 7:48

Actually, in the Coonskin Cap state, the days of domination by chauvinistic white males may not be over....apparently, the women in the Volunteer State are still living under male subjugation.....many born-again, Southern women seem to prefer the comfort , or is it simply the laziness, of letting "the men" make all the big decisions in their lives....docile handmaidens, not quite fully grown-up enough to make their own decisions....some ladies prefer that role, or so it seems.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 7:52

I can see a time when someone from the fringe right will construct a bill that will only sanction breeding of persons that would enhance a race of bio-automaton.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 7:59

Sounds like an idea the godless lefties would support, Cap'n....soul-less hybrids sounds un-Christlike...the right is Christ-centered. Bio-automatons sounds like the work of the anti-Christ....in other words, the Democratic Party. Christ loathed an automaton, we know that....that, we know.....Oy!

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:01

Loner - As you do not live here & have no way of knowing what women of this State are capable of, your discription is moot. I assure you, of the women I know, they are very strong willed & not dominated by men. If fact, in most of your description of TN you are wrong. I'll take TN over NY, anytime!

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 8:13

That is true, bfra. My daughter was raise to be an independent thinker. She even can chance the oil in her car.

Now my first wife sounds something like what Loner described.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 8:16

Thank you, dead Presidents, for the Monday holiday.....had to get that out of the way....George Washington warned us about cuddling up with theocracies....nobody listened....Abe Lincoln thought he could beat the South into rationality, reform and repentance; sadly, people listened to him.

Worst POTUS ever? I'd put LBJ, Nixon and George Bush Jr. down as contenders....Harry Truman too.

Best ever? Washington, Jefferson, Wilson and FDR. I included Jefferson, because he had the smarts to make the Louisiana Purchase...according to Wiki, the land cost the US 3 cents per acre in 1803...in 2012 terms, the equivalent of 42 cents per acre. Fifteen states were carved out of the greatest land bargain in history.....credit Thomas Jefferson for that....or, if you love the French, blame Napoleon Bonaparte for being so stupid.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:17

Nemo - I have never called him on it before, but Loner has a lot of wrong ideas about this State, not to mention he seems to overlook all the corruption in his own State. No matter what State, politicians are corrupt, with a capital C.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 8:27

Bfra, I wrote: "...many born-again, Southern women seem to prefer the comfort , or is it simply the laziness, of letting "the men" make all the big decisions in their lives....docile handmaidens, not quite fully grown-up enough to make their own decisions....some ladies prefer that role, or so it seems. (Emphasis added for clarity).

This is my opinion, Bfra, based upon years of observation of TN, from a distance...looking at the forest, not individual trees. I read the NCP every day.

The way that women's rights are trampled upon in the South in general, leads me to believe that the majority of the women living there are content with the status quo...I do not see large protests by organized womens groups in TN, or other Southern states, fighting for their civil liberties and human rights.

Usually, silence in the face of oppression indicates acquiescence...or tacit approval...am I wrong on that too?

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 8:29

"Wrong ideas", eh? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 8:31

bfra, I don’t blame Loner for not thinking about women of the south the way he does. If you read post of budlight and yogiman he can’t help but think that. So the next time he comes this way, will we have to introduce him to a variety of women folk in Nashville.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:32

Loner - Having lived in this State, all my life, I have never seen the need for the protest you speak of. I am not being denied any rights because I am female . If you know of any oppression, please let me know, so I can organize this big protest you think we need.

By: slacker on 2/18/13 at 8:32

Loner... those coonskin hats we Tennessean's wear.. are actually live, trained coon's.
On the command of ''up''.. they leap upon the wearers head, and assume a ball position. The command to remove your trained hat is ''leave''.
Every respectable Tennessean has a coon rack in their hallway.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/18/13 at 8:34

I can remember a political science teacher in college stating that more people and more diversity in this country would lead to the need for more and more and more laws. This in turn would lead to the country coming to a crossroads as far as democracy is concerned. At the time it was just more intellectual rhetoric by a professor.

As I look back upon that thought that was buried in the back of my mind, it turns out that the professor may have espoused a very profound prophecy.

What we have here now is a disgruntled old hippie with unrealized goals bringing his evangelism all the way to the hills of middle Tennessee from the finger lakes of New York.His sermonettes reach only about 13 to 20 people but the message is clear and concise. There are a lot of social and political issues that cannot lay dormant in this country for much longer. Every year the list of issues gets longer and the fires of the existing issues get a little warmer.

Neither the middle class,the underclass or the upperclass will be exempted from the implosion that ultimately will occur. It is not the issues but how this country will handle the implosion that will define whether or not this republic will stand.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:35

Oh please, do not base anything about the South on anything yogi, bud or Raspy has to say! A bunch of complaining losers that have no ideas worth reading.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 8:35

12,368 abortions in Tennessee alone in 2011. Tragic.

This use of abortion as just another form of birth control is so sad.

There were 79,462 live births that year. For roughly every 79 babies born 12 are intentionally terminated. Thankfully (if you can phrase it like that) most abortions are very early in the process with 88% of abortions occurring in the first 12 weeks.

But that leaves 12% ... around 1,500 that are terminated at week 13 and later.

This is a web site for mothers to give them an idea how far along their baby is.


I encourage you to scan through the weeks of development and take a look at how that mass of cells develops; particularly 13 weeks and beyond.

As a liberal friend of mine once said, and I agree. "Hopefully no one is FOR abortion". I tend to agree with that sentiment except for all the sociopathic eugenicists you tend to find in higher education a lot these days. It's just a tragedy of society that we must recon with I guess.

I know many women who tremendously regret their decision to have their pregnancy terminated and are emotionally disturbed about the event decades after.

I don't think it's a decision society should take lightly. Counseling is now mandatory before we get married (which personally I don't think it's any of the state's damn business) but given that precedent counseling before such a traumatic and consequential decision could make a lot of sense too.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:39

Ben - Just how many women do you know that regrets having an abortion. Unless you are in that branch of the medical field, I find it odd that your would know 1, if that many.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 8:40

To clarify... when my friend said, "Hopefully no one is FOR abortion", the point was that hopefully no one celebrates it; though he sees legal abortion as unfortunate necessity in our society.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 8:40

First off old boy, your collage degree from a Caribbean Island is questionable. Second head is up your ass.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 8:42

Many was not the right choice of word, bfra. You are correct. I know 3 close friends who sincerely regret terminating their pregnancies.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 8:44

I hear that Raspy found a dead rat and wore it around the neighborhood telling everyone that it was a coonskin cap.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:47

I know many women who tremendously regret their decision to have their pregnancy terminated and are emotionally disturbed about the event decades after

Ben this doesn't say "my friend", it starts with "I". Thus the question. You have a tendency to exaggerate, overstate or misstate a lot. like your buddy yogi. Thus, the reason for asking, which didn't get answered.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 8:54

Re-read my response bfra. It is a complete capitulation to your point.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 8:58

My point was based on your comment! Which by your own admittance was misstated.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 9:02

Bfra, I did not mean to ruffle your plumage or insinuate that my state is better than your state. I merely commented on the topic of the day....I expressed my opinion...nothing personal.

Oh, the Empire State has its corruption too...and you all are welcome to critique the government of NY state and the people of NY too...please, be my guest.

Both of our US Senators are on the take to the special interests and our Governor is the Son-of-Mario....we have the Cuomo dynasty to contend with here....and Gov. Andrew Cuomo has his sights set on the POTUS job in 2016....you all may get a taste of dynastic democracy - New York style.

We are so gerrymandered that the only way to get rid of an incumbent is by way of sex scandal. And those are frequent and embarrassing.

We had US Rep Anthony Weiner's (sexting) scandal and that of NY Gov. Spitzer (prostitutes)...US Rep Chris Lee (Craigslist, shirtless) and US Eric Massa (tickling, gay)..all sex-related. Oh yeah, we got dirt...right here in the Empire State.

Then, we got a nanny state utopia in Bloombergia...I mean, New York City... a place that Mayor Bloomberg actually called, "the world's largest Jewish city" in full-page ads in the Jerusalem Post....I reckon that non-Jews in NYC are analogous to the stateless Arabs in the Occupied Territories, from Mayor Bloomberg's point of view....oh yeah, we got trouble...right here in New Amsterdam....Nannyism....and New World Zionism.

And we still have the draconian Rockefeller Drug Laws on the books...NY, contrary to public belief, is not a leftist, ultra-liberal haven for free thinkers....things tend to suck here too...just differently.

Our NY jails are also filled with people doing time for non-violent crimes...and our NY Family Court system is dysfunctional.

The cops in New York state are all driving big, bad, hemi-powered cruisers with Madd Max front bumpers...shotguns in every cruiser and they are hi-tech rolling PC stations....festooned with cameras and sensors...more cruisers now than ever before...yet NY's population is shrinking...go figure.

The fish in Lake Ontario and Lake Erie have too much heavy metal to be safely eaten...dead Great Lakes fish are a toxic waste. And now, we are fracking up our aquifer....to get the last bit of natural gas.

Go ahead, criticize the Empire State...we got it coming.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 9:02

BTW - Ben are you over weight? You huff & puff a lot.

By: slacker on 2/18/13 at 9:03

For you Loner


By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 9:03

I got back from Atlanta last night and the CDC. That is a big place.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/18/13 at 9:05

Hey Haw slacker.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 9:06

Loner - Yes, all States are pretty much into corruption. Nature & politics! Just wanted you to know, I don't know any whimpy women, like you described.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 9:08

What are you trying to say, bfra? In my mind there are many... buy when you asked me to clarify I can only think of 3 I know personally. I conceded immediately you are correct.

I personally know 3 women who have confided to me that they have had abortions. All of which have great regrets in the matter.

Do you wish to use this fragment to try to discredit the whole?

Are you one of those academic eugenicists who doesn't see it as a tragic necessity; but, instead, a feature of modern society?

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 9:12

Naw Ben - Just drawing your attention to your over exaggerations on just about every subject. What is a tragic necessity? There are different circumstances regarding every abortion. Not knowing those circumstances, I am not a judge.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 9:13

slacker - Great way to start Mon.! Like your choice.

By: slacker on 2/18/13 at 9:13

New Yorker.. walks into a dimly lit.. gay piano bar.. carrying an over-sized illegal beverage...

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 9:15

Certainly you would agree it would be the deranged individual, to be sure, that celebrated her number of abortions... maybe commemorating each with another tattoo in the way gang-thugs tattoo tear-drops for each new victim.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 9:18

Legal abortion, I believe, is a tragic necessity.

Using abortion as a form of birth control... particularly in the 2nd and 3rd trimester... is a horrible, horrible thing that a reasonable society should not celebrate at all.

By: slacker on 2/18/13 at 9:22

Best to leave abortion legal, and everybody tend to their own business.

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 9:22

Ben - Who is celebrating? Over exaggeration again! Use some logic about the matter. Unless you have turned out to be a woman, I don't think you really know what you are complaining or griping about.

By: Loner on 2/18/13 at 9:23

Ben, according to this site, some 50,000 abortions are performed every year, in govt-sponsored abortion clinics, in the state of Israel:


US right-to-lifers have used the Hyde Amendment, the Mexico City Policy and the Stupak–Pitts Amendment, to deny Us-funding for domestic abortions and to deny US-aid to nations with state-sponsored abortion clinics, everywhere on planet earth, except for the Jewish state...why is that?

Do we hate Jews so much that we fund the large-scale abortion of Jewish fetuses in Israel? Or is it that the Chosen People can do no wrong?

There is a deafening silence on this Israeli abortion issue....the Israel Lobby and the Helen Thomas effect help to explain the silence.....so, I'm blowing the whistle and throwing the flag....Unstatesmanlike Conduct....With Added Hypocrisy....Fifteen Yards!

By: bfra on 2/18/13 at 9:24

Ben your 9:15AM comment is sick!

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 9:26

Should it be the providence of society to discourage abortion since it is such a tragedy?

By: jvh2b on 2/18/13 at 9:29

I would say I don't understand the right wing logic in all this, but right wing logic is about as much of an oxymoron as one can find.

That being said...I would imagine that a fairly large % if the 12k aborted would have been to low income families. That being the case...thats THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE you are putting on govt welfare programs, and that many more people that you are pretty sure are gonna vote Democrat.

One would think you draconian mid-evil clowns would view it as just keeping another person off the govt teat and one less democrat to worry about.

But nooo...every life is precious...unless it's a criminal...and sure as hell don't ask you to pay for it.....

By: jvh2b on 2/18/13 at 9:35

And for the record...I don't think you'll find anyone disagreeing with you Ben on 2nd and 3rd trimester aboritions...which last I checked...aren't happening.

And 12k in TN...given the amount of sex that goes on in this state on a daily basis...I'd say it's pretty clear that the majority of people aren't using it as a form of birth control...if that was the case I would say the # would eaily be doubled.

By: BenDover on 2/18/13 at 9:35

I think I prefer to focus on what we can do to discourage a portion of the 1.2 Million abortions that happen in the US every year rather than use it as a wedge issue to assure the Arab states that actively persecute people for their religious views wash over and annihilate Israel... one of the few countries in the region that share similar values to the rest of the civilized world.