Up for Debate: Pre-debating the VP debate

Thursday, October 11, 2012 at 1:23am

What do you expect from the vice presidential debate Thursday night? What might be the main talking points? What might be the weaknesses of each candidate? Who will "win"?

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134 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 4:25

I have no opinion of the debate, but will enjoy the predictions from the right-wing fringe.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 5:04

I have about as much interest in watching this debate as I would watching ants reproduce. But I do think it's crucial for Biden to win. If Ryan does, that would solidify the ongoing perception that our current administration is in over their head.

If Biden wins, maybe people think Obama should get a mulligan...

**queue the song Had a bad day**

But really, I don't care who wins. They all get the pants on fire label from me.

By: Ask01 on 10/11/12 at 5:07

Forget the debate, what about the uber rich 1%er who warned employees he will have to lay them off when President Obama is re-elected and he is forced to give up more money to the government?

OK, it's not exactly that dramatic, but he does make a point of telling how he will be forced to cut jobs to maintain his current income level if more taxes are levied upon his meager millions.

Nothing new, hiwever, as most any working person has deduced the high unemployment is the result of businesses creating a sour economy to punish working people for electing a Democrat, and worse, an African American Democrat.

Yeah, I played the race card first up as I'm off to work and you folks can fight it out.

See you when I return from actually working for a living and doing my bit for economic recovery.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 5:13

Yeah, I read that, ask. I don't believe in conspiracies, I believe in greed. Businesses want to squeeze blood from a turnip and employees are happily bending over and saying thank you sir, may I have another/.

Here's a hint: if your employer threatens your job in order to influence your vote, you may be better off working for someone else. Even in this economy, I would have to go Hank Jr. on him and spit some Beech Nut in that dude's eye.

By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 5:19

Unless Biden can just open his mouth and his wording comes out of it by a small, inserted tape player, Ryan will make him look like the fool he is.

By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 5:23

Until a president started sending jobs overseas, your idea would be a good one, gdiafanti, but jobs are too hard to come by today. I man is pretty much forced to take what he can get.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 5:47


By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 6:13

Good morning, Nashville.

Q: What do you expect from the vice presidential debate Thursday night?
A: A load of BS.

Q: What might be the main talking points?
A: Domestic and foreign policy.

Q: What might be the weaknesses of each candidate?
A: Biden is gaffe-prone; Ryan is perceived as a wonkish, Social-Security-hating, granny-starver.

Q: Who will "win"?
A: Another draw, IMO.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 6:16

You could argue that the Westgate email is equal to voter suppression. Though the dumbass denies his intent was influence how any employee votes, I'm not sure how that wouldn't.

Remember, this is the jackass what was building the largest home in the U.S., some 90k sq/ft monstrosity before the recession hit.


This is the epitome of hypocrisy...and exactly why a Romney administration is bad news for the middle class. The working class is expected to to take the hit so these wannabe aristocrats can live literally like kings. Ask them to take one for the country? Yeah right.

Let them eat cake.

By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 6:31

Since the moderator, Martha Raddatz, was once married to the son of Holocaust survivors, I'd say that the welfare of the Jewish state will be prominently featured....remember , ABC is owned by Disney....and Disney's head shed is very pro-Israel.

The question is, who can better suck up to Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud party....I think Biden has the edge on that, he is an old pro at that brown-nosing stuff.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/11/12 at 6:33

The debate is a moot point. Obama will be re-elected and small business employees will be laid off to a small degree and wages and benefits will be reduced to a large degree.

Business is about taking risks and making a profit for yourself. It is not about creating a social services and welfare organization.

If a small business has a gpod working environment and stable employment they will have no problem getting new employees as the disgrunted are replaced or quit.

If I have to take a paycut through extra taxation to support the 47% plus the "simple six"then unfortunately so shall everyone else I touch.

It is a law of self preservation that will never be repealed.

If I have a product or service that can bear the brunt of a price increase that will be done also.

By: parnell3rd on 10/11/12 at 6:34

Another draw? They have not debated yet, or did I miss one? Oh, the Presidential debate was a draw? You have lost your mind. Well okay, no mind to loose. Everybody knows, including President Obama, he lost. He even admitted to losing.
All Mr. Ryan needs to do is stick with the facts, he wins.
It is amazing to me how you liberal's still cling to the propaganda that is put out by your side.
If Obama wins again, America is the Loser, you have to know this for a fact. Look at how he is leading us into WWIII in the middle east. Look at the record unemployment. Look at the facts, he is destroying our country.
Even Billionaire Democrate Steve Wynn will not invest money until Obama is gone.
Tell me, do you still have HOPE? That one day America will be just like Europe?

By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 6:40

I do believe that American employers are sandbagging; they are holding off on new hires, hoping to make the unemployment numbers go up, so as to make "BHO" look bad...if Willard miraculously wins the election, these same employers will start a hiring frenzy, to make Romney look good....the GOP lawmakers have been sandbagging for 4 years now; they too will suddenly get rejuvenated, if their guy gets in...otherwise, more gridlock for 4 more years, if that "black guy" gets re-elected.

By: Kosh III on 10/11/12 at 6:41

" and worse, an African American Democrat."

Now, now...you know no one, esp. white Southerners who cling to their treasonous traditions, cares whether or not the person in the White House is an uppity colored boy or not. (sarcasm alert)


Don't forget that the Disney family are Mormon. The Utah LDS believe that America is the new promised land and that we are the new chosen people.

By: Kosh III on 10/11/12 at 6:44

What's wrong with Europe? They are prosperous and healthy with the highest standard of living in the world. Europe includes our oldest and strongest friend and ally: France.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 6:45

Look at how he is leading us into WWIII in the middle east. Look at the record unemployment. Look at the facts, he is destroying our country.

You, sir, are confused. Just the other day you were whining that Obama wasn't agressive enough, now it's leading to Armageddon (if you're Christian, that's exactly where it's supposed to lead so STFU). You may want to check Romney's stance on Iran and his endorsement of a red line (which, again, points directly to the end times).

Unemployment has improved, much to your dismay I'm sure. Funny thing about elections, it causes somewhat normal people to root for bad things so their guy can get elected.

Looks like the housing crisis may have finally bottomed out too.


You'd think that an improving (though very slow) economy would be a good thing...

Don't be such a drama queen...Ben does that enough for everyone.

By: Kosh III on 10/11/12 at 6:47

"If I have to take a paycut through extra taxation to support the 47%"

Yes, you have to continue to support slackers like Boeing which has paid no federal income taxes since 2001.
Plus BofA, Verizon, Exxon, GE and other parasites who get huge welfare checks from the taxpayers and have not paid for several years.

By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 6:49

They may still have HOPE, parnell3rd, but they still don't have any sense by voting for someone whom they still don't know.

And I see where, because of the Obamacare system, the majority of small business employers will cut their employees work time to less that 30 hours per week. I guess that will create more jobs though, to cover the hours.

Is the US becoming a part time employment nation?

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 6:51


By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 6:52

That's right, Parnell, I scored the Obama-Romney debate as a draw....unlike FOX News, Limbaugh et al. I did not fault the president for not glowering and smirking at his opponent while his opponent had the floor....I based my scoring on the veracity of the debater's statements, not the shallow, superficial and irrelevant stuff.

Mitt was hopped up that night...mainlining Red Bull by the looks of his eyes....saucer-eyed and blinking like a stroboscope.....he did not dazzle us with brilliance, he attempted to baffle us with a torrent of bullshit.....I tell you, Willard was on something that night.

By: Ummm... on 10/11/12 at 7:00

I think it was Michael Kinsley who said, "A gaffe is when a politician accidently tells the truth." Joe Biden is prone to telling the truth, and he isn't the "crazy uncle" the right-wing media paints. I expect him to call young Mr. Ryan out on all his thoroughly unpopular budget schemes and win this debate handily (not that it will move the needle very much).

In other news, Tennessee's 4th district representative (Scott Dejarlais) is proving himself to be a shining example of Teapublican hypocrisy now that he has been shown to have encouraged one of his mistresses to have an abortion. Meanwhile, of course, he spouts his anti-abortion bs to satisfy the right-wing zealots who want to take a woman's right to choose away. These righties are so predictably moronic...

By: bfra on 10/11/12 at 7:02


By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 7:03

It's going to be interesting next month. With all of the questions being raised, will Obama be allowed on all state ballots without proof of eligibility? Will the Electoral College vote him back in office without affirmation of Constitutional eligibility..., and will the Senate approve their vote also without affirming his Constitutional eligibility?

Anyone who will so willingly vote for someone they have no idea who in the hell he is deserves what they get. The USA will have been kissed goodbye.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:05


I expect him to call young Mr. Ryan out on all his thoroughly unpopular budget schemes and win this debate handily (not that it will move the needle very much).

That's the same stuff I heard before the Presidential debate. How'd that turn out? Contrary to Loner's belief, Romney wiped the floor with Obama. And it's not only Fox who thinks so.

By: bfra on 10/11/12 at 7:05

Ummm - I have been reading about that, also. But the Teapublicans evidently like that ilk of a person, look what the vote & stand for.

By: bfra on 10/11/12 at 7:08


By: Ummm... on 10/11/12 at 7:08

Oh, and btw, Rasputin (the bigoted, morally bankrupt monk) thinks paying his fair share of taxes is a "pay cut" for him. What a patriotic guy.

By: parnell3rd on 10/11/12 at 7:10

Good for you Loner. I saw it differntly, but that what makes America great.
kosh III, am I missing the sarcasm? Europe is broke, no money. Well, America has bailed out Ireland twice and sent billion's of dollars to other European countries.
Yall have a great day! Time to drink more coffee and go to work!!! I love my job! Pres. Obama keeps me busy! more sarcasm!!!

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:12

This is the new reality, Ummm. Those who work for a living are expected to pay taxes. Those that are "job creators" should not (or substantially less).

"Job creators" (I use that term loosely), in order to get their way, will blackmail employees and the government. If you want jobs, lower my taxes...if you want to keep your job, vote for who I say..

This should infuriate everyone.

By: Ummm... on 10/11/12 at 7:13

gd, Joe Biden is a very different political animal than the president. Don't expect him to sit there calmly while Ryan repeatedly lies, the way Obama did with Romney.

bfra, the Teapublican zealots do apparently esteem hypocrisy as a character trait, and they outnumber the sane folks in most of Tennessee. Fortunately, the U.S. electorate as a whole isn't quite as stupid.

By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 7:17

Good point, Kosh, Mormons are very pro-Israel, as a general rule....they think that they are part of the Lost Tribes fantasy....Mormons are good at fantasy, hence Disney's success?

Willard Romney certainly lives in a fantastic world....he's the Crown Prince of Fantasy Land.

Ummm, that Dejarlais character is poster-boy material for the Tea Party. He has that shaved head, to give himself the look of a dominant male, appearances are everything. He is a MD who would take away a woman's right to choose...unless he had screwed and impregnated that woman....in that case, abortion would be indicated.

IMO, this creepy guy should lose his license to practice medicine, he is a sexual predator who used his position as a physician to get into the pants of his female patients....that's unethical, isn't it?

Dejarlais also claims to be a born-again Christian...apparently his Jesus was not an apolitical celibate pacifist....his Jesus was a war-mongering heterosexual stud.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:18

Ummm, did anyone think that Obama would roll over? Not even the Romney camp saw that one coming. Anything can happen. There are no sure bets in politics.

Let it play out. Both sides should be cautiously optimistic. But, I still say that if Ryan wins, the door is closing on Obama.

Maybe it should, who knows. I've always felt that he was no leader, and for him to come out and lay an egg and allow Romney to lie without calling him out, that's not very Presidential, IMO.

By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 7:32

Obama is "admitting "that he was beaten in the first debate....he is smart enough to know when to concede and go with the flow on an issue...there's a time to let it go.... and he also knows how to take advantage of the perceived defeat....how to squeeze a lemon and make lemonade....Obama won't brood about it and he will not make the same mistakes twice.

Bishop Romney is basking in the glow of victory...Obama is hunkering down....Obama needs to get Rahm Emanuel back, as his debating coach...but Rahm is busy.

Rahm knew how to get Obama's juices flowing. Rahm knows how to attack an opponent. Obama needs to get the fire in the belly... and then whip some Mormon @ss.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:45

He has no choice but to be contrite and acknowledge it, Loner. The entire country witnessed it. I can understand being surprised by Romney's aggressiveness...but after about five minutes, Obama should have adapted.

To play devil's advocate, if he can't think on his feet in something as arcane as a Presidential debate, what happens when the sh!t hits the fan? Should we now assume that his response to world and domestic crises has been largely the work of his cabinet/advisors, not him?

Should what was once considered silent, patient deliberation now be considered a lack of resolute response?

I think they're legitimate questions. To Obama, I would say prove me wrong.

This is exactly why Romney has pulled ahead in the polls. If his performance could illicit a response like this from a voter who was firmly in his corner, what do you think it's doing to the undecided?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 7:49


Loner I did not get a chance to say that the picture of you sitting and drinking some wine looks great the other day.

As for predicting the outcome of tonight’s debate, I can only see that at less one prophecy could be an outright fool maker and the others will either be right or wrong. Forecasting the future is a risky business.

By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 7:49

Have you Obama admirers ever noticed his wedding ring? One that he has worn for 30 years and used as a "wedding ring" when he married Michelle? Are you aware it is engraved with an Islamic emblem? Are you aware of it being worded "There is no God except Allah"?

So, is he a Christian or a Muslim, as he admitted in his interview with George Stephenopolus? by saying he thanked John McCain for not mentioning is Muslin faith?

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:50


By: slacker on 10/11/12 at 7:50

I predict that the small percentage of undecided voters (if there is any now) .. will be watching the Pittsburgh Steelers & the mighty Tennessee Titans debate.
Vegas has the Steelers winning the debate by over 6.

By: Loner on 10/11/12 at 7:51

As much as I have criticized out president, I cannot vote for the GOP alternative.

A vote for Bishop Romney and his sidekick is a vote for more holy war in the ME....the bishop and PM Netanyahu are old buddies. Romney went to Israel and held a fundraiser there...Sheldon Adelson was there. Willard has given Bibi the green light to strike Iran anytime that Bibi chooses....Romney told Bibi that the USA has his back, do what you gotta do.

Remember John Bolton...the white mustache guy? That Bush Administration neocon is now a big shot on Romney's team...imagine Bolton as Sec of State...Bombs Away!

If you liked Bush-Cheney and the neocons, then vote for Bishop Romney.

The SCOTUS is already tilting to the right....do we want the list to starboard to increase? If you want to restore balance in the SCOTUS, vote Obama.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 7:52

I don’t think one debate has shown us what Obama can or can't do. If he is a flop at the next one he is cooked and I will adjust to the next four years accordingly.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 7:53


By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:54

I disagree slacker, they'll be watching the four baseball games. Much more drama there. The Steelers game has been decided already.

I agree Loner, but he's making it harder and harder for me to like him. Either way, I'll be holding my nose in the voting booth.

By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 7:54

Sorry, gdiafante, Barry couldn't "react" to Romney because he didn't have his teleprompters handy and he was probably anxious to get out on his anniversary date.

By: gdiafante on 10/11/12 at 7:55


By: yogiman on 10/11/12 at 7:58

Excuse me, Loner, you condemn Romney for getting campaign money from Israel. Have you ever bothered to see where Obama is getting his money? It sure as hell ain't US allies.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 7:59

Nor can I Loner. There is no way I could vote for a Republican in these times.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 8:00


By: Captain Nemo on 10/11/12 at 8:02

Raspuitn do you know the last name of the person you called RAT?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/11/12 at 8:14


Good morning!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/11/12 at 8:15

How much do you want to bet the Junior is part of the 47%?